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Netscape 6.2

lylonius writes: "Netscape today released version 6.2 of its browser based on Mozilla. Downloads for a variety of platforms and languages are available. You can also check out the release notes. This release comes off the Mozilla 0.9.4 branch, and is the third major release from Netscape using Mozilla." Kmeleon also has a release today, if you'd like your web with a little more browsing and little less AOL-promotion.

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  1. Very nice... by Millennium · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...however, Mozilla 0.9.5 and the nightlies afterward are already far ahead. Among other things, you get tabbed browsing, the Links toolbar, and (if you download the proper add-on) mouse gesture support.

    Very, very cool.

    1. Re:Very nice... by David+Ham · · Score: 2, Informative

      that's exactly what it does - a single window interface to multiple pages.

      why it's cool (in theory - not all of these are implemented in mozilla yet - see my above post):
      -able to quickly switch between webpages if you want, instead of cycling through all open apps
      -less clutter on your task bar / gnome pager / whatever
      -opening a new tab is quicker than a new window - less widgets have to be redrawn

      is it perfect? no. but it's definitely a handy feature, and a number of programs have put it to good use. see: opera, xchat, gaim, etc

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  2. K-Meleon by JasonMaggini · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been using KMeleon for a while, and become a fan... It pretty quick (not THE fastest) and the footprint is small. It's worth checking out.
    There are a few quirks, sure, but for the most part It's replaced IE as my primary browser. I still have to use IE for the occasional page, but we'll see what 0.6 fixes...

    1. Re:K-Meleon by brunes69 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Kmeleon is basiclly a native win32 browser using the Gecko engine. What it's trying to be basiclly is Internet Explorer using the Gecko engine. It s VERY fast (cause it doens't use the XUL crap that slows down mozilla / netscape), and looks alot like IE. It uses IE style favorites, so all you have to do is make windows shortcuts to bookmark things. Its also got IE style draggable / customizeable toolbas, etc. Its very nice, id suggest checking it out.

  3. Re:Older version by Evangelion · · Score: 2, Informative


    You shouldn't.


    mozilla@madoka:~$ crontab -l
    5 0 * * * /home/mozilla/.bin/get_moz.sh

    mozilla@madoka:~$ cat /home/mozilla/.bin/get_moz.sh
    #!/bin/sh
    umask 002
    cd /home/mozilla
    rm -rf *
    wget http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/ mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz
    tar -zxf mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz
    chown -R mozilla:mozilla mozilla
    chmod -R g+w mozilla


    Doesn't everyone do this?

  4. alas, not 0.9.5 by ChristTrekker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Too bad Netscape didn't wait a few more weeks. Mozilla 0.9.5 introduced support for <link>, which rocks. I'd hoped that people would start getting introduced to this sooner rather than later. OTOH, Mozilla's support of <link> still has a few quirks (that's why it's not enabled by default right now) so maybe it's OK to wait until 6.3/0.9.6 or whatever.

    If you're using 0.9.5 and haven't enabled <link> yet, do it. It's under your View menu, called "Site Navigation Bar" or something. It's pretty slick when you get to a site that uses <link> tags consistently.

    1. Re:alas, not 0.9.5 by jedwards · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just look it up in the standard

    2. Re:alas, not 0.9.5 by smcv · · Score: 5, Informative

      Use Mozilla 0.95 and you will see the wonders of the <link> tag ;-)

      Basically, they're a way for a web page author to specify related pages in a browser-independent, design-independent, extensible way, outside the main HTML of a page - think of them as "quick links" whose targets are defined by the page you're on. A long multi-page document might define Next, Previous and Contents to go to the obvious places, for instance. A website with content from many authors might define the Authors link so it goes to a list of this document's authors. A site with a specific copyright policy might link to it with the Copyright link. All of these are independent of the actual text in the HTML (they go in the <head> section) so if your browser doesn't support them, or you configure it not to, you'll never see them.

