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Third Time Lucky for OPN
DanielS writes "We finally converted OPN to use dancer-ircd at about 7:40 last night (AEDT - UTC+11) - and this time it's staying! The conversion was successful, apart from some minor services wrinkles which we had to iron out. If you have any issues with channels/services/whatever, please pop by #conversion and /notice one of the ops, and we'll eventually wake up and help you. Happy IRCing! :)" He's talking about irc.openprojects.net- also worth checking out irc.slashnet.org.
Strangely, ever since the "first conversion", the DNS has been sloooow. And it still is. What gives? (I'm on a T3 here, so it can't be on this end ;)
My other car is first.
In case anyone doesn't know... this is the developer sanctuary. A place for developers to communicate without the weenies getting in the way.... well their are still weenies (this is irc ya know), but it is at least a more stable place. I've been using it to work on mod_mp3... stop by #mod_mp3 on irc.linux.com sometime.
It isn't a lie if you belive it.
"minor" services wrinkles? Bwhahahahaa.....more likely total service outage :) I know, that's why we ended up moving #twilight to another IRC server ;)
... it'll crumble in a week and forget who you are from time to time.
I have a tendancy to sit in #debian and try to help people out. Usually there is someone in the channel that can lend a hand, and as long as you're willing to rtfm you can usually acomplish what you're trying to do. It's nice to have a network like this where you can safely idle in the channel at work without having to worry about getting an invite to #goatse.cx just as your boss wanders by.
Desperation is a stinky cologne
I would like to thank lilo and the rest of the crew for their great effort to keep OPN running. And thanx for the way cool new services!!!!
Sig you!
In English, please. This is the front page, after all.
Aaaah, IRC, I used to hang-out on UnDeRnEt back in the day, I was the guy who started #pascal and got X/W into the channel at the time. Hung-out in #C++ alot also. Err I did until I got banned for insulting one of the Ops rather harshly. That was fun back then...I think I'll have to stop by OPN...I have once for help witht he DXR3 drivers...very useful network.
Derek Greene
I was disappointed to witness that some ops, even on OPN, unfortunately experience the power trip that comes with the ability to "kick" and "ban" people.
... face it, most kick/bans on IRC are not happening because of Spamming, warezing or harassment, but just because some kid was given "op" priviledge, and wants to experience that "god" feeling.
It could be your choice of nick they don't like, it could be that you argue with them and they don't like your opinion,
Hello,
:). Be sure to identify to your nick/channel at least once a month, or your nick/channel will be dropped.
:). If I have forgotten anyone else, which I am sure I have, my appologies, please do remind me - its not that I didn't appreciate.
I'm dent on Open Projects, and I'm the one who has been the manager for the conversion project.
The conversion has gone mostly smoothly this time - service was only down on each server for about 5 seconds. The database has been converted including the access lists for channels, which we did not do last time (yes, when the ircd was coring...).
If you are a channel founder who changed the default LEVELS in the old services (which has now been renamed LEVEL), your access lists were converted - but everyone's access level was set to 0 as the new services uses a different trust metric system.
Please also note that the auto-expire functions in services actually work now
If you are a founder and find yourself unable to change the access levels, you may find "/msg chanserv identify #channel yourpasswordhere" will do the trick for you. If not, drop by #conversion and we will be happy to help you.
I'd like to thanks lots of people for help with this project, its been great working with everyone. Not in any particular order, asuffield, jeremy, MysticOne, robster, cdlu, andy, Acapnotic, lilo, netgod, Teknix, John, crystalize, Matt, DanielS, ElectricElf, InnerFIRE, dark, draco, drow, matthewg, peidran, and someone else on #python who helped me with the db conversion who I feel horrible for forgetting their nick, please remind me if you read this
I hope you enjoy this new network code - it has been almost 2 years in the making.
SSL Certificate
Speaking as someone who's been on openprojects.net every day for the last 9 months, I'd just like to say.. .
Well done guys.
The first week of being an op in any major channel is the hardest...my advice to new ops:
/part, changing the topic for the sake of changing the topic, etc. Third, never ban for the first few months. Remember, there are other ops in the channel, and you are the new recruit. Do not make the higher powers regret their decision.
