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NASA Chooses Pluto Mission
CheshireCatCO writes: "NASA announced on Thursday that it has selected Alan Stern's Pluto mission proposal, named New Horizons, for phase B study and (hopefully) eventual launch in 2006. Alan is himself one of the top experts on Pluto, and his team consists of many other leaders in the field. It should be a good mission, if only they get the money for it." CNN has a story with some background on the mission. NASA is having a hard time deciding whether the Pluto-Kuiper Express is actually going to launch or not.
Maybe they should put a hubble type scope out there to see what kind of extra-solar planets there are
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Of all the characters in the Evil Empire, Pluto sucks the most.
Studying Donald Duck would be much more enlightening.
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I'm hoping they can get this thing luanched. If there really is ice on Charon, and it's actually water ice, that would make a lot of neat stuff (read manned missions) possible way out there.
The fundemental problem with NASA is that they throw all their money into dead-ends like the Space Shuttle and the International Space Station (both projects are just for show and have yet to produce any tangible benefits), instead of focusing on the type of hard core science research that will make the Warp Drives and Transporters a reality before I'm too old to pass the Starfleet physical. If NASA doesn't get their ass in gear, I'm going to have to focus on my other calling as a Jedi Knight.
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It will be really interesting to see what sort of propulsion system they choose to get there, given the extraordinary distance that will have to be covered. I bet they'll choose some sort of ion-drive, or related thing.
Does anyone know how long it will take to reach Pluto? I would think a few years, but of course that's just a guesstimate.
We'll probably only ever get to see the one Pluto Probe get launched in the next 20 years, which is a shame, because redundancy is the best way to reduce cost/benefit ratios in a NASA mission.
The odds for a long duration mission like this to the far reaches of our solar system are pretty slim, and once you make one Pluto Probe it is a lot cheaper to make *many* Pluto Probes.
What do you think the odds are there will be even a Pluto II?
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... in space exploration policy, I would concentrate all efforts to building an observatory on the moon. The Hubble Telescope has a 2.6m mirror and revolutionized astronomy. Just imagine what an 8m telescope on the far side of the moon could discover. Also, radio astronmy is becoming more and more difficult, because of the "radio pollution" on earth. A radio telescope on the far side of the moon, screened from all man-made interference, could bring us a tremendous amount of new insights. Just my $0.02 ...
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Instead of throwing away money on single-use probes like this, NASA should spend the money to develop REAL interplanetary travel. After all, it doesn't (shouldn't) count as exploration unless humans are there to make the observations. You can't trust a radio feed from across the solar system--not to mention the fact that humans can see much more than unintelligent probes. Until NASA develops Warp Drives, Communicators, Teleporters, and Vulcans, we can't realistically expect to explore the Universe. If any boys from NASA are in the audience, GET CRACKIN!
According to the Star Trek chronogy, we should already be well on our way to Warp Drives. Instead, NASA is throwing money down the drain. It's like the difference between renting a house and buying a house. You can never recover your rent money (throw-away probes), whereas if you buy the house (put the money into fundemental research), you can later reap a profit.
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I'm always Puzzled on how someone can be an 'expert' on something we've never really seen, poked and proded.
I can understand that we can be fairly sure about atmosphere / crust composition from spectral analysis, but surely "leading theorist" would be a more correct term for those of us who study that which we have never sampled?
$100m is nothing to these guys really... more is wasted on marketing AOL cds.
Expert on Pluto?
Uh.. suh, did he really watch that much disney as a kid?
What, exactly, does it take to be an expert on Pluto? Does knowing everything ever discovered about it count?
In that case we're almost all experts on Pluto, because almost nothing is known about it.
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Come on, Yes sucked enough, along with all the other crappy "prog-rockers". Why a bunch of dumb Canadians would want to imitate them is beyond me.
Kuiper belt is a lot more interesting though. NASA is downplaying it possibly because they will fit the craft mainly for pluto-charon system and won't be able to do much about the belt.
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Is there someone who can explain the trajectory? There must be some sort of "window", (presumably, we're about to miss it) which won't reopen for hundreds of years, right?
Somebody better tell the Kazon. Not to mention the Visitors!
Here's a thought: NASA quits spending money on probes (pissing some of) and starts spending money on real manned spacecrafts (pleasing some.) And I don't mean those toy shuttles. Don't they ever watch StarTrek or something? Last year they had a budget of XXX billon dollars. They obviously know how to make them fly, so why not anywhere in the solarsystem (then I'd be pleased.) They lack the overall goal.
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If NASA starts concentrating on Pluto now, I can't imagine where the Mars Society crackpots will setup their formica space station to train for the planet's environment.
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Besides which, every time we investigate a new world we learn wonders. Water on Europa! Hydrocarbons on Titan! Rings around Neptune and even (chuckle) Uranus! Young worlds cracked and not fully reformed, worlds of live volcanoes, worlds whose geological processes always seem to come back and illuminate our own, either its current dynamics or its history.
