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Alien Atmosphere Hubbled

b-side.org writes "Yahoo! News has a story on yon giant hubble mirrorscope thingy locating an alien, mostly sodium, atmosphere. X10.com popunder ads also included free of charge." Mm....let's mix that atmosphere with water. T cuts in: This turns out to be the major discovery hinted at a few days ago.

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  1. Drake Equation by gandalf_grey · · Score: 5, Interesting
    What effects have the recent (relatively) discoveries of extra-solar planets, and now atmospheres, done to change the results that one can get from the drake equation?

    Obviously, it's still highly contraversial. However, now that it seems very likely that there are thousands, millions and billions of planets out there everywhere... we must assume many earth like planets as well, IMHO.

    Anyone care to submit their suggestions as to the number of (potentially) intelligent civilizations lurking around?

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    1. Re:Drake Equation by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Funny
      It turns out most planets are Jovian, no solid ground means no life (intelligent anyway).


      Let's not be too hasty in discounting life there; perhaps life could have evolved in the form of giant alien gasbags.

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    2. Re:Drake Equation by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 4, Informative

      what has it been restricted to? the outer ring because of the lower amount of radiation?

      1) we have only found mant Jovian planets because our technology make them easiest to find and Terran type planets would have to be implyed in minuet almost imperceptable shifts in the angle of light coming from the Jovian planet as the terren planet passes it in orbit.

      2) Moons around Jovian planets may also house life....moons tend to be made of Rock and most Jovian planets found have been 10-50 times the size of Jupider so those size plantes could easily house an earth sized moon.

      3) the Universe is a huge undefinable place.

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  2. wtf? by deglr6328 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Could you possibly have chosen a more incoherent and factually incorrect submission for posting? The atmosphere is not mostly sodium as "b-side.org" seemingly just guessed. The reason sodium was measured is because it is relatively easy to detect. NASA has a more informative story.

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    1. Re:wtf? by Incongruity · · Score: 4, Funny
      LOL! I'm with you, deglr6328.

      I also loved the "photo" that is included along with the Yahoo! news story...it's an "artist's impression" of the distant planet. Oh but it gets better... below the 'photos' section there's a 'audio/video' link to an AP story entitled "Chemicals Found on Faraway Planet ".

      In all seriousness, this discovery is really interesting, at least to me. Then again, every time the Hubble is used in something new, I am impressed considering its rocky beginings and the amazing in-orbit mirror replacement that had to be done just to get it working. All that aside, the story that this submission is linked to makes me cringe.

      Call it geek ellitism if you must but it just seems like such a dumbed-down treatment of the story in some ways. Most of the content is really cool, but the headlines/bold-points (like "INHOSPITABLE, BUT STILL BREAKTHROUGH") and the extra stuff (as mentioned before) are laughable. Am I wrong or is this a little...well...lite?

      I'm really not trying to troll; the point seemed worth mentioning/discussing.

    2. Re:wtf? by cperciva · · Score: 4, Informative

      Reuters are idiots. From the NASA press release:
      The astronomers actually saw less sodium than predicted for the Jupiter-class planet

  3. priorities? by belterone · · Score: 4, Funny

    That makes them far too hot for life as we know it. Not only would any hypothetical human traveler to this planet die but the planet's intense heat would quickly melt any coins in the person's pockets, the scientists said. Yeah, that's what I worry about when I'm somewhere where (1) I can't breathe and (2) has winds that can rip me to shreds in seconds and (3) has no solid surface for 100's of miles beneath me... Gaah! My quarters!

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  4. Re:Telescopes and spaceships by Sarcasmooo! · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if this sort of telescope technology becomes commonplace, and someone uses it to shoot laserpointers at alien worlds? They would be so annoyed that they would hate us forever. We would be doomed.

  5. Re:A sodium atmosphear?? by TandyMasterControl · · Score: 5, Funny
    We can also safely eliminate Planet HD234562345 as the long sought lair of Pulvetton's Giant Space Slug.

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  6. Re:X10 pop under ads by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 4, Informative

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  7. A few things... by joh3n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) The sodium bit: It's not that the planet's atmosphere is mostly sodium, it's just that sodium is rather easy to detect as compared to other elements (we use it to identify stars all the time). Also, given the spectral coverage of STIS (the spectrograph used to make the measurement), Na was probably the only strong line they could go for in one setting.

    2) Why this is a big deal: Yes, we know there are gas giants elsewhere, but that's not the point. It's more of a proof of concept that we can measure the properties of an atmosphere of a planet outside the solar system. Plop a more sensitive instrument up there and you can go for smaller planets....and hopefully find signatures of methane and oxygen...boo-yah.

    3) The unexpected bit (from the astronomers point of view) Hubble found it. Hubble's great and all, but spectra is not it's bread and butter. Most of us in the astro community were betting on Keck to find this first since a 10 meter on the ground with larger spectral coverage kicks the crap out of a 2.5 meter (Hubble)

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  8. Nice to see by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nice to see that "Hubbled" is a verb now. We need more verbs.

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  9. Re:Sodium by markmoss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a better article in nytimes.com (registration required). The Hubble's spectrograph is detecting tiny traces of sodium in the planet's atmosphere as it transits between the star (its sun) and us. They set it to look for sodium, because that has the strongest spectrum lines of any element. The article didn't say, but I think these must be absorption lines where the starlight shines through the atmosphere of the planet, around the edges as it transits. I would assume it is ionic sodium -- you just plain don't find sodium in any other form.

    The planet is Jupiter-sized, and close to it's sun, so the atmosphere is hot enough to melt copper. Not a good place to visit... But with the present methods for detecting extra-solar planets, any we can spot will be too big and too hot.

    Mostly, planets are detected because their mass as they orbit makes the star jiggle just a little (the star and the planet orbit the common center of gravity -- which is still somewhere inside the star, but not the exact middle). The stars motion doppler shifts it's light, and so there is a periodic shift in the star's spectrogram. The bigger the planet is and the closer to the star, the more jiggle -- someone in another solar system looking at ours with instruments of similar capability wouldn't detect Earth because it's too small, and might miss Jupiter because it's orbit is too wide and slow.

    This particular planet was detected by a different method; it happens that the planet's orbit causes it to transit between the star and Earth, blocking a small part of the star's light. If the planet is big enough, this drop in the star's intensity is detectable. But such an orbital alignment must be something like a one in a million shot...