.biz Open For Biz

fear.. by Anonymous Coward · 2001-11-07 20:16 · Score: 4, Funny

scientology.biz!

All domains resolve! by DaSyonic · 2001-11-07 20:19 · Score: 5, Informative

Lookup ANY .biz domain, even random characters. It resolves, to 209.173.53.173, which the web server there says basically: "Hey, want to buy this domain?"

Now to me, That is just NOT acceptable, and totally is NOT how DNS for a TLD should be done!

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Re:All domains resolve! by PyroMosh · 2001-11-07 20:56 · Score: 5, Funny

So what you're saying is

All your .biz are resolve to 209.173.53.173?

Okay, sorry, I couldn't resist! (:

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Re:All domains resolve! by Anonymous Coward · 2001-11-07 21:27 · Score: 3, Funny

The blurry dead eyes of the folks at the top of the screen scare me...
Re:All domains resolve! by Penguin · 2001-11-07 21:42 · Score: 5, Informative

... and furthermore, the webserver gives a "200 OK" as a response for a non-existing domain and no expire-date in the HTTP-header. Although no "Last-Modified"-header is supplied and the page might not be at all that cacheable, it is just plain wrong giving such a "correct" answer for a page that shouldn't exist in the first place.

It seems that the "security", NeuLevel provides, doesn't concern themselves.

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Re:All domains resolve! by MavEtJu · 2001-11-07 22:37 · Score: 3, Funny

[~] edwin@k7>telnet blaatblaatblaat.biz smtp Trying 209.173.53.173... telnet: connect to address 209.173.53.173: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remote host

Oooooh damned damned damned! That would be big spam-fun!

Edwin

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Re:All domains resolve! by Erik+Hensema · 2001-11-07 23:52 · Score: 3, Interesting

A much nicer sollution is used by the Danish: go visit dk to register a .dk domain.

I've heard this may fail in msie though.

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Re:All domains resolve! by midom · 2001-11-08 00:57 · Score: 5, Informative
It will have plenty of negative impact.
- SMTP sender check is no longer valid.
- Instead of bouncing 'domain not found' messages smtp servers will have to wait until port 25 responds (argh, tons of mail in queues, tons of bounces later)
- Scripts checking for existing domain (host) names will have to be redone to check the stupid damn undocumented IP address instead of normal NULL answer in resolver libs... Guys, this isn't only domain registration (more banners for registrars page) thing!
- Rest in peace John, but the organisation you left isn't listening to your advices and design. Your voice is required here.
- It is not standards conformant. Internet should be based on standards, because without normal common language we won't be able to talk.
I am working for ISP in .lt, that also focuses on web hosting and mail solutions and in both spheres I really hate what happens right now. As well as unneeded .biz TLD - maybe it has some urgency in USA where guys forgot they've got local TLD (.us) and even classified ones.
I hated new.net with their new suffixes, but right now I'm really angry about what official institutions (ICANN) are doing - adding banners to non-existing A records. Pals, this is application implementation, how it should display non-existing pages, not network information backend's.
Re:All domains resolve! by Dr.+Awktagon · 2001-11-08 05:55 · Score: 3, Funny

Yeah I went to microsoft.biz and sure enough there was a banner (with a freaky blurred photo of two people with no eyes, shiver) and an offer to buy. Well, shucks, if microsoft doesn't want it, can I buy it??

Let me be the first to say it: by Nailer · 2001-11-07 20:23 · Score: 3, Interesting

This sucks

Name a business that's not a commercial entity or a not for profit organization. There aren't any. Hence .biz is a redundant domain and a blatant money making scheme for Neulevel.

If namespace limits are a concern, then fix the registration policies in the US. In Au, a clever fellow called Robery Elz banned the registration of generic words, and limited the amount of domains a single company could use. This would go some way towards solving the problem.

So would migrating every .com over to .us or another country code over a five year period. Trademarks are register on a country by country basic and domains should be too.

Or including multipek fields (Apple (computer) as in computer products, Apple (records) as in music) in a new namespace.

Oh well. I think .biz will die in the ass anyway, so my little rant doesn't do anything much any.

Oh Puh-leez by ajuda · 2001-11-07 20:23 · Score: 5, Insightful

How many domains to we really need? This is sooo obviously a marketing ploy to get everyone to spend more money on domains they don't need. Owners of Ford.com will buy Ford.biz, Dell.com will soon have dell.biz. Are they any better off for .biz? Of course not.

Sure, some new people will take advantage of .biz domains. But now users have to remember even longer addresses for each website. Let's see, did I want to go to Shopping.com, shopping.org, shopping.net, shopping.biz or shopping.info? Enough already!

