GNU Emacs 21

Alex writes: "After a wait worthy of the Mozilla project, GNU Emacs 21 is finally released! Image support, colour syntax highlighting on terminals, nice scrollbars and tooltips, it's all there folks. Also, for the first time in it's long illustrious history (and a step forward for GNU Project development in general) it's now available via anonymous CVS on savannah. No more waiting a year for the latest features... Now all we need is a port to GTK/GNOME...." Other submitters point out that the changelog is available through CVS (this is a serious changelog!), and you might try the mirrors, or maybe some light reading while you download.

Comments

I Love Emacs

[obi327]

Why are we hiding from the police, daddy?
Because we use emacs son, they use vi.

Resources

[Anonymous Coward]

Great! Now I just need to get another hard drive to have enough space to store the binary.

so...

[neodymium]

...does it finally cook coffee or fix my breakfast ?

Re:so...

[aussersterne]

Yes:

M-x coffee-percolate-mode
M-x coffee-cappucino-mode
M-x breakfast-mode
M-x quick-donut-instant-coffee-shit-late-mode

Emacs? BAH!

[Desus]

You kids with your overgrown editors. Someone wake me up when the new version of EDLIN is released.

Re:If you REALLY want gtk, check this.

[momo-chan]

An Emacs port to GTK/GNOME? Don't you mean
it the other way around ;)

version wars!

[mrm677]

And in other news, Bram Moolenaar announced that the upcoming version of Vim will be released as version 23. During a recent interview, Bram stated that "those Emacs morons think they can gain market share by inflating the version number. This jump in Vim versioning merely helps consumers accurately choose the best text editor. With Vim v6.0, some uninformed consumers may believe that Vim does not have as many features as Emacs v21. Besides, kudos to Michael Jordan for making another comeback...just like vi!".

Richard Stallman could not be reached for comment. Sources believe that he is in Afghanistan promoting the name "GNU/Emacs" instead of just "Emacs".

Great lets take it out for drink

[Anonymous Coward]

Assuming it has ID

Re:The Glory of Emacs

[Publicus]

I can't take credit for the comment I'm about to sum up, so I'll put it in italics:

Emacs is a great OS, but it lacks a good text editor. That's why I use vi.

Whoever posted that originally tickled my funny bone...

Bad marketing.

[Anonymous Coward]

The problem with "Emacs 21" is that the name looks too uptight and cold. They should change it to "eMacs" - this is much more young and fresh. Also, what's with the version number? Much better to name it by year "eMacs 2001".

Lilo support

[smartin]

No one has mentioned yet the coolest part. You can now point lilo at your emacs executable and boot directly into emacs. Yes, that's right no more pesky and redundant operating system in the way, emacs does everything you need anyway.

Re:Lilo support

[rve]

What are you trying to tell me? That I can run without operating system?

No, Emacs. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to.

The right version

[CtrlPhreak]

Why are we hiding from the police daddy?
Because we use vi son, they use emacs.
~Thinkgeek.com T-Shirt

Let the war continue...

Re:emacs

[goingware]

Emacs
Makes
A
Computer
Slow

It does [was:so...]

[sl956]

coffee.el allows Emacs users to submit a BREW request to an RFC2324-compliant coffee device (Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol, or HTCPCP). It prompts the user for the different additives, then issues a HTCPCP BREW request to the coffee device.

Stupid Slashdot...

[susano_otter]

That should be "GNU/GNU Emacs".

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Ed

[wiredog]

is the standard text editor, dagnabit! You kids these days, with your fancy-schmancy buffers and fonts. Why, in my day we had to uphill, both ways, in the snow!

Does it finnaly have the feature I want?

[kramit]

I have not read the changelog yet, but I am wondering if they FINALLY added a talking paperclip to emacs?

It is the one feature I really think this product needs in order to be a usable product.

Antinews

[the Atomic Rabbit]

As always, the best source of information on the features of a new release is the Anti-News in the (excellently written) Emacs Manual, which should come bundled with each installation. It's provided to prepare "those users who live backwards in time" for Emacs version 20, and is great fun. A sample:

• Emacs now provides its own "lean and mean" scroll bars instead of using those from the X toolkit. Toggle buttons and radio buttons in menus now look just like any other menu item, which simplifies them, and prevents them from standing out and distracting your attention from the other menu items.
  
• The arrangement of menu bar items differs from most other GUI programs. We think that uniformity of look-and-feel is boring, and that Emacs' unique features require its unique menu-bar configuration.
  
• Emacs 20 does not pop up a buffer with error messages when an error is signaled during loading of the user's init file. Instead, it simply announces the fact that an error happened. To know where in the init file that was, insert `(message "foo")' lines judiciously into the file and look for those messages in the `*Messages*' buffer.
  
