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Carbon Magnets At Room Temperature

Bolie writes: "Trying to make high temperature super conductors yielded an unexpected result. The pure carbon bucky ball material was put under pressure to make sheets. That worked. Picture microscopic bubble pack. But the result was a sheet that was magnetic at room temperature. It has not escaped the attention of the discoverer, Tatiana Makarova, that this might be useful for a non-metallic computer memory. The material is also lighter than metals, flexible and transparent. Lasers anyone?"

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  1. Yay Buckyball Experiments by House+of+Usher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First off, I find it hilarious what we physicists end up naming different molecules and ensemble configurations.

    Once again it goes to show that even though we're trying to do the right thing in the lab, sometimes bad things happen, but typically we're able to come out with something in the experiment that is actually worthwhile. Crazy how that works eh?

    Nonetheless, there is some pretty cool research at the University of Virginia in bucky ball related research. If anyone is interested, check out http://www.phys.virginia.edu

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  2. Why the exotic ideas? by evilviper · · Score: 3, Troll

    Why is any new discovery automatically thrown into the PC composnents arena, even when there is no actual connection?

    It's a magnet, think SUPER-MOTOR.

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  3. Transparent? by Psiren · · Score: 5, Funny

    Transparent as in transparent aluminium, ala Trek? Can I build my whale tank now? ;)

  4. Why we will never see it come to market... by motherhead · · Score: 4, Funny

    Also, Makarova's material is flexible and transparent, properties that could make it useful for storing data when a laser is used to record on it. It might also be possible to record data at unprecedented densities.

    Man, this is really going to piss off Hillary Rosen...


  5. Forget about Laser Memory.... by tonywestonuk · · Score: 4, Funny

    What about a new 'cool' translusent colored Fridge magnet!

    1. Re:Forget about Laser Memory.... by G-funk · · Score: 3, Funny

      Funny, except you know this is where it'll end up :-)

      And when we stick the shopping list on the fridge with our imac-coloured see-through magnets, we can tell our kids of the time when magnets had were all made of metal, and they'll look at us funny like we're older than god. I can see it now....

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    2. Re:Forget about Laser Memory.... by FFFish · · Score: 3, Informative

      What about Spherical Magnets ?

      Pretty cool. Now if I could only think of a use for them... :)

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  6. Curie Point by Self+Bias+Resistor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, no. What the article was saying was that the material is the first non-metallic material that was magnetic at room temperature (meaning that other non-magnetic materials weren't, at least not at room temperature). The point about the material being magnetic even above 200C was about the material's Curie point (above which the material stops being magnetic) being much higher than any other material, the previous record being 255C which was held by a different form of buckyballs. So this material is interesting because it's the first non-metallic material to be magnetic at room temperature and has a higher Curie point than any other non-metallic material to date.

    Apparently, the material's magnetism could be linked to unpaired electrons, which can sustain a magnetic field when their spins are aligned (in this case there are unpaired electrons). One possibility is that they bond in triangular groups of three, which would provide for unpaired spins.

    Although, to be used as computer memory it would have to have uniform magnetism, not just in pockets. But either way it's a significant step forward.

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    1. Re:Curie Point by Phrogz · · Score: 4, Informative
      The point about the material being magnetic even above 200C [...] the previous record being 255C which was held by a different form of buckyballs...
      You do realize that the HTML for the article is broken, and that the previous record was -255C, right? Because simple math states that +255 is already greater than +200, right?
  7. Re:250 degrees ? 200 ? by TheMidget · · Score: 3, Informative
    The new magnetic sheet "...is the first non-metallic magnet to work at room temperature."

    "...she found instead that the new material was magnetic even above 200 C. Until now, the highest temperature at which a non-metallic material was magnetic was 255 C."

    Ok, let's take it word after word:
    • room temperature.: Aound 21C.
    • the new material was magnetic even above 200 C..The word "even" seems to imply that it is a feat to go above a certain temperature . Which implies that with higher temperature, materials tend to lose their magnetism (Curie point). Which implies that the material is also magnetic for all temperatures below 200 C. Which includes 21C, i.e. room temperature. Probably, the reason for the strange formulation was that the researcher didn't have any oven handy which went over 200 C, or that any higher temperature fried his magnetism measuring equipment, or whatever. So he was just saying that at 200 C it was keeping its magnetism, and that it was likely that it would keep it even beyond that mark.
    • Until now, the highest temperature at which a non-metallic material was magnetic was 255 C. The words "until now" means "all materials known before" this one was discovered. Meaning that the 255 C refers to a different material. Oh, and btw, 255 C (that's minus 255) is below room temperature.
    So where is the contradiction?
  8. Picture microscopic bubble pack... by morie · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... to wrap microscopic hardware parts. Finally we've found a solution to that one!

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  9. mystery solved by bowb · · Score: 3, Informative

    They used a Soft Hyphen (­ or ­) character instead of a minus sign. Browsers are not supposed to display a Soft Hyphen unless the line is broken at that point.

