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JosefK writes: "Film & Video is running an interesting and fairly in-depth article on the technology that's been used by Peter Jackson's crew and WETA for the production of the Lord of the Rings. From satellite video feeds for overseeing remote shoots, to the development of WETA's Massive program for depicting large scale battle scenes with tens and hundreds of thousands of "agents" (and it runs on Linux!), the article covers the gamut of the interesting things Peter Jackson's been doing Down Under." And Salon is running a lengthy article on the increasing use of Linux in the special effects industry.

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  1. Kit Cost by JohnHegarty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "To accomplish the visual effects, Weta has put together an impressive array of computer firepower that includes 150 SGI Octane workstations, as well as 80 SGI dual processor 330 and 230 series Linux workstations. Two SGI Origin 2000s serve as the primary file servers for the facility, and Weta has also installed a TP9400 RAID storage array. "

    This is some amount for kit. Would a Beowulf type setup be less costly, or provide more headaches.

  2. Re:Special Effects by McD!ck · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yes, special effects (D&D) alone do not make a good movie (Pearl Harbor, Titanic, Mummy). BUT we are not dealing with just any old story. We are dealing with The Lord Of The Rings. This storyline has been read by so many, and adored by such a large following of fans that as long as they stuck to the book and have "decent" actors, this movie should come off better than Liv Tylor's dress!


    The only thing that could've ruined this movie is if they placed Leo DeCaprio as Frodo.

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  3. Damn Stereotypes... by Uttles · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Who says free software is passé? Hollywood's special-effects industry can't get enough of the operating system built by hackers, for hackers.

    This story is good news, I'm glad Linux is catching on in popularity, I recently switched to Linux on my personal PC and I'm enjoying every minute of it. The reason for my switch: I used to use it at school, I use it at work, and Windows XP is as crooked as a politician, so I switched to good ol' Linux. Linux is a great OS and the best thing about it is that the more you become a power user, the more powerful you become. It's absolutely the most flexible and tweakable system out there. This public perception however, "by hackers for hackers," is crap, and we need to frown upon it. Linux is built by software enthusiasts, not "hackers." I'm not a Linux history expert, but I have a good feel for the way things are at this moment, and I have to say that nowadays Linux users are a wide range of people, including big businesses, educators, kids, the computer nerds like myself, etc. Linux was built, and continues to be built, by people with a great knowlege of software engineering and the desire to provide a democratic style OS that is both powerful and easy to use, and best of all: free.

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    1. Re:Damn Stereotypes... by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Insightful
      • Linux is built by software enthusiasts, not "hackers."

      Gather round grandpa's ol' rocking chair, and he'll tell you a tale from the Olden Days, when the world was young and innocent, and "hacker" was synonymous with "software enthusiast"... ;-)

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  4. A plea to the hard core LOTR fans by billmaly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Go easy on Jackson when his films are released. He's obviously done close to everything that a director can do to:

    1. Maintain Tolkein's vision.
    2. Tell the story as truly as possible
    3. Work within the confines of the entertainment industry to do so AND make a movie palatable to Joe Six Pack. (If the film doesn't make money, Hollywood won't support it, fact of life here on Earth, and probably MiddleEarth as well!)

    These have all been Herculean tasks, and Peter Jackson has devoted his life to them. I would hope that the LOTR faithful are willing to look past minor transgressions that HAVE to be made to bring a story of this scope and scale to the screen.

    Obviously, this will be a far, far cry from the embarressing cartoon of FOTR. Let's hope people can forgive Hobbits that aren't quite rotund enough, elves who aren't quite willowy enough, and dwarves that are perhaps a smidge to tall.

    1. Re:A plea to the hard core LOTR fans by robi2106 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Geeee glad to see you are not paying attention to anything that is remotely important to the PLOT OF THE STORY. Try to get a perspective. Does your boss expect perfection out of you? Hopefully not, otherwise you would probable fall dismally short, like every other imperfect human on the planet.

      Think about the story, and not the insignificant details like relative heights, accents, supporting characters, etc. Just be glad you get to see all three made into major motion pictures! Will that ever happen to other major sci-fi / fantasy story lines? With the exception of Star Wars, Star Trek, Robin Hood (speaking of Robin Hood, why didn't Kevin C. have a British accent), Three Musketeers, and a few other classic tales . . . not many of the great tales have successfully made it to the big screen.

      Sit down, grab your pop corn, and get ready for a great ride, as told by Peter J.

      robi

  5. LOTR category!!! by ankit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has been said many times, and I am just repeating it. Taco, can we _please_ have a aseparate LOTR category? It more than deserves one!

    Call me a karma whore if you like... But this needs to be said often for it to be agreed upon!

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  6. Why should the GPL be a problem? by Hanno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't quite understand why the GPL should be a problem, as mentioned in the Salon article.

    It doesn't forbid writing and selling proprietary software, as long as said software isn't based on GPL'd source fragments.

    And in-house tools are an example of software that isn't meant to be published or sold to the public. So when writing such tools, they can use GPL'd source and mangle it in whatever form they want, since the result doesn't leave the company and isn't sold or distributed, they don't have to publish source.

    Or did I get something wrong here?

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  7. Re:Once again Quake to the rescue by Thagg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What Quake really did was single-handedly get OpenGL through a critical couple of years. If it were not for Quake, and Carmack in particular, OpenGL would have been relegated to a few very expensive but low performance (because of low volume) cards; and Microsoft would have a monopoly on yet another field of computing.

