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ryuzaki0
on from the we-don't-know-much dept.
Several people have reported that the US has begun military operations in Afghanistan. Bush is talking on CNN live right now. Bombing has begun on Kabul. More as we know it. Here the word
a on CNN and The CBC.
Bastard!
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Killing innocent people is not the way to stop terrorism. It will just spawn new hatred.
Re:Bastard!
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Indeed.
Has shooting children and torturing people given Israel security? No.
Re:Bastard!
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How dumb a dumbfuck are you? We're not going to carpet-bomb innocents. We'll strike with precision on the Al Queda dickless wimps and those Talliban pussies only. It's the muslims that are making this a religious war. The U.S. simply wants to get rid of these idiots who apparently don't have a religion.
Yes, if Duh-bya was stupid enough to send in the B-52s (about the only thing we can "carpet-bomb" with), the US losses _would_ be incredibly high. You forget, these guys kicked the ass of the Soviet Union at its strongest. The last conqueror to succeed in Afghanistan was Genghis Khan, and he basically killed everyone. All I've heard about so far is cruise missile attacks, which won't solve squat. The only thing that will get the Taliban out of power is putting ground troops in. Losses will be very high, and some of you Slashdotters will likely be drafted. Ready to go die?
Re:Bastard!
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Kill all Muslims. At the very least, the world
will smell better.
Not the answer....
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are we going to kill them? That is mean. We should not bomb them. We should send missionaries in and convert them to christianity, the REAL religion.
Yeah!!!!!
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It's about time we bombed that camel-fucker. I'd love to see the look on his face when he finds out there is no Paradise or 83 virgins or whatever. SHAVE THAT UGLY ASS BEARD YOU SOON-TO-BE-DEAD PIECE OF SHIT!
It just doesn't feel like a Slashdot armed forces update withut the obligatory moronic and uninformed statement from Michael. C'mon, I wanna hear him condemning what's happening today and regretting that nobody's learning from the advice of old British and Soviet soldiers!
an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
but umm, they deserve to burn, starve, have their women raped, etc.
-- "When all the buildings fall, pimpin still gone stand tall" - Ricky D
Re:philosophy
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its the same in every religion.. problems of religious war are always: not every soldier is religious.. most of them are still killers and hired... AND they didnt rape 'their women'... they rape INNOCENTS !
Kill Every Muslim -- Islam is our mortal enemy!
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The dead scream out for vengeance:
Kill all Muslims.
KillallMohammedans.
Kill all Arabs.
Kill all Towel Heads.
Kill all Camel Jockeys.
Kill all Dune Coons.
Kill all Islam.
Nuke their countries to hell.
Nuke them again.
Death to Islam.
I piss on Mecca. I menstruate on the Koran. I shit on Mohammed.
Burn, Muslim, Burn!
Re: America will never learn
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Hi, Osama! Kindly shut the fuck up now, mmmkay?
Re:Innocent bystanders
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Wow, U. Arizona will accept anyone!
It hurts me to think down to your level, but what would you do in retaliation? Nothing? Let the Taliban harbor bin Laden until he can get his hand on chemical, biological, or nuclear devices?
Re:WW3
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Yeah, a world war because the Taliban just has so many supporters. Seriously man, why do you have to be so fucking stupid?
Here's hoping we pound the shit out of the bastards responsible for the terrorist attacks, as opposed to anyone our cruise missiles can reach. That said, I feel compelled to point out again: YAH!!!!! GO USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- I'm the stranger...posting to/.
Re:According to Bush
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Spoken like someone looking for any reason to slam Bush, even if it's to the detriment of his or her own country. Way to stay true to form, mate!
Re:According to Bush
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Are you taking the piss? Bush read the whole thing from autoque - he was wooden, dull and moronic. TRhe day you guys vote in something beyond the common house fly is the day I'll move back to the US.
Re:Doesnt look that big right now
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No kidding. Let's turn those fuckers into a big glass parking lot. They killed my brother.
I want to convey my good wishes and thankfulness to all members of the US military and our allies as they embark on this great mission to preserve my freedom, and the freedom of the world.
Thank you.
-- Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
Re:For great justice!!
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You're a fool. This isn't about freedom, it's about power, in particular the power to opress the freedom of certain groups of people when it suits your economic interests.
It's all downhill from here, bub.
The innocent will die.
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The first time some millitary general makes some dumb-ass staement like collateral damage is enivitable we should all remember that's exactly how the terrorists perceived the victims of the WTC attrocity. We are no better.
A message to all Muslims on Slashdot
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If you are Muslim, you are dead meat. We are going
to hunt you down, and exterminate you. No cave
is too deep, no desert too far. Your time is up.
Check list for Muslims:
Bend over.
Put your head between your legs.
Kiss your ass^g^h^h Mohammed goodbye.
We will wrap you in pig skin and stuff your sorry
Muslim ass corpses with pork lard.
Re:A message to all Muslims on Slashdot
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You're just as bad as Bin Laden. Bigot. If you're so zealous, go sign up and put your own life on the line.
Yay!
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Yay! Death and destruction! So when are the ter'ists gonna start nuking USia's cities!? Bioattack! Bioattack! Bioattack!
Re:Hmm
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dont talk shit... if you really believe this, you better get picked up and stored in the loony-house... only if CCN only shows dead soldiers that only says that many civilians were killed... for God's sake most of them already fleed... do you think killing humans is spiritually argumentable ???
Re:According to Bush
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How ignorant can you be? I can live with the fact that you have absolutely no knowledge about anything outside the US borders but this still doesn't excuse the fact that you must have been hidden in a hole not watching the news for the last month. bin Laden is a billionaire. That's with a 'b'. Doesn't take a rocket scientist why the Taliban doesn't want to give it up eh? Why don't you read the news you've been avoiding and figure out the military assets they have before you waste my air anymore?
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metalhed77
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This is a war of inteligence, eleet commandos, delta force, sas etc.
I guess all that h4x0ring has gotten to your spelling eh?
I really think it's unbelievable that US uses air strikes AGAIN. Didn't you learn anything from your history?
Air strikes will ALWAYS kill INNOCENT PEOPLE.
The only way to kill even nearly "guilty" people is to bring them in front of court.
Praying for those you're BOMBING is a little bit LAME, because your OWN GOD FORBIDS KILLING. I say this again for those who DIDN'T get it from first round: Your own god forbids killing!
Why Are you Killing?
Where's that stuff about turning another cheek?
I consider Bush MURDERER that should be brought in ront of court. Preferably in Texas, so he could be DEATH-SENTENCED, from ALIKES.
> and isn't it sad I am reading/. instead of watching the news...
And isn't it sad people are DYING in Afghanistan?
-- fucktard is a tenderhearted description
Re:Civilization vs.Islam.
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One more moronic god loving american. And you dare call yourself a free country when everything you do needs to have crap like "god", "prayers" and "holy" in it.
ALL MUSLIMS ARE WARLIKE AND ARE OUR ENEMIES
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The majority of the Non-Islamic world
has deluded itself into believing that the principles of Islam are
tolerant in nature. This misconception is heightened when people
think that the fault lies with only a handful of misguided Muslims
who are not adhering to Islamic principles and hence indulge in
terrorism. It is time for the entire world to realise that Islam
by its very nature and through its essential principles openly
supports, encourages and propogates Terrorism of the worst kind.
Therefore the Islamic terrorist is in fact the most devout Muslim,
because he is following exactly what Islam teaches through the
Divine Koran. It is this very Koran which is considered by Muslims
to be the holy word of their Allah himself. The Koran functions as
the central terrorist manual that urges them to slaughter, rape,
torture, pillage, mutilate and molest all Non-Muslims.
The Muslim is exhorted by their GOD to kill, mutilate, molest,
rape and steal. This repetitive conditioning of the mind is
performed by indoctrinating the Koranic Surahs in every Muslim
child at Madarsas (Islamic schools). The Muslim child daily
memorizes the Koranic Surahs which exhort him/her to murder,
violence, hatred and crime against every Non-Muslim. The Muslim
child learns to hate Non-Muslims, before he loses his first tooth.
