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Seeking Current Info on Linux Encrypted FS?

slick_rick asks: "I'm looking for info on encrypted file systems under Linux to help my employers company move away from Microsoft centric solutions. However the latest HOWTO is two years old, the latest kernel patch dates back to April (and 2.4.3) and even the Sourceforge project has nearly zero documentation and appears to be very dead. Are slashdotters using encrypted file systems? If so, what are your experiences?" We last talked about this topic, just over a year ago, in this article.

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  1. FreeBSD & NFS by stygian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's been a long time since I set it up under FreeBSD...but, as I recall, it had a very easy-to-setup system for creating an encrypted filesystem. I just 'cattach' it when I boot the machine...and I'm the only user than can look at the contents. It's really quite nifty. And I've never been able to find a good Linux equivalent.

    1. Re:FreeBSD & NFS by stygian · · Score: 5, Informative

      csfd - that's what it was. The Cryptographic File System.... The readme for the FreeBSD port is:

      This is CFS, Matt Blaze's Cryptographic File System. It provides transparent encryption and decryption of selected directory trees. It is implemented as a user-level NFS server and thus does not require any kernel modifications.

      ftp://research.att.com/dist/mab/cfs.ps

    2. Re:FreeBSD & NFS by Marcus+Brody · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've never been able to find a good Linux equivalent.

      Try SuSE. Because they are a European distro (ie no problems with US export controls), and also aimed at secure/server market (unlike mandrake), they have Very Good built in security measures. It is really very trivial to set up a crypto file system. You really should give it a go. See this for some breif details.
      Only problem is SuSE dont make iso's downloadable, so you might need to buy (gasp!) a copy. Money well worth spent though.

  2. loop-AES by Sami · · Score: 4, Informative

    Have you tried the loop-AES patch? It isn't exactly an encrypted FS, but you can create encrypted virtual drives with it.

  3. Stuck in Windows? Bestcrypt works okay... by Bonker · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a fairly decent encrypted filesystem implementation. I'm certain is has it downsides, but besides being non-free, I haven't found any others.

    BC allows you to create encrypted volumes up to the max size of your harddrive, and encrypts anything therein with your choice of encryption schemas. It also comes with a 'Wipe' command that will allow you to delete a file or clean a drive with a 7-stage delete process.

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    1. Re:Stuck in Windows? Bestcrypt works okay... by dasunt · · Score: 2


      E4M is a free (beer) windows solution, that is also open source. It works by making encrypted volumns that can be mounted as virtual drives under win32.


      D'oh! Checked the link. Guess the project died. Well, maybe you can luck out and find a mirror.

  4. Reiser4 by jeffphil · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you can wait until September 2002, ReiserFS v4 will have an encryption plugin builtin.

  5. Encryption is fine. Decryption doesn't work by Karma+50 · · Score: 3, Funny

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    1. Re:Encryption is fine. Decryption doesn't work by rjw57 · · Score: 3, Funny

      There is always someone who'll find a way to get Mr. Goatse past the moderators....

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    2. Re:Encryption is fine. Decryption doesn't work by zCyl · · Score: 2

      Uhm, granted, that post IS funny, but how the hell did the lameness filter not flag THAT?

  6. SuSE does this out of the box... by pwagland · · Score: 5, Informative
    I am not sure about the other distributions, but as of SuSE 7.2, they do this out of the box. The support was improved in 7.3.

    Note that this filesystem based encryption, not user based. I.e. you must enter a password to mount the filesystem, but after that it acts as a normal filesystem (but slower due to the aforementioned encryption).

    The way that SuSE do it is to have an encrypted block device, so that you can throw anything you want on top of it. Typically this would be a filesytem ;-)

    From the SuSE webpage:

    * A highlight of SuSE Linux security technology: the so-called "crypto file system". Secret or sensitive data is encrypted on your own PC. This method is so safe that even if your notebook ist stolen, nobody, absolutely nobody (!) has even the slightest chance of decrypting your data. In addition, the crypto file system is so smart that the thief will not even notice that encrypted data exists.
    1. Re:SuSE does this out of the box... by MKalus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually I am using this activly on my Notebook and I haven't really seen any performance degredation (It's a PII 366). The nice thing about it is: It completly prevents you from booting the box at all so the security on the notebook is greatly enhanced:

      - Login Bios Password (Yeah, no security there I know)
      - crypto FS
      - OS Security

      Now the two weak links are the BIOS password as well as the OS Security (just boot from CDROM and on you go), but everything on the /data/ partition is encrypted and the parition is invisible if you boot from a boot disk.

      Really neat.

      Michael

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    2. Re:SuSE does this out of the box... by grytpype · · Score: 2

      That's interesting... looking at that link, it appears that SuSE has a kernel module for doing Twofish encryption. I wonder if the source is available and can be ported to other distros...

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    3. Re:SuSE does this out of the box... by pwagland · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Indeed the patch is available.

      Also, you can get all of the patches that SuSE use on their kernel, not only this one. Please note that this link is

      1. A mirror of the official SuSE site, and
      2. The SuSE development kernel. I.e. this kernel is not guaranteed for production use!
      3. The production kernel source is here.
    4. Re:SuSE does this out of the box... by Drone-X · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I take it that if you want to play really safe you'd have to encrypt your swap partition too, after all, any file you recently opened may get swapped to disk.

      It would be convinient if you could have multiple entries in fstab share the same password, for now a little shell script will do (also because Aurora doesn't support text input yet).

