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The Upcoming Corel-Based Distro From Xandros

mutantcamel writes: "Michael A. Bego, the CEO of Xandros Corporation has given an interview with Consulting Times. Xandros recently signed a license agreement with Corel that gave them access to Corel Linux." Bego holds off on a lot of specifics here, but says that what Xandros inherits from Corel includes a lot of improvements that never made it to Corel's since-abandoned boxed desktop distributions, and since it's Debian-based, will "automatically" run on several platforms.

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  1. Graphical Debian Distros... by }InFuZeD{ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The installation and text-based maintanance of Debian has always kept some of my friends away from it. Progeny and other companies seem to be stepping up to the plate to make Debian a more user-friendly distro and I hope this one continues what Corel started.

    1. Re:Graphical Debian Distros... by ajs · · Score: 2

      The installation and text-based maintanance of Debian has always kept some of my friends away from it.

      That's putting it nicely. I've been doing *NIX admin for 12 years. I started out in the Linux world with Slackware (back when it was about 9 or so floppies for a core system). Since then I've become a Red Hat user.

      A while back, I tried to install Debian's "stable" release. It told me that I could create a boot-floppy (actually 2), then put all of the rest of the core system on a system that I'd access over NFS. Sounded cool. I got everything onto my server. Checked the export permissions, rebooted by desktop with the floppy in it and... spent the next 3 hours trying to understand why it wouldn't even ask me how it should be talking to the network.

      I combed HOWTOs and READMEs for hours, but to no avail. Eventually, I just re-installed Red Hat and went on with life. Too bad, Debian sounded cool. Someday, I'll go back with an actuall CD and try agian, but the fact that an advertised feature in the install had obviously not been tested was a little scary.

    2. Re:Graphical Debian Distros... by Malcontent · · Score: 2

      Believe it or not I actually switched to debian because of the text based maintenance. Go figure.

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    3. Re:Graphical Debian Distros... by ajs · · Score: 2

      But, I'm already running Linux on 2 machines at home and close to 100 at work. I'm not in need of a new distro. I was SPECIFICALLY checking out debian because friends of mine had represented it as easier to maintain....

  2. appealing to windows users by perdida · · Score: 3, Insightful

    windows users don't think about their operating system.

    linux users do.

    most linux users have a windows box or access to one when they want to do something with the great mass of consumers which use the internet, like playing video games, watching movies or multimedia, etc.

    linux users use the linux box for many of the un-sexy things like operating a database or serving web pages, something which your average windows user, who is looking for Minesweeper or a DVD player, would consider "nothing to do."

    It will be interesting to see a linux system meant to appeal to the Windows user. Perhaps it will be a bargain basement version of what Windows already provides, without the powerful, world-changing tools that make Linux already useful in its own niche.

    I remember all the knockoff Gameboys that come out of import shops and Dollar stores after they failed in the mainstream consumer market, and I hope these will serve as a word of warning to Xandros.

    1. Re:appealing to windows users by SurfsUp · · Score: 2
      linux users use the linux box for many of the un-sexy things like operating a database or serving web pages, something which your average windows user, who is looking for Minesweeper or a DVD player, would consider "nothing to do."

      Maybe those Windows users would be interested to know that dvi's now play more smoothly and look better on Linux than on Windows? Heh, I was surprised too. My friend who set it up did admittedly put a lot of hours into getting everything assembled and working. No, he didn't have to write code, just sort out a lot of compile and config details. But you know - today's hack is tomorrow's apt-get.

      Along the same lines, it's said Unreal plays more smoothly on Linux than Windows. So I guess we're talking language that even nongeeks can appreciate.

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    2. Re:appealing to windows users by Jagasian · · Score: 2

      Novice users shouldn't have dependency problems on a Debian distro, considering that the underlying package management system takes care of it all automatically.

      Now, those problems might occur frequently on Redhat based distros... but then again, the Xandros Distro is Debian based.

  3. Watch out for these folks by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Xandros bandied my name around as their "consultant" while setting up this deal. Please be advised, I have nothing to do with them. Although I verbaly agreed to advise them more than a year ago, nothing exists on paper and their behavior since then does not merit my continued involvement. Linux Global Partners, their parent, reneged on signed term sheets with a number of Linux companies in March. Just before announcing the Xandros deal, LGP was in talks with Progeny, got a very good look at Progeny's business plan, and then said "no thanks". In retrospect, it's clear that they simply wanted a look at the business plan.

    I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

    Bruce

    1. Re:Watch out for these folks by NonSequor · · Score: 2

      Why should I trust you? How do I know that you are the REAL Anonymous Coward?

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    2. Re:Watch out for these folks by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2
      Nice try, but it's the real Bruce, note the low ID number. E-mail me if you want to verify.

      Bruce

  4. Why I might care by rknop · · Score: 2

    My first reaction is, "why would anybody care?" There are a lot of Linx distributions out there, so we're hardly hurting for choice at the moment. Why would we need another one?

    But, reading the intereview, where they say they intend to contribute back to the community, I saw why I should care. Perhaps, just perhaps these folks will appeal to somebody that no current Linux distro does. If they succeed, and they're another company employing Linux hackers to hack Linux, then that's a good thing.

    And, unlike Red Hat, VA, and a number of others, since they're based in Canada their business won't be outlawed after the US Government finishes passing its defense-of-copyright laws.

    -Rob

    1. Re:Why I might care by Jagasian · · Score: 2

      Currently, there is no "Mandrake-like" Debian based Linux distro. Meaning a distro that has an automatic bootable CD based installation - an installation that only requires the user to put the CD in the CD drive and reboot and then the rest of the installation is automatic.

      Debian based meaning, well, its based on the only truely open and free Linux distro: Debian Linux.

