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MS Zone Users Must Use Passport Accounts

pathos writes: "CNet reports in this article that Microsoft, in its continued obsession to get everyone and his/her mother to be a registered Passport user, forced all of it's MS Zone gaming site users (including players of 'Asheron's Call') to open accounts in Passport in order to keep using the service... too bad that a bug with their .NET deployment kept many users not being able to access the service..." Of course, if you run the hotel, you get to say who uses the pool ...

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  1. Makes sense by jathos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hate Microsoft as much as the next *nix guy, but this makes sense to me. If you're going to push a single account/password strategy, you need to implement it yourself first.

    If you are going to use Microsoft web services, you have to get used to .NET and Passport. For myself, I'll just continue to choose not to use any Microsoft web services.

  2. Maybe this is not so obvious... by --daz-- · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But the whole point of passport was to provide a single continous logon throughout the MSN suite of web sites.

    Why is Zone.com any different?

  3. Business sense. by Matt2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Of course, it looks a little different if you consider things from a business perspective. If you're a company that has 7 different login and authentication systems for their wide array of services, and you could centralize that for cost savings, wouldn't you do it? I would.

    The problem with Microsoft is that later down the line someone will say "we should use this massive pile of user data we've got to get volunteers to test our new free brain implants."

    Not everything Microsoft does is evil, it's just usually the last thing that they do that turns everything they've done before evil.

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    1. Re:Business sense. by deebaine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have described the situation exactly. Lately, say over the past 12-18 months, Microsoft has made several decisions that I regard as outstanding business moves, reminiscent more of the vision of a PC on every desk than of the "what Internet" debacle.

      And not only is this a sensible business decision, but also I'd rather have one login and set of user data, all else being equal. Of course, all else is not equal. A single point of failure demands a level of planning, care, and skill that Microsoft does not have or has not demonstrated in the recent past.

      It is the track record of their implementations of ideas that makes me terribly nervous, not necessarily the ideas and decisions themselves.

      -db

  4. TOS? by ryanr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And if I violate the ToS for any Microsoft service, do I get my passport pulled so that I can no longer access my Hotmail account or anything else that requires it?

    1. Re:TOS? by Syberghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. This is why you have to make a decision:

      Either use Microsoft for EVERYTHING, or for NOTHING.

      There just isn't much of a middleground anymore. Either take the plunge, wipe Linux off your drives, and surrender all your data (personal and PC) to Microsoft, or don't use them for ANYTHING at all.

      Get rid of that Windows gaming partition, and just run Linux games. Or don't bitch when Microsoft bends you over like this. It's their service, you agreed to that when you signed up. Even if you signed up with Hotmail before Microsoft bought it, you still agreed to follow Hotmail's terms of service, including updates, and it's been updated.

      There are still pockets of things you can do with Microsoft software that don't suck you into the whole mess (such as using Windows 98 for those games), but eventually it's all going this way. Eventually you won't be able to run any of the new games on Win98, and you'll have to make the choice; and when it comes, it'll be a Microsoft product that requires Passport in order to function.

      Make your choice, and don't bitch if Microsoft changes the rules after you've agreed to a contract allowing them to. You're a free human being, you make your choices and you live with the consequences.

  5. Someday this will bite them in the ass. by Xenopax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know we've said this before, but whenever Passport allows access to everyone bank account and stock portfolio the Passport servers will the the target of every black-hat hacker on the planet. And you know that script kiddies will be blasting it constantly with DOS attacks.

    I'm sure MS will have excuses for why it happened to, like published security holes and such. But it will be their fault for leaving so much critical information linked to one account.

    -Xenopax

  6. Terms of Service by sterno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's a question for people to ponder. What happens if I violate the terms of service of Passport or any attached property of Microsoft? Or more to the point, what happens if Microsoft mistakenly thinks I did but I didn't (like if I was hacked, etc). It seems that as Passport is further extended, this has a greater and greater impact on my ability to do things on-line. What if my bank uses passport? What if I communicate with my doctor through a passport secured site? If I get booted from passport for whatever reason, there could be some serious personal ramifications, and there's noreal recourse for me because I clicked the little "I Accept" button.

