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The Forever War

mfarah writes: "I've liked science-fiction ever since my mother introduced me to the genre with a couple of Asimov's books when I was ten years old. I read a decent amount of it in high school, but pretty much abandoned the whole thing in university (not enough time and no money; my Usenet addiction didn't help)." Now he's going to try to soak up some of your time (but not too much) with this review of another Science Fiction classic, below. The Forever War author Joe Haldeman pages 254 publisher Avon Books rating 9 reviewer mfarah ISBN 0380708213 summary A short but good military SF novel. After finishing university, I suddenly had money and time available. Decided to take advantage of this to re-take my hobby, I purchased an awful lot of SF books (mostly the classics), and have been catching up for the last three years.

The latest book I've taken out of my "read pending" queue is The Forever War, by Joe Haldeman. Its credits include the Nebula Award in 1975 and the Hugo Award in 1976, and being considered one of the classics of the genre.

This is a fairly short science-fiction novel (250 pages in my mass-market paperback copy), dealing with the main character William Mandela, a young physics student drafted into the UN-controlled space army when war breaks out against the Taurans, an alien species we at first know nothing about (I'll purposefully avoid getting into a detailed discussion of the plot).

The novel is told to us from Mandela's viewpoint; Mandela narrates everything that happens in a very easy to read colloquial style, with an exquisite attention to details; the short chapters the book is divided in makes it a breeze to read -- a weekend in my case (and I'm no fast reader).

The Mandela character is well constructed, and his account reads like a friend telling you the story of his life. There are other characters that barely appear in the novel, yet they also feel properly written. The plot is simple and direct, with just a couple of nasty turns at key points in the story (you'll know them when you see them).

This description may remind some people of Heinlein's Starship Troopers: young guy (Mandela/Rico) enters the army, goes through a training period, goes to war with an unknown species, kicks butt and all that. Actually, that superficial description is where the resemblance stops: the way Mandela and John Rico get into the army is distinct, the training period is quite different, the aliens have nothing in common; both novels focus mainly on different stuff, and the few common themes are treated differently. If you expect this to be a Starship Troopers clone, you'll be surprised.

Surprisingly, the treatment of science isn't -- very detailed. There is enough of it to dismiss claims of this being a war novel simply translated into a SF setting (even if the author's acknowledged that the novel deals with his experiences in the Vietnam war), but hard-SF zealots might be disappointed.

All in all, this was a very enjoyable read, and I highly recommend it. I've voted 9 for this novel in the Top100SF.

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  1. It's genius by Myco · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The Forever War is a fantastic piece of work. Just to be clear, though it's set in the future this book is really about the Vietnam War, and in particular the sense of alienation a vet feels when returning home. I'm not into war novels at all, but this reads like sci fi and it's incredibly satisfying.

    I also heartily recommend Haldeman's other "Forever" books: Forever Peace and Forever Free. They're not quite sequels (well, Forever Free is but it's set much later), but they give you the same sort of fantastic experience as The Forever War.

    Some of my top sci fi picks of all time. They're on my shelf next to Ender's Game.

    1. Re:It's genius by FortKnox · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, it is about the vietnam war. In fact, I believe he wrote it while in the vietnam war.

      Check Mr.Haldeman's website yourself.

      This is the book that brought me into science fiction. By far, I consider this the best book I've read (over Ender's Game, and Starship Troopers).

      The times are a bit off, if you read the unabridged version (it takes place in the 90s as I recall), but the way he deals with the thousands of years that go by is just ingenious!

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  2. One of My Favorites by puppetman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What made the novel truely disturbing was the alienation that the soldiers experienced upon returning home.

    Because they travelled at the speed of light, a tour that lasted a year could mean that hundreds of years had passed back on Earth. The accepted norms and values of society had changed remarkably, and the soldiers had to try to adapt.

    I suppose this alienation parallels the experience of Vietnam veterans, as Haldeman openly mentions that the book is really about Vietnam.

    The Forever Peace, which has nothing to do with the Forever War, but is none-the-less a great book.

  3. preemptive strike by White+Shade · · Score: 3, Informative

    hmmm.. the comparison with starship troopers is fraught with peril... so... i'll launch a pre-emptive strike against possible lameness:
    Do NOT judge Starship Troopers the book by Starship Troopers the movie! They are almost completely different from each other! The movie takes about 10 pages from the book and twists them almost to breaking. The result is that a movie that lost all of the really INTERESTING stuff that the book had; from political debate, full-body battle armor, to vicious bipedal aliens..

    so yeah.. this goes out to anyone who decides to flame based on what they thought of starship troopers the movie.