The doctrines that are forced down his throat are so deeply
embedded in the child's mind, that he cannot view the world in any
other perspective except as a composition of Muslims and Kafirs
(Infidel). It is also made clear to the child that ALL Kafirs
(Non-Muslims) are evil by their very nature and that it is every
Muslim's moral and religious duty to either convert all the Kafirs
to Islam by force or Kill each and every one of them.
Imagine being forced to watch the most violent scenes imaginable,
day in and day out throughout your childhood and then being told
by your elders that all that violence is Allah's will. Imagine
being told that to be a good Muslim, you MUST commit the same
violent and heinous actions as the barbaric Prophet Mohammed or
else be prepared to be damned and go to hell for not performing
your religious duty. Is it any wonder that in every corner of the
world, terrorism is synonomous with Islam ? Any Muslim child or
adult who dares to question the criminal and violent nature of the
acts sanctioned by Allah and perpetrated by Mohammed, is
threatened with the direst consequences. Any Muslim daring to
question the authority of the Koran is immediately silenced by
force. Therefore it is hardly surprising that all Muslims grow up
to become direct or indirect supporters of Terrorism and Violent
Crime against Non-Muslims (And many times against other Muslims as
well). Intolerance, Hatred, Violence, Fundamentalism, Fascism and
Ignorance are inculcated into every Muslim's child's head before
he can even pronounce the alphabet.
To get an idea of what kind of conditioning the Muslim mind
undergoes, one need only open the Koran. Every chapter is brimming
over with hatred, ruthlessness, cruelty and the sort of invective
that would make the Ku Klux Klan shake in their shoes. Since the
verses espousing violence in the Koran are so numerous, I can only
quote a few of the most horrifying ones at a time. The
exceptionally cruel, sadistic and violent nature of Mohammed's
motivations and Allah's inspirations spill out through every Verse
in the Koran. I will let the words speak for themselves:
Koran 17:16-17 When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order
to them who have the good things in life and yet transgress; so
that Allah's word is proved true against them: then we destroy
them utterly. How many generations have we destroyed after Noah?
And enough is thy Lord to note and see the Sins of his servants
Here Allah, the God of the Muslims is clearly stating the exact
method that he adopts when he commits genocide of an entire
POPULATION. And why does Allah decide to destroy entire
populations? Simply because they don't believe in Allah and so
Allah will kill them all, to take revenge. Next Allah is indulging
in an unbelievable display of conceit. He is actually BOASTING
about how many generations he has destroyed after Noah. If Allah
had a list of his merits, no doubt genocide of numerous
generations of people would top his list. Allah enjoys watching
the annhilation of thousands of Non-Muslims at the hands of his
pious followers, the Muslims.
Koran 8:37 In order that Allah may seperate the impure from the pure, Put All
the impure ones (Non-Muslim), one on top of the another in a Heap
and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost
The "All-Merciful Allah" is now specifically instructing
all "peace-loving Muslims" to heap up a mountain of
corpses of the non believers. Of course, in order to do this holy
task for Allah, the Muslim must first go out and attack innocent
Non-Muslims and massacre them so that Allah's wishes are
fulfilled. Allah seems to have an inexhaustible thirst for the
blood of innocents. Note that the reason given to massacre
non-believers is that "Allah may seperate the Impure from the
Pure". It has nothing to do with self-defense or protection
as Muslims try to argue. The explicit purpose for this heinous
crime is so that Allah can easily differentiate between the
Muslims and Non-Muslims. This way it becomes a lot easier for
Allah and his angelic helpers to dump the heaps of murdered
Non-Muslims into Hellfire.
Koran 21:11 How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of
their inequities, setting up in their place other peoples
Again Allah is boasting about his amazing exploits such as
genocide and displacement of innocent people. The justification
for this crime is that these innocent people had
"inequities". Apparently any community which is not
Muslim is full of inequities by Islamic definition and therefore
fair game for all pious Muslims to massacre and plunder.
Koran 2:8-10 In their (Non-Muslims) hearts is a disease; and Allah has
increased their disease and grievous is the penalty they will
incur, because they are false.
So Allah not only exhorts Muslims to kill all the non-believers,
he also strikes down the surviving ones with disease and pain. Any
good Muslim must surely carry out their beloved Allah's word. In
fact Allah's word seems to be very much in effect in today's
world. This is why one sees pious, Allah-loving Muslims like
Saddam Hussain nursing factories that make weapons of biological
and chemical warfare. Saddam is complying perfectly with Allah's
wishes to the letter when he manufactures strains of deadly
viruses to be unleashed on unsuspecting non-believers like the
Israelis and Americans. He has secured a place in Islamic "Jannat"
(Paradise) for himself by following Allah's orders so religiously.
Koran 58:5 Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust,
as were those before them: for we have already sent down Clear
Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger" obviously refers to
anyone who is not a Muslim. Therefore every Non-Muslim must be
crushed to death by the holy edict of Allah. No doubt it was this
very verse which must have served as a motivation for those pious
Muslims who bombed the World Trade Center. Allah must have been
extremely pleased to watch all those innocent Non-Muslims being
crumbled to death.
Koran 44:43-50 Verily the Tree of Zaqqum will be the food of the sinful. Like
molten brass it will boil in their insides, Like the boiling of
scalding water Seize Ye Him and drag him into the midst of the
blazing Fire Then pour over his head the penalty of Boiling Water
One shudders to imagine the kind of effects such a torture manual
has on the impressionable mind of a young Muslim child. Is it any
wonder that so many of them grow up into hardened criminals who
possess a distorted, sadistic and perverted psyche. Repeated
exposure to and encouragement of the thoughts expressed in this
verse would surely inculcate violence in the very core of a
child's being. This description of Hell for the Non-Muslims has
been the model for every pious Muslim in the past and present. In
India, Sikh Gurus were tortured to death in exactly the same
fashion. They were boiled to death in a cauldron of scalding
liquid. On April 20, 1998 in Udhampur, India, over 30 innocent
Kashmiri Hindu men, women and children were burnt alive in exactly
the horrific manner sanctioned by the "Most merciful and
All-Forgiving Allah", for refusing to convert to Islam.
The above verses are only the tip of the iceberg. Any deluded
Non-Muslim who thinks that Islam is the religion of peace and that
it is only misguided Muslims who commit terrorism and atrocities,
can pick up an English translation of the Koran from any bookstore
and refer to these Verses (Surahs). If, even after reading these
Surahs, you are foolhardy enough not to realise the facts that I
have explained, then here is a list of Allah's plans for you. All
of these punishments befit you by default if you happen to be a
Non-Muslim. Even a mass murderer will eventually attain Pardise if
he is Muslim, wheras any Non-Muslim, even if he happens to be a
Saint is eternally damned to Hellfire by Allah's decree. In
Allah's own immortal words:
Koran 2:39 Those who reject faith (Islam) and belie our signs, They shall be
Companions of the Fire and abide in it.
Koran 2:89-90 The Curse of Allah is on those without faith (in Islam) Thus have
they drawn wrath upon wrath on themselves and humiliating is the
punishment of those who reject faith (Islam)
Koran 5:33 The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is :
Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from
opposite sides or exile from the land
Koran 9:35 On the day when Heat will be produced out of the wealth in the
Fire of Hell, and with it will be branded their foreheads, their
sides and their backs- "This is the treasure that ye buried
for yourselves, taste ye then the treasures that ye buried."
This verse is referring to those people who don't spend their
money in the way prescribed by Allah. Obviously if you happen to
be a Non-Muslim, you don't spend money in the ways that the Muslim
Allah prescribes, so this is the fate you are heading for. Beware
All Ye Filthy Capitalists of America! This Surah's for you.
Koran 8:50 If you could see when the angels take the souls of the Unbelievers
at death. How they smite their faces and backs saying "Taste
the penalty of the blazing Fire"
Even the angels will be doing Allah's dirty work for him. The
Merciful Allah does not discriminate among his Muslim followers.
Everyone starting from the Muslim Bum to the Angel gets a chance
to maim, mutilate and kill Non-Believers. Allah is truly just and
Merciful!
If you do happen to pick up that copy of the Koran as I mentioned,
don't expect your fate to improve, unless you become a Muslim.