Re:Oh Puh-leez by smaughster · 2001-11-07 20:39 · Score: 5, Insightful

>. Let's see, did I want to go to Shopping.com, shopping.org, shopping.net, shopping.biz or shopping.info? Enough already!

Actually, this is a consequence of earlier mess-ups with domain names. I mean, we are currently "blessed" with domain names which are either regionally focussed (.uk etc.) or fall into a few large categories (.com/.org). In my opinion, regional domain names do not really make sense, since the whole point about internet is its global reach. Furthermore, the most well known domain names (.com, .org) are used as collection bins where everyone with a site wants to fall in. It would make much more sense if the rules for domain name categories were held more strict and if these categories were made more clear.

I mean, the distinction between .gov and .edu is clear, but .com or .biz? But if we keep holding on to the "few different domain names is good" idea, instead of "quite a few easy but understandle domain names is good" then this problem will remain.

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Re:Oh Puh-leez by mpe · 2001-11-07 21:35 · Score: 5, Interesting

Actually, this is a consequence of earlier mess-ups with domain names. I mean, we are currently "blessed" with domain names which are either regionally focussed (.uk etc.) or fall into a few large categories (.com/.org)

Except that .com, .net, .org have in effect been treated as .misc for quite a few years.

In my opinion, regional domain names do not really make sense, since the whole point about internet is its global reach.

On the contrary it's non geographic domains which make little sense for a whole set of things. Especially the sale of physical goods, even for non physical goods such as downloadable software or "ebooks" the physical location of the supplier is an important issue both in what currency you use and in the exact contract of sale which is entered into.
Telephones and "snail mail" also has "global reach", but you don't see demands for everyone to use non geographic telephone numbers and postal addresses (Typically if someone want's a less or even non geographic telephone number or postal address they pay extra for it. Ditto if it has some kind of "vanity content".)
Re:Oh Puh-leez by Roblimo · 2001-11-08 00:18 · Score: 3, Interesting

So true.

The domain I really wanted when I was still active in the limo business was roblimo.md.us because it would have told people where we were (Maryland, USA) at a glance. The old .us domain pattern of including the town and county (roblimo.elkridge.howard.md.us) added too much granularity and was too cumbersome to remember easily, which is why I never got interested in that one.

For local businesses I believe city.state/province.country or just state/province.country is best both for the business owner and potential customers.

I have gotten massive spam urging me to get a .biz domain, but I see no point to having one. I can claim copyright infringement against anyone who uses "Roblimo" in other TLDs if I choose, except perhaps against the Robin Miller in Baltimore, County Cork, Ireland who has a small limo service there, and I think he and I would be more likely to put up a "joint" page than argue, since we're certainly not competing with each other. :)

- Robin

.biz is booming ... by ninewands · 2001-11-07 20:28 · Score: 4, Insightful

As registrar for the new TLD Neulevel will undoubtedly make a TON of money as companies with significantly valuable trademarks rush to protect the value of their IP by registering all possible .your_TLD_here preceded by their trademark.

Or am I just a cynic?

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.com is just to prominent for this to work by Pointed+Stick · 2001-11-07 20:35 · Score: 3, Redundant

I can't imagine this being very successful. .com has become synonymous with the entire internet. Heck, internet startup's are even called "dotcoms" more often then not. I'd be willing to make a sizeable bet that the .com on the back of your address is more important then whatever's in front. Think about all the nonsensical names on the internet. Yahoo! springs to mind, and for that matter what does "Amazon" have to do with selling books? What makes those names successful is the fact that they are easy to remember and easy to spell.

One other thing .biz will have against it from the very start is the fact that there will always be a more marketable .com version for whatever name you can come up with. What we really need, for obvious reasons, is .xxx

Cheers!

-Pointed Stick

A nice mail I received from VeriSign... by sl8r · 2001-11-07 20:53 · Score: 5, Interesting

Check it out:

Dear .biz Requester:

VeriSign understands the personal and professional significance of having a unique online presence. It's our pledge to keep you completely informed about the status of your .biz domain name applications.

As you may be aware, the Superior Court of Los Angeles, CA, issued a preliminary injunction on October 11th temporarily preventing the activation of certain .biz domain names. Consequently, the .biz Registry, NeuLevel, has "frozen" any domain names where:

1) Multiple Domain Name Applications (DNAs) were submitted for the same domain name by one individual.

2) DNAs were submitted for the same domain name by multiple individuals.

3) One or more Trademark Notification (TN) claims and at least one DNA were submitted for the same domain name.