    (hmm.. i sense an offtopic coming. but i felt it was necessary to say this in order to protect two good books from a movie butchery)

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    1. Re:preemptive strike by Yokaze · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, I had the feeling the film also wasn't a "hiphip hurrah for us war" film.
      I had the feeling, it was a failed satire.
      I only remember the scene, where the "scientist" looking like Reich SS Leader Himmler himself looking at the wounded creature uttering something like "it fears us". Probably, I only hope it was a failed satire.

      Here a little statement from Verhoeven himself:
      "The philosophy of Heinlein is certainly in the movie. Whether I adhere to that society myself is something else, but it is the philosophy of the world he described, and we took that from his book." [Warren, Bill. 1997: Starship Troopers: The Official Movie Magazine]
      I guess they failed both understanding the book and caricaturising its society.

      For me, the most disturbing about the film wasn't the film itself, but the response it created: It wasn't seen as satire, neither as a bad SciFi-flick, but as cool.

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  4. Relativity, Anyone? by Sargent1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having read the review, I'm rather surprised that no mention was made of the relativistic effects which were the underpinning of the book.

    See, the reason that it's the Forever War is that everyone who's sent to the frontlines to fight travel on ships that accelerate to an appreciable fraction of the speed of light. The narrator of the story thus spends hundreds of "objective" years fighting the war for a few years of his subjective time. The result? The soldiers who are asked to fight in this war find themselves more and more estranged from human culture, which changes at the usual rate of one year per yer. The soldiers are anachronisms, and as the war drags on and society and the rules of engagement change, the soldiers find themselves cut off from society.

    1. Re:Relativity, Anyone? by m_evanchik · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Tau Zero, by Poul Anderson, is another book where the time effects of relativistic travel play a central role in the book. It's a great book that deals with the social dynamics of a group in an isolated enviroment (I guess you can't get anymore isolated than a spaceship moving at close to light speed) and the unexpected consequences of close-to-light-speed travel.

      What's most remarkable about the book is Anderson's poetic but accurate depictions of the physics of the ship traveling at close to light speed and how that affects its relationship to the rest of the universe. Like Forever War, Tau Zero was written years ago, but it still a worthwhile read.

      Anderson does not dumb down the physics either. The title is taken from a term in the equation describing the time effects of space travel.

      I don't want to give away the plot development, but Tau Zero is a great book if you are interested in the ideas of groups in crisis and relativity.

  5. Forever War == Starship Troopers after Vietnam by Ian+Lance+Taylor · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think the comparison to Starship Troopers is reasonable and appropriate. Starship Troopers was written during the Cold War after World War II and the Korean War, and it reflects the sensibilities of the time (plus Heinlein's own philosophy, of course). I think the Forever War is a conscious updating of Starship Troopers after the country's and the author's experiences in the Vietnam War.

    BTW, Haldeman used to teach a science fiction class at M.I.T., and for all I know he still does.

    1. Re:Forever War == Starship Troopers after Vietnam by Bearpaw · · Score: 3, Informative
      I think of Forever War as sort of an "anti-Starship Troopers. Heinlein's novel rather glamorizes the military in general and the PBI (Poor Bloody Infantry) in particular; Haldeman's book does not.

      I think it's worth pointing out that -- contrary to what many people probably assume -- Heinlein thought "Forever War" was an excellent piece of work, and told Haldeman so, in personally and in public.

      But that doesn't fit the pre-conceptions that a lot of people have, so it usually gets lost in the generally shallow analysis whenever this comparison comes up ...

  6. Another book about Microsoft?! by javaaddikt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, wait... nevermind.

  7. That's a funky organization scheme... by Squirrel+Killer · · Score: 3, Funny
    They're on my shelf next to Ender's Game.
    ...either that or you've got a small book collection. I mean Haldeman next to Card? or are you using titles? But then how do you find all of your Douglas Adams or Isaac Asimov books?

    -sk

  8. Would also recommend Armor by John Steakley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I purchased both of these books at the same time from Amazon a couple of years ago and enjoyed both. These were both recommended to me by a fellow fan of Starship Troopers (the book) who also hated the movie. I'm far enough off topic as it is so I would just say read the reviews on Amazon if you are at all curious.