  7. XOR encryption is supported out of the box... by grytpype · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... take a look at "man losetup", which has a good example of setting up an XOR encrypted loopback filesystem. XOR is pretty crappy encryption however.

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    1. Re:XOR encryption is supported out of the box... by Wumpus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't do this.

      cat /dev/loop0 is likely to produce the key in the first page or so of output, since the plaintext is likely to have long stretches of 0 someplace. Remember, K xor 0 = K.

  8. Deniability by Tet · · Score: 5, Informative

    Encrypted filesystems are useless without deniability. Rubberhose gives you that: http://www.rubberhose.org

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    1. Re:Deniability by Syberghost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Rubberhose doesn't give you deniability.

      The presence of Rubberhose software and a huge segment of random noise on the disk is going to be enough to convince a court that you have a Rubberhose partition.

      The suggested "create 1GB of noise and then put two partitions in it, and just say you've got one" isn't going to work either. The court is gonna say "oh, you've got 1GB of noise according to our expert, but only a 300MB partition with nothing incriminating on it? Yeah, right, buddy; gimme the password for the other 700MB partition or you can rot in jail on contempt".

      Even a couple megs of "unused" space is going to be taken as a sign you've got a small partition hidden, if you've got Rubberhose software on the system to access it.

      Steganography only works when the carrier files have utility beyond that of the hypothetical encrypted information.

    2. Re:Deniability by Syberghost · · Score: 3, Funny

      I forgot to add, which do you think a judge is more likely to believe:

      1) There's an encrypted partition, but I forgot the password.

      2) There's software for accessing steganized encrypted partitions, with documentation that recommends creating a large chunk of noise to hide it in, and there's a large chunk of noise, but there's no partition, I just keep random noise on my 2GB drive and only use this 1GB partition, the rest is just where I store the random noise, honest.

    3. Re:Deniability by Syberghost · · Score: 2

      When you decrypt that 400MB section, it will look as though it is actually 1GB in size, with 600MB free space.

      Yes, and the judge's expert, who will have read the documentation including the guide, will say "if you only wanted to use 400MB of your disk and didn't have anything incriminating to hide, why would you be using a program designed to do this kind of hiding in the first place."

      In fact, as they imply in the discussion on physical coercion, not being able to demonstrate usage of all 100% of the space may get you into more trouble.

      The partition "looks like" 1GB, but the fact that's only got 400MB of data is suspicious.

      And what happens if the court's expert writes out 600MB of data to "fill" the partition? You better be a pretty good actor, or he'll see in your face that he's gonna overwrite your data. Hope it wasn't important data. It's in his best interest to wipe out YOUR copy and keep his copies. You'll never get them back.

      So it's a little deniability for unimportant data, but the court isn't gonna buy that you installed this stuff to protect unimportant data.

    4. Re:Deniability by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 2
      The judge is very likely to believe: I am not required to give this information by way of my fifth amendment rights. That implies you've got something to hide, and I assume the jury can take that into account, but they can't force you to give the key. All of this assuming, of course, that you are in the US and not the UK.

      This article comes to the conclusion:

      {72} Cryptography may provide a technical fix for Supreme Court decisions allowing the invasion of one's private papers. However, the effectiveness of that fix will depend on whether the Court holds that use immunity from the compulsory production of a cryptographic key extends to the incriminating documents decrypted with the key. Logic suggests that the Court should so hold.
      But that means nothing compared to actual precendence, of which I am not aware, 'cause I don't really keep up with this stuff. I assume it's protected, as the recent case against that mobster was borderline and it wasn't a question of whether the guy would be forced to give his password, but what to do once it had been aquired.
    5. Re:Deniability by Syberghost · · Score: 3, Informative

      But that means nothing compared to actual precendence, of which I am not aware, 'cause I don't really keep up with this stuff. I assume it's protected, as the recent case against that mobster was borderline and it wasn't a question of whether the guy would be forced to give his password, but what to do once it had been aquired.

      There's a great analysis on the Rubberhose web site, talking about the legal precedents and arguments currently existing.

      The argument that Fifth Amendment protection doesn't extend to things you've already said, such as information on a hard drive already, is scary, even if you don't find it compelling. Courts don't always rule in accordance with a particular interpretation of the law, much less in accordance with logic.

    6. Re:Deniability by friscolr · · Score: 4, Funny
      which do you think a judge is more likely to believe

      use OutGuess and store your data across your porn jpegs! I've been collecting porn over the past 8 years for just this purpose!!!

      the judge is *most* likely to believe:
      "Your Honour, all those files are of naked men and women getting it on. i have 40+ gigs of it for variety!"

      like you said...
      Steganography only works when the carrier files have utility beyond that of the hypothetical encrypted information.

    7. Re:Deniability by Syberghost · · Score: 2

      There is complete deniability.

      If by complete deniability you mean "the moral satisfaction of knowing they can't prove you're lying", then yes, it's complete deniability.

      If you mean "they are likely to believe me and let me out of jail or stop hitting me with this rubber hose", then no, there's not complete deniability.

      Of course they know you're using rubberhose so you eventually give up the password to the 100 megs of anarchy and bomb making literature..... all the while your meg or 2 of accounting for you drug dealings is safe.

      Except now they have proof you were lying, and they haven't found what they came for.

      Far better would be a password that shows them the 400 MB of innocent stuff and IMMEDIATELY deletes all the rest. That would give you plausible deniability.

    8. Re:Deniability by Malcontent · · Score: 2

      "If they can torture you into giving up the passwords they can just torture you into confessing...."