For any "frozen" domain names, the registrant has not been selected and NeuLevel has not yet announced when the random selection of registrants will begin. In addition, NeuLevel has not stated how the frozen names will or will not appear in the .biz WHOis database. The .biz domain names you requested that have been "frozen" are listed at the end of this email.

VeriSign is committed to giving you everything you need for success on the Web. We'll post any updates we receive from NeuLevel at http://newdomains.networksolutions.com. If you have any specific questions or concerns about NeuLevel's domain "freezing" process, please visit www.neulevel.com or e-mail them at support@neulevel.biz

For those wondering what domain I registered: It's my last name. Isn't it so that family names win over trademarks in a domain name dispute?

Here's to hoping it is...

I know at least one market for .biz by ShaunC · 2001-11-07 20:54 · Score: 4, Funny

...fuckedcompany.com. fucked.biz would be so much easier to type! And so much more appropriate...

Shaun

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Re:Damned Spammers.......... by PyroMosh · 2001-11-07 21:11 · Score: 5, Informative

So true... I run a lot of sites among them, some adult sites and what we've all been waiting for is some kind of adult oriented TLD. .sex or .xxx or .whatever. I mean what does it take?

- The sex industry wants an adult TLD
- US Congress wants it
- Keep our kids safe censor the net extreamists want it.

I havn't heard anyone that DOESN'T want it! When ICANN had their little circle-jerk summit last year to discus something like 30 or so sudgested new TLDs, everyone was CERTAIN which ones they'd pick! And did they pick even one of the obviously most useful ones to giving ORDER to the net? No. It's times like this that I just want to go back to dialup BBSes! I wish that ICANN would handle domains the way that 800 numbers are handled. You CAN'T buy or sell them. If it's available, you can register it, but if you don't want it any more, you can't transfer it to another party, it just goes back into the pool. The only exception is if it's owned by a business and the business changes hands.

If you asked me, that's the way to do it. It'll take care of the cybersquating problem right there.

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I've been seeing .biz for a long, long time! by asackett · 2001-11-07 21:25 · Score: 5, Informative

Open Root Server Confederation has been showing the first, original, REAL .biz for a long time now. I will never see any of Neulevel's colliders.

I Can Abandon ICANN, So Can You. Use the name servers of the Open Root Server Confederation.

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Personally... by dimator · 2001-11-07 21:58 · Score: 5, Funny

I'm waiting for .jiz for all the porn sites I frequent.

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.END for people who don't exist by MosesJones · 2001-11-07 22:51 · Score: 3, Funny

Yes thats right, aiming at the secret services and terrorist organisations around the world, the TLD for them its...

.end

Yes the new "Emperors new Domain" domain has all of the advantages of traditional domain names and so much less.

No DNS... yes thats right register your .end and noone will be able to find the site. This provides the secrecy required by todays spy and terrorist rings.

No connection, yes this is the TLD for those organisations that don't connect to the internet. Got a closed loop controlling your nuclear deterent ? No worries now you can hang out with those cool (but sadly unemployed) .com guys with you head held high with your .end address, safe in the knowledge that your so cool because they can't find it.

"I love the fact that I can't be found" - Mr Bin Ladle

"Not interested, we like our systems easy to hack" - Mr Cyril Ian Arthur

"My business was a total flop, it really is impossibly to find" - Mr Peter Orn head of sex.end

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So now i can create new Filters against .biz SPAM. by Quazion · 2001-11-07 23:00 · Score: 3, Interesting

Lets say all SPAM from non .biz domains is illegal and its legal from the .biz domain, meaning i would only need to filter .biz mail out.

When does life get so simpel ?

Quazion

Re:"Anyone going to buy a .biz" by Rogerborg · 2001-11-08 01:12 · Score: 3, Funny

Maybe then legitimate sites like xxx.soton.ac.uk can return to the regular web

My company's gifted IS department blocked xxx.soton.ac.uk. I phoned them up to get it unblocked, and the techie on the end of the phone asked me repeatedly if this was a sex site. God damn. I mean God damn. How dumb do you have to be to not just type it into a browser and see, and how dumb would I have to be to phone IS, give my name, and as for a "sex site" to be unblocked.

Er, sorry, this turned into more of an anti-IS rant. I had a point when I started, but it escapes me. ;-)

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A suggestion: dot-� by wowbagger · 2001-11-08 01:18 · Score: 4, Funny

How about the following for TLD's:

.© - for example, riaa.©, mpaa.©
.® - for all the corporations to have product domains (kleenex.®, q-tip.®)
.$ - for all the make-money-quick spammers (they seem to be largly US, but if needed, we can localize them with .£ et. al. )

Come on fellow /.'s, let's pool our money and set this up!

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