  9. Links and Sample Chapters by LauraLolly · · Score: 5, Informative
    Haldeman has his own website, which also has links to from the latest book to be published, The Coming. (Since it's on Earthlink, it may be slashdotted. The links can be found here at Google)

    I actually prefer his trilogy of Worlds, Worlds Apart, and Worlds Enough in Time, but Forever War has a couple of concepts that I come back to years afterwards. I disagree with the assessment that Forever Free and Forever Peace suck. These are different books, with different themes, in different styles. (That said, I didn't enjoy them nearly as much. If I had to recommend one book above all others as an introduction to Haldeman, it would be the short story collection Dealing in Futures

    One thing that I enjoy about Haldeman's work that also maddens me is that he adores experimentimg. Although he is a consistently good writer, he really does try to fit the style to the story. Hemingway Hoax reads very differently from some of his other books, and The Coming is a study in rapid-cutting movie techniques applied to novels.

    I'm glad to see this book reviewed, as Haldeman has consistently come up with some of the most interesting ideas in SF. Oh, and the tired thing about Forever War as a retread of Starship Troopers? Heinlein didn't think so. He congratulated Haldeman on "writing one of the most original stories I've ever seen."

  10. FOREVER WAR vs. STARSHIP TROOPERS by Lumpish+Scholar · · Score: 5, Insightful


    The Forever War first appeared as a series of short stories and novellas in Analog Science Fiction / Science Fact magazine. When the first story, "Hero," was published in 1972, critics complained it was a rip-off of Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers with sex (and slightly fancier powered armor).

    The difference? Heinlein was a U.S. Naval Academy graduate who contracted tuberculosis and was forced out of the service with a medical discarge; I believe he was never given the chance to see combat. Haldeman was a Vietnam draftee. (His online biography says, "Purple Heart and other standard medals.") They had very different views of war. Haldeman's was new and unusual for the SF community.

    Both are very good stories by very good writers.

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    1. Re:FOREVER WAR vs. STARSHIP TROOPERS by Zalgon+26+McGee · · Score: 3, Informative
      Mr Haldeman's Vietnam experience is nicely summed up in his poem "DX", found in None So Blind. In the afterword to that piece, he writes "But DX is truly unique. I've read a lot of science fiction and some autobiography. This is the only piece I know of that is both."

      I'd strongly recommend both None so Bline and Dealing in Futures, two of his short story collections. Both are great reads, with wonderful observations and thoughts interspersed aong the stories and poems.

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  11. There is a graphic novel (b�d�) version by Stavr0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It was adapted by Hadelman himself and inked by Marvano. It was published in French as a trilogy in 1988. Unfortunately there doensn't seem to be an english translation.
    Amazon.fr
    Unfortunately, the graphic art is very ordinary -- it would've been a masterpiece had it been drawn by, say, Moebius or Bilal.

  12. Review of review by ThePlague · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The reviewer failed to grasp the significance of the science that was presented in this book. It is one of the few SciFi novels that realistically portrays the consequences of time dilation due to relativistic travel. In addition, the effects of attaining such speeds, i.e. accelerations involved, play a critical role at several points in the narrative. So, the physics is definitely there, just not as didactic as other noteworthy physics-friendly novels, such as Rendezvous with Rama.

    This shouldn't be too surprising, as Haldeman was a physics major. More information about the author can be found at his website.

    The Forever War has been called an "answer" to Starship Troopers. The main contrast between the two is that Rico volunteers, as does everyone else, for federal service, whereas Mandela is drafted. Rico knows his war to be just, whereas Mandela is never sure. Rico also revels in the destruction of the enemy of his own accord, while Mandela is forced to a bloodlust via post-hypnotic suggestion. Basically, Starship Troopers justifies its war by portraying an underestimated enemy that is ruthless, while the plot of The Forever War hints at the notion that it is mostly xenophobia and economics that drives the conflict. Rico grows to be eager to fight, of his own volition, while Mandela is coerced at every turn.

    I suppose the over-riding thematic difference between the two would be that Heinlein's work portrays a protagonist that through the process of becoming more mature learns that societal duty is the highest, while Mandela has his cynicism and distrust of the powers that be confirmed.

  13. Pay for writers? by NMerriam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This review does no justice to the book, and is distressingly superficial. If it was written by a sixth-grader, I would give this "book report" a barely passing grade.

    To review the Forever War as simply Starship Troopers with different training and aliens is to miss the point. This is not a book "about" aliens or technology or hyperspace travel or combat suits.

    This is a book about the nature of war -- the people we send to fight, society's relationship to those people, and the permanent affect such an undertaking has on the lives of those it touches.

    The Forever War is an excellent novel, not because it is a sci-fi tale, but because it is a human tale -- an admonition to society that conflicts are not to be entered lightly, and that we have a responsibility to those who fight, well beyond merely supplying them with bullets.

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  14. Re:One of My Favorites...Well, OK, BUT..... by darkPHi3er · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "What made the novel truely disturbing was the alienation that the soldiers experienced upon returning home."

