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Toshiba Pocket PC e570 Review

msolnik writes: "PocketNow has a review of the new Toshiba Pocket PC e570. With an integrated CompactFlash Type I/II, Secure Digital (SD) slot, a 206Mhz StrongArm, and upto 64MB of ram the Toshiba is going to give the IPAQ a run for its money. Just FYI with some slight modifications the Handhelds.org IPAQ Linux distro should run just fine on the Toshiba."

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  1. Another PDA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Another PDA?

    Uh, is this only newsworthy, cause the submitted said "it might be able to carry a linux distro"?

    In that case, my toilet may carry a linux distro. Is that news?

    Must be a slow news day....

  2. Yes Virginia, size does matter by KarmaBlackballed · · Score: 2

    Geez, expensive, heavy and big. I already have a desktop PC.

    I'll stick with my Handspring for now thanks. (Cheap, light, and small.)

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    1. Re:Yes Virginia, size does matter by john@iastate.edu · · Score: 2
      Huh?

      According to the article: The e570 is one of the smallest devices on the market; its only bulge appears in its thickness because of the two slots. Both a lightweight and a small guy.

      It's about the same weight and height as iPAQ.

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    2. Re:Yes Virginia, size does matter by KarmaBlackballed · · Score: 2
      Handspring (I have an older model that barely fits in my shirt pocket):

      4.7 ht, 3.1 width, .4depth.

      iPaq:

      5.11 ht, 3.28 width, .62 depth

      The differences seem small on paper, but not when you are trying to lug a PDA around everywhere whithout having to think about it.

      bulge appears in its thickness because of the two slots

      Ouch. This is a big deal. We are not talking about a laptop here. How many PCIA slots would be okay for your watch? A PDA should be just as convenient.

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    3. Re:Yes Virginia, size does matter by bribecka · · Score: 2

      Handspring (I have an older model that barely fits in my shirt pocket):

      First off, as attractive as that must be to have a friggin PDA hanging out of your shirt pocket, I think most people put them in their pants pocket or even a backpack.

      Second, I have an iPaq and I've never had any problem "lugging" the extra .41" height around. It's not like you're talking about 4 inches. But then again, I have no idea who *needs* 2 slots in the PDA, plus a SD slot. Seems a little like overkill.

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    4. Re:Yes Virginia, size does matter by KarmaBlackballed · · Score: 2

      And a pocket protector is stylish?

      PDA's are not about looking good. They are about having the info you need when you need it. Like having a watch on your wrist gives you the time when you want it without hassle.

      Like I said, my Handspring is already almost too big. I'm sure in a few years I'll look at it and wonder how I ever put up up with it.

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    5. Re:Yes Virginia, size does matter by bribecka · · Score: 2

      And a pocket protector is stylish?

      No, that's why I don't wear one of those either.

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    6. Re:Yes Virginia, size does matter by bribecka · · Score: 2

      Actually, I've been wanting the two CF slot sleeve for my iPaq. Mostly because I use it like a very light-weight laptop:

      But you're not going to be carrying all that around in your pocket, right? It seems a bit much to have *all* the time. That's why I like the iPaq so much--you can just add on what you need when you need it, and take the smaller unit most other places.

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  3. Re:Toshiba website? by ergo98 · · Score: 2

    I don't see any mention of this on their official site. Anyone have a link to the data sheets?

    http://www.csd.toshiba.com/pda/pda_home.html. There you have 7 seconds to find it!

  4. Umm, Try again by brunes69 · · Score: 2

    The e570 is one of the smallest devices on the market; its only bulge appears in its thickness because of the two slots. Both a lightweight and a small guy.

    Try again genius. Maybe next time by READING the article, instead of glancing at the pictures and making a lame first post attempt.

  5. The e570s Official Homepage by msolnik · · Score: 4, Redundant

    The e570s Official Homepage is The e570s Official Homepage. They have features, specs, videos, and accessories on there.

    1. Re:The e570s Official Homepage by brunes69 · · Score: 2

      Too bad the video clips are unviewable for most of us.

  6. Re:Oh great... by turbine216 · · Score: 2

    so quit trying to "keep up". Buy one that suits your needs, and keep it. If there aren't any handhelds that suit your needs, then don't buy one.

  7. Linux on the e570 by Walter+Bell · · Score: 2, Informative
    One of my friends has an e570 and he has been running Linux on it for a few days. He told me he has had a mixed experience with it:

    • He has not been able to get it to use the CompactFlash slot, but he said there is a kernel patch that addresses the issue (which he hasn't had time to test yet)
    • Support for power management on these devices is quite a bit different from standard PCs, and is a bit quirky.
    • The StrongArm chip is blazingly fast, and the system is considerably more responsive with Linux on it.
    • He tried NetBSD on it a few days back, but wasn't able to get GGI to work properly.
    • His next big project is to get ext3 or JFS running on it, to avoid corrupting flash memory cards.


    ~wally
  8. Ummm, no knowlege outside this article? by KarmaBlackballed · · Score: 2

    One of the smallest pocketPC devices, not even close when compared to Palm devices. Do some research dude.

