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Sega Drops Dreamcast Price To $50

kerskine writes: "Just read this article on CNET that says Sega has just dropped the price of the Dreamcast console to US$49.95. Given past articles on Slashdot on all sorts of fun Dreamcast projects, now's the chance to get one. Why not get two (in case you break one)?" See also this article on getting Linux to run on Dreamcast, and NetBSD is another option to explore. 8ight points out even more interesting Dreamcast information.

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  1. Firewall? by crow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article mentions that there is a "broadband adapter" that you can get for this--it's an ethernet port. Now if you could get it to work with two of them (I have no idea how the hardware works), then you could use this as a firewall/router. Since it's running on a CD, you don't have to worry about someone modifying files on it if they manage to hack in (which is unlikely, as the script kiddies wouldn't be up to modifying the x86-based Linux hacks to deal with the dreamcast, even if you didn't fix the known vulnerabilities). Of course, not having a hard drive also means limited logging.

    Anyway, something to think about.

    1. Re:Firewall? by RobertFisher · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, Sega stopped the manufacture of their "broadband adaptors" (BBAs) after just a few months on sale, and even then you had to purchase it directly from Sega.

      This limited supply, coupled with a high demand from gamers who want one for netplay (QIIIA, UT, and a precious few other games support the BBA), means the average going price for a BBA is far more than the DC box itself. A quick scan of eBay shows only one currently available, at a starting bid of $120 (!).

      So the cost of two of these puppies, and one DC box, would set you back far more than an Ethersys router, which is an all-around better option in any case.

      In addition, the DC has only one modem/BBA port; getting two to work with it would be nontrivial.

      Bob

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  2. Buy Two! by Exmet+Paff+Daxx · · Score: 4, Informative

    The absolute best part about this is that you can get two Dreamcasts for $100. Anyone who has ever player VOOT for the Dreamcast knows that there's pretty much no console based multiplayer game that has ever gotten within miles of being as good as this game. With game prices falling, now's the chance to put together a head-to-head system that will still be playable and extremely enjoyable 10 years from now when the console is both dead and obsolete.

    Don't believe me? The game is THAT good. I still play Lode Runner, and I'll be playing Virtual On ten years from now.

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  3. Great fodder for an arcade cabinet! by 2Flower · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's my project for December: turning my Dreamcast into a sweet arcade cabinet. Build a wooden frame or buy an empty one and use your dreamcast + cheap TV for an excellent combo. I'm estimating the whole project will come in under $300 bucks.

    I've seen MAME projects which use PCs and other gear, but this is the best value. You can burn a MAME emulator along with some roms on a bootable disc, you could buy Atari's Greatest Hits for 20... or if you like modern games, there are lots of arcade-straightforward titles like Crazy Taxi, Dead or Alive 2, and Marvel vs. Capcom 2 that make great pickupandplay games for a few minutes.

    Just because the system didn't make it in the market, don't write it off; the potential for hacking, modding, or simply playing quality games is high. And by the end of the year I'll have a standup version of Crazy Taxi to play...

  4. Re:What I want to know... by ccweigle · · Score: 5, Informative

    Amazon.com/Toys'R'Us has them for $49.99 US.

  5. Re:there are only 3 games... by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 5, Funny
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  6. I LOVE my Dreamcast...! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let me tell you about my Dreamcast: I use it to play games for NES, SNES, Sega Master System, MAME, Colecovision, Gameboy, and other systems, all of which are emulated (some near-perfectly) on the Dreamcast. An N64 emulator is reportedly in the works, too, as is an Apple ][ emulator, and more. I have run Linux on it successfully (although I wish I had a hard drive). I can also use it as an MP3 player, and using the newest VCD player I get full-motion, full-screen playback of VCDs on my TV (some earlier attempts were choppy, but the new player is great). I can use it as a web browser (if I want to see what the web is like on TV for some odd reason), or to send e-mail. Right now, I have it set up for my roommate to use for her e-mail so she doesn't need to "borrow" my computer. All that use out of it, and that's without even looking at the large library of Dreamcast Games. For 50 bucks, this thing is a steal.