Allah doesn't want Non-believers to understand the Koran. This is
quite understandable on Allah's part, because any self-respecting
human being who reads the Koran will be revolted at the violence
and sadism espoused in it. Is it any wonder that Muslims don't
want Non-Muslims to read or discuss any part of the Koran? They
are afraid, that anyone who reads it will soon realise the true
nature of Islam, which is genocide sanctioned by religion.
Here Allah explains that Non-Muslims will never be allowed to
understand the Koran:
Koran 17:46-47 And we put coverings over their hearts and minds, lest they should
understand the Koran, and we put deafness in their ears; when you
commemorate your Lord (Allah) and Him alone in the Koran
If a Non-Muslim cannot understand the Koran, how is he/she
expected to convert to Islam on their own accord? This is
obviously an admission on Allah's part that people can be
converted to Islam only by violent force, because he has ensured
that they cannot understand it via reading the Koran. For any
Non-Muslim to understand the Koran would be absolutely
counterproductive to Islam. Muslims have hidden the truth from
Non-Muslims for ages. It is a fact that the available English
translations of the Koran do not contain many of the original
Arabic Verses. Many particular verses were edited and changed by
Muslims, because they were just too violent and explicitly
revealed the brutal and barbaric nature of Islam.
The Koran is a psychological manual that incites hatred and
violence in the reader. It was specifically designed for this very
purpose, so that the Prophet Mohammed could carry on his tradition
of Genocide and Terrorism, long after his death. The entire
recorded history of Muslims is a testament to this fact.
Re:WW3
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Anyone who supports the Taliban is either:
1. A synchophant who will support a pig head on a stick if it says it's the boss
or
2. A power-hungry asshole who is so full of hate that they want to screw over the world to hang on to thier power.
We don't need to worry about #1, and #2 deserves to die.
Re:War...
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I and I are very calmed to see that most of the postings still are realistic... a week ago i thought of stop reading/. for this topic , for most postings were very fantic and KREIGSGEIL !! (hornyforwar)... I know NOBODY wants war.. they only want to see those people killed.. without being influenced in their all-day-business... but there are no innocents anymore... God save the victims.. and help them all coming home !!!... in the next days many of us will be gone again...
Heres a thought for
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Food for thought:
1) Approach someone talking about "peace" and saying things like "there should be no retaliation."
2) Engage in brief conversation, ask if military force is appropriate.
3) When he says "No," ask, "Why not?"
4) Wait until he says something to the effect of, "Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence."
5) When he's in mid sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can.
6) When he gets back up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would, "be awful and he should not cause more violence."
7) Wait until he agrees that he has pledged not to commit additional violence.
8) Punch him in the face again, harder this time.
Repeat steps 5 through 8 until they understand that sometimes it is necessary to punch back.
-- Thanks
Snoozer
Re:According to Bush
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your a towelhead yourself arent you?
their military infrastructure cannot come close to formadable against the U.S.
and if you couldnt tell, i was trying to be funny. pull the koran out of your ass and lighten up.
-- I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows - Bart Simpson
Re:Sad but true
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Oh, for fuck's sake.
Re:Surprised that Bush took Sunday to deliver just
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We should go over to those Muslim countries,
kill their leaders, and convert their population
to Christianity.
Shit! Thank God for that. I was pretty sure the CIA must have a satellite that shows who all the really evil ones are, but thanks for confirming it.
As for God punishing those that the US targets, well buddy, don't worry too much about that. You see God is omnipotent, unlike the USA, so we can all be pretty sure he will act justly. But, hey, you gotta wonder why he lets all those innocent people die all the time. I dunno, maybe they aren't so innocent or something. Boy, this whole good/evil thing is a brain-ache. Let's just nuke 'em!!
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Hey Muslim boy - I'm talking to YOU Muslim asswipe
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Ifyou re Muslim, you re dead meat. We are going to hunt you down,
and xterminate you. No cave is too deep, no desert too far. Your tim
is up.
Check list for Muslims:
Bend over.
Put your
head between your legs.
Kiss your sorry asshole^h^h^h^h^h Mohammed
goodbye.
We will wrap you in pig skin and stuff your sorry shit
faced Muslim corpses with pork lard.
Re:Civilization vs.Islam.
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Anonymous Coward
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Ifyou re Muslim, you re dead meat. W are gong to hunt you down,
and xterminate you. No cave is too deep, no desert too far. Your time
is up.
Check listfor Muslims:
Bend over.
Put your
head between your legs.
Kiss your sorry asshole^h^h^h^h^h Mohammed
goodbye.
We will wrap you in pig skin and stuff your sorry shit
faced Muslim corpses with pork lard.
What's the difference between Afghanistan and Christmas?
Christmas will be here in December!
Re:More needless loss of life.
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Jon+Peterson
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WILL NOT STOP until EVERY American and American ally is DEAD. No pausing to reflect, no thoughts on peaceful resolution, EVERYONE DEAD.
That is correct. Osama Bin Laden is the terminator, crossed with the energizer bunny.
What is more, the Taliban are not actually people, instead they are fanatical monsters who will not stop until every American is dead. Come to think of it all of America's enemies are like that.
Take the Japanese. During WWII they killed innocent American civilians by suicidally crashing planes into their boats. America had to respond then with target nuclear strikes against their terror bases in the remote Nagasaki and Hiroshima regions of Japan. Those fanatical people would not stop until every American was dead. That is why even today Japanese people are constantly try to kill Americans. It just goes to show these evil men of hate will never change.
What is currently unclear though, is that when the US has military bases in Kabul, the marines will prefer gang raping little Afghan girls in their yashmaks more than those cute Japanese girls in their white socks. It's a tough one but I'm sure the US military is thinking hard about it.
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yeah, right, this will be the solution...
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cockroach2
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great, george "wanker" bush once again shows his total stupidity and his inability of political discussion. "let's kill some people, maybe it helps"...
sometimes i like NOT being an american.
Why the hell should we give them food? I didn't see them donating blood when the World Trade Center got hit!
If they hate their government so much, they shouldn't support it.
Re:To Those Who Are Screaming For Vengeance
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Even in the heart of the 1980's when we most deeply hated Iran and we accidentally shot down Air Flight 655...
We did not go out into the streets and cheer. We all paused and mourned as the reality of what we had done sunk over us.
Even though our cloaks may be grey rather than white... it is quite clear they are not black.
So do not dare to compare us with those who perpetrated the acts of 9/11.
Re:Innocent bystanders
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> And we are certainly engaging in terrorist activity when, after the Tabilan's air defenses are taken out that we will continue our history hundreds of millions of dollars of humanitarian aid to the Afghani people by air dropping food and medicine to the hundreds of thousands of refugees who have evacuated Kabul and other places.
I bet you will continue your history of EXPLOITING people whose husbands, wives and shildren you've recently killed.
Whose guy is GWB?
I can't hear you!
..Still Don't hear you!
Yes! Industry's GUY!
Check out Bush's supportters, republican supporters. And that huge check they get from Arms industry.
Why for?
For War!
Kill'em'All I say!
GWB is Puppet. Puppet of industry of killing automatization.
This is really sad. Who is benefitting from this? Those who lost their loves? Or those who just sold 5'000 $2M missiles to be stuck into camels arse?
Put your thinking cap on, please.
(oh yeah an please mod me down because you want everything USA to be so pretty!)
"And we were no better than Germany when innocent civilians were killed by American bombing."
What about the innocent Jews, Gypsies, Russians, Poles, Serbians, Croats, French, Christan Scientists, Danes, Dutch that were overrun, killed, raped, gased and tortured by the Germans when the Allies did none of that?
The bombing of Germany and Japan is a bad comparison for "whos better".
Did the US or Commonwealth forces slaughter 70,000 people when they took Rome or Vienna like the Japanese did at Nanking?
No.
Did the US or Commonwealth gas 6,000,000 Germans at any point?
No.
Did the Germans bomb, burn, rape and murder a vast path across Africa and Europe?
Yes.
Did the Allies carpet bomb German and Japanese cites to slow down German and Japense industrial production, which by 1943 had been dispersed to homes and small businesses?
Yes.
Was that bombing needed?
It can be argued that it was, and that those bombings lead to a quicker end of the war and while it killed many, many Germans and Japanese, it saved many, many other people.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
I don't think our leaders had to tell us that the country was attacked. The jumbo jets flying into the skyscrapers did that just fine.