      The W3C defined the meanings of quite a few links, and the Mozilla developers have added a couple more which they felt should be there for symmetry (W3C defined First, but not Last; Mozilla looks for Last too, for symmetry, and the Mozilla team have given the W3C a very short list of extras like Last which they think should go in the next HTML spec). You can use anything you like, though (Mozilla implements this by putting any unknown ones in a submenu).

      Mozilla shows the <link>s as an extra toolbar, but there are other ways you could display them.

      The defined ones are things like Previous, Next, First, Up, Top, Help, Authors, Search and Copyright - the sort of things many web pages and documents want. (At the moment Slashdot uses Top and Search).

  5. Useful feature... by sconest · · Score: 5, Informative

    already in Mozilla for a while.
    Add user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true); to your prefs.js (while Netscape is not running) file and presto... no more popups.

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    1. Re:Useful feature... by SCHecklerX · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's actually better to put stuff like this in user.js

      Here's a bonus one to change your 'internet keywords' to use the search engine of your choice:

      user_pref("keyword.URL", "http://www.google.com/search?q=");

  6. Re:Netscape advantages over Mozilla? by sconest · · Score: 2, Informative

    The only (IMO) usefule feature is the inclusion of a spell checker (which can be used by Mozilla btw)

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  7. Fine Here by Dark-Helmet · · Score: 2, Informative

    I personally stopped using Netscape after a series of bad expierences with the 4.x versions. However, it seem as if Netscape 6.2 on Win32 really isn't so bad. Its very slick looking, renders all webpages I frequent flawlessly and very fast. So far, though I've only been using it for a few minutes, it has proven to be very stable. I will not yet uninstall IE6 from my system, but I'm going to give Netscape another chance.

    I miss my Netscape 3.0 Gold Edition Days =)

  8. Re:Older version by J'raxis · · Score: 5, Informative

    cd /home/mozilla
    rm -rf *


    Whoa. You realize your cron starts up in $HOME, and if that `cd` for some reason returns an error...

    Try cd /home/mozilla && rm -rf *
    rm will only run if cd returned successfully. In fact, you might want to link all those commands with ampersands; since each one is only relevant if the previous ran without errors.

  9. Omniweb by wrt · · Score: 2, Informative

    For OSX I've had a great experience with Omniweb. Its fast (load time and render time), super-configurable (its config looks just like the System Prefs panel), and has a sleek UI. The slide-out bookmarks is great! The carbonized IE is TERRIBLE, and netscape x.x seams equally crash-prone. I'm gonna stick with one of the "other" guys.

  10. Re:why is mozilla engine so slow? by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because of Netscape 4.x's only partial HTTP 1.1 support, it does become very slow with some HTTP servers, one of them being IIS (but also WebLogic and others).

    I haven't noticed any particular problem with Moz, although it can be kind of clunky with pages with lots of form elements.

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  11. Re:Don't go double clicking on no web pages now... by WD · · Score: 2, Informative

    Disables the keyboard input for the Netscape application, not the whole computer!

  12. Re:Interesting point of departure... by gorgon · · Score: 5, Informative
    I think it says more about Netscapes position and Mozilla than it does about OSs. When Netscape was the dominant browser, it made sense for them to try to have builds for any system under the Sun, since it would help them maintain marketshare. Now that they are struggling to regain markketshare, it makes more sense to focus their "official" efforts on the bigger OSs. They can let mozilla take care of the smaller OSs.

    Also, you missed at least one OSs that Netscape 6 is available - Sun. I think Netscape may have passed more of the responsibility for that build to Sun, but it is still full blown Netscape. Since Sun is the biggest Unix at this point, it makes sense that they'd still be supported

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  13. Rather than whine about Mozilla... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 5, Informative
    I recommend those of you (and it's quite a few) who whine about Mozilla's performance check out K-Meleon. I think most of you will agree the real problem with Mozilla is not Gecko, it's the damned XUL-based Interface of Infinite Slowness +2. K-Meleon is one of the nicer attempts out there to take Gecko and wrap it in a native interface, in this case for Windows (yes, I use Win2k at work, so sue me).