    I develop software for a visual effects company, and I give thanks every day to Carmack, Daryll Strauss, and the Fahrenheit gang for contributing in their own vital ways in keeping OpenGL viable.

    thad

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  8. Sorry, folks, but I must say it: BFD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For one thing, Linux is an OS. Linux itself is not making the graphics for these films; the software running on top of Linux is doing the work. Second, I don't see any of these companies pouring $$ into the promotion or development of Linux itself. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

    The main reasons these folks are using Linux are (a) it's stable, and (b) it's free. Those do not do anything to benefit the Linux biz. And as for the feather in the cap thing, there are very few graphics houses out there making special effects for movies, and out of all of them only a few are using Linux. Even if they all used Linux, it would still be a very, very, very small user base that we're talking about.

    If these people want to help promote Linux, they need to throw down $$ for promotion and development for the OS. As it stands, they snag whatever's free, port their proprietary, in-house apps to it, then someone on the team mumbles to the press "there are Linux boxes being used in here" and then Slashdot gets wind of it. From there, lots of folks pat each other on the back even though Linux is only what's used to network the computers together and launch the applications that are doing the real work...

    Please, folks, this smacks of desperation. I want Linux to succeed, but if we do this "see, I told you so" thing every time someone throws a crumb our way, we're going to look pathetic.

  9. Re:Weather by elvum · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is when you film two adjacent scenes on different days - it's going to look a bit strange in the final cut if there are clouds in the sky and puddles everywhere in one scene but then it's gloriously sunny and dry two seconds later.

    For an (unintrusive) example, examine the Indy Car chase sequence in Charlie's Angels... :-)

  10. Mixed messages: movies and Linux by Azog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's really weird about Linux in the film industry is that the business / distribution / promotion side of the industry would love to outlaw free software. (SSSCA, DMCA, etc.)

    Meanwhile, the production side has realized that it is really useful and is wholeheartedly embracing it.

    You have to wonder if sooner or later some pointy-haired boss at the MPAA is going to wake up and go "WHAT! We USE Linux!? We use that communist, anti-American.... Well that had better stop immediately!"

    I wonder how the "copyright" industries will try to resolve this - they don't want regular people to have powerful tools like programmable PCs and free software. But they sure want to use free software to make movies.

    Maybe they'll go for an approach of requiring "computer licensing" but only if you use "non-approved" software. Most people wouldn't care because most people just run Windows, and they wouldn't need a license. Only Linux users, software developers, and computer science students would have to get licensed.

    Kind of like you need a license for a car, but not for a bicycle. (Or continuing the analogy, Windows XP == tricycle...)

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  11. The GPL is not the issue by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Despite its being mentioned prominently, the GPL has litte to do with it.

    The issue that article is getting at is the fickle "Goodwill" of the Free community.
    If one partakes of the pool of Free stuff but gives nothing back, then the community tends to shun you.

    As powerless as we sometimes feel in politics and business, the shun of the majority of Free software afficionados (even those undesirables such as the warez crowd and the black hat kiddies who tend to sympathize with the cause) is not something to be underestimated.

    (A DeCss like research effort into undermining your fragile restriction scheme, combined with a kiddie's DOS attack on your webserver all the while RMS is giving a speech about why you are "evil", can really make a bad day for anyone.)

    Someone who makes an investment in a new direction will typically want to recieve approval and congratulation for it. The goodwill of the community is desirable. So to gain it, they start down the path of sharing. But its a slippery slope, and a GPL violation can land you with some bad press.

    Simply going all out open, the studios think they may lose their edge over the competition.
    By staying as closed as possible, they risk ostrasization from the community, and a separation from the process that brang them the foundation that they are building on in the first place.

    The real technology coming from Linux and friends is a sociological one, not a computing one. Its a new way, and it has ramifications that extend far beyond computer science.

  12. Not true! Not true! by Dirk+Pitt · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I have to totally disagree with this.


    I'm certainly not a Wintel advocate, but there is a tangeable increase the in the use of Windows in the engineering and graphic arts industry.


    I can talk a little more authoratatively about the engineering space. FEMAP, an FE Analysis tool, is widely used from small shops to Lockheed, and is an NT-only product. Nastran, Abaqus, and all the other FE solver companies have big NT sales. All of the MCAD packages you mentioned, I-DEAS, Catia, ProE, Autocad, have equal or greater sales in the Windows space.


    Alias Wavefront, 3D Studio Max, and many of the other rendering packages are getting hotter on the Windows OS's, too.


    I think it comes down to hardware cost. Hopefully Linux will continue to grow in the engineering and effects space, because big companies are just growing sicker and sicker of paying tens of thousands of $ for Unix-native boxes like SGI (check their stock lately?). Luckily it looks like the art industry is adopting Linux ( Maya has a RedHat release), and I'm seeing some of it in the engineering space (Nastran has a cool distributed-process solutions package), but don't think that the non-PC *nix packages are going to continue to thrive. WinNT+cheap Intel hardware is MUCH cheaper than Irix+Octane.

  13. Re:Special Effects by dwhitman · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Any other halfway decent good book that has ever been made into a movie/film absolutely can not hold a candle to the book

    I can think of a few counter-examples. Catch-22. Slaughterhouse Five. A handful of others.

    Now granted, the movies were not as rich as the original novels, but then again, in most people can't read novels like those in 2 hours or so (and if they did, their experience wouldn't be as rich as if they worked through thoughtfully).

    Given the constraints of the format, movie version of novels can be every bit as good or better than the original, albeit different.

    Although usually they aren't.

  14. Re:Peter Jackson? The Peter Jackson? by bughunter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    • I'm really happy with this choice of directors.

    Umm, actually, if you've been paying attention at all you'd know that the project didn't choose the director, the director chose the project. It's his baby, New Line is giving him complete authority, and that's what's going to make it work.
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