The barbarians must be destroyed.
-- Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
Re:Whose war?
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The barbarians must be destroyed.
Agreed, how will you do it - gun to the head, sleeping pills, or find a high roof and throw yourself off it?
The start of an endless war
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I'm not NORTH-AMERICAN, but I think that this attack against Afghanistan will turn into a very bad thing.
We are talking about FANATICAL people. Kill them, and more will come. To attack Afghanistan will only raise their hate against American. More fanatical groups/nations can follow...
What USA expects? If they bomb montains trying to destroy the tunnels used by the terrorists, how will Americans be sure if Osama was killed or not? And, if they find it dead, there will still be dozens of Osama's followers that will be feed with anger and hate to plan even more shocking terrorists attacks.
Bomb their power plants, training camps and communication system. Ok, this will freeze Afghanistan counter-actions for a moment, but will it stop terrorists? I doubt it.
North-American citizens will turn into a paranoid society, fearing every ordinary box left aside in a metro station or building. Is that what the Americans expect? This is what we can call "end of terror" ?
I'm not (totally) against the military action against Afghanistan, but I don't see it as a solution - instead, I think that this will make things even worse in long terms.
Re:US economy
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How do you think the great depression ended fucktard? By growing flowers and smoking pot?
do you watch the news, man?
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even some tree hugging cock smoking peacenik like yourself is the enemy to them. You're next buddy (as far as the Taliban is concerned) and having binladen OPENLY threaten us, take credit for attacks, and other shit over the past 10 years is reason enough.
Re:It is time...
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2) Engage in brief conversation, ask if military force is appropriate.
The people I know that are members of the "anti-war movement" are not opposed to military force. They're opposed to bombing the shit out of innocent, hungry refugees in tents in the desert. Multimillion-dollar cruise missile vs. tents. Incredibly silly unless it's the right tent. They're also opposed to any kind of prolonged fight against guerillas. As Vietnam, Korea, and Afghanistan in the 80's have taught us, that is not a fight we can win. The Taliban and bin Laden must be displaced or destroyed. But the people of Afganistan are as much victims of their terror as we have been. They should be our allies in this, and any military action must be directed only at the Taliban and bin Laden, and must be accompanied by humanitarian aid to the millions of refugees in the area. Secondly, we must allow the people of Afghanistan to decide the future course of their own country. Funding one militant group against another and setting up puppet governments is what got us into this situation (we funded the Taliban against the russians in the 80's), and is in general why everyone in the middle east hates our meddling butts, and I don't blame them.
The United States and its allies should stop pretending to take sides in conflicts in the region and allow them to pursue their own course. Our continued support of Isreal has been and continues to be a major sticking point for the region. But helping the other side(s) is not the solution. It's none of our fucking business.
We must protect ourselves against terrorists. But NOT by manipulating and destroying the entire region of the world that hates us. If we're not extrememly careful in our actions, we will create far more enemies in the region than we have now.
We should take a hint from post-WWII actions with Germany and Japan, who are now two of our greatest allies and economic partners. We must commit resources to the region to ensure their economic future of the region.
--Bob
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Bullshit moral equivalency
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Your statement is ridiculous. The Taliban has declared itself by its actions to be an enemy of the United States by harboring a known terrorist who has had thousands of US citizens killed for nothing more than being US citizens.
You can take your moral equivalency bullshit and choke on it. This is real life dumbass, not some classroom debate. They were warned about what we were going to do if they didn't turn the terrorists over and they didn't do anything but threaten us and try to delay.
We didn't attack without warning, they did. Actions come with consequences and it is time that these people learned that.
I don't welcome the deaths of innocents, but I'm not going play the moral equivalance game. We're in the right, no question about it. This is a fight, and we have to win.
Re:It is time...
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I desperately want to agree with you. Really, I do. The United States has a long tradition of doing very nasty bloody things under the name of "patriotism" or "defending liberty" or what-have-you. Vietnam comes readily to mind. I really want to believe that this is one of those times when we should be casting about for an olive branch instead of a rifle, because peace is the best solution.
I really do want to agree with you, but I can't. This is one of those rare times when violence is our only option. We did not choose this conflict. We did not select whether or not to fight. Our attackers made no demands, and therefore we must assume that they wish only our destruction. You speak of our "demands on a non-negotiable billet". Our attackers did not even attempt a diplomatic solution to their grievance before slaughtering our civilians. Not only that, but they did not even give us terms by which they would stop attacks. We have been painted into a corner, and we lash out because it is our last option.
Really, what would you have us do? Doing nothing will simply cost us more lives, as the terrorist attcks continue. Continued diplomacy seems fruitless, as the Bin Laden has made his stance quite clear: His version of Islam cannot co-exist with other cultures, or even less militant versions of Islam. More to the point, he will not be sated until we have been violently subdued. He has left us no room for negotiation, and so we must fight.
War is a nasty, brutal, ugly thing. I wish to my core that we could avoid it. However, this is not the "Imperialistic U.S." slaughtering civilians to protect our "national interests". This is self-defense in a fight that we did not start.
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Re:More needless loss of life.
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"That isn't religions fault if it has been abused."
Early christians started it. Don't believe the propaganda -- christianity didn't just have a few bad historical episodes such as the inquisition. It started right after it began to spread to the roman empire. Before Xtians, Rome enjoyed a relative freedom of religion. Then came the Xtians, and they began forcing people to convertion, and generally just killing so called "pagans" anyway.
Re:It is time...
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"Having your own thoughts and the right to express them is one of many things that makes this country great, but there comes a time and place where you need to support your country (and military) first. So far these groups have not done anything wrong yet...I would hate to see things degrade to their status durring the Vietnam war days."
If people should not protest wars and give "support", then what exactly are we fighting for? In the end, isn't the ability to disagree and voice your opinion freely one of the main goals in "defending freedom"?
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Burn Hollywood Burn
Re:you're exaggerating the claims
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As I remember it:
Taliban: We have Bin Laden under such tight control since before the WTC attack that he couldn't use a cellphone, and he doesn't have the resources to have possibly mounted such an attack!
US: Bullshit. We've monitored his communications, and he has a quarter-billion dollar personal fortune and contributions from supporters throughout the arab world. We see his training camps on satellite.
Taliban: Uhh... Oops! We lost him! We have no idea where he is!
US: Bullshit.
Taliban: Gosh, we suddenly have him under our complete control again... uh, no, we won't turn him over to you for killing thousands of your citizens... We'll... uh... We'll try him in an Islamic court if you'll just reveal everything about how you're gathering your intelligence against him - that is, an Islamic court as the Taliban defines Islam, of course, and agree to recognize us as the legit givernment of Afghanistan, which we stole fair and square, yeah, that's the ticket....
US: Bullshit. Sorry, you had your chance...
Screw all this moral posturing
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All of these people bashing the U.S. and claiming it's our expansionist foreign policy to blame for all this need to get a clue. If the U.S. wasn't around, you wouldn't be here to complain about it. Are you European? You'd be speaking German, and not speaking your mind. Are you from Asia or Australia? Welcome to the Japanese empire. Fifty years ago, Americans went and fought and died to keep your countries free. There wasn't a whole lot of complaining about American interventionism then.
And as for all of this supposed interventionism. Who created Israel? Who invaded Africa and China and India and Viet Nam and the Middle East and established colonies and set the stage for all of this hatred of the West? It was European colonialism, not American, that got these messes started. Yes, it's ancient history, and it really doesn't matter any more, but before you go pointing fingers at the U.S. be sure to look at your own hands. They aren't clean.
For nearly the entire twentieth century, America has sent its soldiers to fight and die to support its friends. These wars were never started by us, but it was up to us to finish them. The current conflict is no different. Once again Americans are dying for the sins of other countries. And once again, we're going to end the wars that someone else has started.
Not the way!! SORRY!!
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There will be no peace until every raghead, kike, nigger, indian, chink, jap, etc are DESTROYED.
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
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Its Sand Nigger Season
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Hot Damn! Its time to blow up some dunecoon.
Re:It is time...
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and our government has been more than willing to resolve this situation in a peaceful matter
Give us this citizen, without any proff, or we are going to bomb you. We are going to attack all harbours of Terrorism. If you arent with us your a Terrorist.
