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Solaris 9 Will Be Updated WIth Gnome 2.0
JAZ writes: "According to this article, 'The newest version of the GNOME open source desktop will not be ready in time to ship with Solaris 9 next year, but it will be included with a subsequent Solaris 9 quarterly update ...' Go Gnome!" I wonder if anyone truly prefers CDE.
Why? Because its smaller and runs faster - nuff said, I'm a speed freak. I don't need bells and wistles on my Sun's desktop, I'll save em for machines that aren't expected to compile large programs on demand and as fast as possible.
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I'm not big on Gnome or CDE but XFCE is a great WM I use it with Solaris and Linux it's similar to CDE but a bit more flexiable and quicker. IMO I don't see the big deal if Gnome ships with Solaris or not bacause you can always download it. But then again that may suck for people on a dial up connection.
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I think the reason for this is that Unix was never intended to be a desktop for the everyday home user. Sure people are trying to change linux int this and thats great but Solaris? I doubt it will ever make a dent in the desktop wars it just wasan't built for that. I use Sloaris at work and Linux at home but I couldn't picture my mother using Solaris, mandrake maybe...........
Snoozer.
Although the mention of KDE in an article about Gnome is just asking for a [-1 troll] rating (wouldn't it be terrible to allow any real debate on Slashdot?), you really have to ask whether Sun gave KDE fair consideration in making their decision. My bet is that their decision to use Gnome has more to do with the geographical location of its core developers than the code itself.
I work in a sun shop. I'm allowed to run FreeBSD on an old poweredge instead of using solaris on a blade or ultra5. Almost every person around (all sun) has grabbed the gnome addons cd and installed it. At first it's so they can get xmms installed easily. As soon as they see someone else running the gnome desktop and ask about it, they are hours away from running it themselves. I pretty much compile and run blackbox on everything including solaris when I'm forced to use it. :)
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Call me a troll, but how do you back up your statement "gconf is significantly better than the Windows registry"? I'm just curious in what way you find it technologically or usably superior.
I'm not all for the registry, but please, if you're going to make such outrageous statements, give some points, please!
FWIW, I actually use OpenWindows as my desktop (oh, the horror, the horror!) and along with olvwm, it does its job and stays out of the way. All my real work is done with xterms, gcc/cc, emacs (so go on, flame me) and custom astronomy software. If you ever had the misfortune to use AIPS, you'd be into B&D too.
With Linux (and gnome) on my laptop and on our newer production machines, I just don't know: it looks (and feels) clunky. What 5 year old drew those ugly icons? Even with the "tiny icons" on my laptop Gnome toolbar, the only icon I actually like is the simple red star of Mozilla. And my work is all at the command line, I don't use icons! But I still can't convince Gnome, even with repeated "Save settings," that I'd rather not have an icons for /dev/fd0 and /dev/hda cluttering my desktop. Non-intuitive, hard to learn (this from an OpenWindows user!!) and ugly: is there any reason for Sun to switch to Gnome besides saving development costs?
I, for one, am not impressed.
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So let's say they do what you say (make enhancements to improve usability that is). Then how would they release the changes? Hmmm... make a new version, perhaps? You don't think they just keep releasing the same code with new version numbers, do you?
BTW, the reason why the next version is GNOME 2.0 instead of GNOME 1.6 is because it will be using GTK+ 2. This follows the same convention as KDE, which jumped from 1.1 to 2.0 because (among other reasons) it was based on Qt 2.
listen, GCONF is sad... reason:
it generates a lot of subdirectories for e.g. nautilus.. over 40 subdirectories containing around 50-80 %gconf.xml files. now if you instalkl 20-30 apps then its a waste of space. not to mention that you cant maintain that shit anymore. oki i know you can write your own 1 milion backends for gconf but it doesnt change the fact that its fucked up system. no real usability for the enduser.
the gnome community usually aruguments with 'the normal enduser wont want to know that' but hell i never have seen that ENDUSER everyone involved in LINUX and GNOME has brain about the system otherwise he never gets it running. GNOME has turned into a useless piece of junk a lot of companies programmed their OWN ideas into GNOME and some of them went bancrupcy and remaining is only useless code. e.g. nautilus. permanent little tweaks but NO real enchancements because the gnome developers cant handle it. RED HAT is overtaking that project since no one else gives a fuck. the usability team behind GNOME are brainless morons nothing special. i know each of them.. well i am no troll and i dont like KDE myself but hey they ROADMAP for KDE is better, their implementation in KDE is better. write one plugin and use it in all other apps. we have this in gnome NOW named BONOBO but hey we have 200 apps for gnome now and only 10 are using BONOBO i really doubt that with GNOME 2.0 everyone will ever move to GCONF or make their app PLUGINABLE.. things look different on KDE..
I'm very excited for Gnome 2.0, not the least b/c it will support anti-aliased fonts. I know this is childish and stupid, but nothing makes your GUI look more professional that anti-aliasing. I use KDE for this at the moment, but KDE is lacking in other parts of the visual department. Gnome 2.0 sounds like just what I've been waiting for.
Anyone know how far off this really is?
I use Solaris. Once you've visited Sunfreeware.com and got all the things to make it into a proper UNIX (it doesn't come with a compiler, for heaven's sake! Unix without a C compiler is like a car without wheels!) Solaris becomes perfectly usable.
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In fact, after a visit to sunfreeware.com, Solaris feels pretty much like Linux
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I recently installed Ximian GNOME (recent release version) on my Sun Ultra 30 machine, and I've got to say that thing's a dog. It felt so sluggish it's not even funny.
Now I'm running KDE 2.2 on the box, and it's really snappy.
My only complaint is really slow opaque window dragging, but that's really Sun's fault, for somehow deciding not to include pixel-copy hardware 2D acceleration in their Creator3D framebuffers. (a strange reason why for some things, SunRay thin-clients feel faster at graphics) Anyone know if other newer Sun framebuffers fix this lack of feature?
you know, we can let some other companies do cool products and money too, we don't necessarly need big monopolistic companies owning everything around here...
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