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Humanoid Powered by Linux

lems1 was among the avalanche of people who submitted this Linux powered Humanoid. The website has pictures and videos if you're curious. We're not exactly worrying about him seeking out the blue fairy or anything, but its nifty.

92 comments

  1. real time? by Beowulf_Boy · · Score: 1

    It would seem to me that they would want to use a Real Time OS, such as QNX. Last I checked, I don't remeber of being able to make Linux Realtime.

    1. Re:real time? by _SkiBum_ · · Score: 1

      If you read the article you would have seen that they run RTlinux (http://www.rtlinux.org/), which _is_ realtime...

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    2. Re:real time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er... you obviously checked a long time abgo then. There's both the RTLinux and RTAI hard-realtime projects, and the kernel preemption patch that can bring latencies down to soft-realtime-ish operation in most cases.

    3. Re:real time? by Ivan+Raikov · · Score: 1

      There are two major projects whose purpose is to create a hard real-time kernel running on top of Linux -- RT Linux and RTAI.

      There are also others, but they are a lot more immature than those two.

    4. Re:real time? by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      This a pretty common misconception - no only is there a realtime linux (rtlinux), but many embedded aplications work just fine on a near real time system - IE something that 99% of the time responds like a realtime computer, but isn't.

    5. Re:real time? by jayant_techguy · · Score: 1

      i'll love to be gifted that one

    6. Re:real time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost all of the robotics projects at MIT use QNX as their primary systems.

  2. Linux powered? by cperciva · · Score: 2

    They may be running linux on the controller, but I wouldn't call it linux powered. Unless there are robot-control drivers built into the linux kernel, it isn't really "powered by linux" -- it is "powered by xyz robot-control code".

    1. Re:Linux powered? by Yokaze · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hmm, so a device is only powered by a certain OS if its integrated as module into its kernel?

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    2. Re:Linux powered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it would be wrong to speak of a Palm Pilot as a "PalmOS powered contacts manager", a "PalmOS powered calculator", a "PalmOS powered ToDo list", etc. My 1.2GHz Athlon is not a "Windows 2000 powered Unreal Tournament platform", or a "Windows 2000 powered word processor" It's a multi-purpose computer, running one of many possible programs. So in a word, "yes", you stupid fuckstick.

    3. Re:Linux powered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When your computer is running Unreal Tournament then yes it is a "Windows 2000 powered Unreal Tournament platform," you stupid fuck.

    4. Re:Linux powered? by Quizme2000 · · Score: 2

      I kinda agree with your statement, and if you read the article on yahoo they say,
      The RT-Linux OS is designed for robotic applications.
      The kernal has been modified for this robot. Saying its not powered by linux because the robot specific controls are not in the kernal would almost be correct, if this was the case.

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    5. Re:Linux powered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if I have UT server running while I play MP3s and use Excel? Is it then a "Windows 2000 powered Unreal Tournament server music playing spreadsheet manager"? Or is it just a general purpose computer doing these things? YOU STUPID GOD DAMN MOTHER FUCKER, IF I EVER MEET YOU I WILL KICK YOUR ASS!!!

    6. Re:Linux powered? by dakainivanua · · Score: 1

      I think it really is linux powered- you just need to add in CONFIG_HUMANOID_ROBOT=y for the new AC trees.....

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    7. Re:Linux powered? by AbsoluteRelativity · · Score: 0

      What I find more strange is the brick stairs they show it climbing... its obvious its not really made of bricks (fake bricks), because the top bricks dont match the side bricks, the bricks almost look CG (but I wouldnt go so far as to say that it is) if anything it looks as though they are coverd with something that was designed to look like bricks... but why fake-brick stairs?

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  3. The first law of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No robot may harm a human being, or, by inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

    Corollary: Microsoft management is not defined as "human".

  4. Big Deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    A great many of the Japanese humanoid robots are powered by Linux. For example, the PINO microhumanoid from the ERATO Kitano Symbiotic Systems Project runs on RT Linux. I saw that one at IJCAI this year, very nice. Of course, the most famous of 'em all, Honda's P3, runs on Solaris. I hung out at the P3 facility at Honda in north Tokyo for a while while staying at Sony. They have a bunch of SPARC rackmounts stored in their backpacks, and run off a remote radio link controlled by UltraSparc stations sitting on a table a ways away.