Sounds really 'peacefull' dosnt it...
God what a bunch of fucking bastards
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On Sept. 11 you fuckers where all waving the flag saying that the US needs to stomp some ass. Now we have and "oh don't go pick on them poor people."
Fuck'em and fuck you too. They started this fucking thing. You sandniggers called the tune on the 11th, now lets see if you camel fuckers can dance. You mother fuckers started this and by god we're going end it.
When you pray raghead maybe it should go like this.
"Oh alla we fucked up..."
"Oh alla help us, we fucked up...."
"We fucked up and now Uncle Sam is going to stomp a mud hole in our sorry asses..."
Re:Not that big?
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I believe the proper term is "Sand Nigger".
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Kill All Muslims--even US citizens
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They are a poison internally, and are the source of more potential attacks. Kill them, lest they beget more attackers. We must be strong and do this. We are in the religious war predicted in the bible. Jesus will be returning and we must destroy the false religion of Islam, and kill it's Baal-worshoping adherents
Re:It is time...
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Actually, they promised to hand him over to a Muslim court, presumably one with the "Not Guilty" rubber-stamp all ready and waiting.
As opposed to a Western court with the "Guilty" rubber-stamp all ready and waiting?
No, as opposed to a Western court wherein Johnny Cochran and abuncha bleeding-heart liberals will shit themselves to make sure he gets 20 hours of community service if found guilty, but preferably to see that he is declared innocent and a hero of the people.
All courts are biased, but I know which one I trust to render a fairer judgement, as opposed to delivering a rubber-stamp verdict.
In case you weren't aware of it, it is usual for trials to be held in the locale where the crime was committed, rather than in the back yard of the defendant. And I am not aware of any reason why special, preferential treatment should be granted in this particular case.
And anyway, if somebody's biased court is to be used it might as well be mine, eh?
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The US expects no such thing you fucking twit, which is why all of this handwringing on this board about "evidence" and "show the Taliban the proof" is about the stupidest thing I've ever seen. You have been brainwashed by your grade school teacher's admonishments to "get along" and "violence never solved anything" crap. Sorry, schoolyard psychology does not work in the real world of nation-state diplomacy.
The Taliban would no more hand over bin Laden than the US would hand over Henry Kissinger. It's a question of "You want him? Come and get him over our dead bodies." Behind all of the diplomatic rhetoric from the Taliban about neutral Islamic trials and needing proof, that's what it all boils down to. The Taliban knows it and so does the US.
No matter what the proof, you're a naive sucker if you honestly think the Taliban would hand bin Laden over to anybody.
Re:More needless loss of life.
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So General Eisenhower is a crackpot? Read my fucking post? Are you fucking blind?
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Killing innocent people is not the way to stop terrorism. It will just spawn new hatred.
are we going to kill them? That is mean. We should not bomb them. We should send missionaries in and convert them to christianity, the REAL religion.
It's about time we bombed that camel-fucker. I'd love to see the look on his face when he finds out there is no Paradise or 83 virgins or whatever. SHAVE THAT UGLY ASS BEARD YOU SOON-TO-BE-DEAD PIECE OF SHIT!
It just doesn't feel like a Slashdot armed forces update withut the obligatory moronic and uninformed statement from Michael. C'mon, I wanna hear him condemning what's happening today and regretting that nobody's learning from the advice of old British and Soviet soldiers!
an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind but umm, they deserve to burn, starve, have their women raped, etc.
"When all the buildings fall, pimpin still gone stand tall" - Ricky D
I piss on Mecca. I menstruate on the Koran. I shit on Mohammed.
Burn, Muslim, Burn!
Hi, Osama! Kindly shut the fuck up now, mmmkay?
Wow, U. Arizona will accept anyone!
It hurts me to think down to your level, but what would you do in retaliation? Nothing? Let the Taliban harbor bin Laden until he can get his hand on chemical, biological, or nuclear devices?
Yeah, a world war because the Taliban just has so many supporters. Seriously man, why do you have to be so fucking stupid?
Here's hoping we pound the shit out of the bastards responsible for the terrorist attacks, as opposed to anyone our cruise missiles can reach. That said, I feel compelled to point out again: YAH!!!!! GO USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm the stranger...posting to
Spoken like someone looking for any reason to slam Bush, even if it's to the detriment of his or her own country. Way to stay true to form, mate!
Are you taking the piss? Bush read the whole thing from autoque - he was wooden, dull and moronic. TRhe day you guys vote in something beyond the common house fly is the day I'll move back to the US.
No kidding. Let's turn those fuckers into a big glass parking lot. They killed my brother.
I want to convey my good wishes and thankfulness to all members of the US military and our allies as they embark on this great mission to preserve my freedom, and the freedom of the world.
Thank you.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
The first time some millitary general makes some dumb-ass staement like collateral damage is enivitable we should all remember that's exactly how the terrorists perceived the victims of the WTC attrocity. We are no better.
No cave is too deep, no desert too far. Your time is up.
Check list for Muslims:
- Bend over.
- Put your head between your legs.
- Kiss your ass^g^h^h Mohammed goodbye.
We will wrap you in pig skin and stuff your sorry Muslim ass corpses with pork lard.Yay! Death and destruction! So when are the ter'ists gonna start nuking USia's cities!? Bioattack! Bioattack! Bioattack!
dont talk shit ... if you really believe this, you better get picked up and stored in the loony-house ... only if CCN only shows dead soldiers that only says that many civilians were killed ... for God's sake most of them already fleed ... do you think killing humans is spiritually argumentable ???
How ignorant can you be? I can live with the fact that you have absolutely no knowledge about anything outside the US borders but this still doesn't excuse the fact that you must have been hidden in a hole not watching the news for the last month. bin Laden is a billionaire. That's with a 'b'. Doesn't take a rocket scientist why the Taliban doesn't want to give it up eh? Why don't you read the news you've been avoiding and figure out the military assets they have before you waste my air anymore?
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This is a war of inteligence, eleet commandos, delta force, sas etc.
I guess all that h4x0ring has gotten to your spelling eh?
Photos.
> God help those we target
/. instead of watching the news...
Yes indeed.
God help those YOU target.
I really think it's unbelievable that US uses air strikes AGAIN. Didn't you learn anything from your history?
Air strikes will ALWAYS kill INNOCENT PEOPLE.
The only way to kill even nearly "guilty" people is to bring them in front of court.
Praying for those you're BOMBING is a little bit LAME, because your OWN GOD FORBIDS KILLING. I say this again for those who DIDN'T get it from first round: Your own god forbids killing!
Why Are you Killing?
Where's that stuff about turning another cheek?
I consider Bush MURDERER that should be brought in ront of court. Preferably in Texas, so he could be DEATH-SENTENCED, from ALIKES.
> and isn't it sad I am reading
And isn't it sad people are DYING in Afghanistan?
fucktard is a tenderhearted description
One more moronic god loving american. And you dare call yourself a free country when everything you do needs to have crap like "god", "prayers" and "holy" in it.
The majority of the Non-Islamic world has deluded itself into believing that the principles of Islam are tolerant in nature. This misconception is heightened when people think that the fault lies with only a handful of misguided Muslims who are not adhering to Islamic principles and hence indulge in terrorism. It is time for the entire world to realise that Islam by its very nature and through its essential principles openly supports, encourages and propogates Terrorism of the worst kind. Therefore the Islamic terrorist is in fact the most devout Muslim, because he is following exactly what Islam teaches through the Divine Koran. It is this very Koran which is considered by Muslims to be the holy word of their Allah himself. The Koran functions as the central terrorist manual that urges them to slaughter, rape, torture, pillage, mutilate and molest all Non-Muslims.
The Muslim is exhorted by their GOD to kill, mutilate, molest, rape and steal. This repetitive conditioning of the mind is performed by indoctrinating the Koranic Surahs in every Muslim child at Madarsas (Islamic schools). The Muslim child daily memorizes the Koranic Surahs which exhort him/her to murder, violence, hatred and crime against every Non-Muslim. The Muslim child learns to hate Non-Muslims, before he loses his first tooth. The doctrines that are forced down his throat are so deeply embedded in the child's mind, that he cannot view the world in any other perspective except as a composition of Muslims and Kafirs (Infidel). It is also made clear to the child that ALL Kafirs (Non-Muslims) are evil by their very nature and that it is every Muslim's moral and religious duty to either convert all the Kafirs to Islam by force or Kill each and every one of them.