Don't do ANYTHING!
Don't kick, don't ban, don't change topic. Just treat yourself as a regular member of that channel. Then staying an op becomes rather easy. Second, don't engage in "joking" with your op powers for the first month at least. This means doing such things as kicking yourself rather than using
-Evan
So there.
some people have no sense of humor...
umm...this is news? Maybe if dalnet or undernet "upgraded" this might qualify as news but even then probably not. The only other thing that would make this news (rather than just a plug for an "underdog" irc network) would be if they were a fully encrypted irc network but that article has already done.
Aw, sour grapes.
I've never had a problem with the ops in the channels I frequent, and I've never seen you in any of those channels. Hardly surprising.
Stay out of #kick-me and you'll be fine.
In my favourite channel on OPN one of the operators kicks people when she's in a good mood, and never out of spite. She averages about 10 kicks a week.
If you find yourself getting kicked out of a channel, then go find another one. Or perhaps read their kick messages.
As soon as the change was made, ChanServ proceeded to kick and ban everyone on #OpenBSD. I heard this happened on quite a few other channels as well. One person even said that ChanServ flooded his channel with messages.
For the most part, things are running fairly smoothly now. Since the services are going to require you to identify yourself at least once a month, it funny watching OPs trying to get forgotten founder passwords replaced for their channels.
Go not unto/. for advice, for you will be told both yea and nay (but have nothing to do with the question)
#linuxOS has partially moved off OPN or "irc.lilo.nu" as we call it and formed a new network about 4 months ago (http://www.lilofree.net) to escape the tyrany of lilo. OPN is an inherantly ;) and leave OPN to die like the stinky
:)
evil network and diserves to die a slow painful
death. Please go back to you whatever network
you came from (EFnet has recovered a LOT in recent times and is nolonger in danger of being auctioned
on e-bay
valinux supported dictatorate that it is.
When I connect, I get prompted for a server password. :(
Didn't v1.0.21 come out a day after the changeover?
Slashdot? Oh, I just read it for the articles.
yeah right...
=)
It isn't a lie if you belive it.
To take a page out of OPN guidelines for catalysts:
Whenever we do invoke a privilege against someone it is because they are going out of their way to ignore OPN's (optional) channel guidelines and/or additional guidelines of that channel. #debian's own guidelines can be accessed by [/msg apt guidelines].Catalysts will always endeavour to take the time to carefully explain to someone how they are out of line with channel guidelines and mediate between opposing parties before using privileges are a last resort When possible, one catalyst will consult with another before this stage is even reached.
We try not to let our own personal emotions or beliefs get in the way of channel administration. Our role isn't to control the discussion by kicking out people who are 'on the other side of the fence' (and thus cause envy), but to keep channels calm and keep them public by members of the open source community and the public.
If you do have a legitimate complaint against an catalyst in future, what I suggest you do is approach the other catalysts within that channel [/msg chanserv access #channel list]. Most are appointed and dismissed by the consensus of a majority of other catalysts within a channel. If your complaint is legitimate, then other catalysts will reprimand him/her and may revoke their access if necessary in future. If you are still unsatisfied, then you may take it to higher levels such as those within the #openprojects for reconciliation.
OPN does not take lightly to access abuse as action such as what you have described would be very detrimental to the reputation of the OPN community as a whole. OPN is there to "provide an interactive environment for free software and open source projects and support groups", and we will always try to make everyone feel like they can be a welcome part of this community.
-- "I can't tell the future, I just work there." -- The Doctor
s/public/usable/
-- "I can't tell the future, I just work there." -- The Doctor
- Server sends redundant MODE changes, ie,
*** User1 sets mode: +o Friend
*** User2 sets mode: +o Friend
- Chanserv periodically de-ops everyone in the channel.
- Reliance on identd (shouldn't new ircds be working to deprecate this?)
But otherwise, it seems the same as before.
jesus, you're good at this whole "feeding the trolls" thing, aren't ya?
all the time I spent on IRC back.
It was pointless, time consuming and sometimes even dangerous (exploits and all).