    I am constantly amazed how Slashdot can get its underwear bundled up in a wad over almost trivially insignificant, highly redundant facts.

  5. Already done. by small_dick · · Score: 3, Funny

    The cubicle next to me has been occupied by a linux-powered humanoid for the last two years.

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    1. Re:Already done. by warpeightbot · · Score: 2
      The cubicle next to me has been occupied by a linux-powered humanoid for the last two years.
      Hell, that's nothing, my marriage has been Powered By Linux for the last three and a half years... ever since Windows ate her regsitry twice in as many weeks...

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    2. Re:Already done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a God among men.

  6. Yes, but can he move spinning gyroscopes? by RyanFenton · · Score: 1

    Anyone else reminded of ROB the Robot from the old first American Nintendo release?

    :^)

    Ryan Fenton

  7. See the pic of Bill Gates lower left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol Linux powered humanoid robot. That sounds about right. :)

  8. Interesting... by Ivan+Raikov · · Score: 1

    Curiously, there's a photograph of Bill Gates on the same page, in the lower left corner. Coincidence?

    1. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you like to shower after gym class?

  9. looks by British · · Score: 2

    It looks like a silver Pusher/Shover robot. does it protect you from the terrible secret of space?

    1. Re:looks by jfisherwa · · Score: 1

      I actually thought it looked more like a bending robot. An evil twin perhaps?

  10. Terminator 3 - The penguines revange? by the_mind_ · · Score: 1

    This opens up a few more option for all that Microsoft bashing that's going on...

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    1. Re:Terminator 3 - The penguines revange? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What MS bashing? For the past six months, this site has been full of pro-MS misinformation and propaganda. It's the OS/2 newsgroups all over again.


      (For those too young to remember, the newsgroups of an OS that once rivalled Windows, OS/2, were hit by a concerted attack from MS "astroturfers", when the "Warp" release of OS/2 arrived. Called "astroturfing", because it's a fake grass-roots campaign, many anti-OS/2 posts to the newsgroups, and replies agreeing with them, were eventually traced back to Microsoft employees, apparently posting on company time, and probably with the blessings of superiors, since they were posted virtually 9-5 week in, week out.)

    2. Re:Terminator 3 - The penguines revange? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This opens up a few more option for all that Microsoft bashing that's going on..

      Ok, I'll bite. I already have hemorrhoids powered by Micro$oft.

      Oh yeah, btw, how can anything said about an entity as evil as MS has proven time and again be considered "bashing?"

  11. please ignore the man behind the curtain pushing a dolly of computers.

  12. argh! by skotte · · Score: 0

    and the link opens up with an X10 ad!
    what are the odds we could slashdot the X10.com?

  13. H6 information by c_monster · · Score: 1

    Since the H7 page is already Slashdotted, perhaps some information on its direct ancestor, the H6 would shed some light.

    Humanoid Robot H6 page

    ~chris

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  14. H6 and H7 information by c_monster · · Score: 1

    Actually, it looks like the alternate site has both H6 and H7 information here:

    H6 and H7 information page

    ~c

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  15. Uhhh.. CmdrTaco... You posted this.... already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uhm, this was posted last week on /. .....

    Still a cool story tho....

  16. Humanoid automata already walk the streets... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're called lawyers.

  17. Old News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This robot has been on LinuxDevices.com since July. http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9048148355. html

  18. reply powered by Windows.... by tomstdenis · · Score: 0

    Why is everyone amazed that you can write applications for linux? I mean seriously who gives a damn?

    What perhaps is neat is that there is an autonomous robot. Being controlled by a linux app is about as amazing as my 80C32 MCU board running code I plug into its memory... Wow....

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  19. hey, it's me! by skotte · · Score: 0

    My fFriends insist I am a linux powered humanoid, too.
    (In which case, i have a lot of explaining to do about that Gimp ..)

  20. Wireless ethernet? by warpeightbot · · Score: 2
    From the article:
    The robot contains batteries and can communicate to a network via a wireless Ethernet connection.
    Ye gods, I hope they didn't rely on WEP to secure that connection. I'd hate to see one of those things get 0wnEd...
    1. Re:Wireless ethernet? by darc · · Score: 1

      Humanoid...Linux...Anyone see these things as real life Quake 3 Bots?