Imagine being forced to watch the most violent scenes imaginable, day in and day out throughout your childhood and then being told by your elders that all that violence is Allah's will. Imagine being told that to be a good Muslim, you MUST commit the same violent and heinous actions as the barbaric Prophet Mohammed or else be prepared to be damned and go to hell for not performing your religious duty. Is it any wonder that in every corner of the world, terrorism is synonomous with Islam ? Any Muslim child or adult who dares to question the criminal and violent nature of the acts sanctioned by Allah and perpetrated by Mohammed, is threatened with the direst consequences. Any Muslim daring to question the authority of the Koran is immediately silenced by force. Therefore it is hardly surprising that all Muslims grow up to become direct or indirect supporters of Terrorism and Violent Crime against Non-Muslims (And many times against other Muslims as well). Intolerance, Hatred, Violence, Fundamentalism, Fascism and Ignorance are inculcated into every Muslim's child's head before he can even pronounce the alphabet.
To get an idea of what kind of conditioning the Muslim mind undergoes, one need only open the Koran. Every chapter is brimming over with hatred, ruthlessness, cruelty and the sort of invective that would make the Ku Klux Klan shake in their shoes. Since the verses espousing violence in the Koran are so numerous, I can only quote a few of the most horrifying ones at a time. The exceptionally cruel, sadistic and violent nature of Mohammed's motivations and Allah's inspirations spill out through every Verse in the Koran. I will let the words speak for themselves:
Koran 17:16-17
When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet transgress; so that Allah's word is proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly. How many generations have we destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see the Sins of his servants
Here Allah, the God of the Muslims is clearly stating the exact method that he adopts when he commits genocide of an entire POPULATION. And why does Allah decide to destroy entire populations? Simply because they don't believe in Allah and so Allah will kill them all, to take revenge. Next Allah is indulging in an unbelievable display of conceit. He is actually BOASTING about how many generations he has destroyed after Noah. If Allah had a list of his merits, no doubt genocide of numerous generations of people would top his list. Allah enjoys watching the annhilation of thousands of Non-Muslims at the hands of his pious followers, the Muslims.
Koran 8:37
In order that Allah may seperate the impure from the pure, Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim), one on top of the another in a Heap and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost
The "All-Merciful Allah" is now specifically instructing all "peace-loving Muslims" to heap up a mountain of corpses of the non believers. Of course, in order to do this holy task for Allah, the Muslim must first go out and attack innocent Non-Muslims and massacre them so that Allah's wishes are fulfilled. Allah seems to have an inexhaustible thirst for the blood of innocents. Note that the reason given to massacre non-believers is that "Allah may seperate the Impure from the Pure". It has nothing to do with self-defense or protection as Muslims try to argue. The explicit purpose for this heinous crime is so that Allah can easily differentiate between the Muslims and Non-Muslims. This way it becomes a lot easier for Allah and his angelic helpers to dump the heaps of murdered Non-Muslims into Hellfire.
Koran 21:11
How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their inequities, setting up in their place other peoples
Again Allah is boasting about his amazing exploits such as genocide and displacement of innocent people. The justification for this crime is that these innocent people had "inequities". Apparently any community which is not Muslim is full of inequities by Islamic definition and therefore fair game for all pious Muslims to massacre and plunder.
Koran 2:8-10
In their (Non-Muslims) hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease and grievous is the penalty they will incur, because they are false.
So Allah not only exhorts Muslims to kill all the non-believers, he also strikes down the surviving ones with disease and pain. Any good Muslim must surely carry out their beloved Allah's word. In fact Allah's word seems to be very much in effect in today's world. This is why one sees pious, Allah-loving Muslims like Saddam Hussain nursing factories that make weapons of biological and chemical warfare. Saddam is complying perfectly with Allah's wishes to the letter when he manufactures strains of deadly viruses to be unleashed on unsuspecting non-believers like the Israelis and Americans. He has secured a place in Islamic "Jannat" (Paradise) for himself by following Allah's orders so religiously.
Koran 58:5
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as were those before them: for we have already sent down Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger" obviously refers to anyone who is not a Muslim. Therefore every Non-Muslim must be crushed to death by the holy edict of Allah. No doubt it was this very verse which must have served as a motivation for those pious Muslims who bombed the World Trade Center. Allah must have been extremely pleased to watch all those innocent Non-Muslims being crumbled to death.
Koran 44:43-50
Verily the Tree of Zaqqum will be the food of the sinful. Like molten brass it will boil in their insides, Like the boiling of scalding water Seize Ye Him and drag him into the midst of the blazing Fire Then pour over his head the penalty of Boiling Water
One shudders to imagine the kind of effects such a torture manual has on the impressionable mind of a young Muslim child. Is it any wonder that so many of them grow up into hardened criminals who possess a distorted, sadistic and perverted psyche. Repeated exposure to and encouragement of the thoughts expressed in this verse would surely inculcate violence in the very core of a child's being. This description of Hell for the Non-Muslims has been the model for every pious Muslim in the past and present. In India, Sikh Gurus were tortured to death in exactly the same fashion. They were boiled to death in a cauldron of scalding liquid. On April 20, 1998 in Udhampur, India, over 30 innocent Kashmiri Hindu men, women and children were burnt alive in exactly the horrific manner sanctioned by the "Most merciful and All-Forgiving Allah", for refusing to convert to Islam.
The above verses are only the tip of the iceberg. Any deluded Non-Muslim who thinks that Islam is the religion of peace and that it is only misguided Muslims who commit terrorism and atrocities, can pick up an English translation of the Koran from any bookstore and refer to these Verses (Surahs). If, even after reading these Surahs, you are foolhardy enough not to realise the facts that I have explained, then here is a list of Allah's plans for you. All of these punishments befit you by default if you happen to be a Non-Muslim. Even a mass murderer will eventually attain Pardise if he is Muslim, wheras any Non-Muslim, even if he happens to be a Saint is eternally damned to Hellfire by Allah's decree. In Allah's own immortal words:
Koran 2:39
Those who reject faith (Islam) and belie our signs, They shall be Companions of the Fire and abide in it.
Koran 2:89-90
The Curse of Allah is on those without faith (in Islam) Thus have they drawn wrath upon wrath on themselves and humiliating is the punishment of those who reject faith (Islam)
Koran 5:33
The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is : Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land
Koran 9:35
On the day when Heat will be produced out of the wealth in the Fire of Hell, and with it will be branded their foreheads, their sides and their backs- "This is the treasure that ye buried for yourselves, taste ye then the treasures that ye buried."
This verse is referring to those people who don't spend their money in the way prescribed by Allah. Obviously if you happen to be a Non-Muslim, you don't spend money in the ways that the Muslim Allah prescribes, so this is the fate you are heading for. Beware All Ye Filthy Capitalists of America! This Surah's for you.
Koran 8:50
If you could see when the angels take the souls of the Unbelievers at death. How they smite their faces and backs saying "Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire"
Even the angels will be doing Allah's dirty work for him. The Merciful Allah does not discriminate among his Muslim followers. Everyone starting from the Muslim Bum to the Angel gets a chance to maim, mutilate and kill Non-Believers. Allah is truly just and Merciful!
If you do happen to pick up that copy of the Koran as I mentioned, don't expect your fate to improve, unless you become a Muslim. Allah doesn't want Non-believers to understand the Koran. This is quite understandable on Allah's part, because any self-respecting human being who reads the Koran will be revolted at the violence and sadism espoused in it. Is it any wonder that Muslims don't want Non-Muslims to read or discuss any part of the Koran? They are afraid, that anyone who reads it will soon realise the true nature of Islam, which is genocide sanctioned by religion.