  10. Carbon chemistry by shawnseat · · Score: 4, Interesting
    One of the reasons buckball chemistry is likely to continue to make surprises is that carbon is one of the few elements (tin being the only other I can recall at the moment) that exists both as a metal -- graphite, and as a nonconductor -- diamond, in stable allotropes at room temperature.


    The interesting thing about buckyballs is that their bonding is somewhat of a cross between the two: it is a polyaromatic (like graphite) but it is a molecular solid (similar to, but not exactly like, diamond).

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    1. Re:Carbon chemistry by Bobo+the+Space+Chimp · · Score: 5, Funny

      Picard: Is it a carbon-based life form?

      Data: No

      Picard: Is it a silicon-based life form?

      Data: No

      Picard: Is it a germanium-based life form?

      Data: No

      Picard: Neon?

      Data: No

      Picard: Uranium?

      Data: You're just guessing, aren't you?

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  11. Buckyballs by AndrewHowe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Has anyone discovered a way to reliably make large quantities of Buckyballs? Last time I looked into it, it was very hard... They were very expensive and only available in small quantities for experimentation.

    1. Re:Buckyballs by nealbutler · · Score: 3, Informative
      Here's a few interesting links on the subject...
      • Here is a not-too-technical report on buckyballs, their properties, etc.
      • According to
      • this article, buckyballs hold the record for highest-temperature superconductor.
      • A report (fairly technical) on research into building buckballs...
      • And
      • here's a report on single buckyball transistors.
      Enjoy! :)
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  12. At the risk of slashdotting them... by nyjx · · Score: 5, Interesting
    More stuff on Buckminster Fullerine (an outstanding name for a molecule if ever there was one!) can be found here:

    Nice one Mr.Buckminster...

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  13. Storage? by Dr_Cheeks · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "....record data at unprecedented densities."

    Right, so yet another possible way to store lots of data. We hear about these all the time (holographic memory, molecular storage etc.), but when are we actually going to get some of this - at the moment everyone still seems to be working on Winchester drives and semiconductor memory.

    Is all this just pie in the sky, or are people actually producing devices that use these exotic storage methods? I figure this is about the best place to ask.

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  14. Good news for NanoTech. by jcr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hooray! One more thing you don't need metals for!

    So far, Carbon is good for hardness (diamond), tensile strength (aramid fiber, buckytubes), lubrication (graphite), electrical conductivity (buckytubes), and now it can even be used for magnetic memory, and presumably for transformer cores, and antennae.

    When NanoTech hits in a big way, I suspect that we'll have a major issue with depletion of atmospheric CO2.

    BTW, anyone know of a form of Carbon for that's good for optical fiber, or do we just continue to rely on Silicon for that?

    -jcr

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  15. Re:250 degrees ? 200 ? by PhilHibbs · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a mistake in the HTML, the 250 should be -250, but they put a soft hyphen in instead of a minus sign or a dash.

  16. Re:Fast writes, slow reads? by wyldeling · · Score: 3, Informative

    By writing to a particular memory cell, light passing through that location may be polarized differently because of the different magnetic field. This could then be used to verify the particular state it is in. This could be a very fast way to read the memory.

  17. Re:Another possibility by budgenator · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actualy NASA uses/used a form of core memory involving plated wires, for non-volatile memory in spacecraft. Seems resonable that fullereens would be stronger than the ferrite materials used in standard core memory, making it easier to make smaller arrays of core.

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  18. The shape of a bucky ball... by Phrogz · · Score: 4, Funny
    The article says:
    Tatiana Makarova...discovered the material while experimenting with buckyballs, football-shaped molecules made up of 60 carbon atoms.

    I figure most geeks on slashdot already know what a buckyball looks like; just in case, for the U.S. readers, this means soccerball-shaped...

  19. Great to see Unexpected Results by XPulga · · Score: 3, Interesting
    ...Trying to make high temperature super conductors yielded an unexpected result...

    It is absolutely amazing to see something like this happening. Upon entry on a research program most science programs I knew required the applicant to fill-in a form stating:

    • what the project will be
    • budget requirements
    • chronogram
    • publishing chronogram
    • what the results will be
    Now I wonder how many years of tenure one needs to be allowed to have unexpected results... *grin*
  20. You have no idea what you are talking about. by mindstrm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Absolute zero is -273.15C (or is it .16)
    or 0K There is no such thing as 'degrees kelvin'; the proper way to say it is 'zero kelvins'.

    And this discovery has absolutely nothing to do with superconductivity; only that they were trying to produce a superconductor when they discovered it was magnetic. This is not an advancement in superconductivity. They didn't produce a superconductor. That's obvious even without reading the article...

    Also, you are correct about superconductors.. but... the reason microprocessors work is because they are full of SEMIconductors... transistors... you HAVE to have resistance.. you can't build logic with pure superconductors.

  21. ITS -255c by geekoid · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a bug in some browsers that fail to display the - sign. The articl may appear to say the previous temp was 255c when it actually says(look in the source) -255c.
    I don't know how to post a story update, so I'll do this here.

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