      This is an important point. If they don't believe you then you can get tortured no matter what. In the US they will simply ship you to israel where torture is legal and then the israeli govt can tell the US what you confessed to dusring your rape with an electrical dildo.

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    9. Re:Deniability by mmol_6453 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The question is, will he settle in return for a copy of your collection?

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    10. Re:Deniability by Syberghost · · Score: 2

      That's why you should have a password such as "I was the grassy knoll rifleman who shot JFK."

      And then they give you immunity from anything you say in the passphrase, which the court will NOT extend to what's in the documents revealed by it.

    11. Re:Deniability by Syberghost · · Score: 2

      Obviously you don't live in the U.S. and are not a lawyer, otherwise you would know that in the U.S., you cannot be forced to reveal any passwords you have that may ultimately incriminate yourself, as the 5th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States mandates.

      I live in the US and majored in pre-law. But more importantly, I can READ. You should at the very least pop on over to the Rubberhose web page and read the legal analysis there.

      Fifth Amendment protection does NOT extend to things you have already uttered. Unless the passphrase itself incriminates you, the 5th amendment does not protect you.

      Further, by extending you transactional immunity for the passphrase, they eliminate your 5th amendment options entirely.

  9. 50 ways to leave your lover by mAsterdam · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and at least 10 ways to encrypt your data:
    http://koeln.ccc.de/~drt/crypto/linux-disk.html
    gives them.

  10. cryptfs by sdxxx · · Score: 4, Informative
    There is a cryptographic file system you can get for SFS. If you go to the download page, it's called cryptfs. Unfortunately, you have to install SFS first to compile cryptfs.

    Cryptfs is fully functional, though it was indented mostly as a proof of concept. The point is that such file systems are not hard to build, should someone want to maintain one. Here's an undergraduate programming assignment in which the students build a fully-functional cryptographic file system as an NFS loopback server.

  11. More recent CryptoAPI patches can be found at... by NeoTron · · Score: 2, Informative

    ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/hvr

    Try that :)

  12. It's Really Pretty Trivial by Lethyos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The kernel patch you refer to is not outdated. There just is no reason to release new versions. Here's how you patch your kernel with the international patch.

    One level up from your Linux source tree (typically /usr/src), do...

    zcat ~/patch-int-2.4.3.1.gz | patch -p0 -E

    You'll notice a chunk fails. The ONLY problem here is patching the root Makefile. Look at the file /usr/src/linux/Makefile.rej. It shows you what lines failed. You can easily fix this by adding (under the DRIVERS line)

    CRYPTO = crypto/crypto.o

    And changing the line

    SUBDIRS = kernel drivers mm fs net ipc lib

    to...

    SUBDIRS = kernel drivers mm fs net ipc lib crypto

    Now your kernel should be properly patched. Make it mrproper, then configure as needed. Add the proper cyphers (I'm sure you can figure this out). Typically, serpent and blowfish are the best choices. Also, build them as modules so you can harvest a little extra entropy. :) Also, make sure you build the loopback device as a module, and then add crypto support. I assume you know how to load modules

    Now for the easy part. Once you have the kernel modules built and loaded, make sure you have the latest mount tools (including losetup). Pick the device file you want to use as an encrypted file system. For this example, I'm going to use hda3 with 256 bit serpent encryption for shits & giggles.

    losetup --keybits 256 --encryption serpent /dev/loop0 /dev/hda3

    It will prompt you for a pass phrase. Use a PHRASE and REMEMBER this. You cannot change the passphrase of an encrypted fs after you set it. Get it right. Next, format the device /dev/loop0 with your favorite file system (I prefer ReierFS because I've had trouble with ext2 fscking of encrypted file systems -- data loss most notably whenever I mistyped my passphrase). Do something like

    mkreiserfs /dev/loop0

    Now, destroy the loopback device...

    losetup -d /dev/loop0

    And add the following line to your /etc/fstab

    /dev/hda3 /mountpoint reiserfs defaults,loop,auto,encryption=serpent 0 0

    Now, every time you boot or mount that file system, it will ask you for the key length and the pass phrase. And there you go. Encrypted file system. Yea.

    You can see how trivially easy that was and if you had put about half an hour's thought into it, you could have realized that the "outdated" howto hasn't been updated because the process is pretty much unchanged and you would not have wasted our time with yet another linux newbie Ask /. question. But that's just my opinion.

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    1. Re:It's Really Pretty Trivial by Peter+Dyck · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You can see how trivially easy that was and if you had put about half an hour's thought into it

      Right.

      That kind of attitude will really encourage people in general to use Linux and encryption on a daily basis...

    2. Re:It's Really Pretty Trivial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You were doing a stellar job there until the uncalled for jabs at the end of that post. Maybe there are other slashdot readers out there that are interested in having an encrypted file system?

      Maybe having an encrypted file system could be part of the install process for upcoming Linux distributions - an easy to use system for encryption in the partitioning stage of the install. Couple that with a runtime tool that can create encrypted partitions after the install, and you immediately have another big plus point over Windows, especially for people in government who have a habit of leaving laptops with top secret material on in taxi cabs.

      In other news, the UK government is going to buy 500,000 copies of Windows XP. As a taxpayer, I disagree with this use of my tax money, and with the close relationship that the current government has with Microsoft. I feel that the best solution for the taxpayers is not being researched in the name of PR and photo opportunities for government ministers. And why does the government need to upgrade their computer system to Windows XP? What is wrong with 2000 - a proven OS now, not a just released one...