      In addition, there is no Debian based distro that has KDE as the default, main window manager, with all Distro-centric tools interfaced through KDE applications.

      I have to say that I am very interested in the Xandros distro. Taking the best of Corel's installer, Debian's package management system and standards, and the wonderful user-interface known as KDE... it could be one killer distro.

  5. Too much venom by SurfsUp · · Score: 2
    Nice try, but it's the real Bruce, note the low ID number. E-mail me if you want to verify.

    Bruce, I'm sure it's you, but I am not sure that the level of venom in your original post is seemly for a person in your position. You could have just presented what you perceive as the facts and let people draw their own conclusions.

    Although I verbaly agreed to advise them more than a year ago, nothing exists on paper...

    A verbal agreement is no less an agreement than a paper agreement. Paper and signatures are simply evidence of an agreement, not the agreement itself. That was one of the points you made, another had to do with term sheets. Are you sure that the term sheets had no provision for adverse market conditions? It is typical that they do. Finally, you suggested that Xandro's investor, LGP, entered into negotiations with Genome simply to discover their business plan. I find that something of a stretch, really I do.

    I am completely impartial in this, though I admit I want to believe in Xandros. My impression of their intent is that they want to put out a "Corel but done right" distribution, correcting Corel's mistake where some parts of the distribution were closed source. Personally , I believe there is room for a Debian-based KDE-oriented commercially supported distribution and I am relieved to see someone stepping in to fill the market position so recently vacated by Storm Linux. I do not believe that Xandros simply imitating of Genome.

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    1. Re:Too much venom by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2
      Well, think of the last time I showed this much venom: LinuxOne. This is not so much of a fly-by-night as LinuxOne was, but I am sensing a lack of integrity. That tends to raise my hackles, especially when I am (albeit peripheraly) involved.

      I last spoke with LGP in March, when Linas Vespas and the GNOMoney folks, Heimdall Linux, and a few other companies were all talking about bringing suit against LGP. I told LGP that they were blowing their reputation. That was our last communication. It's clear that they just abandoned their other companies (except for Ximian) in order to pursue the Corel opportunity. I don't have any of their secrets, and would not be revealing them if I had any, but I am under no other obligation to them now.

      My primary goal here is that folks in the community don't get hurt in dealing with them.

      Thanks

      Bruce

    2. Re:Too much venom by On+Lawn · · Score: 2


      I can understand not wanting your name on something. After all it is the much impostered "Bruce Perens_" name. But...

      My primary goal here is that folks in the community don't get hurt in dealing with them.
      ...is something that is unwarranted by the evidence thus far presented, and shows a lack of faith in the GPL they are putting their code under (IMHO). So their VC's didn't support some company after reviewing the buisness plan? Having worked with many startups I'm sure that is not uncommon.

  6. NO! Please NO! by BierGuzzl · · Score: 2

    I can't believe it... not _yet another_ debian based distribution! Look around! The only debian based distribution that has even the faintest hope of turning a profit is Progeny. Even then, the only reason is the quality of developers involved. Others who have tried and failed should serve as enough of a warning to newcomers. The only reason I can possibly see for this company to undertake this endeavor is to try to squeeze money out of underinformed venture capitalists to pay their own 6 figure salaries.

    1. Re:NO! Please NO! by SurfsUp · · Score: 2
      I can't believe it... not _yet another_ debian based distribution! Look around! The only debian based distribution that has even the faintest hope of turning a profit is Progeny.

      With its heavy emphasis on KDE and Wine, I've always seen Corel's distribution as a migration path for Windows users more than anything else. As such Xandros and Progeny are not playing in the same space.

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      Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
  7. Progeny by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2
    Progeny makes money now. They had to get pretty lean to do it, but they do. They might be the only one.

    Bruce

  8. Verifying Bruce by fm6 · · Score: 2
    I have this book on computer security, I forget the title, that says that verifying identity requires a trusted third party. I suppose /. counts, except that it's not the most secure site in the world. Even if that were not true, all you've established is that you asserted you were Bruce Perens a long time ago. What evidence do we have that the assertion was validated then? It certainly hasn't been validated since.

    Need I go into the difficulty of validating your identity via email?

    Schoolman Thrumbart
    Coordinator-in-Exile
    People's Republic of Sealand

  9. Information about Xandros's parent by big.ears · · Score: 2
    Here is some information that isn't quite clear from the article. Xandros is being funded by Linux Global Partners, who claim to be funding such high-profile companies/projects as Ximian, Codeweavers, Gnucash, and Gobe; as well as some more dubious projects like Linux Utilities (whose web site is atrocious and LGP doesn't even link to directly).

    I'm not sure what constitutes some of these relationships; I thought Gnucash had been cut loose, but maybe I'm wrong. Does anyone have information about these corporate sponsorships, or what Xandros's acquisition of Corel means for them?

  10. Re:Business model by jfunk · · Score: 2
    sell physical boxes, sell professional services, and sell access to an apt-get server (or whatever we want to call it).


    AFAIK, only Red Hat is selling access to an update server, called the "Red Hat Network."

    What's more, they didn't release the source for that server.

    I know for a fact that Ximian, Mandrake and SuSE don't do anything like this.
  11. debian has a ridiculous amount of such things.... by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 2

    Windows is a vast desert of "nothing to do" when you start off, compared to Debian's teeming, insane hive of fiddlygadgets.

    Your concept that "windows users do not think about the OS" is correct- but this is true not because Windows offers so much more to do (it offers less than any Linux I know) but simply because it's the default.

    That's all.

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    What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey

  12. Debian-based by Jagasian · · Score: 2

    Maybe you don't understand that many Linux users find Debian based distros to have a stronger foundation when compared to Redhat based distros.