Here Allah explains that Non-Muslims will never be allowed to understand the Koran:
Koran 17:46-47
And we put coverings over their hearts and minds, lest they should understand the Koran, and we put deafness in their ears; when you commemorate your Lord (Allah) and Him alone in the Koran
If a Non-Muslim cannot understand the Koran, how is he/she expected to convert to Islam on their own accord? This is obviously an admission on Allah's part that people can be converted to Islam only by violent force, because he has ensured that they cannot understand it via reading the Koran. For any Non-Muslim to understand the Koran would be absolutely counterproductive to Islam. Muslims have hidden the truth from Non-Muslims for ages. It is a fact that the available English translations of the Koran do not contain many of the original Arabic Verses. Many particular verses were edited and changed by Muslims, because they were just too violent and explicitly revealed the brutal and barbaric nature of Islam.
The Koran is a psychological manual that incites hatred and violence in the reader. It was specifically designed for this very purpose, so that the Prophet Mohammed could carry on his tradition of Genocide and Terrorism, long after his death. The entire recorded history of Muslims is a testament to this fact.
Anyone who supports the Taliban is either:
1. A synchophant who will support a pig head on a stick if it says it's the boss
or
2. A power-hungry asshole who is so full of hate that they want to screw over the world to hang on to thier power.
We don't need to worry about #1, and #2 deserves to die.
I and I are very calmed to see that most of the postings still are realistic ... a week ago i thought of stop reading /. for this topic , for most postings were very fantic and KREIGSGEIL !! (hornyforwar) ... I know NOBODY wants war .. they only want to see those people killed .. without being influenced in their all-day-business ... but there are no innocents anymore ... God save the victims .. and help them all coming home !!! ... in the next days many of us will be gone again ...
Food for thought: 1) Approach someone talking about "peace" and saying things like "there should be no retaliation." 2) Engage in brief conversation, ask if military force is appropriate. 3) When he says "No," ask, "Why not?" 4) Wait until he says something to the effect of, "Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence." 5) When he's in mid sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can. 6) When he gets back up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would, "be awful and he should not cause more violence." 7) Wait until he agrees that he has pledged not to commit additional violence. 8) Punch him in the face again, harder this time. Repeat steps 5 through 8 until they understand that sometimes it is necessary to punch back.
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your a towelhead yourself arent you?
their military infrastructure cannot come close to formadable against the U.S.
and if you couldnt tell, i was trying to be funny. pull the koran out of your ass and lighten up.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows - Bart Simpson
Oh, for fuck's sake.
We should go over to those Muslim countries, kill their leaders, and convert their population to Christianity.
Shit! Thank God for that. I was pretty sure the CIA must have a satellite that shows who all the really evil ones are, but thanks for confirming it.
As for God punishing those that the US targets, well buddy, don't worry too much about that. You see God is omnipotent, unlike the USA, so we can all be pretty sure he will act justly. But, hey, you gotta wonder why he lets all those innocent people die all the time. I dunno, maybe they aren't so innocent or something. Boy, this whole good/evil thing is a brain-ache. Let's just nuke 'em!!
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No cave is too deep, no desert too far. Your tim is up.
Check list for Muslims:
- Bend over.
- Put your
head between your legs.
- Kiss your sorry asshole^h^h^h^h^h Mohammed
goodbye.
We will wrap you in pig skin and stuff your sorry shit faced Muslim corpses with pork lard.No cave is too deep, no desert too far. Your time is up.
Check listfor Muslims:
- Bend over.
- Put your
head between your legs.
- Kiss your sorry asshole^h^h^h^h^h Mohammed
goodbye.
We will wrap you in pig skin and stuff your sorry shit faced Muslim corpses with pork lard.What's the difference between Afghanistan and Christmas?
Christmas will be here in December!
That is correct. Osama Bin Laden is the terminator, crossed with the energizer bunny.
What is more, the Taliban are not actually people, instead they are fanatical monsters who will not stop until every American is dead. Come to think of it all of America's enemies are like that.
Take the Japanese. During WWII they killed innocent American civilians by suicidally crashing planes into their boats. America had to respond then with target nuclear strikes against their terror bases in the remote Nagasaki and Hiroshima regions of Japan. Those fanatical people would not stop until every American was dead. That is why even today Japanese people are constantly try to kill Americans. It just goes to show these evil men of hate will never change. What is currently unclear though, is that when the US has military bases in Kabul, the marines will prefer gang raping little Afghan girls in their yashmaks more than those cute Japanese girls in their white socks. It's a tough one but I'm sure the US military is thinking hard about it.
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great, george "wanker" bush once again shows his total stupidity and his inability of political discussion. "let's kill some people, maybe it helps"...
sometimes i like NOT being an american.
Why the hell should we give them food? I didn't see them donating blood when the World Trade Center got hit!
If they hate their government so much, they shouldn't support it.
Even in the heart of the 1980's when we most deeply hated Iran and we accidentally shot down Air Flight 655...
We did not go out into the streets and cheer. We all paused and mourned as the reality of what we had done sunk over us.
Even though our cloaks may be grey rather than white... it is quite clear they are not black.
So do not dare to compare us with those who perpetrated the acts of 9/11.
> And we are certainly engaging in terrorist activity when, after the Tabilan's air defenses are taken out that we will continue our history hundreds of millions of dollars of humanitarian aid to the Afghani people by air dropping food and medicine to the hundreds of thousands of refugees who have evacuated Kabul and other places.
I bet you will continue your history of EXPLOITING people whose husbands, wives and shildren you've recently killed.
Whose guy is GWB?
I can't hear you!
..Still Don't hear you!
Yes! Industry's GUY!
Check out Bush's supportters, republican supporters. And that huge check they get from Arms industry.
Why for?
For War!
Kill'em'All I say!
GWB is Puppet. Puppet of industry of killing automatization.
This is really sad. Who is benefitting from this? Those who lost their loves? Or those who just sold 5'000 $2M missiles to be stuck into camels arse?
Put your thinking cap on, please.
(oh yeah an please mod me down because you want everything USA to be so pretty!)
fucktard is a tenderhearted description
"And we were no better than Germany when innocent civilians were killed by American bombing."
What about the innocent Jews, Gypsies, Russians, Poles, Serbians, Croats, French, Christan Scientists, Danes, Dutch that were overrun, killed, raped, gased and tortured by the Germans when the Allies did none of that?
The bombing of Germany and Japan is a bad comparison for "whos better".
Did the US or Commonwealth forces slaughter 70,000 people when they took Rome or Vienna like the Japanese did at Nanking?
No.
Did the US or Commonwealth gas 6,000,000 Germans at any point?
No.
Did the Germans bomb, burn, rape and murder a vast path across Africa and Europe?
Yes.
Did the Allies carpet bomb German and Japanese cites to slow down German and Japense industrial production, which by 1943 had been dispersed to homes and small businesses?
Yes.
Was that bombing needed?
It can be argued that it was, and that those bombings lead to a quicker end of the war and while it killed many, many Germans and Japanese, it saved many, many other people.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
I don't think our leaders had to tell us that the country was attacked. The jumbo jets flying into the skyscrapers did that just fine.
The barbarians must be destroyed.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
The barbarians must be destroyed.
Agreed, how will you do it - gun to the head, sleeping pills, or find a high roof and throw yourself off it?
I'm not NORTH-AMERICAN, but I think that this attack against Afghanistan will turn into a very bad thing.
We are talking about FANATICAL people. Kill them, and more will come. To attack Afghanistan will only raise their hate against American. More fanatical groups/nations can follow...
What USA expects? If they bomb montains trying to destroy the tunnels used by the terrorists, how will Americans be sure if Osama was killed or not? And, if they find it dead, there will still be dozens of Osama's followers that will be feed with anger and hate to plan even more shocking terrorists attacks.
Bomb their power plants, training camps and communication system. Ok, this will freeze Afghanistan counter-actions for a moment, but will it stop terrorists? I doubt it.
North-American citizens will turn into a paranoid society, fearing every ordinary box left aside in a metro station or building. Is that what the Americans expect? This is what we can call "end of terror" ?
I'm not (totally) against the military action against Afghanistan, but I don't see it as a solution - instead, I think that this will make things even worse in long terms.
How do you think the great depression ended fucktard? By growing flowers and smoking pot?
even some tree hugging cock smoking peacenik like yourself is the enemy to them. You're next buddy (as far as the Taliban is concerned) and having binladen OPENLY threaten us, take credit for attacks, and other shit over the past 10 years is reason enough.