    3. Re:It's Really Pretty Trivial by dman123 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Although I will not be verifying your implementation, your post is well written and seems very informative. Why did you go and blow it at the end??

      I constantly have to defend myself against being called part of a cult that is "drinking the Kool-Aid" and this type of attitude does not help. I am proud to be a geek/nerd, but the moment anyone thinks of me as arrogant or haughty, I feel bad.

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    4. Re:It's Really Pretty Trivial by ishark · · Score: 2

      The kernel patch you refer to is not outdated. There just is no reason to release new versions. Here's how you patch your kernel with the international patch.

      Actually, I remember reading (mailing list? cryptoapi doc? newsgroup?) that the patch-int should NOT be used, because the implementation of several cyphers (twofish comes to mind) is broken.

      As I already wrote in another post, I didn't do extensive testing to compare patch-int and cryptoapi, but I *did* have lost data with patch-int: some files got garbled beyond repair (to quantify, I'd say less than 1% of them). I was using twofish.

      Now I'm using cryptoapi, and I didn't have any trouble (at least not yet).

      Another point: you may have troubles with losetup/mount, depending on the distribution you use. In that case, download util-linux from the kernel site, apply the patches and recompile. I keep two separate copies (called losetup-crypto and (u)mount-crypto) of the utilities.

      I don't think I agree with the the suggestion about reiserfs. ReiserFS has no trouble with fsck simply because it doesn't do fsck... I'd suggest use whatever you want but disable auto-checking or, even better, modify the startup scripts to make sure that the passphrase is good (just try to mount the fs) before attempting a fsck.

    5. Re:It's Really Pretty Trivial by jezzball · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, from someone with a 50k id...

      Young'un :)

      Maybe he just forgot his password on an encrypted file system that he couldn't mount?

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    6. Re:It's Really Pretty Trivial by Lethyos · · Score: 3, Informative

      As I already wrote in another post, I didn't do extensive testing to compare patch-int and cryptoapi, but I *did* have lost data with patch-int: some files got garbled beyond repair (to quantify, I'd say less than 1% of them). I was using twofish.

      I had this problem once or twice, but using either serpent or blowfish. It happened after typing a bad passphrase... and e2fsck kicked in and complained about fs errors. Of course, I've gone a little crazy with my set up. I have two hard disks, each encrypted with a different algorithm, that are then interleaved using RAID0. I love it. :) But it's trouble prone.

      Now I'm using cryptoapi, and I didn't have any trouble (at least not yet).

      Got any links or should I just look in standard locations? (Kernel archives, freshmeat?)

      Another point: you may have troubles with losetup/mount, depending on the distribution you use. In that case, download util-linux from the kernel site, apply the patches and recompile. I keep two separate copies (called losetup-crypto and (u)mount-crypto) of the utilities.

      That's one reason I mentioned having the latest utilities. Older versions don't support crypto stuff (obviously). But there's really nothing wrong with making hte latest util-linux package your primary. Why do you keep separate binaries?

      I don't think I agree with the the suggestion about reiserfs. ReiserFS has no trouble with fsck simply because it doesn't do fsck... I'd suggest use whatever you want but disable auto-checking or, even better, modify the startup scripts to make sure that the passphrase is good (just try to mount the fs) before attempting a fsck.

      Well, I suggested Reiser because in light of things not being set up properly, I think it's a little more careful before it goes and tries to replay a journal on a corrupted fs. That may actually be a positive fault here, as giving up early protects your data. In general though, I prefer a journaled fs so I'm boasting some advocacy here. :)

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    7. Re:It's Really Pretty Trivial by ishark · · Score: 2

      Got any links or should I just look in standard locations? (Kernel archives, freshmeat?)

      It's the one at cryptoapi.sourceforge.net. I didn't mention a link since it was in the story submission.

    8. Re:It's Really Pretty Trivial by dylan_- · · Score: 2

      Older people don't get +2's...

      Ahem! :-)

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  13. Try BestCrypt by Wee · · Score: 4, Informative
    I know it's not really an encrypted filesystem, per se, but BestCrypt might be enough for you. It's a bit like NAI's PGPDisk. Essentially, you mount an encrypted file and then access it like any other disk (it has a mount point, etc). The nice part (for me) is that they have a Win32 version as well, so using BestCrypt and Samba means that I can have my wife's securely store her Quicken stuff on my fileserver (which is the only machine that gets a backup). The only "bad" thing about BestCrypt is installation. You have to make real sure your kernel sources are in good shape. I had a few issues installing it because I had a few different kernel sources laying around (not good, I know, I know...). Anyway, it's not that hard to install, but not a userland type thing either.

    Like I said, it's not a filesystem, but it might get you by. I personally don't care if /etc is encrypted or not. But I might care if /home was encrypted. It's easy enough to mount a BestCrypt container file at /home, so that might be enough.

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  14. I'm using the "old" sourceforge thing.... by ishark · · Score: 2
    ...and is seems to work ok. There's a problem with the compilation, you need to add -DEXPORT_SYMBOLS in the api/ subdir makefile for it to compile correctly.


    Apart from that I never had any problem with it, but I admit that I never did much testing.

  15. CFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I use CFS, which is a daemon the uses NFS to encrypt file and filenames. The files are stored encrypted on an ordinary filesystem.


    It works well. I'm no security expert buy I can see a couple of problems with it. Firstly it uses triple-DES. Probably secure enough, but not so fast. There are certainly more suitable ciphers out there.