...I've been a server admin for an IRC network that runs 2000+ peak users for the past few years. What do we need to do to get /. attention? Who the f*ck is OPN, anyways?
Confused
-b
If I wanted a sig I would have filled in that stupid box.
Is the almost identical names here a coincidence or not?
Dancer web page
... Which IRCd would you recommend? What are their advantages/disadvantages or better say, how do they compare in performing different tasks? Like: 'Which one is best for small LAN parties with up to 500 visitors?'
Any links or bits of information on this would be appreciated.
At 10:32 UTC, with less than 10 minutes to the 24 hour mark, the adminitrators sadly chose to revert the servers and services to their former state.
Do not mod the parent comment up, it was posted too early, mod it down if you must mod it.
Hi, I'm DanielS, who originally submitted the story. You can find me on irc.openprojects.net as DanielS, if you want to talk to me. Around an hour ago, OpenProjects started experiencing severe difficulties caused by a minor bug. All of our servers disconnected, and were all independent. Because of this, one of our operators took the decision to revert back to the old codebase. Please be assured that we are working on it, and hope to redeliver you to the dancer codebase very soon. It's been very upsetting for us to see the revert happen. As anything breaks, I will post news about it in #conversion, irc.openprojects.net. This channel is moderated, and is for operators to post news only. /msg me if you feel you have something newsworthy.
Thankyou for your patience and your support of OpenProjects Net. We hope to see you there soon.
It runs #slashdot and #slash (slashcode).
The channel #linuxhelp is founded by linux.com which is of VA Software.
It's also connected to irc.debian.org which means that there are a lot of people in #debian.
Furthermore it's the "official" #mandrake server.
And in #redhat are some redhat employees hanging out.
It also has #kernelnewbies of which Rik van Riel is founder I believe.
Well, don't worry about that. We can get you back before you leave. (Dr. Who)
This is what happens when you get larne
involved with upgrades^Wanything
[20:47:07] -ElectricElf- [GlobalNotice] Good morning to everyone in EST, and hello to everyone else :) Yes, we are currently back to ircu, instead of our new codebase, dancer. We are examining our options, but be assured the bug that caused us to revert back is known and has been fixed. It is currently being tested right now. Cross your fingers, please :)
it's sad that all the gnome, gtk and gimp people run their network. but xchat works fine with two and more server connections :-)
-- just a geek - trying to change the world
"IRC is like a game. You get a point every time someone kicks you or you make them cry."
- A.P.
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
[S+Z] [Sat Nov 10 18:46:01 2001] NOTICE: -lilo:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.
We're getting ready for another conversion attempt which we hope will
occur sometime before 06.00 OPN time (UTC). Various problems, including
a serious hash table corruption problem, have been resolved. The test
net is currently up on irc.openprojects.net:9000, but the latest
services database has not yet been converted.
[S+Z] [Sat Nov 10 18:47:15 2001] NOTICE: -lilo:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] We
believe that various access list conversion problems will be resolved
this time around. We'll keep you posted on status. Thanks for your
patience and thank you for using OPN.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 00:54:42 2001] NOTICE: -dent:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] Well,
services is up and running on the testnet-soontoberealnet. PLEASE come
and try the testnet out and report any bugs to #OpenProjects. Any OPN
server port 9000. Now is the time we want to find out....
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 01:57:08 2001] NOTICE: -ddent:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] So that
was an OPN minute, not a real one. Sorry for the delay, we have a few
eleventh hour fixups.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:14:01 2001] NOTICE: -ddent:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] All
engines tuned and ready. Please get ready for launch, and buckle your
seatbelt. The servers will be converted one by one, with a downtime on
each of about 5 seconds. Thanks for using OPN, and have a nice day.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- Welcome to the new
Open Projects network. We hope you enjoy
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- the new quality of
service that should be provided. If you
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- have any questions /
comments / concerns, please email
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice-
support@openprojects.net or drop by #OpenProjects.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice-
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- For problems with the
new network which require staff help,
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- please drop by
#conversion. If you think another user can
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- help you get going, or
you want to help others, please drop
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- by #conversion.users -
you will probably get a faster
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- response, as there
will be more people there hopefully.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice-
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- A note to all founders
of channels and users on channel
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- access lists. You
*must* identify to chanserv at least
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- once every 9 weeks or
your channel will be dropped. There
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- are 1551 channels in
danger of being dropped when channel
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- expiry is re-enabled.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice-
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- Daniel Dent
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 02:43:58 2001] NOTICE: -GlobalNotice- dancer-ircd conversion
project manager
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 03:02:42 2001] NOTICE: -dd:>*- Welcome to the new OPN
network!