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  9. NTSC out? by drenehtsral · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What i'd really like is an NTSC video out on one of these buggers, 'cause that'd make it a perfect wearable (not to mention a really cool portable on-the-spot presentation machine. Just imagine, plug into the projector and run, no hassle).

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  10. Re:Palmtop pictures (slightly OT) by KarmaBlackballed · · Score: 2

    No, this is much bigger in size and weight. Ohh, and price.

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  11. What does a SD slot get me? by weave · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'd like to know from whose perspective the "security" part of this SD card is to benefit. I have a feeling it's not for me and my data...

    What does it get me that a plain ole CF card would not give me?

    1. Re:What does a SD slot get me? by lizrd · · Score: 3, Informative
      The security part has rather little use to anyone. The secure digital people claim that it uses an encryption system similar to that used in DVDs for content protection. Take that for what it's worth.

      The advantage to this kind of slot is that it also reads Multi Media Cards which are pretty much like a 1/4 size version of Smart Media Cards and don't have any "content protection" schemes involved. The gain here is that you can stick a MMC in the SD slot and have a bunch of extra storage space for your MP3s and maps and stuff and still have the CF slot open for a modem or network adapter without the extra bulk of a second CF slot.

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    2. Re:What does a SD slot get me? by darkonc · · Score: 2
      I had a similar queston... From the 'secure digital' site....
      . . . . This security technology has been designed to comply with current and future Secure Digital Music Initiative (SDMI) portable device requirements, making it an excellent medium for the distribution of digital content, including digital music.
      In other words, you'll be unable to copy certain types of data... This 'security' probably has little, if anything, to do with consumer freedom.
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  12. Re:Oh great... by RedX · · Score: 2

    I'm assuming you purchased the iPaw 37xx series, which was the bargain-priced PocketPC 2002 iPaq precisely because it lacked the expansion capabilities that all other PocketPC 2002 devices have.

  13. You must have problems if you need journaling by cybrthng · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you need a journaling filesystem on your handheld, you have problems.

    I have had WinCE devices and Palm Devices since basically 1.0 days, and NONE have ever had "corrupted flash memory cards" unless i stuck the thing through a high powered xray machine on one of my hundreds of flights i have taken.

    "Considerably more responsive with linux on it"..

    Strange, i can watch movies, play mp3's, play doom, and tons of other things on my Compaq running CE 3.0 (as well as surf the net, check email, view appointments, view docs, record memos and voice notes) and my unit "seems considerably more responsive" then i have ever seen linux run on these.

    oh well, to each there own.

  14. Re:Is there any real use in these thing ? by thenerd · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't see anyone using them for Quake or DOOM.


    You haven't looked hard enough!

    Download Quake, Doom, a flight sim, and a NES emulator here:
    www.pocketpcpocket.com.

    thenerd.

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  15. Journaling is a way of life...JFFS2 by runswithd6s · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, there's a filesystem designed for this very application. It's called JFFS, or Journaling Flash Filesystem. The original development for the filesystem was done by Axis Communications, but it has since migrated to the kernel proper under the term JFFS2. You can probably follow discussions regarding this filesystem and the kernel API at the Memory Technology Devices site. Check out the mailing list archives and/or subscribe to linux-mtd from the aforementioned site.

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  16. Another fast PDA with gaming problems by desideria · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apparently, the device doesn't recognize diagonals on the game pad. This makes it almost completely useless as a gaming device.

    This issue seems even more annoying than the button problems on the iPaq, but hopefully Toshiba can fix with a software patch, or at least in future hardware revisions

  17. Re:Ubiquitous Processors by tercero · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hitachi makes a better processor called the SuperH. But why no one is using it is beyond me.

  18. Re:Oh great... by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 2


    "And the iPaq was state of the art. Now most devices have built-in slots."

    How funny that we would consider the inclusion of CF/PCMCIA slot(s) "state of the art" in the year 2001. I remember my first WindowsCE device (HP300 LX I think) --- it had CF and PCMCIA over 4 years ago (not to mention that PCMCIA slot in my HP200LX in the mid 90's), and now we think that the inclussion of CF/PCMCIA in an IpaQ type device is state of the art....More evidence to suggest that the companies building the tech stuff have no clue what would make their devices a "killer MUST HAVE device..."
    P.S. -- I am having a hard time getting used to the Palm I have nowadays....The lack of a keyboard or a PCMCIA slot is a hard pill to swallow....(I am not talking about those wierd fold up keyboards that are bigger than the PALM itself....)

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  19. Re:Is there any real use in these thing ? by Wolfier · · Score: 2

    >Playing games ?
    >With this display you really can't go any
    >further then gameboy style one. I don't see
    >anyone using them for Quake or DOOM.

    For many, gameboy style games are vastly superior to any Quake/Doom incarnations.

  20. Re:Is there any real use in these thing ? by Wolfier · · Score: 2

    You have your right to be anti-technology if you don't like any of the palm sized devices.

    I for one, find keeping addresses on a palm more convenient than on the "notebook (the paper ones)".

    I'll never again use the "notebook (the paper one)" to "keep address etc."

    Of course you have the right to not like them - the world is divided among different opinions...

    However, I think modding the parent as "insightful" is quite a stretch of reality.