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More News And Links On Yesterday's Terrorist Attack
Ian Peon writes: "SF Gate has a short article on how the Internet "proved its mettle as a communications facilitator in a time of crisis." Kudos to all those who kept things running!"
An anonymous reader writes: "The who, what, and how are detailed in this Boston Herald story. The weapons were smuggled in the razor cases. And in order to get to the cockpit, they terrorized the stewardesses, killing a few in order to lure the pilot out. Once the pilot was out, they took control of the plane. They have identified a car driven by 5 arabs had flying instruction in arabic. The men have been traced back to different arab countries."
This WorldTribune.com story claims that Israeli intelligence reports favor the idea that the attacks may have had the backing of Saddam Hussein's Bagdhad government. According to a submission from UberOogie ,Osama bin Ladin denies involvement in the attacks. The claims, speculation and disclaimers will no doubt continue.
Connord D writes: "View the Survivor's Register Please, PLEASE go to the survivor registers, register that your looking for your family, tell your friends, pass the word around and identify those that have survived and those that are missing. Help worried families either confirm the fates of their loved ones so that they can mourn, or help them find those people that are missing." And Brian Mears, LAN Systems Operations Manager for Computer Sciences Corporation, writes: "I have created a forum on my website to allow families and friends of survivors to post messages and communicate with each other concerning this most tragic period." Here's the link: http://www.ntadmin.net/forum/.
It would be a godsend if the various survivor registries would pool their data, or if someone sets up a google-like search engine to reach all of them at once.
oo7 writes: "CNN has a stream of the first plane crash. If you'd like to download it you can from the videos section of this site; it has news updated as fast as I can and streams as fast as I can capture. Please forward any unknown news and links that you may have."
pKa writes: "The last image from WTCs 77th floor webcam is available on a few sites around the net. The original WCTA.org cam-site is dead, but available in Googles cache, where you can see the dark screen (camera already dead, most likely) at 09:52:52, 09/11/01 - just before the buildings crashed. Article (in norwegian) with screenshots available here" The stream of concern that yesterday's events will lead to an illiberal attitude toward privacy is growing into a torrent: vena writes: "CNN reported on television broadcast earlier today that the NSA was now going through volumes of recorded cellular calls for calls made by passengers on the planes. Clear admission."
GothChip writes: "Ananova are reporting that just hours after the terrorist attack on New York, the FBI started approaching ISPs asking for help in installing Carnivore."
mkelley writes: "This is only the beginning folks...looks like the internet is going to be blamed for this...Wired has a story that is sure to cause panic. This is going to be the goverment's way to push wiretapping into your email and web surfing. In this time of crisis, people in high places are going to use this to get their agenda through. "Blame the Internet" is going to be the rallying cry for everything ..." If you're interested in the details of the planes the terrorists chose, a Semi-Anonymous Coward writes: "American Airlines flight 77 confirmed down, crashed into the Pentagon, Washington DC. Flight 77 (Dulles to Los Angeles) is scheduled as a Boeing 757-200:
Boeing 757-200 data and history:
American Airlines Boeing 757-200 photos:
- American Airlines flight 11 confirmed down, crashed into World Trade Center New York. Flight 11 (Boston to Los Angeles) is scheduled as a Boeing 767-200:
- Boeing 767-200 data and history
- American Airlines Boeing 767-200 photos
- United Airlines Boeing 757-200 photos: United Airlines Boeing 757-200 photos"
Hear, hear! I couldn't have put it better myself. If we want to live in a safe, civilized nation, we need to give up some of our lesser freedoms. I would be more than willing to let the FBI or CIA read my correspondence if it will prevent something like this from happening in the future. I've got nothing to hide.
On a related note, Britain has been doing this for years, and they've never had any problems with terrorism on this scale. I think most Britians would agree that sacrificing a few minor liberties in exchange for increased personal security is quite a fair trade!
"Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or dead." -Kurt Cobain
Maybe -- just maybe -- you could give it 24 hours to sink in before you start criticising people; I guess we're all just not as enlightened as you are.
For my money, I think it's perfectly acceptible to still be very upset.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
If Passangers on planes are allowed to be armed and "defend themselves", this kind of thing would happen more often...
--The space between my ears was intentionally left blank--
I don't think anybody is going to forget this happened.
I do think that nobody is going to see that web page before knowing anything about this tragic incident. Putting up a web page a day later isn't telling anybody what has happened.
And lets be honest. If you want news you either turn on the TV, listen to the radio, or read the newspaper, read any of the above's websites, or speak to someone who has.
Not go to some guys website who has a macabre collection of pictures taken from the aforementioned sites. As I said before, Ambulance chasing.
In World War II, the Japanese culture and the Japanese religion were the same thing. The Japanese thought that they were the supreme race, and that their emporer was a god. They treated the rest of population of Asia like they were mongrel scum and committed horrendous atrocities to those people.
When the Japanese surrendered to the US, we (the US) basically rebuilt their country. Part of that involved discrediting their false and evil religion. We paraded their emporer around the country and allowed the citizens to touch him, proving that they could touch the emporer and survive.
I think it's time we do the same thing with these so-called "rogue nations." I'm not arguing that Islam is evil, but the type of "Islam" that these terrorists follow most certainly is. They are inspired and driven by their evil religion to murder and injure innocent civilians. I have no tolerance for any religion that teaches its followers to murder and maim innocent civilians.