    The key comes from a pass phrase. cfs forces you to have a pass-phrase with at least enough bits to fill the DES keys, but obviously unless you like memorizing long strings of random charcters there will be far less entropy than required in the key.


    Secondly meta-data is not encrypted. So, although Eve can't tell what is in a particular file, she can see the directory structure (but not filenames) and when a file was created/modified/accesses.


    Apart from these criticisms it seems quite good. Users can create/attach/detach encrypted filesystems without special priveledges. You can specify a timeout on a file store so it is dettached after a certain period.

  16. Maybe for you.... by coyote-san · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe you need deniability, but out here in the real world a lot of people should be using encrypted file systems just to ensure that sensitive or confidential information is not exposed to others if the disk is stolen, the cleaning people are bored, etc.

    Personally, I don't want my doctor to have deniability about his records regarding me. Or my lawyer. Or my accountant. And most especially not my banker, financial adviser, etc.

    In fact, for these people deniability makes a solution look much less attractive. People get *really* nervous when their accountant or lawyer has strong deniability about what the advice they gave you, about where your money went, etc.

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    1. Re:Maybe for you.... by Malcontent · · Score: 2

      Now that Ashcroft has thrown out attorney client privledge it maybe very important for your attorney to have deniability. Since all phone conversations between attorney and client can be tapped you may desire that communications take place in an encrypted email format. You may then want your lawyer to encrypt his filesystem for when the fed come knocking down his door.

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  17. SUSE has it by HighTeckRedNeck · · Score: 2, Redundant

    The install for SUSE version 7.2 professional had it built into the install. Select expert partitioning and it was a check box selection in the mount-point, file system type dialog box. You could edit the boot sequence to remove the prompt to mount the file system and then mount it only when you wanted it mounted. Once mounted it was visible in unencrypted form but you could un-mount anytime. Reading and writing is done via a loop back that decrypts /encrypts during read/write. It is visible as a standard file system once mounted to all programs by all users. SUSE 7.3 has this to say http://www.suse.com/us/products/suse_linux/i386/se curity.html Watch the space in security, comment dialog box is too small to fit url without it injecting a space.

  18. Re:win2k by TheCabal · · Score: 2, Informative

    I tried to use win2k's efs, and it ruined me.

    Tell them that!


    Ever heard of a File Recovery Agent? There's one set up by default on every Win2k system. And it gets better... you can add more!

  19. RubberHose by Acy+James+Stapp · · Score: 2, Redundant

    The Rubberhose encrypted filesystem might be more suitable for individuals.

    Read about it at www.rubberhose.org. It's primary feature is deniability, (from their web page)

    Rubberhose is a computer program which both transparently encrypts data on a storage device, such as a hard drive, and allows you to hide that encrypted data. Unlike conventional disk encryption systems, Rubberhose is the first successful, freely available, practical program of deniable cryptography in the world. It was released in an earlier form in 1997, but has undergone significant changes since that time. The design goal has been to make Rubberhose the most efficient conventional disk encryption system, while also offering the new feature of information hiding.

    Rubberhose is a type of deniable cryptography package. Deniable cryptography gives a person not wanting to disclose the plaintext data corresponding to their encrypted material the ability to show that there is more than one interpretation of the encrypted data. What deniable crypto means in the Rubberhose context is this: if someone grabs your Rubberhose-encrypted hard drive, he or she will know there is encrypted material on it, but not how much -- thus allowing you to hide the existence of some of your data.
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    1. Re:RubberHose by ansible · · Score: 2

      StegFS (Linux only) is another steganographic filesystem. It's licensed under the GNU GPL, unlike Rubberhose.

      http://www.mcdonald.org.uk/StegFS/

  20. CryptoAPI by Agent_Leprechaun · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do a search on google for CryptoAPI. That's the new encrypted filesystem interface for linux. The pathes for 2.4.3 are old. I have an encrypted file system working with 2.4.16 patched with GRSecurity. You no longer need to patch the kernel with CryptoAPI, it just creates kernel modules that you install. It's pretty easy to do.

  21. crypto filesystems "easy" by coyote-san · · Score: 2

    It's easy to implement a crypto filesystem, but hard to do it *right*.

    Some quick examples:

    1) Is a standard cipher used? (easy, now that libraries are widely available)

    2) Is a standard cipher used *correctly*? (e.g., no ECB mode!)

    3) Does the same data in two blocks encrypt to the same ciphertext? If not, how are you randomizing them? What happens if you copy an encrypted FS from one media to another, e.g., via backups?

    4) How do you detect an incorrect encryption key?

    There's then the whole issue of key management, the truly hard part. How do you generate the key from the password? How do you support multiple users on the encrypted file system? (N.B., this is cryptospeek for "how do you prevent disgruntled employees from encrypting your data then walking away?" This usually means secondary and even tertiary keys automatically inserted by the system.) How do you handle system reboots?

    Finally there's the mundane. Top of that list - how do you handle backups? Can you back up the encrypted data? Can you deny backups of the unencrypted data?

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  22. I've used it the last 2 years by lessthan0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the past two years, I've been using it in several distributions, manually applying the kernel patches and compiling the necessary programs (utils). But with SuSE (>7.2), kernel encryption is built in which has saved me a load of time compiling it into the kernel.

    SuSE uses twofish as the encryption algorithm which is good enough for me. I would prefer to use serpent, but not enough to recompile everything. Both twofish and serpent were finalists in the U.S. Federal AES competition, both losing to rijndeal. Of course, W2K/XP use weak 56-bit DES in their EFS and have administrator back doors, so it barely qualifies as encryption.