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  21. The programming model of the next millennium by Spootnik · · Score: 1

    In short, the prelude to those horror movies like Brazil and 1984, with droids sitting in front of some totally network controlled 'bland looking, quasi dumb x-terminal', camera, keyboard & mouse monitoring every humanoid action. Sound like innovation to you. You guys make the Redmond crowd look like choir boys, from where I sit.

  22. The videos are cool by Jon+Chatow · · Score: 2

    ... but unhelpful - sure, the movement's natural-looking, but how good is the software at analysing its environment to adjust its walking pattern, and so on; also, it evidently needs an in-built fusion pack to keep it going, or something - trailing wires is no fun in difficult conditions :-)

    Basically, how useful is this prototype; IANAE, but I'd guess that this technology still has some years to go before being useful.

    But I /still/ think it's cool.

    PS: Of course, given it's running (RT-)Linux... "How about a beowulf cluster of these?" ;-)

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    1. Re:The videos are cool by Quizme2000 · · Score: 2

      PS: Of course, given it's running (RT-)Linux... "How about a beowulf cluster of these?" ;-)
      I think that is the plot of Star Wars epII

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    2. Re:The videos are cool by t14m4t · · Score: 1
      how good is the software at analysing its environment to adjust its walking pattern


      This robot design is actually several years old; there have been several slashdot stories on it already. When I was in college taking a class on robotics and computer vision (3 years ago), one of the videos we were shown was this robot in action (it was a demo video). Some of the aspects we were seeing:


      - It was finding its way around objects as people moved them, without slowing down

      - If it's goal was to get a certin object, and that object was in motion, it could track that object, and follow it around without hitting/tripping over anything

      - It could walk up and down a flight of stairs as easily and natural-looking as a human


      I think the specific video we were shown was the predecessor to this one. As I understand it, this one has a wireless ethernet connection; the one I saw had a wire attached. However, that only means this one's actually BETTER than the one I saw.


      One of the neat things about it is how well they've gotten bipedal locomotion down (translation for the linguistically impaired: "walking on two legs"). The first thing we saw was this thing walking toward us. My first thought was "Why would they show us a video of a guy is a plastic box?" Then it turned sideways. It's thickness (I think it was maybe as think as my outstretched hand) made it impossible to be a human. My next thought was "Wow!!!" They've got the walking thing down good; it looks EXTREMELY natural.


      weylin

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  23. Two humanoids alone in a room by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 2

    He twists her knobs, she watches his antenna rise.

  24. Trick or treat by Man+of+E · · Score: 1

    Imagine a linux-powered humanoid in a penguin costume knocking at your door...

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  25. seeking out the blue fairy by Jonathunder · · Score: 2

    What I wouldn't give to be able to "unwatch" the last half of that stupid movie!

    On the other hand, if only they could make the batteries in my cellphone or laptop last even a fraction of David's power source, it might be worth it. (How long did he and that bear sit watching that damm fairy?)

    1. Re:seeking out the blue fairy by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      The movie was deeper than you might think. Here's a great analysis site: http://www.mysteriesofai.com. Personally, I think that movie is unbelievably underappreciated.

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  26. This is not news! by YouAreFatMan · · Score: 1

    After all, hasn't ESR been a linux-powered humanoid for quite a while now?

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  27. SWM seeking FLPHC by waa · · Score: 1

    Single white male seeking Female Linux-Powered Humaniod Companion.

    hey... It can get cold over her in New England during those long Winter nights!

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    1. Re:SWM seeking FLPHC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those new Athlons and Pentium IV's run pretty hot hot... But if you really want something to keep you warm on the cold nights nothing beats an Alpha.

  28. Motors and Gears by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Whenever robots like this come up, the actuators always seem to use motors and gears. I've often that using that method is rather limiting, since they are very bulky.

    Are there any good methods for more of a muscle-type actuator? Something very narrow that contracts. It seems like if you had something simple and cheap enough, you could use lots of them to give much better mobility.

    I'm guessing there isn't anything really good, otherwise people would do it that way. Still, could you have some telescoping rod kind of thing with a coil to contract it? You wouldn't even need to go both directions -- just do what a muscle does, and wait for the opposing actuator to move it back out. It seems like there has to be something simpler that works better than motors and gears.