    And that was the essence of what the book was about.....

    I read the book the week it was published (still have that copy), I was very impressed with Haldeman's treatment of the cultural and psychological aspects of isolation and alientation on soldiers as time passed in their societies "back home".

    And from a craft point of view, I still think that it is Haldeman's best book.

    However, "Forever War", for me, fairly light on the "s" portion of s/f.

    Also, any comparison to Starship Troopers (the book), is merely superficial resemblance.

    Johnny Rico, in ST, is the device Heinlein uses to show us the effects of a "limitless war" upon both people and societies, when confronted with an enemy so inhuman that they are merely "Bugs" (a device Scott Card has also used and improved upon in his "Enders" series).....

    However, in FW, William Mandela IS the story. His POV dominates the entire book (as was Haldeman's intention).

    We never see a maturation curve on Johnny Rico. Sure, he gets older and wiser and tougher as his combat time accumulates, but we don't get to see into his mind the way we do with William Mandela.

    Haldeman does a great job with the soldier's POV and his own personal experiences in "Nam ring out nicely in the book, BUT...

    "Forever War" is a book that looks within and Starship Troopers is a book that looks without....

    s/f has ALWAYS had a wide range of treatment of science and technology, from the wild-but-nonscientific "raygun and mind control" pennings of Doc Smith and his "Lensmen" series to the scientifically carefully crafted work of Charles Sheffield.

    Forever War is stong on the story and characters and the resulting insights, but if you are expecting some "kick ass" or unique treatment of relativistic effects, you'll be somewhat disappointed, not much science is being committed.

    YMMV
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  15. Several versions of this book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The reviewer left this out, but there are actually three different versions of this book that are available.

    The first version was the original publication, and is the shortest. I think it was cut to make the book shorter, and thus cheaper, and it left out most of the chapters of civilian life.

    The second version added some cut chapters, but not all.

    The third version is the latest published, and it contained the entire book as originally written. I recently read this version, and I think it is by far the best of the three.

  16. Re:One of My Favorites...Well, OK, BUT..... by llywrch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > Also, any comparison to Starship Troopers (the book), is merely superficial resemblance.
    >
    > Johnny Rico, in ST, is the device Heinlein uses to show us the effects of a "limitless war" upon both people and societies, when
    > confronted with an enemy so inhuman that they are merely "Bugs" (a device Scott Card has also used and improved upon in
    > his "Enders" series).....

    > However, in FW, William Mandela IS the story. His POV dominates the entire book (as was Haldeman's intention).

    I think you miss an important point here that makes the contrast between the two books both deep & insightful: Heinlein was an officer, & Haldeman was a grunt.

    My grandfather served in the First World War in the American Expeditionary Force, where he was injured by mustard gas. According to my mother, afterwards he read a book or two, & complained that these books DIDN'T describe the war he was in. I'm sure at some point Haldeman read Heinlein's book, & not only came to the same conclusion, but found the inspiration to write his own book.

    Geoff

    P.S. Does anyone else remember the board game ``Warp Wars" from the late 1970's? The creator admitted he was inspired in his time-dilation mechanics by Haldeman's novel.

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  17. Forever books by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've read just about everything from Joe Haldeman- Forever War is one of his best. Others have mentioned things about the Forever Peace and Forever Free. They are all different novels, but Forever Free was neat and fun, until the very end, which was very disappointing. I'm not going to give it away, but it seems that when he was writing Forever Free, he was going strong and then had to finish it quickly to fulfill some contractual obligation. I didn't go into this book thinking that it would be more of the same, but I do want a good story, not one that makes me wonder why I even bothered reading the book.

  18. Re:Pet peeve by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a difference- it is used to distinguish between "mass-market" and "trade" paperbacks:
    Here is a link.

    From that link:
    Mass-market paperbacks (pbk)
    AKA "rack sized", these are the books that you can find in any store selling books. Most measure aproximately 4.25" x 7".

    Trade paperbacks (Tpbk)
    Paperbacks that are larger than mass-markets, many times having the same dimensions as a hard cover. Known as trades because they are generally only carried by actual bookstores (in the trade) and not in non-bookstores, like grocery stores. (This however is starting to change.)

  19. Interestingly enough by unicorn · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's more or less what Forever War is, as well. Both books, are colored by the 2 very different authors perceptions of the government, and by their different time periods in which they grew up, and formed most of their philosophical underpinnings.