    If you want fast, reliable, and easy to use enrypted file systems, choose SuSE!

    1. Re:I've used it the last 2 years by sheldon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wrong. EFS does not use 56-bit DES you idiot.

      Microsoft is using 128-bit DESX encryption for EFS. What is DESX? It's a strengthened version of DES created by RSA Laboratories.

      http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/faq/3-2-7.html

      As far as the back doors are concerned. If it's your own machine you have nothing to worry about because only you would know the backdoor. However for a corporation the administrative back door is regarded as a must-have feature in case an employee is fired, dies, leaves the company, whatever.

      Why are Linux users so bloody ignorant?

  23. Re:Here is how to do it by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    good thing that you have the ultra-secure, no government backdoors UBER-MS encryption there, right...

    sigh...

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  24. encrypted root + warning about crypto in linux 2.4 by patbernier · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the truly paranoid, or as used to be my case, for laptops that travel a lot and hence are very prone to theft, the cool thing to do is to encrypt your (almost) entire disk, with your root filesystem on an encrypted loopback device, and no swap at all (because swap can't efficiently be encrypted, and RAM is so cheap anyway nowadays). Of course you still need to keep a small unencrypted boot partition to host your kernel, and an initrd image. The initial ramdisk must have a script that will setup the loop device -- prompting you for your passphrase -- before proceeding with system boot.

    For additional protection, you might be tempted to keep this boot partition on a business-card size CD-R, thus making sure that nobody can insert code to steal your passphrase, but if they have access to your system for long enough, they could install a hardware keylogger and you're screwed anyway ^_^... Still, might be worth it to put some tamper detection right after the root fs is mounted (i.e. an md5sum check of your entire boot partition)

    In any case, I've used such a laptop on a day-to-day basis for over a year and it worked great -- but do expect a huge performance loss on disk access.

    On a related note, there is a warning on http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/crypto/v2.4 /README.WARNING to the effect that encryption might be a bit broken in 2.4 kernels. I guess you better stick with 2.2 for now if you really need loopback crypto filesystems...

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  25. Apologies by Lethyos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry to everyone who was offended by my last comment in this post. I did in fact mean to help, but I just though that the original submitter of this Ask /. question could have done a little more work figuring this out. Hell, even I managed to get my file systems encrypted with that outdated HOWTO.

    Nonetheless, I'm sorry for spoiling something informative with some elitist babble. It's just a knee-jerk reaction from time to time.

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  26. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  27. Re:Which is better for FreeBSD? CFS or Rubberhose? by ftobin · · Score: 2

    but has CFS been updated

    I don't see why this question is relevant. I have been using CFS for 3+ years on FreeBSD 2, 3, and 4, without a hitch. There does not seem to be a need for being 'updated'. It works very well.

  28. SuSE Linux comes with an encrypted filesystem by nakana82 · · Score: 2, Informative

    When you are at the partitioning stage there is a box you can check that allows encrypted filesystems.

  29. The International Kernel Patch by Goodbyte · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I'm running a mix between the international kernel patch www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/crypto, (accually http://www.kerneli.org but it hasn't been alive for some time now) and crypto api (which is a branch from kerneli.)
    Something needs to be done about the block size problem - the solution from cryptoapi doesn't seem "the right way" ;-)

    The best things about kerneli are the possibility to choose between different encryption algorithms and that it's not filesystem dependent. Though I miss the oppertunity to use the encryption algorithms in userspace programs. (Same thing about the digest algorithms, do thay have any function except for enlarging the kernel size?)

    I'm currently testing a pam module that mounts kerneli encrypted home directories, release scheduled a few weeks into the future.

  30. some possible solutions by jjermann · · Score: 2, Informative

    normal:
    cryptoloop (cryptoapi), loop-aes, cryptfs, bestcrypt, crypto-patch (up to ~2.4.12, you have to change the Makefile -> better use cvs-cryptoapi)

    steg:
    stegfs, vs3fs

    network:
    cfs, tcfs, sfs, vpn solutions

  31. CryptAPI by jd · · Score: 2
    There's a readme in the kerneli 2.5 stuff, pointing to a different directory. In that directory, there's a bunch of patches titled "cryptapi", for 2.4.x and 2.5.x. And they seem VERY current. And much better maintained than kerneli.


    I'm not following the lists at the moment, but I'd hazard a guess that cryptapi is the replacement for kerneli, which has been in a coma for ages.

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  32. Lame, Windows XP implementation by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Interesting
    So I happily install XP Professional because it has the ability to use encrypted file stores. This would be just the thing to carry files from one machine to another on a 128Mb Compact flash or so.

    Bzztt... wrong...

    Turns out that NTFS cannot be used on removable disks, even though the NTFS semantics are better suited (think what happens when a disk is unmounted unexpectedly.

    The main reason I use an encrypted disk is that I have a lot of client sensitive info on my machine, including high level strategic plans for a Nasdaq 100 company.

    Encrypted disks should be used as a matter of course on machines used by lawyers, doctors, accountants, anyone with a professional confidentiality duty. Laptops get stolen, machines get sold with confidential information still on the drives.

    I am more skeptical about the need for encrypting file systems for geeks, after all most sysops would do better to keep less secrets rather than more.

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    1. Re:Lame, Windows XP implementation by Icy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Turns out that NTFS cannot be used on removable disks
      I use NTFS on my zip 100 disks all the time. Its not that it won't work on removable disks, its that they disable the use of NTFS on small disks (and i guess flash cards? never used them.). I have not formated one on WinXP yet, but I have on WinNT4 and Win2000.

