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Andromeda To Become Less Complex?

Prehensile Plant writes "After 7 years of Voyager and now the godawful Enterprise, the guy responsible for everything good about Deep Space Nine has just been sacked from the show he developed. Robert Hewitt Wolfe has parted company with the last bastion of scifi for people with half a brain - Andromeda. Wolfe said: "Basically, they want the show to be more action driven, more Dylan-centric, and more episodic. They also want more aliens, more space battles, and less internal conflict among the principal characters. Also, they want a lot less continuity so as not to confuse the casual or new viewer with too much backstory." Slipstream has the full scoop.

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  1. godawful Enterprise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    godawful Enterprise

    About the only thing objectionable about Enterprise thus far has been the contrivance of the distrust between Vulcans and Humans. It's as if the writers simply wanted to invert tradition for the pure hell of it.

    Other than that it has been somewhat entertaining.

  2. Worst Episode Ever by s20451 · · Score: 3, Informative

    After 7 years of Voyager and now the godawful Enterprise,

    In the immortal words of Bart Simpson:

    Hey, I know it wasn't great, but what right do you have to complain? ... They're giving you thousands of hours of entertainment for free. What could they possibly owe you? If anything, you owe them.

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  3. I can see the point... by Have+Blue · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...of wanting less continuity. Too much continuity does make it hard for new viewers to get into. I have never watched Babylon 5, for the sole reason that I would like to watch it from start to finish in the correct order, which is virtually impossible now that I missed its heyday (no one runs it any more and it's far to large to rent, even if it was available). Having less (not no) continuity would allow people to pay close attention to every episode if they wanted to , but not get totally confused by missing a show or two. The X-files actually did this pretty well (for a while).

  4. My favorite quote by LordNimon · · Score: 5, Insightful
    from Sorbo: "Robert is a genius, but was developing stories that were too complicated and too clever for the rest of us to understand."

    Translation:

    "Despite the fact that the average Sci Fi viewer is ten times more intelligent than the average soap opera viewer, we didn't think they'd be smart enough to follow a complex story line. Also, it doesn't make a difference if the episodes are bad, just as long as more people watch them. Only Star Trek geeks have pride in their work."

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    1. Re:My favorite quote by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Funny
      Alternate Translation:


      "We will finally do something I can understand - less 'Star Trek' and more 'Hercules'. I'll be able to read my script without getting a headache. And I hope to be wearing tight leather pants soon."

  5. That's exactly what's wrong with Enterprise by alen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All the strange new worlds have been discovered. They should concentrate the show on the wars with the Klingons, Romulans and conflicts with other species. After more than 10 seasons of strange new worlds what else is left? How many more humanoid type races can the make up artists think up? All the alien races on star trek are very simplistic and concentrate on one quality of humanity. By now I think they are out of qualities and should have the human race covered.

    I liked the pilot, but all the other episodes are hardly original and even kind of boring. Perfect example is a few weeks ago when they went to the planet colonized 80 years ago that got irradiated and the humans now live underground. They should fire the writers. It sounded so stupid trying to invent a new dialect for those people and making it sound like bad Shakespeare.

  6. Well... by J.C.B. · · Score: 3, Funny

    There's always Farscape and Lexx.

  7. Re:Wait on second by alen · · Score: 3, Funny

    Jerry Springer is awesome once in a while. I liked the episode when this woman broke up with her boyfriend because she found a new one. On show she found out that her new boyfriend had a twin brother and they were both screwing her without her knowing. One would be having sex while the other hid in the bathroom. OF course it was never explained what would happen if she wanted to go to the bathroom.

  8. Re: "no one runs it anymore" by CrusadeR · · Score: 4, Informative
    That's not true unless you lack cable television (I'm assuming you're in the USA).

    Sci-Fi (http://www.scifi.com/babylon5/) has been running Babylon 5 episodes (and the movies, and the 13 episodes of the follow up series Crusade on occasion) in order for over a year now. I missed it during the original run, but have since seen the vast majority of the show during this new run.

    Moreover, they funded a new B5 movie which will air in January, B5: Legend of the Rangers (http://www.scifi.com/b5rangers).

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  9. A Sign of the Times by hillct · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's sad that producers have such a low opinion of viewers these days, that they choose to dumb down otherwise intentionally texdured and compled material. Gene Rodenbury would be rolling over in his grave if his ashes weren't floating in space.

    The scary thing is the producers might be right. The steps probably will improve ratings for the show, which is a pathetic comentary on television audiances.

    Also, I periodically watched 'Earth: Final Conflict' but this season the producers decided to trash the plot arc and introduce an episodic action driven cookie-cutter plot strategy. There really isn't any good Sci-Fi out there, except perhaps Stargate-SG1 and The Outer Limits.