• Some commands no longer treat Transient Mark mode specially. For example, `ispell' doesn't spell-check the region when Transient Mark mode is in effect and the mark is active; instead, it checks the current buffer. (Transient Mark mode is alien to the spirit of Emacs, so we are planning to remove it altogether in an earlier version.)
  
• Many complicated display features, including highlighting of mouse-sensitive text regions and popping up help strings for menu items, don't work in the MS-DOS version. Spelling doesn't work on MS-DOS, and Eshell doesn't exist, so there's no workable shell-mode, either. This fits the spirit of MS-DOS, which resembles a dumb character terminal.
  
• The `woman' package has been removed, so Emacs users on non-Posix systems will need _a real man_ to read manual pages. (Users who are not macho can read the Info documentation instead.)
  
• To keep up with decreasing computer memory capacity and disk space, many other functions and files have been eliminated in Emacs 20.
  

Re:Stallman still hacks it

[Misch]

After reading a bit about RMS' pre-FSF years, about his graduation with honors from Harvard (Physics, I believe) while pulling all-nighters at MIT AI, about EMACS, about the LISP contests with Greenblatt... I am convinced that RMS was born for hacking.

Yes, but has anone been able to port EMACS (or vi even) over to RMS_OS? How are we going to get script kiddies to hack it, if we can't even get a script written for the OS?

Nirvana

[Anonymous Coward]

'Smells like gnu/emacs'

Load up emacs, email you friends
It's fun to code and to append. He's pretty bored, A coding whore. Oh no I said a dirty word

'vi......vi......vi.......vII.....vi...vi...vi.. .v II.....'...

'With the lights out I can't see things....emacs games are ENTertaining!

Dn Dn Dn Dn Dn Dn Viiiiii
Dn Dn DN Dn Dn Dn Viiiiii

Vi's worst at what it does best, emacs users are so blessed.

DN Dn Dn Dn Dn Dn Viiiiiiiii
Dn Dn Dn Dn Dn Dn Viiiiiiiii

And I forget about old vi, its feature set, not cause for glee. Oh yeah, emacs it makes me smile. I fouind it hard, vi's hard to use, oh well, whatever, nevermind.

Re:I don't understand

[Your Login Here]

The rounds were stored as an unsigned 32 bit integer. It rolled over last night.

editor wars

[bozo42]

I asked my email-pal: "UNIX or Windoze?".
He replied "UNIX".
I said "Ah...me too!".

I asked my email-pal: "Linux or AIX?".
He said "Linux, of course".
I said "Me too".

I asked him: "Emacs or vi".
He replied "Emacs".
I said "Me too. Small world."

I asked him: "GNU Emacs or XEmacs?",
and he said "GNU Emacs".
I said "oh, me too."

I asked him "GNU Emacs 19 or GNU Emacs 20"?
and he said "GNU Emacs 19".
I said "oh, me too."

I asked him, "GNU Emacs 19.29 or GNU Emacs 19.34",
and he replied "GNU Emacs 19.29".
I said "DIE YOU OBSOLETE NOGOOD SOCIALLY MALADJUSTED CELIBATE COMMIE FASCIST DORK!" , and never emailed him again.

Installing Emacs on a blender?

[Talez]

With all the architechtures and operating systems listed on the page, I wouldn't be suprised :)

I wonder about that internet fridge... if you could hook a keyboard and keep the light on, it'd be great for hacking away over the summer months :)

Talez

The Mozilla Port Of EMACS (Don't!!!)

[XPulga]

*ahem* I can hardly wait for a an implementation of EMACS in XUL (The Mozilla slow-as-hell interface thing) with the underlying Lisp interpreter written in Java.

a true test of power

[Anonymous Coward]

My friend just recently built up a dual AMD 1.2 GHz system.
rik: so what can we use to try out this things' power?
me: seti@home, quake3... We could always try and encrypt something huge...
rik: No, something to really test the system.
me: Ahhhhhhhh... run the new emacs!
rik: *groan*
me: well, you have enough space on the drive for it: 60 gig oughta do.
rik: but it's eeeeeeeeeeemaaaaacs!

:-)

(conversation dramatised to add, er dramatical effect)

Re:what is emacs

[doob]

What is emacs?

Unfortunately no-one can be told what Emacs is, you have to see it for yourself.

Re:The Glory of Emacs

[lostguy]

The easiest and best way to emulate vi on Emacs is to evaluate the expression "(use-global-map (make-sparse-keymap))". Go ahead, put it in your .emacs.

Just like vi, it will beep every time you press a key, and you won't be able to exit.

Now we must add QT widgets!

[Anonymous Coward]

QT QT QT QT QT QT QT!

I think this would add the icing to Emacs. One last thing to convince the whole world how great it is.

BEGIN qt promotion
A top notch editor bundled with a top notch widget set.
END qt promotion

Nice OS.

[Cheetahfeathers]

It's nice to see a new release of that OS out. Now if only they would add a decent editor.

(yes, I know about the vi modes. I said a _decent_ editor! ;)