The people I know that are members of the "anti-war movement" are not opposed to military force. They're opposed to bombing the shit out of innocent, hungry refugees in tents in the desert. Multimillion-dollar cruise missile vs. tents. Incredibly silly unless it's the right tent. They're also opposed to any kind of prolonged fight against guerillas. As Vietnam, Korea, and Afghanistan in the 80's have taught us, that is not a fight we can win. The Taliban and bin Laden must be displaced or destroyed. But the people of Afganistan are as much victims of their terror as we have been. They should be our allies in this, and any military action must be directed only at the Taliban and bin Laden, and must be accompanied by humanitarian aid to the millions of refugees in the area. Secondly, we must allow the people of Afghanistan to decide the future course of their own country. Funding one militant group against another and setting up puppet governments is what got us into this situation (we funded the Taliban against the russians in the 80's), and is in general why everyone in the middle east hates our meddling butts, and I don't blame them.
The United States and its allies should stop pretending to take sides in conflicts in the region and allow them to pursue their own course. Our continued support of Isreal has been and continues to be a major sticking point for the region. But helping the other side(s) is not the solution. It's none of our fucking business.
We must protect ourselves against terrorists. But NOT by manipulating and destroying the entire region of the world that hates us. If we're not extrememly careful in our actions, we will create far more enemies in the region than we have now.
We should take a hint from post-WWII actions with Germany and Japan, who are now two of our greatest allies and economic partners. We must commit resources to the region to ensure their economic future of the region.
--Bob
1^2=1; (-1)^2=1; 1^2=(-1)^2; 1=-1; 1=0.
Your statement is ridiculous. The Taliban has declared itself by its actions to be an enemy of the United States by harboring a known terrorist who has had thousands of US citizens killed for nothing more than being US citizens.
You can take your moral equivalency bullshit and choke on it. This is real life dumbass, not some classroom debate. They were warned about what we were going to do if they didn't turn the terrorists over and they didn't do anything but threaten us and try to delay.
We didn't attack without warning, they did. Actions come with consequences and it is time that these people learned that.
I don't welcome the deaths of innocents, but I'm not going play the moral equivalance game. We're in the right, no question about it. This is a fight, and we have to win.
I desperately want to agree with you. Really, I do. The United States has a long tradition of doing very nasty bloody things under the name of "patriotism" or "defending liberty" or what-have-you. Vietnam comes readily to mind. I really want to believe that this is one of those times when we should be casting about for an olive branch instead of a rifle, because peace is the best solution.
I really do want to agree with you, but I can't. This is one of those rare times when violence is our only option. We did not choose this conflict. We did not select whether or not to fight. Our attackers made no demands, and therefore we must assume that they wish only our destruction. You speak of our "demands on a non-negotiable billet". Our attackers did not even attempt a diplomatic solution to their grievance before slaughtering our civilians. Not only that, but they did not even give us terms by which they would stop attacks. We have been painted into a corner, and we lash out because it is our last option.
Really, what would you have us do? Doing nothing will simply cost us more lives, as the terrorist attcks continue. Continued diplomacy seems fruitless, as the Bin Laden has made his stance quite clear: His version of Islam cannot co-exist with other cultures, or even less militant versions of Islam. More to the point, he will not be sated until we have been violently subdued. He has left us no room for negotiation, and so we must fight.
War is a nasty, brutal, ugly thing. I wish to my core that we could avoid it. However, this is not the "Imperialistic U.S." slaughtering civilians to protect our "national interests". This is self-defense in a fight that we did not start.
This
"That isn't religions fault if it has been abused."
Early christians started it. Don't believe the propaganda -- christianity didn't just have a few bad historical episodes such as the inquisition. It started right after it began to spread to the roman empire. Before Xtians, Rome enjoyed a relative freedom of religion. Then came the Xtians, and they began forcing people to convertion, and generally just killing so called "pagans" anyway.
If people should not protest wars and give "support", then what exactly are we fighting for? In the end, isn't the ability to disagree and voice your opinion freely one of the main goals in "defending freedom"?
Burn Hollywood Burn
As I remember it:
Taliban: We have Bin Laden under such tight control since before the WTC attack that he couldn't use a cellphone, and he doesn't have the resources to have possibly mounted such an attack!
US: Bullshit. We've monitored his communications, and he has a quarter-billion dollar personal fortune and contributions from supporters throughout the arab world. We see his training camps on satellite.
Taliban: Uhh... Oops! We lost him! We have no idea where he is!
US: Bullshit.
Taliban: Gosh, we suddenly have him under our complete control again... uh, no, we won't turn him over to you for killing thousands of your citizens... We'll... uh... We'll try him in an Islamic court if you'll just reveal everything about how you're gathering your intelligence against him - that is, an Islamic court as the Taliban defines Islam, of course, and agree to recognize us as the legit givernment of Afghanistan, which we stole fair and square, yeah, that's the ticket....
US: Bullshit. Sorry, you had your chance...
All of these people bashing the U.S. and claiming it's our expansionist foreign policy to blame for all this need to get a clue. If the U.S. wasn't around, you wouldn't be here to complain about it. Are you European? You'd be speaking German, and not speaking your mind. Are you from Asia or Australia? Welcome to the Japanese empire. Fifty years ago, Americans went and fought and died to keep your countries free. There wasn't a whole lot of complaining about American interventionism then.
And as for all of this supposed interventionism. Who created Israel? Who invaded Africa and China and India and Viet Nam and the Middle East and established colonies and set the stage for all of this hatred of the West? It was European colonialism, not American, that got these messes started. Yes, it's ancient history, and it really doesn't matter any more, but before you go pointing fingers at the U.S. be sure to look at your own hands. They aren't clean.
For nearly the entire twentieth century, America has sent its soldiers to fight and die to support its friends. These wars were never started by us, but it was up to us to finish them. The current conflict is no different. Once again Americans are dying for the sins of other countries. And once again, we're going to end the wars that someone else has started.
There will be no peace until every raghead, kike, nigger, indian, chink, jap, etc are DESTROYED.
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
WHITE POWER!
Hot Damn! Its time to blow up some dunecoon.
and our government has been more than willing to resolve this situation in a peaceful matter
Give us this citizen, without any proff, or we are going to bomb you. We are going to attack all harbours of Terrorism. If you arent with us your a Terrorist.
Sounds really 'peacefull' dosnt it...
On Sept. 11 you fuckers where all waving the flag saying that the US needs to stomp some ass. Now we have and "oh don't go pick on them poor people."
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Fuck'em and fuck you too. They started this fucking thing. You sandniggers called the tune on the 11th, now lets see if you camel fuckers can dance. You mother fuckers started this and by god we're going end it.
When you pray raghead maybe it should go like this.
"Oh alla we fucked up..."
"Oh alla help us, we fucked up
"We fucked up and now Uncle Sam is going to stomp a mud hole in our sorry asses..."
I believe the proper term is "Sand Nigger".
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Your honor is perfectly understandishable.
They are a poison internally, and are the source of more potential attacks. Kill them, lest they beget more attackers. We must be strong and do this. We are in the religious war predicted in the bible. Jesus will be returning and we must destroy the false religion of Islam, and kill it's Baal-worshoping adherents
All courts are biased, but I know which one I trust to render a fairer judgement, as opposed to delivering a rubber-stamp verdict.
In case you weren't aware of it, it is usual for trials to be held in the locale where the crime was committed, rather than in the back yard of the defendant. And I am not aware of any reason why special, preferential treatment should be granted in this particular case.
And anyway, if somebody's biased court is to be used it might as well be mine, eh?
The US expects no such thing you fucking twit, which is why all of this handwringing on this board about "evidence" and "show the Taliban the proof" is about the stupidest thing I've ever seen. You have been brainwashed by your grade school teacher's admonishments to "get along" and "violence never solved anything" crap. Sorry, schoolyard psychology does not work in the real world of nation-state diplomacy.
The Taliban would no more hand over bin Laden than the US would hand over Henry Kissinger. It's a question of "You want him? Come and get him over our dead bodies." Behind all of the diplomatic rhetoric from the Taliban about neutral Islamic trials and needing proof, that's what it all boils down to. The Taliban knows it and so does the US.
No matter what the proof, you're a naive sucker if you honestly think the Taliban would hand bin Laden over to anybody.
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It couldn't be that simple... it *must* be a jewish conspiracy...