    I grant you this is a little out there and paranoid, but I think that if passport does become a very fundamental part of on-line authorization systems, this could become a potential problem

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  7. Re:What's the big deal? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I assume you have to have a "MS Zone" account to play the games, what's the big deal about having a passport account instead?
    It's a privacy thing. If you have a MS Zone account and you access some other site, that other site doesn't know who you are, let alone that you have a MS Zone account. Now, if you instead have a Passport in order to play at the MS Zone and go to that same other site, if they use Passport too then that other site not only knows who you are they know where you live and your phone number and your ISP and your credit card number(s) and any other info M$ has managed to collect about you. This may ease checkout at their online store, but if you're not there to buy anything why would you want them to know all this?

    It remindes me of Tandy's long-bankrupt Incredible Universe, which wouldn't let you in the the door without a credit check. Hmm, I wonder why they're no longer in business?

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  8. Re:This surprised people? by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There are some differences, as you're probably
    aware. :) First, the US Government doesn't own
    98% of all usable land. Now, if they did, and they
    insisted that some African goat-herder who has
    never even heard of the US be a US citizen in
    order to continue herding goats, you could expect
    a bit of a protest. Quite a bit of a protest.


    The point is not that Microsoft is doing something
    wrong, because they DO own the service and they DO
    therefore have a say on how it is used.


    The point is that they have monopoly control on
    the desktop, they have monopoly control on the
    browser market, and they are rapidly acquiring a
    monopoly on the online gaming industry. The
    leverage of a monopoly in ONE field to control
    another is illegal, never mind three!


    And therein lies the problem. The control is not
    at issue. It is the abuse of monopoly power in a
    seperate field, in order to gain that control,
    which is so often the problem. You are simply not
    permitted that kind of power, in the US. At least,
    in theory. It's not slowed Microsoft any, even
    though their actions have been declared illegal,
    by numerous courts, over monopoly abuse.


    (And here you were, thinking Monopoly was just a
    board game!)

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  9. Why is this under "Your Rights Online" by Quarters · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This has nothing to do with rights. Well, it does, but it has to do with Microsoft's rights. They have a right to use whatever authentication system for their web pages that they choose.

    You, as the average internet consumer do not have a right to access some companies pages without using the access mechanism that they choose. You do have a right to not grace that company with your business, though.

    Really, can someone explain to me all of the mis-directed righteous indignation at Microsoft over this? It's a non-issue. If you don't like what MS has done with the Zone...tough. Just go play elsewhere.

    1. Re:Why is this under "Your Rights Online" by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Today, it's about playing M$ games or not. Big Deal, right?
      Someday you'll understand.
      It might be on Tax day, when you realize that you can "choose" to pay your taxes on line (for free, and get your return quickly) using Passport, or you can "choose" to pay the filing fee and wait six months for the return, but not use Passport.
      It might be on Election Day, when you can "choose" to vote electronically, from your desktop, and for the Incumbent Party using Passport, or you can "choose" to take time off from work, stand in line at the polling place (in the bad neighbor hood, in the rain) and vote anonymously for the party of your choice.
      It might be when you take your car in for an oil change, and "choose" to pay with your Passport-linked credit card, knowing full well that the next time you go on-line every pop-up add will tell you about the neat accessories available for your "2004 Dreadnought SUV" (except for tinted windows, 'cause you already got those) or how 'old' a car with 21,294.6 miles is...
      Perhaps Graduation day, when you realize that without a Passport, your shcool won't make a transcript available on-line to potential employers. Of course they can still request one by mail, but that may take up to six weeks, and the job offer may not wait that long...
      .
      That's what 'monopoly' means, really. It means a condition exists under which a choice which you would otherwise have (or expect to have) does not exist.
      Monopolies in themselves are not absolutely bad. In some cases they are naturally occuring, in others they are necessary and beneficial.
      But in cases where a company (which, by definition, exists only to make a profit for it's shareholders) can leverage a monopoly to their own benefit and in a way which could destroy the checks and balances we've carefully constructed in other areas, there is due cause to be concerned.
      And when that company has a history of abusing prior monopoly advantage, the cause for concern is even more justified.
      And when that company can exercise "root access" control of the computers we are expecting to be serving us and making decisions which should only consider the costs and benefits to us, and won't allow us to even look at the source code to verify that our personal information isn't being sent against our will, it becomes a critical concern.
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      Did you really think Microsoft would come right out and say "we're doing this to remain profitable, and we don't care how many other business we have to bankrupt to do it?" Of course not. This is just about games. It's always just about games, right up until it isnt.

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