If we want to stop Islamic terrorists, then we need to discredit their false and evil religion. I know this sounds like heavy flamebait, and before you moderate it as such, please attempt to understand my argument that the "Islam" that these terrorists follow is an evil and murderous religion. Thousands of innocent civilians are dead becuase of that religion. Islam is not inherently evil, but that does not mean that there aren't some sects of Islam that are. Just like there are some sects of almost any religion that are.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
What a shame you couldn't have been right there on the scene to experience it as up close and personal as possible.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
s was stolen from the New York Post
By STEVE DUNLEAVY
New York Post
September 12, 2001
THE response to this unimaginable 21st century Pearl Harbor should be as
simple as it is swift - kill the bastards.
No, I don't mean hunt them, arrest them, extradite them and prosecute them
in a court of law.
I mean a far quicker and neater form of retribution for this cabal of
cowards. A gunshot between the eyes, blow them to smithereens, poison them
if you have to.
President George W. Bush should right now be putting his name to a fresh
document - one that rescinds Executive Order 12333, signed by President
Gerald Ford on Feb. 18, 1976.
It reads in part: "No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United
States should engage in assassination or conspire to engage in
assassination."
Right for that time, wrong for this time.
[You can sign an online petition urging repeal of this executive order by
going to http://www.libertypetitions.com]
Train assassins (we've done it before), hire mercenaries, put a couple of
million bucks up for bounty hunters to get them dead or alive, preferably
dead.
As for cities or countries that host these worms, bomb them into basketball
courts.
No, it won't bring back the thousands of innocents and the brave cops and
firefighters lost, but it might stop the sacrifice of other innocents.
"This is an act of war of an enormity that is staggering," Sen. John McCain
of Arizona said yesterday.
Former Secretary of State Gen. Alexander Haig said: "We should be ready to
take resolute action, which we have failed to in the past."
The point is that Osama bin Laden has been at war with us for a decade -
make no mistake, he's behind the attacks.
At the beginning of the year, he issued a video to his followers urging them
"to penetrate" the United States.
Only three weeks ago, he was quoted in an Arabic newspaper saying he was
preparing a big action against our country.
He is the sole individual who has the billions of dollars, the training
camps and the fanatics to have perpetrated this sophisticated bloodbath.
Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich said yesterday: "This wasn't
planned in a handful of homes by a handful of fanatics."
When we put a rocket in the pocket of Moammar Khadafy, he went as quiet as a
mouse.
If the CIA can't find this ameba Osama Bin Laden, leave it to someone else.
We should give the Taliban, which protects this monster, 24 hours to clear
the city of Kabul of innocent civilians and then start the process of urban
renewal with high-altitude bombing.
Then we should go into the interior, hunt down the desert rat and execute
him and his followers on the spot.
And if Saddam Hussein makes so much as a peep, do him, too.
The time has come.
"It takes many nails to build a crib, but one screw to fill it."
You get the point. 99% of the people have thanked me for providing the resource; if you don't like it, I'm sorry.
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I'm not sure you know what ambulance chasing is. It's when a lawyer offers legal services to someone who's just been in an accident.
-russ
Don't piss off The Angry Economist
Ask yourself: Who has the most to gain if the US directs it's anger and military might against the Arab world?
You're using her as bait, Master!
mkelley writes: "This is only the beginning folks...looks like the internet is going to be blamed for this...Wired has a story that is sure to cause panic. This is going to be the goverment's way to push wiretapping into your email and web surfing. In this time of crisis, people in high places are going to use this to get their agenda through."
This is about the most arrogant view on this that I can imagine--that your privacy is more important than human life. In my opinion, if installing Carnivore/etc and monitoring my emails would help save the possibly 10,000+ lives that were lost yesterday, I am all for installing it.
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING (including my privacy), is worth the deaths of that number of innocent civilians. Keep your politically-motivated banter to a minimum in this time of crisis. Privacy means nothing anymore. Two days ago, maybe protecting your emails was a big deal, but after yesterday, I would gladly trade my future privacy in return for the lives of all those poor people who died and for the future security and safety of my family.
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
The term that rather sour dispositioned individual should have used was firetruck chasing.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
You know what kills me?..Those little bastard-ass Palestinian kids that were cheering when the planes hit...I say we blow them up too..I mean look, apparently those kids are the next terrorist's..They kinda looked like Bin Laben too.
Also, anyone here heard of that band "System of A Down"...There's some crazy coincidences with their new album that just came out, and some of their old songs. They also seem to be Arabic..and the singer looks like Bin Laben too!
Just look at the names of these songs!
Psycho
Jet-Pilot
War?
Prison Song
and these lyrics!
"When your castle breaks, and your feet are dry, Do you ever believe you were stuck out in the, Sky."
"A whole race Genocide, Taken away all of our pride, a whole race genocide, taken away, watch them all fall down. Revolution, the only solution, the armed response of an entire nation, revolution, the only solution, We've taken all of your $***, now it's time for restitution."
Harry Brown is preaching isolationism and appeasement, the very same policy which resulted in WWII and, had it continued, would have allowed the Nazis to win the nuclear race, and thus, the entire war.
The US involves itself in international affairs to protect the "interest of the free world". We don't live in a closet. Just because attrocities occur in different parts of the world, does not mean that it won't eventually endanger us and those who share our philosophies.
If anything, yesterday's events may never have happened if we had finished off Sadam when we had the chance. For now, it's too early to tell if he's responsible.