Crazy Stats on Spam
gtaylor writes "An article in the Korea Times says that market research firm Emforce has established that South Korean internet users average about 1600 pieces of spam annually, summing to around 39 billion pieces of spam per year. According to the same story, Americans receive about 2500 pieces of spam per year." I figured that I get somewhere around 30-40,000 pieces of
spam annually. Lucky me... I get *this* statistic to be on the other
side of the bell curve :)
What I think would be an interesting addition to this would be to look at how much spam finds it's way onto newsgroups and weblogs such as this. My guess would be several orders of magnitude more, quite a waste of time and energy.
If they were typing randomly odds are one of them should have produced the next Hamlet by now.
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But the email said it was an exclusive deal just for me!
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What is spam? Unsolicited emails for unknown people? Unsolicited emails from companies you once did business with? Unsolicited email from companies you still do business with? Unsolicited email from relatives? How do you measure spam if you can't even define it?
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The posters mention of being on the "far side of the bell curve" raises an interesting question - how is Spam distributed? Obviously, it's not a bell curve; a significant number of people are getting as much Spam at the submitter, and a significant number of people are getting none. If 5% of "users" (do they mean user/person or user/address?) are getting as much Spam as the submitter, and everyone else is getting next to none, than Spam is not nearly as much of a problem as this article indicates.
For example, as a person, I get a lot of spam. But almost all of it is going to my old account at the university of california (when I left I started giving the address to anybody who wanted one, for any reason.) However, the addresses I actually use get none.
The good and new comes from no quarter where it is looked for, and is always something different from what is expected.
I've got so fed up of spam over the festive season that I finally got off my butt and installed Razor as featured on /. the other day. I've always been kind of against the complete black-hole idea, so Razor was very attractive.
So far I'm quite impressed. Easy to install (a couple of lines in procmailrc) and it's picked up about 50% of the spam I've received so far - importantly it hasn't flagged any legitimate messages as spam. Of course, I reported the other 50%, so that hopefully others won't have to endure them. The nice thing about the systems is that the more people that use it, the more effective it gets. It's not perfect, but in this mean 'ole spam-filled world, it's a good place to start.
You have to figure that is the average person is receiving 2500 spam emails a year, then the spammers must be getting enough feedback to make it worthwhile. If you think about it, you don't need a high rate, or even moderate rate, of responses from mass mailings since a small percentage could cover your spamming costs. What we need to do is find the small percentage that is responding to this mail and whack them over the head, otherwise it will never end.
You should spam a bunch of people with the above message, add "Would you like to know my secret?", and see how much dough you can rake in. Now *that* would be a study. :)
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
By checking my logs for the last 24 hours, I have killed over 800 SPAMs for my 100+ users. If this is a 'typical day' in the life of my e-mail server (though I am seeing more around Christmas than ever), I am killing ~3,000 SPAMs per year per user. Not only does blocking SPAM give me a deep sense of personal satisfaction it gives me more time during my work day to do more important duties (like reading Slashdot) because I don't have users calling me to complain about the sex ads, mortgage offers and fly by night investment opportunities in their e-mail box.
I would love to see the US Congress require all e-mail marketeers to be opt-in instead of opt-out (with the Death Penalty for violators). However, I don't know if this would be effective as most of the SPAM coming in is from foreign servers (mainly Asian nations).
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
Wow, I've been reading so much spam latly, that I honestly read the headline as, "Crazy Sluts on Spam" at first!
...is about the penis enlargement spam.
I mean, how did they know to send it to me?
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Don't you mean "Microsoft Preferred Retailing Associates"?
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
It somtimes amazes me that politicians would pass up such an excellent opportunity to please the electorate at so little political cost to themselves - why not just ban spam? All of the ingredients are there:
1) Issue affects better educated citizens who are more likely to vote
2) No one likes spam. No one at all. Except for the spammers, that is
3) It's a magnet for all kinds of illegal activity
4) Unsolicited faxes are already prohibited - the technical and legal parallels are clear as day
And yet every time spam bills appear, they disappear, or are neutered, with lightning speed. Then I remember. This is America.
With the exception of what I have heard politicians refer to as "hot button" issues (abortion, gun control, school prayer), the sad reality is that almost nothing gets through congress unless someone is paying for it.
Congressionals and members of the executive are so deluged with paying customers that they seldom have time to worry about the real world. The rest of the time, rivals routinely block each others' attempts to pass any legislation as a matter of principle or habit or a continuous cycle of revenge, usually across party lines.