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 04:48:27 2001] NOTICE: -lilo:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.
The problem with services is being looked at now. Apologies for the
weekend conversion madness, and thanks for using the network. Please
stop by #conversion if you run into any problems. 8)
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 05:06:57 2001] NOTICE: -lilo:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.
The problem with services is still being looked at actively. Apologies
again for the weekend conversion madness, and thank you for using OPN.
Expect some problems with access lists, but things look stable enough to
stay up, so we'll have to bull on through. Please stop by #conversion
if you have any problems!
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 13:30:16 2001] NOTICE: -ddent:$*- [GlobalNotice] Due to
problems with virtually every channel on the network, I'm considering
re-converting the services database. The changes will fix founder access
to channels, and nickname last user hosts, but will set the database
back 24 hours. If you have any objections please tell me now.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 13:33:05 2001] NOTICE: -ddent:$*- [Global] Well, there are
certainly lots of objections. I will see about fixing the access
without rolling back the db.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 18:54:34 2001] NOTICE: -lilo:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.
We had a brief configuration problem which resulted in users being told
they couldn't connect without a password. It's been resolved.
[S+Z] [Sun Nov 11 19:46:21 2001] NOTICE: -lilo:$*.net- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.
Reminder: There were some limitations in the conversion scripting for
chanserv. If you're experiencing channel problems, drop by #conversion.
Thanks.
[S+Z] [Mon Nov 12 01:16:35 2001] NOTICE: -dent:$*- Hello everyone, just wanted
to let you know that channel founders should now have access to their
channel regardless of their prior situation, it has been fixed for every
channel registered. There may still be some access lists which have not
had the levels updated - if you can't contact the founder we may be able
to help you. Anyway, if there are any outstanding issues, please feel
free to come bug us in #conversion.
[S+Z] [Mon Nov 12 04:48:43 2001] NOTICE: -ElectricElf:$*.openprojects.net-
[GlobalNotice] Good morning to everyone in EST, and hello to everyone
else
dancer. We are examining our options, but be assured the bug that caused
us to revert back is known and has been fixed. It is currently being
tested right now. Cross your fingers, please
www.pixelectric.com
/. should run a poll about the best IRC network.
EFnet
Undernet
IRCnet
DALnet
OPN
Slashnet
[...]
I don't know yet which network i'll run my channel on.
Alexis 'jeriqo' BRET
According to the /map and a dns lookup, here is the list of the actives OPN servers:
brin.darkrealm.net
suburbia.com.au
digital.linux.org.au
slug.progsoc.uts.edu.au
vc.bc.ca
picard.cistron.nl
mlf.linux.rulez.org
as1-5-1.an.g.bonet.se
plate.pkl.net
humbolt.nl.linux.org
netsplit.atnet.at
bilk.XCF.Berkeley.EDU
stampede.org
system1.foundryone.com
agony.evcom.net
The pointers to OPN include irc.debian.org, irc.freshmeat.net, irc.ghostscript.com, irc.gstreamer.net, irc.handhelds.org, openirc.ilrt.org, irc.linux.com, irc.linux.org, irc.linux-mm.org, irc.linux.org.au, irc.newsforge.com, irc.nl.linux.org, irc.kde.org, irc.kernelnewbies.org, irc.mojonation.net, irc.php.net, irc.pocketlinux.com, irc.redhat.com, irc.slackware.com, irc.stampede.org, irc.sourceforge.net, irc.windowmaker.org, irc.winehq.com and irc.zope.net.
Impressive, ain't it?
/me think slashnet should merge with OPN
Alexis 'jeriqo' BRET
Go back to your hole and die troll.