    2. Re:Lame, Windows XP implementation by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      Let me see, you are posting an offtopic commit on /. and you use windows to keep sensitive info for a Nasdaq 100 company. Oh, I get it you work for Microsoft. Duh.

      No, not close.

      And since the topic is encrypting file stores I don't think the issue is off-topic. The point is not that encrypting file stores are a bad idea. It is just that the typical uses of Linux don't have a great deal of overlap with the areas where you really need encrypting file stores.

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    3. Re:Lame, Windows XP implementation by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2
      I use NTFS on my zip 100 disks all the time. Its not that it won't work on removable disks, its that they disable the use of NTFS on small disks (and i guess flash cards? never used them.).

      Could be that the limit is 128 Mb, I tried with a 64Mb compact flash, that is the largest I have so far. A friend told me they had problems with a 128Mb in a Nicon Coolpix 900 (he could only see 80Mb) so I didn't get any larger ones.

      The help file is less than helpfull

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    4. Re:Lame, Windows XP implementation by sql*kitten · · Score: 2

      So I happily install XP Professional because it has the ability to use encrypted file stores. This would be just the thing to carry files from one machine to another on a 128Mb Compact flash or so.

      You'd be better off with PGP7 and it's PGPdisk utility. I use it all the time to move around an encrypted file system on an Iomega Zip disk. The down size is that you need to have PGP installed on every machine you intend to use, and a way to move your keyring around too.

  33. Re:encrypted root + warning about crypto in linux by ansible · · Score: 2

    Yup. The last I read, there was only a slight performance hit, and very acceptable for the truly paranoid.

  34. twofish loopback encryption by aCC · · Score: 2, Informative
    Twofish loopback encryption is a module to encrypt loopback devices "independent[ly] from the medium on which the filesystem is stored".

    This is quite different to quite a lot of other methods. It allows to backup encrypted files to e.g. CDROM and still have them mountable from there. Works quite well.

  35. swap encryption ? use OpenBSD by ^BR · · Score: 4, Informative

    By setting just one sysctl (vm.swapencrypt.enable=1)OpenBSD encrypt its swap using AES.

    You just have to uncomment one line in /etc/sysctl.conf to activate it permanently.

  36. Re:Here is how to do it by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only way you'll ever be sure is if you write your own

    Or get the source code for an existing cryptographic application and audit it. A good programmer and a good mathematician working together could probably produce a reasonably trustworthy audit of the cryptographic functions in a given application.

    Of course, this requires that the source code be availble for inspection and that the code can be compiled for actual use in the production environment. It's pointless to audit source code that is then carried off and you are subsequently handed a binary-only application "supposedly" based on the audited code.

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  37. StegFS? by lnxslak · · Score: 2, Informative

    What about StegFS is a steganographic filesystem for linux. It encrypts the data and hides it. Although it does not work with 2.4.x kernels, a decently patched 2.2.20 kernel should do well enough. If that's not you particular cup of tea there is always cfs tcfs.

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  38. OpenBSD filesystem encryption by friscolr · · Score: 4, Informative
    Why not just use OpenBSD, which has filesystem encryption by default

    It has the code for it, but it isn't enabled by default.

    Enabling swap encryption is easiest, you just modify you /etc/sysctl.conf (it's labelled well in that file) and/or use the sysctl command.
    i use swap encryption on my 1.2 athlon, but not on my 486's running openbsd.

    Enabling filesystem encryption requires a kernel build (you need to add "option TCFS" to your config) and some commands to be compiled and run. i found this article to be helpful.
    i just did this to see what it'd be like. the documentation is rather minimal but it is workable. You have the option of using 3DES, RC5 and Blowfish. Check out that link for more info.

  39. Use Loop AES by Tack · · Score: 2

    I use loopAES:

    http://loop-aes.sourceforge.net/

    It works wonderfully, and has worked on every kernel I've tried it on. It doesn't patch the kernel and require a rebuild (except that it requires you do not use the kernel's standard loop device).

    It requires a little bit of extra work in that you need to patch util-linux. I used to use cfsd, but I've not been able to get it to work on recent kernels, so I've moved my encrypted volumes to loopAES. I've had no problems at all with it.

    Jason.

  40. Re:Here is how to do it by Omnifarious · · Score: 2

    So, if you really think MS has all kinds of back-doors in it, why not actually go crack it? Go prove it, make a huge name for yourself, and expose MS.

    Given the NSA's history with various companies (Crypto AG anyone?) and their encryption software, I think the opposite proof is required. All proprietary products must be assumed to have back doors unless they can somehow prove otherwise. BTW, good luck with that proof without releasing source code.

    Also, Microsoft has a pretty bad history (their VPN software for example) of making things that really are secure in the cryptography arena. So again, I think the burden of proof is the other way.

    All Microsoft software is only as secure as it absolutely has to be in order to sell it, and history (and knowing the average buyer) shows that's not very secure. Trusting Microsoft with security is like trusting an unregulated S&L with your money.

  41. Re:Q about Rubberhose. - maybe this by victim · · Score: 2
    Exactly the problem that popped up in my mind when I read it. I re-read and came to this paragraph in the Idiot Savants' Guide to Rubberhose...
    Rubberhose relies on internal maps to locate where the actual bits of your data are stored amid the random characters. Each aspect has its own corresponding map, and you can only decrypt that aspect's map when you type in the passphrase for that particular aspect. This is why you need to type in all the passphrases before you can safely write to a Rubberhose disk.
  42. Re:win2k by TheCabal · · Score: 4, Informative

    Can anyone fill us in on this windows folder/file encryption? How does it work? What does it use as a key, and how is that key accessed?
    I read it uses AES

    I would assume a key/certificate/whatever is stored in the user account profile....