We're on the road to Tycho.
Based on the e-mails I get, it would seem the advertising community has me pegged as a debt-ridden pervert with a small unit, sexual dysfunction, no education, and a penchant for get rich quick schemes.
I wonder how they know that. I must be an open book.
In many cases, it's easy to trace the spam back to the ISP from which it was sent, or to the ISP that's hosting the spamvertized website.
The problem comes when the spammer's ISP is unresponsive, either because they don't give a fsck about the problem, or because they're being paid well enough by the spammer.
SPEWS presents an interesting solution to the problem. In a nutshell, networks that harbor spammers get listed, and you can configure your mail server to use that list to refuse traffic from spam-harboring network providers.
The more people that use services such as SPEWS, the more likely it is that large, unresponsive ISPs (you know who you are) who also happen to have legitimate customers will receive mail from those customers saying "Hey! Clean up your act so people stop rejecting all mail from your customers! You've got real customers to service, not just spammers, you know!" and will be forced by market necessity to take their network abuse problem seriously.
If you're a user of one of these networks, and don't like the fact that some of your mail now bounces, look at it this way. You're living in a crackhouse, and your landlord is doing nothing to solve the problem. We're tired of dealing with your neighbors' rusty needles and used condoms. If your landlord won't clean up the building because he'd rather have a crack dealer's protection money than your rent, maybe it's time you moved somewhere civilized.
With the last article about spam that ran on Slashdot. I saw someone mention spamcop. I knew of the service, but never really checked it out before.
After reading most everything on their site, I figured I'd sign up for their pay filter service. Not really to stop the spam (that is just a nice added benifit), but just for ease of reporting the spammers.
Since signing up spamcop has probally stopped around 50 spams to me a day. Still about 5 a day slip through (and perhaps 1 false positive a day). I have reported all of the spam. I think I've recieved about 8 responces total to my reports, and I keep getting spam from the same places.
I'm pretty impressed with the service. At $0.50 a megabyte it isn't too expencive (but I shouldn't have to pay to not recieve e-mail). They are planning on going to a flat rate of $3 a month (which will be good for me as they estimate I'll be paying about $7 a month at my current rate).
Anyway, check it out if you haven't before, www.spamcop.net. At least report some of the spam you get using their free service to help build a bigger data base of open relays and other bad Internet company.
* The U.S. is where the money is or * The U.S. is where the stupid people are
.org address .org domain .br addresses at a major ISP domain .br address at my work
.org address -> 3% .org domain -> 50% .br addresses at a major ISP domain -> 90% .br address at my work -> 3%
.org domain is the most widely known of them. My address e-mail is the second best. My addresses from the ISP
are the least known, and are the ones that received (percentage) the most spam.
Well, this is kind of interesting.
You see, I have, basically, 4 e-mail domains I use.
- 1
- 1
- 3
- 1
Even though something like 80% of the e-mails I receive is at my work address, I still have the following percentage of spam:
- 1
- 1
- 3
- 1
So, as you can see from my Completly Unacurate Statistcs Study(tm), it seens to me that your domain is more relevant to the amount of spam you receive then the country of it
Just to give an additional data, my
Something like 15 spams reach my e-mail boxes every day, which amounts for something like 5475 spams/year. Considering that my evasive measures and filters get something like 80% of all the spam directed to me, we can consider that I have around 30000 spams/year target at me. And I live in Brazil. So not, it's not something only Americans are subject to.
morcego
Spam sucks. Spam is a problem. Spam is a BadThing.
But don't push for SpamLaws. It is just an invitation for them to pass other stupid net-laws. Laws are regional, the internet is not. It won't work. The treatment will be worse than the disease.
Lawmakers do not understand the internet. Tell them to keep their hands off.
We are better off working out our own solutions - blackhole lists, filtering software, etc.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
1) Jail spammer in special spammer's prison.
2) Give spammer an email address.
3) Publish spammer's address on USENET, preferably in an MLM or pr0n newsgroup.
4) Mail spammer, three times a day, an email message telling him his meal is ready, which he can print out to requisition his meal.
5) Deny spammer the use of filtering tools. If the spammer starves to death because he can't find his meal tickets among the spam, that's his problem.
I mean, why should he need a filter for his mail? Every spammer I've talked to - from trailer-trash to DMA executive - says it's easy to Just Hit Delete, right? It only takes a few seconds a day!
And I'm sure there are so many interesting offers in his mailbox, if he's not interested, he can always Just Hit Delete, right?