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    1. Re:Motors and Gears by shoor · · Score: 1

      I saw a documentary about robots one time. Some Japanese company spent a lot of money and developed a hydraulic robot modeled on the human body. If they had tried to use it in a Hollywood movie it would have been rejected because it looked and moved so much like a cheap effect of a man in a robot suit.

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    2. Re:Motors and Gears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm...yeah...they're called "muscle wires" and they're metal wires that contract when electricity runs through them (just like muscles, I wonder where they got the name, huh?)

      I saw they wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy back in 1998 @ robot-store.com (`course they were too expensive for my poor chump high-school ass, but oh well)

      If locate_girlfriend() = 0 then cout "w00t" else cout "Damn it, reality bites."
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  29. Number 5... by jezerbel · · Score: 0, Troll

    In an amazing display of robotics technology, DHL (Digital Human Laboratory) have replaced CmdrTaco and his crew from slashdot.org with Steve Guttenberg and a zany robot look a like from Short Circuit.

    Steve was pleased with the new position, having been unemployed since Police Academy 12 and has enjoyed taking over Rob's job of managing slashdot and downloading endless numbers of 80's porn mpgs...

    Slashdot patrons have noted that "Number 5's" moderations and story ideas have been far better than previous human offerings although there are some concerns about his developing robosexual relationship with Futuramas "Bender".

    (mod me down and label me troll me if u must.. I'm just such a sucker for anything 80's)

  30. Imagine. . .;-) by fr2asbury · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...a beowulf cluster of these.

    Watch out Rockettes!

    Jonathan

  31. My dilemna by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's almost 3:00am here, and I need to get to bed soon. I'm trying to decide if I should read Slashdot for a little while longer, then sleep. Problem is, I feel a gnawing in my bowels -- I feel an increasing need to take a shit. But, I prefer morning shits, and quite frankly, I'm too tired to take a shit right now anyway.

    I would really appreciate some advice here, people. I *could* just read Slashdot and then go to bed without taking a shit, but I'm worried that I will wake up half-way through my sleep and have to rush to the bathroom.

    Shit can not be avoided. Sort of like BSOD's for those people stupid enough to run Windows.

  32. a female version? by robot-roger · · Score: 1

    How long until there's a female version?
    Beware of the linux powered sex godess!

    1. Re:a female version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then several years later millions around the world will be getting the dreaded blue-ball of death from their brand named units

  33. Mckibben artifical actuators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask, and Ye shall recieve:

    http://rcs.ee.washington.edu/BRL/devices/mckibbe n/

    These things have been out since the 50's. Problem has always been static stability and power/force generation - not good enough for a 100+ kilo robot, but lots of smaller biologically-inspired robots have used them, for example:

    http://biorobots.cwru.edu

    Gear & motors work, because they are strong and can support the torques necessary for large robots. Pneumatics have the speed for acutation, but lack refined motor control (they tend to be a bit jerky). Hydraulics are wonmderful for smooth and powerful motion and force generation, but lack speed.

    Sigh, I guess we're all just waiting for artificial piezo-electric myofibril actuators, from Battletech, then we'll have big robots and mechs 'o plenty :)

    Sincerely,
    Kevin W. Christie
    Neuroscience Program
    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

    1. Re:Mckibben artifical actuators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christie? That's a girl's name, you fucking fairy.

  34. Is it just me, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...or do the movies look like footage they'd use if they needed to do a flashback in a Terminator movie?

  35. Mirror of the videos by Turmio · · Score: 1

    Maybe you find my 100Mbit/s .fi link faster than the original .jp site...
    http://shakti.tky.hut.fi/slashdot/h7outside.mpg
    http://shakti.tky.hut.fi/slashdot/h6homepage2.mpg

  36. Nerds, Nerds, Nerds!!! by Jagasian · · Score: 2

    Come on guys, if we are going to make a robot, why not make a really cool robot that can pick up chicks? Instead, this robot just looks like one of us nerds. We have failed to create our saviour "coolio chick-pickin-upper" robot that will help us get dates.
    ...and God created manbot in his image... as a nerd.

    1. Re:Nerds, Nerds, Nerds!!! by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 3, Funny

      Come on guys, if we are going to make a robot, why not make a really cool robot that can pick up chicks?

      What the heck are YOU talking about?