Computer models are not substitute for real experience. And the only source of reale experience is another real world. We have a limited number of these close at hand, and it would be foolish not to explore them all.
As the most distant "world"-sized body Pluto likely holds many secrets to the early history of the Solar System, and to forces at work on our own world during its formation. If nothing else we should investigate it for being the only other dual planet worth the name in the Solar System (besides, of course, Earth-Luna.)
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Some previous discussion of the trajectory issue here. The big lost opportunity for flybys was the "Grand Tour" mission. Would have had to launch in 72 or thereabouts. Bad timing -- that was just when the public felt glutted by space missions, columinating with the showy, but not demonstratively useful, Apollo project.
How is this off topic? Come on!
Personally, I'd like to see us focus on going back to the moon. I'd like to see a moon base established and then branch out to Mars and the other planets.
If Disney got in the space business, surface features of Pluto would be called "Mickey," "Donald," and "Goofy" respectively..
I'd rather think of going into the depths of space as going to the underworld than some "magical" cartoon journey. Just think... soon after all the components of my DNA are copyrighted, pieces of outer space are going to become territories to big business :P
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But we've already had half a dozen or so successful Mars probes. We know quite a lot about it. We know nothing, by comparison, about Pluto. Isn't it worth just one little probe to go have a look?
Additionally, if I understand the problem, is that Pluto is near its closest approach to the Sun (and thus the Earth) at the moment. If we don't do the mission now, it'll be much more difficult when Pluto has moved further away in 2030 or so.
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lets see...inches go into feet, feet go into shoes...
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according to the star trek chronology? get a life.
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At this rate, it will be 2025 ~ 2050 before we do anything along the lines of off world colonization. That is more than a generation away.
And by then the Chinese and Europeans will have already 'been there, seen that.....
When will Americans stop getting excited over the incremental progress of NASA and ask to have their tax $$ directed into something more ambitious?
Look, I said demonstrable benefits. Sure, Apollo had benefits, but try to convince Joe Taxpayer that it was worth all that money. If we had spent that money on some long-term goal, like fully-reusable orbiters or a permanent space station, we'd have something you could point to and say, "that is where your money went". Instead, we went with a project that created billions of dollars worth of use-once hardware, and wasn't the basis of any further accomplishments. A few useful but unsexy technical breakthroughs don't make up for that.
If you want laceless shoes and non-stick cooking, then I guess Apollo was a success. But if you want a solid foundation for further space exploration, Apollo was a total waste of money.
The Pluto-Kupier Express needs to be developed and launched soon. There are two main reasons for this: 1) The launch window for setting a trajectory for Pluto that uses Jovian gravity assist lies between 2004-2006. This could signifigantly shorten the time it takes the probe to reach Pluto which could significantly effect the next reason. 2) Pluto is currently heading away from the perihelion in its abort, thus is headed away from the Sun (and Earth). As Pluto heads away from the sun the surface temperature decreases and the atmosphere progressively condenses, freezing to the surface of the planet. Planetary scientist are very anxious to study its atmosphere in a gaseous state, it is predicted to be completetly frozen by 2020. As Pluto takes 248 years to revolve around the sun it will be a LONG time before it's gas again.
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Alan Stern is the PI, and a damn good mission leader. The probe will be built and operated by Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory - Those nice folks who built NEAR, got it to that small lump of rock called Eros, had a misburn but were smart enough to have a recovery plan in place, orbited a little late and took good data, and just for the hell of it managed to land on the damn thing.
If the funding holds out - we'll get there, on time and under budget.
Probably because he knows what hes doing.
He gets so much free publicity, why risk the chance of something going wrong.
Pluto is far and away the most boring of all of the planets. In fact, according to many scientists it isn't a planet at all, but rather an asteroid. Why are we wasting this much time and energy on a little rock in an eccentric orbit just because we (mistakenly) call it a planet? Pluto is SMALLER than EUROPA, less interesting, and a lot farther away. Let's go to Europa instead. Europa is one of the most interesting places in the solar system... A moon of ice with possible liquid oceans. It's truly an awesome place. I propose that NASA should bag the pluto mission and do this one instead.
...we need to get our monkey asses to Mars. Hell, there are Ghosts there(ghosts of mars), aliens(mission to mars), 4 titted prostitutes(total recall), humans with small people embedded in their chests(total recall), alien nuclear reactors, and all sorts of fun things to discover and enjoy. Why send another goddamn satellite out looking at other planets when we can party it up with martian meta-whores? Mr. Scientist needs to get out more.
It actually has a chance of working. JHU/APL also did the work on NEAR the satellite that crashed landed on Eros and still worked afterwards.
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don't you know: none of the corps really have that much money - they're all in massive debt like Enron.
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Actually, if you were a real trekkie you would know that according to Star Trek chronology we should be well on the way to blowing the fuck out of ourselves by now. Looks like we are right on track.
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great news, but if they find anything interesting, it will be covered up like usual. I'd rather see more data released about the planets and moons near us.
When are they going to send a probe to Uranus?
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
A web site now exists at http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/