    If you tried K-Meleon 0.1 or 0.2 and thought "gee this would be great if it actually supported cookies and had some configurable options and felt like more than a toy" then check out 0.6. Actually, it's been quite usable for a couple of releases now, and 0.6 seems as good as ever. Yes, I still use IE sometimes, but unlike my repeated attempts to wean myself to Mozilla that inevitably end in me getting sick of the poor UI response times and rendering freezes in Mozilla, I can actually get used to the snappy K-Meleon look and feel.


    No, it's not perfect or bugless, and it still isn't quite as pretty or slick looking as IE, but it is nice to see how fast and responsive a Gecko based browser can be when the entire UI isn't getting rendered from XUL, and it's nice to have a real native browser alternative on Windows.

    1. Re:Rather than whine about Mozilla... by GregWebb · · Score: 5, Informative

      I have to say, I really don't understand people's comments about speed. FWIW this experience is with, Windows 2000 on a P-II 128 MB, Win98 on P-II 350 and 400 (both 128 MB) and oddly behaving Duron 700 (256 MB). Nothing exactly cutting edge, in other words.

      I started playing with Mozilla 0.9.5 last week, first Mozilla build in some time. It's not quite as fast as Netscape 4.7 but way, way faster than IE5. Blows it straight out of the water. IE will sometimes take 10+ seconds to render a window, Mozilla, as long as it's been loaded into memory before like IE, is less than a second. It's faster in operation, too.

      It's not perfect - the back button has died a couple of times, while really, stupidly heavy session (20+ windows, new ones opening all the time) slowed it down a little and I've discovered today it's not too fond of mod points - but hey, neither's IE under W98. They smear all over the place, misplace themselves, eventually run out altogether and too many windows of that crashes the machine.

      Anyway. Mozilla and XUL may have been slow once (dunno, didn't use it then), but it isn't any more. Lovely and fast, really.

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  14. Re:Netscape advantages over Mozilla? by iceT · · Score: 3, Informative

    All 'scrapping' aside:

    Sidebar tools for AIM and more
    Built-in JRE support (no DLL copying/.so linking)
    Easy IMAP support for Netscape Email
    Spell Checker (by default)
    'End-user' features like shopping/my netscape buttons)
    Flash included (I believe, possibly RealPlayer too)

    It's a nice tidy package for people to use... Mozilla can require some 'fussing about' to get it all to play nicely..

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  15. Re:Netscape advantages over Mozilla? by astrosmash · · Score: 5, Informative
    Does anyone care to comment on what features Netscape 6.2 offers that aren't in Mozilla?

    Netscape has a spell checker

    Netscape installs java by default However...

    Mozilla does image blocking (I'm addicted to this)

    Mozilla allows a security policy for cookies (like IE6)

    Mozilla has browser tabs

    Mozilla has the "Link" toolbar (which Slashdot now supports as of yesterday, I believe)
    That latest mozilla builds also tend to use/leak more memory than the Netscape releases. I don't know why that is, but if you like to have your browser run all day, or you need a spell checker, Netscape's probably a better choice. If you like to play with the latest browser toys, or you can't live without ad blocking, use Mozilla.

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  16. Re:Yippee! by FFFish · · Score: 5, Informative

    Heh. For a kick, try opening this XHTML page in MSIE. Oh, it's a perfectly valid page: heck, it even encourages you to go validate it.

    Displays perfectly on Opera, of course. How's it look in Mozilla?

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  17. Re:Spell Checker? by sconest · · Score: 2, Informative

    Grab the spellchecker from Netscape ftp here : win , macos (not X) or linux i686.
    Then drag it onto a Mozilla window, you'll get a dialog for installing it.

    Some people on #mozillazine tell me that it may not work with Mozilla 0.9.5 though, previous verison shoudl be ok

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  18. Re:Spell Checker? by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well it comes automatically in 6.2 if you want to add it to mozilla you goto the 6.2 download directory goto xpi directory then get spellcheck.xpi it should install automatically. Note: it is only garenteed to work netscape 6.2 infact I just tested it an it seems as though the UI for the spellchecker did not get added. So guess your out of luck.