Ah, what I wouldn't give to be a warden in such a prison.
We run small webmail in sweden. 80000 registred users. We get over 100 spam/min which we catch on the connect. 100 spam/min which we catch before it is even sended to us and the rest get through. Don't really know how many that is but it's many.
We use only the rbl lists right now. Filters take CPU/mem and our E450 2*250mhz 1gb is running at 80% now.
It's an ongoing fight to catch those spamers. It seems to be getting worse at christmas too.
Most spam are "guessing spam" where the spammers are just guessing username@ourdomain.
To report spam, the _easiest_ way is through spamcop.net. You signup (free) and they will send you an email address to forward your emails. So all you do is forward the email as an attachment which preserves all the headers. Spamcop will do the tedious work of hunging down the headers adn open relays abused and send a report to those automatically.
I have been using it for a week now, and absolutely love it. Give it a try. You'll be glad you did.
LinuxLover
Unsolicited mass emails are never going to go away 100%. It frustrates me that so much time and energy and print/webspace is given to studies and articles that don't include what I would think to be the most important indicator of spam's level of infiltration - Signal to Noise Ratio. Sure, the "average" user gets xxx Spam per day/year/minute, but on what amount of traffic? If the "average" user gets 1600 spam out of 1700 emails, that's obviously very bad, but 1600 on 170,000 emails a year is a lot better. The poster's comment about being on the wrong side of the bell curve doesn't neccesarily mean he's getting more spam than most people as a ratio of spam-to-legit-emails. I would be most interested in studies that analyze the SNR, for in doing so I think we'll see (even more clearly!!) that there is indeed a spam problem that must be dealt with through enforceable legislation and/or international agreements.
As a side note, I have taken to giving out different email addresses for every place I'm asked for one, and using a "catch-all" from my domain, for example my email address here is slashdot@theoretica.net, but it might be goatpornmailinglist@theoretica.net or vic20overclockerslist@theoretica.net for other places. That way not only can I see what spammers got my email address from where, but I can also block a given address once its been overcome with spam - you know those places where you are asked for an email address and you just *know* you are going to get spammed senseless for providing it, but you must to get a login or pwd or whatever?
I also have OE move everything that's been BCC'd to me into a spam folder, mark it as read, and review it once a week.
-- "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." (Charles Darwin)
Whack my grandmother at your peril, it's never going to end.
The ultimate fools are those who buy your logic and pour money into advertising. This works just as well for the suckers who buy "harvester" software as it does for folks who buy billboards. All it buys the purchaser is customer anoyance. The more advertised something is, the less likely I am to buy it. Unfortunatly there's a sucker born every minute who thinks "brand recongition" can be earned in some way other than solid performance, positive reviews and customer satisfaction.
Never trust someone who connives.
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
Maybe the current govt crack down is targeted at the wrong set of Internet wrong doers.
The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
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cauce
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I reconfigured our mail server a month or so ago, and, well, misconfigured it, so that it was an open mail relay on our DSL line. It took the bad guys about 2 weeks to notice; at which point we all of a sudden started getting hit with tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands of relays through our server per day.
I'm only a part-time sysadmin, so I didn't realize what was wrong for a couple of days, just noticed that the mail server was slow...during that time perhaps half-a-million messages were forwarded by my machine. Unforgivable, I know. I didn't realize the threat; and most of it happened over a weekend.
On Monday, I spent a few hours finding out what was going on, and madly tried to cancel the messages by hand from the mail queue, before I did the right thing and installed the latest version of sendmail -- which by default doesn't relay.
For the next several weeks, I've been petitioning the various spam reporting lists to take us off of their blacklists. I have to say that everybody was reasonable in this respect. It took some time to hunt them all down, but I think I have them all. If you are doing this yourself, http://relays.osirusoft.com has a great resource for checking what lists your server is blacklisted with.
The only good thing to come out of this is that during the cleanup phase, spammers continued to try to relay spam through my site, and I was able to get several of those accounts cancelled by calling up the various email abuse departments at their ISPs. (My favorite was worldcom, I called them and they answered "Abuse!" I told them that I really wanted an argument...) The biggest disappointment was @home, who required a 1-week waiting period before shutting down a really high-volume spamming operation.
I was surprised how quickly my open relay was discovered, and then how quickly that information was distributed among quite a few (at least 40) spammers. Perhaps they watch incoming spam to see where it is relayed from; and harvest those to run their own spam.
Anyway -- my apologies to the community. It won't happen again.
thad
I love Mondays. On a Monday, anything is possible.