  7. Re:128-bit linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually none of the 128-bit consoles (Dreamcast, PS2, GameCube & X-Box) have a 128-bit processor, I sincerely doubt one exists, only stupid reviewers from crappy gaming sites which haven't got a single clue on hardware talk about 128-bit consoles. The Dreamcast's SuperH 4 has a 32-bit datapath, the tweaked PowerPC 750 (G3) on GameCube too, the Vr5900 (that's a tweaked R5000 from MIPS) of the PS2 on the other hand has a 64-bit datapath but that doesn't do any real difference since the PS2 will never address more than it's 32 megs of RAM. And well, X-Box, talk about mobile Celeron ;-). Everybody is shouting about 128-bit consoles just because every one of those has some vector unit inside able to crunch 128-bit vectors (that is 4 32-bit floating point vars). Well, since the SH4 can multiply 4x4 matrices directly why not talking about the powerful 512-bit CPU of the Dreamcast :-)

  8. New Dreamcasts CANNOT run linux by SuzanneA · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Don't forget that the Linux/DC and NetBSD/DC ports rely on being able to boot from a CD.

    This is a functionality that Sega took away several months ago, meaning that the newer dreamcasts cannot boot Linux/DC, NetBSD/DC, the Bleem packs, the Utopia bootdisk, or anything else that isn't on a GDROM.

    The $50 dreamcasts are a nice cheap game system, but don't buy a new DC expecting to run linux or netbsd just by burning the images on the net to a CDR.

    1. Re:New Dreamcasts CANNOT run linux by The+Vulture · · Score: 5, Informative

      I used to work at Sega (and since the information is widely available on the net now, I don't think that there's any harm in posting it here, despite the little contract I signed with them when I got laid off).

      It's not so much the board as it is the BootROM in the Dreamcast.

      A little history here (as recounted to me by a few Sega of Japan people)... Sega of Japan (SOJ) originally intended the Dreamcast to run off of GD-ROMs only, but the problem is that GD-ROM discs cost $13 (at least, that's what the blank ones we sold to game developers cost, I have no idea what the mass production expense is). The problem is that Sega then decided that they wanted to distribute free demo discs, and the cost of GD's for this purposes was astronomical. So, they came up with this MIL-CD format that would also boot on a Dreamcast, a regular CD (in media) but had a special signature that the BootROM checked for.

      SOJ thought that their little secret was safe (through security by obscurity), until somebody discovered it. I don't have any concrete facts on who did, the rumor that I heard is that the Bleem team (who are very intelligent people, BTW) had a MIL-CD imported from Japan and cracked it that way . Of course, at this time, the GameShark was starting to exploit the MIL-CD format. Then the cracking groups started exploiting it (presumably by looking at GameShark).

      At this point, Sega of Japan didn't really care, but Sega of America (SOA) was mightily pissed - our third-party developers were not impressed. There was some internal experimentation on copy-protection/anti-cracking schemes (which I will NOT discuss), and we also lobbied SOJ to put out a new BootROM (v2.0?) that did not allow for booting from CD's. Once they had used their depleted stock of previous (1.1 I believe) BootROM's, then they started using the new chips.

      The problem is that there were many hardware revisions of the Dreamcast, so you can't necessarily guarantee by a date (or version number) whether your DC will boot CD's or not.

      Of course, there is some legality regarding using the MIL-CD format - Sega intentionally put in some Sega trademarks in the BootROM and the MIL-CD format, so that the only way to have them boot is to contain that Sega text. Thus, in theory, you are subjecting yourself to trademark infringement cases (they did this as a result of Sega v. Accolade, way back when).

      -- Joe

  9. Re:An other one bites the dust. by Gizzmonic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The AC above me got it right. SEGA released the DC in Japan during the midst of its worst recession since post-WW2. However, the American launch was big (sold more in one day than the Saturn sold the entire time it was being produced.)

    As close as I can estimate from looking at some press releases, the DC moved at least 5 million in the US, 2 million in Europe.

    It has a large library of games, not as big as the Playstation, but it has a much better crap:good ratio. Games are cheap new or used ($20-$30 range for most).

    Doing useful stuff with Linux requires the Broadband adapter or "DC Coder's Cable" (modified serial cable). Both are available from lik-sang.com

    The homebrew community continues to make impressive contributions. check boob.co.uk for more info.

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  10. Sorry to ruin all your beowulf fantasies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    But the Broadband (Ethernet) adaptor is extremely rare. It costs over $100 on ebay. So your DC node is going to cost you around $150 each.

