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Archos Announces Portable Mediabox

An Anonymous Coward writes: "Archos has just announced the Jukebox Multimedia Portable Entertainment Center. Due this January, The unit is the same size and weight as the company's Jukebox 6000 MP3 portable, plays and records MPEG4 video, MP3 and WMA audio, has a color video screen built-in, and offers a FireWire interface as an option. What's most interesting about the player is an expansion connector that allows additional modules to be attached to the unit. One module lets the player take digital photographs and another allows the unit to record video from a TV. Neat concept that's more flexible than the Bokks AV component reported on Slashdot last week, but I think I would want more than the 10GB drive it uses for storage."

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  1. MPEG4 video? by Bonker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Question for me is, are the different mpeg4 formats similiar enough that I can play my DiVX 3 and DiVX4 anime fansubs on it?

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    1. Re:MPEG4 video? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2

      There is only *one* MPEG4 standard; DiVX and 3iVX etc are bastard children of the MPEG4 standard.

      Now there may be multiple implementations (Apple, Microsoft, etc), but like MP3, should, if the standard means anything, be cross compatible, though I have heard that the MPEG4 standard allows for multiple codecs (ala Flash layered with MP3 audio etc)... but I don't know about the last bit.

  2. I fear the battery life will suck royally by NickV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The major problem with products like these is the battery life is going to suck royally. My iPaq uses a high end Lithium Polymer battery, and I still only get about 8 hours of battery life... and that's not even doing something too intensive like playing mp3s or watching movies.

    Can you imagine the processor needed to decode mpeg4 on the fly? Can you imagine the processor needed to RECORD mpeg4 on the fly? Can you imagine how long this processor will run on 4 Rechargable NiMH AA batteries?

    Ick.

  3. pockets? by magicslax · · Score: 2, Funny

    While the article claims the device will fit in a pocket, the odly shaped modules sure wouldn't. And at 12+ ounces already, it becomes an ungainly, low resolution digital camera...

    ...or a digital video camera with a _very_ long recording time. Somebody mentioned in a previous article how nice it would be to attach a 40 gig ieee1394 drive directly to a camera for hours of digital footage. 10gigs is certainly a step in the right direction, it just looks strange.

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    1. Re:pockets? by MstrFool · · Score: 4, Informative

      It can get better. I have the 6000 jukebox and found that a 30 gig drive fits quite nicely in it and works as well as the 6 gig it comes with, and at $150 it makes a nice upgrade and only drops battery life by about an hour. Using the Monster 1800 ma NIMs corects that quickly as the bats it comes with are only 1500 ma NIMs. They also have 48 gig drives that are the same size over on pricewatch.com, havent tried one of those in my jukebox, but I bet it would be real nice in this player.

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    2. Re:pockets? by MinusOne · · Score: 2

      I also have a Toshiba 30GB drive in my Jukebox 6000 (does that make it a Jukebox 30000?) Tishiba's highest capacity drive in the 9.5mm form factor is 40GB. I don't think that the 48GB drives you see on Pricewatch are 9.5mm, I think they are 12.5mm, which will not fit in the Archos. I'm not certain, but I think that 40GB is the max for now, but just a few months ago when I upgraded my Jukebox 30GB was the max. I suspect that by the end of 2002 you will be able to buy a 100GB drive that will fit.

  4. Hmm... by cascino · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sure that the the features of this new model will attract many, but I'll personally stay away: I've had three bad experiences with Archos products.
    I purchased an Archos 6000 MP3 player from ThinkGeek about two months ago, and it arrived DOA. It simply would not turn on. I got my money back (TG was excellent as far as service is concerned, by the way), and used it to purchase an Archos HD-MP3 from a retailer in New York (who offered the better model at approximately the same price). I figured that the first time was probably a fluke, and besides - the better model offered the ability to record MP3's, something I could definitely use to for live music recording.
    Two more returns later, and I'm still waiting for my fourth Archos MP3 player. My experiences may be the exception to the rule, but I'd be wary of something like this until reliability figures come out.

    1. Re:Hmm... by OmegaDan · · Score: 2

      I can't explain 3 bad units, but I can tell you the unit acts *very* flaky when its batteries are completley dead/bad ... won't power on, won't charge (this is the kicker!) ... it seemed to me the cpu draws its power from the batteries regardless of wether its plugged into the wall ... The batts went bad on mine one day, and it wouldn't charge, wouldn't play, gave HD errors when it *would* turn on ... I changed out the batteries -- it ran like new again ...