  19. Re:Interesting point of departure... by zulux · · Score: 5, Informative

    Increasingly, what oprerating system you have is becomming irelevent:

    Solaris and FreeBSD both run Linux binaries and AIX should soon http://www.exquip.com/software/ibmaix.chtml
    and HP-UX is not far behind: http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV4 7_STO48570,00.html

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  20. Re:Interesting point of departure... by poiu · · Score: 2, Informative
    Since Sun is the biggest Unix

    If you say so. If you mean biggest as in big iron ... ok. But, I'm pretty sure Apple recently announced how many copies of OS X it has shipped and that it was more than there are copies of Solaris.

    could be wrong ... so sue me.

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  21. Re:Link Toolbar by ChristTrekker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lynx has had it almost forever. Mosaic had it. Even though I'd been using <link rel="author"> since I started making web pages, I first realized the possibilities when I saw it in iCab. There are a few others. Here are a few good articles about it.

  22. Re:Spell Checker? by SCHecklerX · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's how I do spellchecking in *ALL* my X11 apps:

    http://freefall.homeip.net/stuff/spellcheck/

    Enjoy.

  23. Re:Netscape 6.2 still won't install by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I installed it fine on win2000. You should probably look into the disk error, because window's disk check isn't always reliable. I had a dying hard disk that would cause win2000 to reboot randomly, and scandisk didn't whine a bit when I checked for errors. Everything was fine again when I replaced the hard disk.

  24. Re:slowness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    Well, for me Mozilla has always felt faster than NS 4.7x at home (Linux on decent PC hw), but NS 6.01 slow like a dog at work (on Ultra-10 workstation). NS 4.7x is slow too, just different kind of slow. :-)


    FWIW Mozilla/NS6 are much faster rendering the HTML stuff, but interface is heavier, so on slow systems it feels slow when just moving the window etc; but when you actually load web-pages it is faster than NS 4.x series.

  25. Re:why is mozilla engine so slow? by bluephone · · Score: 2, Informative
    that link is doubly screwed up... it should be http://www.geocities.com/mozamp/dumptehxul.html

    Score one for my idiot meter today.

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  26. Re:slowness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Mozilla's faster for me, and to top that off, IE6.0 has some major issues on my installation of Win2k. RIght-click menu takes five seconds to appear. (I quit using IE about 5 minutes after installing 6.0, have been using N6/Mozilla nonstop ever since.

    And I like Mozilla better than Konqueror, too.

  27. Re:Mozilla vs Netscape by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 2, Informative

    Though this is a kind of a FAQ, it's not the same program.

    Mozilla is the open source code. In the last year or so (Milestone 18 was the big turning point for me, it's been getting better since), it's really been getting good. You can debate some of the bloat (XUL and stuff like that) but it's a damn good browser. Some (a lot?) of that bloat is related to it's in-development status - has some debug code in there that will be removed for final release, not quite optimized.

    Every once in a while, Netscape takes a source cut of this and releases it as a Netscape product. It's not exactly the same source, they add things to it (whether it's stuff you would want is subject to some debate). The rendering is the same (Gecko layout engine) but the Netscape product has more bells and whistles, and seems to have a bit more UI polish (some say, I haven't tried it).

    If you think about it, Mozilla kind of drives Netscape releases. The Netscape boys take what they think is a decent source cut (the most recent being Mozilla 0.9.5) and ploish it somehwat and release it as Netscape Navigator.

  28. Re:Good for the average joe by cowsurfer · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have to wholeheartedly agree. Nerds can babble on and on about Konqueror and Opera and such, but 99% of web users will never experience these browsers. For most of them, Microsoft is the way to go, unless someone hands them something better.

    The problem is, we need some option out there to take marketshare away from Microsoft, if for the sole reason of getting people to stop designing their sites with IE solely in mind (so the pages don't look like crap to the rest of us). There's a pretty interesting comparison on cNet of IE6 and Netscape 6.2.

    And if you want to talk about speed, I'd have to say that both Konqueror and Mozilla/Gnome are painfully slow when compared to running moz0.9.5 on Win2K.