    But what prevents Administrator from changing your password, and signing into your account to read your files? I suppose this leaves a trail... but still.


    The certificate is stored on the user's workstation. If they use multiple workstations, the user must carry their certificate with them. EFS works using 128-bit DESX. A symmetrical recovery key is generated and is encrypted using the Recovery Agent(s) public key, so that those people designated as people who can decrypt other's files can do so.

    For those who still can't understand this, and think that a cracked account/BO Trojan and other absurd conditions are going to make a difference, the answer is Very Little. An agent still needs the certificate installed on the workstation that he/she is going to be recovering files from. Microsoft even recommends that a certificate be generated, the public key added as a recovery agent, and the certificate kept on removable media and stored securely until it is needed. They also recommend storing the certificate as a PKCS#12 cert since you can lock the private key with a password.

    An Admin can't just change your password and sign in as you, unless he can do it at your workstation or wherever you have your certificate installed. He may be a designated Recovery Agent, though in which he can look at your files anyway. But this has always been the case on windows network, but even on Unix/Linux nobody can stop root from reading a file, right?

  43. sleeping laptop defeats encryption by bmidgley · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't forget that if you put your laptop to sleep and it's stolen in that state that your encrypted filesystem may be left wide open.

    Unmount encrypted filesystems before you sleep the laptop and put a password on your screensaver in case you get lazy. (don't count on a password-protected screensaver to protect you though -- maybe someone will create a screensaver that unmounts any encrypted fs and prompts for the access password... :)

  44. stegfs by friscolr · · Score: 2
    stegfs scared me away with this line from the paper describing the implementation

    Multiple copies of both inodes and data blocks are stored on disk, so that if one or more copies are destroyed then hopefully others will remain intact.
    (emphasis mine)

    Hopefully! this is my data, not my lottery ticket! i need a bit more reliability than a "hopefully".

    i haven't used StegFS, though, so perhaps this hopefully works out to be more theoretical than it sounds, but i'd still like a guarantee that my data will be there unless i choose to delete it. Yeah i know that's tough given the whole deniability thing, but still, i'd like that guarantee.

    1. Re:stegfs by ansible · · Score: 2

      Read further, and you probably won't be as worried.

      Only when the filesystem is mounted at a lower access level (or as a plain ext2 filesystem) is there a danger of overwriting blocks of encrypted data.

      If you're always using the filesystem with the highest access level, you don't have anything to worry about. It's only when there's a lot of data being written at a lower level that you have to worry.

      If that's the case, like it's a partition that contains home directories for other users, you're already asking for trouble. This should be a filesystem that only you use on a regular basis.

  45. More cryptoapi links by emag · · Score: 2

    I started poking around, and at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/crypto/v2.4 /README.WARNING there was a url listed for "more recent patches. Going there revealed stuff for 2.4.6, 2.4.8, 2.4.10. 2.4.15, and 2.5.0... I plan to check it out myself when I get some free time.

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  46. when was the last windows EFS release? by ahde · · Score: 2

    when was the last windows EFS release that was not just a vulnerability patch?

    by the way, when was the last vulnerability patch?

  47. BestCrypt by oolon · · Score: 2

    I have been using this for a year. It works on windows and linux, ok its not free, well infact the source code for the linux one is available for all. It works as a loop back fs, so the "containers" (fikes) for the encrypted data can be copied between machines easily. What filesystem is on the container is up to you, ext2, reiserfs or even msdos. It works on the lastest kernel versions, and has very active support, from jetico and the community. It works using kernel modules so no patching of the kernel is required, having the data in regular files, means its easy to get rid of too. Anyway give it a try http://www.jetico.com

    James

  48. I'm trying to do this by malxau · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been working on a project that would be able to do this (one day - hopefully) on Windows, Linux, Solaris, and Mac OS X (Those being the platforms that I have.)

    I'm not a crypto whiz and am having serious trouble finding enough information about how filesystems work in order to implement all of the required interfaces. Does anybody know where this information is, or should I look through Linux/BSD sources - and hope that BSD is applicable to OS X?

    My current version is pretty much a library that allows you to like apps against it, but doesn't support native operation. The next release will add networking support, but I really need to go native to make it useful to people.

    Also, can anybody help decrease the usefulness of the algorithm for decryption so that I can GPL the thing? You can see what I've done from here.

    - Malcolm

  49. Re:Here is how to do it by sheldon · · Score: 2

    Or how about a better link, one that explains the issue and how and why it may not be a problem:

    http://www.safenetworks.com/Windows/syskey2.html

    Basically the way they "hacked" EFS was to reset the user password, and Microsoft already has a mechanism to prevent this, if needed.

  50. Re:centric? lame by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

    Uh, the question was about encrypted file systems which has little or NOTHING TO FUCKING DO WITH NEWBIW INSTALLATIONS OF THE FUCKING OS. In fact I'd go so far as to venture that wondering about encrypted file systems is something no newbie to any OS would ever wonder about. The original topic has nothing to do with fucking configuration apps. Not to mention the dude also suggest Solaris which is pretty easy to install on supported hardware and it has a mature encryption system. Geez man don't attack someone who dares question the omni power of Linux.

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