    On the other hand, since none of us are actively producing television series, we don't really have much of a right to complain. Some may say that producers should listen to us because we, the audience, are the 'customers' and are always right, but certainly the changes being made to these shows are based of viewer feedback and focus groups, with the intent to improve ovarall ratings and thus proffit.

    Perhaps the programming via subscription model that as tried several times a few years back, needs to be applied to Sci-Fi series. I havn't heard much about this model ($19.95 per season per viewer) recently which leads me to believe the original attempts ere spectacular failures, but perhaps with the more dedicated audiences of Sci-Fi, it would work better.

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    1. Re:A Sign of the Times by cybercuzco · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It's sad that producers have such a low opinion of viewers these days, that they choose to dumb down otherwise
      intentionally texdured and compled material.

      As I write this, I just got finished watching "Jaywalking" on the Tonight show. It was the thanksgiving episode, and this time Jay pitted people on the street vs first graders on thanksgiving knowledge. People on the street didnt know that the pilgrims came over on the mayflower, in 1620, landed at plymouth rock or wore hats with buckles (actually they probably didnt wear hats with buckles, but for the sake of tradition) People also didnt know that the first thanksgiving was between the pigrims and the indians. My favorite line went something like this:


      Jay: So who was at the first thanksgiving?


      inDUHvidual:It was the Pilgrims and um, i guess the white guys


      Jay: So the pilgrims sat down with the white guys


      inDUHvidual: yeah


      Jay: So who were the pilgrims if they werent white guys?


      inDUHvidual: They were the indians


      Granted, Jay does all his stints in southern califronia, but keep in mind that most TV shows are made there too, and these are the type of viewers that TV execs think populate the rest of the country.

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  10. Re:Wait on second by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can see the next two Sci-Fi series now:
    - StarFleet's Most Exciting Chases
    - When Klingons Go Wild

    Oh yeah, and several stupid "reality TV" dating/elimination shows. (But with aliens)

    Maybe they'll turn TROOPS into a series...

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  11. Re:I don't know by gilroy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Blockquoth the poster:

    sci-fi is all about an escape from reality

    How I hate when people spout tripe like this. Sci fi is not about "escaping reality". It is not. It never has been. If it is "escapist" at all, it's about escaping into reality -- into a Universe larger and more awe-inspiring than the insipid little minutae with which we fill our lives.


    Science fiction is not about spaceships and little green men, time travellers and miracle cures. It's not about gadgets and gizmos. It's not about a million different outcomes to the roll of the dice. Science fiction, at its best, is about being open to new ideas and new ways of thinking about things ... it's about challenging orthodoxy and imagining that things could be different, even at a fundamental level. It's about understanding what it is to be human by examining those who aren't.



    Perhaps three quotes by John Campbell typify what science fiction really is:

    • The basic rule of SF is: Set up a basic proposition--then develop its consistent, logical consequences.
    • No literature is sound, no philosophy of action workable, if it doesn't take a hard look at itself.
    • (paraphrased) Give me an alien who thinks as well as a man, but differently.
  12. Lucy Lawless... by Robber+Baron · · Score: 3, Funny

    They also want more aliens, more space battles, and less internal conflict among the principal characters. Also, they want a lot less continuity so as not to confuse the casual or new viewer with too much backstory."

    Wonderful! Next thing you know, you'll start seeing a few guest appearances by Lucy Lawless...

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  13. TV that doesn't suck (and some that does) by IronChef · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of the shows current on, here are some of my ratings. All IMHO, of course.

    shows I like with few reservations
    24 (VERY GOOD, try it out.)
    ER (there's more to life than SF)
    Buffy
    Angel (I actually far prefer this to Buffy these days, it has a "quirkiness" that reminds me of Herc & Xena)
    Stargate SG-1 (best SF currently on, ties with B5 overall, on course to overtake it)
    Junkyard Wars
    Good Eats (the cooking show that's so good it inspired me to learn to cook)
    The Sopranos (on hiatus)
    Six Feet Under (on hiatus)
    Malcolm in the Middle

    shows that I watch despite some pretty serious flaws, though I feel kind of dirty after a viewing
    Enterprise
    Alias (Sidney has terrible, terrible fieldcraft and most of the tech is totally silly, otherwise pretty neat)
    X-Files (increasingly incomprehensible!)

    shows I really wish I could learn to like
    Farscape (Saw it twice: blue-girl got a cold, and a monster in a cheap-looking mine. Lame.)

    shows that even prisoners of war should not be made to watch
    Lexx
    Andromeda
    Earth: Final Conflict
    Dark Angel (She has cat DNA, so she goes into HEAT. That was the last of many straws.)

    It's late and I have probably forgotten something obvious.