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  20. Joe Haldeman/Forever War data by jonathanpost · · Score: 3, Informative

    From The Ultimate Science Fiction Web Guide:
    <http://magicdragon.com>, click on "Science Fiction"

    Joe Haldeman, full name Joe William Haldeman:
    Hugo Awards 1976, 77, 91, 95
    Locus Poll Award 1976
    Nebula Awards 1975, 90, 93
    World Fantasy Award 1993
    HOMer Award 1994
    SF Chronicle Award 1995
    Joe Haldeman@sff.net
    Joe [William] Haldeman, born Oklahoma City 9 Jun 1943, son of Jack Carroll Haldeman and Lorena Spivey, married Mary Gay Potter 21 Aug 1965, author:
    * War Year [Holt, 1972]
    * Cosmic Laughter, 1974
    * The Forever War [St.Martins, 1975; Science Fiction Book Club; Ballentine Books]
    * Mindbridge [St.Martins, 1976; Science Fiction Book Club; Ballentine Books]
    * Planet of Judgment, 1977
    * All My Sins Remembered, 1977
    * Study War No More, 1977
    * Infinite Dreams, 1978
    * Worlds Without End, 1979
    * Worlds, 1981 (with brother Jack C. Haldeman II)
    * There Is No Darkness, 1983
    * Worlds Apart, 1983
    * Tool of the Trade, 1987
    * Buying Time [William Morrow, June 1989] IMMORTALITY ISBN 0-688-07244-5, a.k.a. "The Long Habit of Living"
    * The Hemingway Hoax [Morrow, Jun 1990] TIME TRAVEL 0-688-09024-9
    * More Than the Sum of His Parts [Pulphouse (Short Story Paperback), May 1991]
    ISBN 1-56146-514-3
    * 1968 [London: Hodder & Stoughton, 1994; Morrow, 1995] SF/Vietnam Autobiographical, highly recommended
    * Forever Peace [Ace , Oct 1997] ISBN 0-441-00406-7, sequel to The Forever War
    * also the "Attar the Merman" series
    * some "Star Trek" novels:
    * Planet of Judgement [Bantam, 1977]
    * Star Trek: World Without End [Bantam, 1979; June 1993]
    Anthologies and Collections Edited:
    * Nebula Awards 17 [Holt, 1983]
    * Dealing in Futures [Viking, 1985] 11 stories + 3 poems
    * Body Armor: 2000 (co-anthologists Martin H. Greenberg, Charles G. Waugh)
    [Ace, Apr 1986] 11 Military/SF stories, ISBN 0-441-06976-2
    * Space-Fighters (co-anthologists Martin H. Greenberg, Charles G. Waugh)
    [Ace, Apr 1988] 15 stories, ISBN 0-441-77786-4
    * Supertanks (co-anthologists Martin H. Greenberg, Charles G. Waugh)
    [Ace, Apr 1987] 10 stories, ISBN 0-441-79106-9
    * Vietnam and Other Alien Worlds [NESFA Press, Feb 1993] ISBN 0-915368-52-8
    4 stories + 5 essays + 4 poems + long intro
    * None So Blind [Morrow AvoNova, May 1996] ISBN 0-688-14779-8
    Collection of 11 stories + poems
    * Saul's Death & Other Poems [Anamnesis Press, June 1997] ISBN 0-9631203-4-4
    $10.95, 77pp, trade paperback, cover artists: Toni Luna Montealegre,
    SF/Fantasy Poetry collection (32 poems)
    B.S. 1967 in Physics and Astronomy, University of Maryland;
    MFA in English 1975 University of Iowa;
    Associate Professor of Writing Program 1983-87, M.I.T.; served with U.S. Army 1967-69, decorated Purple Heart; recipient Hugo Award 1976, 1977; Nebula Award 1975; Lifetime Active Member of Science Fiction Writers of America, Authors Guild, Poets & Writers Inc.

  21. One needs to mention "Armor" by John Steakley by pmancini · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is a triumvarate of good Power Armor books.

    Starship Troopers,
    The Forever War and
    Armor

    Starship Troopers is the facist, macho view point. The enemy consists of skinnies and nasty bugs. The army way is the right way and cowards are not well recieved.

    The Forever War is the idealistic, peacnik view. The situation is always fubar, authority figures suck and the book explores many interesting socialogical situations such as men and women in the army together, gay life, and a world where only nice people are cloned.

    Armor - this book avoids the whole good and bad issue because the main character is essencially insane. The situation is always FUBAR. Authority figures run the range of good to incompetent but it doesn't matter because the "Ants" manage to screw up every plan Earth has for them. There is a very cool and interesting and totally out of place middle story that doesn't involve the main character.

    I don't just recommend all three books. I think anyone who reads one has to read the other two. I liked them all for their merits but opinions vary and you are bound to hate at least one of these books.

    --Peter