    2. Re:Hmm... by bfree · · Score: 2
      Perhaps with an Archos, if you get past the first day, you're in the clear.

      Unfortunatly not if your me anyway :-( My Jukebox 6000 worked fine for nearly two months and then the Hard Disk died :-( Now I'm deciding where the money from my refund will go :-) I think I'll wait a few months for a firewire+usb(+network) 25Gb+ Hard Disk that's no bigger or heavier than the Jukebox 6000 was (that was my weight limit for sure) and preferably has a good battery life (like 24 hours of play so you can take it away for the weekend and at least one hour as a portable hdd).
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    3. Re:Hmm... by Simulant · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mine is somewhat flakey on low batteries also....(It is one of the first hardware revs) It also sometimes says "USB Active" and then powers off for no apparent reason. But it plays MP3s very well most of the time, is pretty much flawless as a USB hard drive and was more affordable than anything else at the time. (Still is, I think). I've abused my too.. I broke the backlight when I installed a 20gig drive and I can't even count how many times I've dropped it, usually on the concrete while getting out of my car. I still love it though! I would like a more stable version of essentially the same thing. Wish they sold them cheaper, without the drives. They could also use a redesign so it's easier to get the batteries in and out. Oh.. and of course fire wire would be great! Not so sure I want to watch video on it though.

    4. Re:Hmm... by MinusOne · · Score: 2

      Mine never skips when playing a playlist, even a list generated from a random selection of songs on the box. The only think that has made it skip much is when the MP3's are encoded at over 192Kbps. Also, you should check that you have the latest revision of the firmware downloaded off of their site. Of course it could be that when I hacked mine the 30GB drive I put in has a much better data throughput than the original 6GB drive.

  5. I really don't get it... by Daniel+Wood · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Why do people even want to bother with this kind of thing? A simple video in board and some PVR software on a Shuttle FV24 with an additional remote would be a much better solution.

    Perhaps its just that geeks prefer to hack things apart more than hacking them together?

  6. Invest 30 seconds to visit the site by Chairboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you took even the briefest moment to visit the site before trying to get 'fp props' or something, you would have been able to read that the unit has a 10 hour playback on one charge.

    It's not clear what this was 10 hours of playing, eg, is it the same for video versus music?

    1. Re:Invest 30 seconds to visit the site by OmegaDan · · Score: 3, Informative

      ummm, I own the arhcos jukebox 6000, and I can tell you that the "6 hour battery life" they claim is more like 2 or 3... the device also seems to have a mind of its own -- some days I get 5 hours, some days I get 2, on the same charge time.

      keep that in mind when you think about "10 hours"...

    2. Re:Invest 30 seconds to visit the site by MstrFool · · Score: 2, Informative

      I get 6 to 8 hours on the 2nd set I got from them. They put out word that the had some bad batteries and to call them for an RPL, took all of about 5 mins total, then a few days for them to get here. and if you don't like the life the get some better batteries, use some 1800 maH NIMs, they realy bring up the life and will charge fine in the unit.

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    3. Re:Invest 30 seconds to visit the site by Elbereth · · Score: 2

      Wouldn't that be false advertising?

      I bought a piece of crap Teac CD-RW that advertised a two megabyte buffer, but 768k of that buffer is used for firmware! That leaves me with about 1.2MB to use, and I don't even have the luxury of burn-proof. Teac sucks royally these days. I remember when Teac used to make good, high quality stuff.

      Maybe we should start prosecuting the companies who pull this shit with us.

  7. I don't know if anyone else noticed tis, but.. by jx100 · · Score: 4, Informative

    for some reason it lists the specs for the Archos Jukebox at the bottom, not the Archos Jukebox Multimedia

    I mean:
    "Capacity: 6GB Low Voltage Hard Drive "?

    "Display: Graphic Backlit LCD (Up to 8 lines of characters)"?

    1. Re:I don't know if anyone else noticed tis, but.. by TotallyUseless · · Score: 2

      I was wondering why the top half of the article said a 10 gig drive, and the bottom half kept saying 6 gig. thank you for clearing up why!

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  8. Trends in players and portables/desktops by bryan1945 · · Score: 2

    Players getting more and more complex
    More portable desktops (LCD iMac)

    It ought to be rather interesting when these 2 trends run into each other.... the digital home appliance, maybe?

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  9. official site by pneuma_66 · · Score: 4, Informative

    As i was reading the article, i thought the item was a fake (all those badly rendered images), so i went to archos's site and here is the official page on the device. however, it still sounds like vapor to me.

  10. Not the exception by HamNRye · · Score: 2

    I have personally had miserable experiences with the Archos MP3 recorder. I am still awaiting shipment of my #4, after a poor history.

    I purchased directly from Archos.

    #1: Charging Jack on the unit was loose and finally shorted completely. Took Archos a month to get on the ball and issue an RMA.

    #2: Badly beaten refurb was sent out. HD errors out the wazoo, caused a bus storm if hooked to the computer.

    #3: Slightly bruised refurb. Played for 5 minutes (exactly) and locked up. Every time.

    Aside from the poor reliability, the jukeboxes have problems with large directories, playlists, etc. The random function can only be applied to one directory, and has a poor randomizing algorhythm.

    Example: My daughter's christening, I filled a directory with 300 songs and put them on random. The jukebox would play one song and then choke on the directory while looking for the next random song to play.

    Recording is VBR ONLY, and I often had trouble with recorded tracks playing back.

    Archos will be toast if they ever get some real competition. But heck, that's what I said about Microsoft.

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