      They need to make one that LOOKS like a chick! I want a hot and sexy chrome plated busty robo sex slave! Boo Yaa!

      If they keep making robots that look like THAT they're never going to make it into the adult toy business!

      How can that home robot market ever take off without backing the pr0n industry?

      *snicker*

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  37. i cant resist by NevarMore · · Score: 1

    Hmm wireless ethernet, dual P3's eh? how bout a beowulf cluster of these.

    But seriously, I didnt see anything but im assuming its possible to use that wireless to allow 2 of these robots to work in coordination and send data back to a controller. Anyone got any more info on that aspect?

    1. Re:i cant resist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Take a look at MIT's Kismet robotics project.

      http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/sociable/baby-bit s. html

      Run by a cluster of 9 QNX computers (400 MHz CPU on each computer) for all the important primary systems, a dual 450 MHz NT computer (for speech synthesis and voice affective intent recognition system) and a 500 MHz Linux computer (for speech recognition).

      It really tells you how far advance QNX is in the "realtime" business.

  38. TESTING!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TSS ONLYTEST!!!! O NOT LRMD!!!!

  39. Full Body Motion My Ass by thecarson · · Score: 0

    They claim full-body motion with 36 joints. I have 36 joints between my two hands. Go ahead, count 'em.

  40. Re:a robot's evening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Jeeze moderators, get a sense of humor! The parent post is a joke, not a troll...

    Those are all unix like operating system utilities, and the fucking robot is running a unix like operating system.

    Are you sure you should be at a web site that advertises itself as "News for Nerds"? If you don't have a clue, don't mod the comment!

  41. Flawed walking scheme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was about to write a 3D human model with joint-control some years ago, and collected a lot of data (no, it's NOT GPL'ed yet, sorry) as to how humans walk. This robot walks like a drunk pirate, because he doesn't use his hands the way we use them to balance the torque that our legs impose on our body. Just try to walk with your arms laced in front of you (or behind you, for that matter)! That would make a big difference!

  42. complete waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yay, erm needed to wait fora bit, but still here

    echo "Fuck This"
    sleep for a bit
    echo "well I am fucked"

    Need Porn, need to stop worrying about linux powered geeks (linux powered geeks = geeks)

    My Name Is Fidler And I Fiddle

  43. All your concept are belong to GNU by yerricde · · Score: 1

    For example, the PINO

    they're missing either a CCHIO or a BEE

    and they have funny Engrish. This is dangerously close to being an exact quote: All our concept are belong to GNU

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  44. Humanoid picture by sela · · Score: 3, Funny

    Funny ... when I first got to this page, the first humanoid picture I've seen was the one above "gates unveils XP". I didn't know he was running on linux after all ...

  45. For a OUT of THIS world OS... by vortexau · · Score: 1

    I recall when I first learnt of QNX,
    that THIS OS was used in the Control System
    of the Deployment Arm on the Space Shuttle!

    Source-- AmigaFormat magazine published maybe
    3 years ago, when Gateway2000 was the owner!

    Regards,
    JK

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  46. Must not have much power on board... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This thing is pretty spiffy, but it seems to have a very long tail. Most other humanoids I know don't... ;)

  47. Look up air muscles... by cr0sh · · Score: 2

    Here is a good site that gives a good reference on what are, and how they work.

    The are electric linear actuaters as well, that work on a telescoping lead screw rod type system, as well as solenoid based, and SMA (shape memory alloy) actuators - however, none of these have as fast response times, and waste more power.

    Even air muscles aren't perfect, but they are interesting...

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  48. Coincidence? Humanoid? by Scoria · · Score: 1
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  49. A nice way... by rmezzari · · Score: 1

    ...of hacking it would be using one of these (www.realdoll.com) . Commands such as 'grep' and 'touch' would have a totally new meaning.
    .

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  50. Nifty robot... by __4096 · · Score: 1

    ...but does it transform into a motorcycle and know kung fu?

  51. Re:Linux powered? Maybe... by uberdave · · Score: 1

    Maybe they're burning all of the floppies they made in the 0.x and 1.x kernel days. &ltgrin&gt

  52. Re:The plagiarism model of the next millennium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm starting to think that Spootnik is actually a Bot that submits the text of a Slashdot article to Google Groups, then spits out a copied Usenet post as a reply.