    Better uses include playing games (duh!), internet appliance (comes with 56k modem), and the emulators/mp3 stuff.

    Just don't count on networking it for a decent price!

  11. Emulators for the DC by nft · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seems like boob.uk is slashdotted right now, but also check out dcemulation for news about emulators for the DC. There's a bunch.

    There's also quite a few cool proggies to do other things with your dc. MPEG vid players, streaming mp3 players, and demo disks to check out.

    And if you're thinking about running linux on the DC, my man Fivemouse has got 119MB Disk Juggler images you can dl and burn up. And check out his GBA webserver while you're there.

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  12. Re:Modem/Ethernet? by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's PCI. All the spccs for all the Dreamcast hardware are described in detail here.

  13. Re:there are only 3 games... by racketboynick · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dude!
    Just do a little investigating and you'll find that Dreamcast has a ton of awesome and addicting titles that most systems don't have.
    (Sega makes a good deal of them)
    Just to name a few...
    Jet Grind Radio
    Space Channel 5
    Sonic Adventure 1 and 2
    Shenmue
    Soul Caliber
    Virtua Fighter 3tb
    Sega GT
    Lots of good Capcom titles (Resident Evil, Street Fighters)
    All the Sega Sports titles

    check out
    http://www.dreamcastplanet.com
    for lots of good info!

    plus for emulators to run on the DC, check out
    http://www.dcemulation.com

    I Love Dreamcast!
    Sega Rules! :-)

  14. Re:consoles by Chundra · · Score: 4, Informative

    You don't need to actually fabricate a cartridge. Just pick up one of the Super Famicom/SNES "development and backup consoles" here.

    It's been a while since I owned one (1993 I think) but even back then, you could copy, disassemble, and hack every game that existed on these little buggers. Back when Street Fighter II just came out on the Famicom, some friends and I patched the nintendo version to behave like arcade hacks popular at the time (check out the various sfII
    roms for mame if you don't know what I'm talking about).

    They were, and probably still are, pretty fun.

  15. Offtopic: Slashdotter hardware interests by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's always interesting see the different reactions to hardware on Slashdot.

    Dreamcast: Mostly gushing praise, even though Sega is a huge corporation (and Slashdotters in general seem to be anti-corporate, at least in theory).
    Mac: 80% flamingly negative, 20% positive. OS X is changing this somewhat, though it seems most people don't want UNIX being used by people who aren't geeks.
    iPod: High praise, though some people hate it because it's from Apple.
    iPaq: Generally positive.
    PS2: Brings out lots of anti-console rhetoric; negative overall.
    Xbox: 60% positive, generally from people who dislike Sony and Nintendo and want a console to be more computer-like. This is even though Microsoft is usually hated otherwise.
    Transmeta: 90% negative, though often for no real reason.
    Intel: Intel suxors, down with Intel!
    AMD: We'll make another exception to the "multi-billion dollar corporations are evil" rule, because we like those inexpensive processors.
    Amiga: Misty-eyed nostalgia, including some people who incorrectly think that the Amiga sported the world's first multitasking OS. About 10% of the responders are still fighting the "Amiga is better than ____" battle, like Japanese sailors on small islands in the 1950s who didn't know WWII was over.

  16. These will too boot on CDR's and even CDRW's by cybrthng · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have purchased 4 dreamcast systems, 2 for me and 2 as gifts, all of them have been able to play cdr's and the one i use i've moded to read cdrw's as well.

    It includes 1 09/09/99 unit, 2 sportspack units and one unit purchased at bestbuy on latest batch 3 weeks agai.

    All play jap imports using the hacked bootdisk by utopia

  17. Re:Sound output?? by anotherone · · Score: 4, Informative
    Oh, you mean something like the Blaze dreamcast MP3 player?


    review on IGN

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  18. cheapest internet access ever? by Docrates · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have never seen a dreamcast in action other than those demo units you see in some stores, so I'm not sure if what i'm about to say will be as wrong as that email from kabul Katz told us about

    Can I buy a dreamcast, a keyboard, connect it to the internet and have it run a browser? if this is so, this is the cheapest way to setup an internet cafe, and since I live in a third world country, I can actually see this being an option for inernet access on very poor regions, where telephone service is available, but computers are out of the question.

    anyone knows about this? I think I might be willing to donate several if this is viable.

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