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Mozilla 0.9.7 Released!
Chezypewf writes: "The newest release from the Mozilla Dev team is out. This milestone features basic S/MIME support, favicon support and the Document Inspector, a tool to inspect and edit the live DOM of any web document or XUL application. You can grab it here: http://www.mozilla.org/releases "
Shoot, there is still not support for MSN's "Secure Password authentication". One day, one day.
I really hate Dan Patrick.
If it's ever going to topple MSIE, they need to slow their development rate. The fact that Microsoft goes from IE4->IE5->IE6 confuses enough newbie users, going from 0.0093->0.0094->0.00103 every 2 weeks is beyond most people.
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Great browser, ridiculously fast development rate. Slow it down guys, release every
My two cents.
- Dave Brennins
http://www.davebrenninslaw.org
dave@davebrenninslaw.org
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
--Asa
Ooh Wow, another Microsoft indentured servant!
It's obvious you haven't used Mozilla recently (like, the last three releases). Fantastic standards-compliant browser with excellent USER-FRIENDLY - as opposed to ADVERTISER-FRIENDLY - customization and privacy options.
And on my system, using Mozilla's quick start option, it loads FASTER than IE.
I'd love to chat, but I'm gonna rush off to get the new release!
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
wow. now i can finally create one and avoid shtuff like /favicon.ico HTTP/1.0" 404 272
198.236.22.34 - - [21/Dec/2001:10:27:47 -0800] "GET
in my http logs, without feeling bad for catering only to windows ie users.
fav icons...man... i can't wait until we have magical talking paperclips, too!
Give it time, friend.
mozilla.org provies binaries for linux, mac (9 and X) and windows. Other builds (the dozen or so other platforms you're used to seeing at ftp.mozilla.org) are contributed by "platform champions" who take the time to make binaries so that you don't have to.
It's late in the week, christmas and the new year right around the corner. Give folks a little time (usually only a matter of days) to make those builds and send them in to mozilla.org.
Or you could do one better and make a build and contribute it to mozilla.org sooner. See Building a Mozilla distro for tips.
--Asa
For your information 1586 bugs were fixed between the 0.9.6 and the 0.9.7 releases. I actually think Mozilla has a slow development cycle. IMHO this cycle is well suited to Mozilla itself because it allows the people who want a stable build without blatent regressions to acutally be testing it for finer grained bugs. Mozilla still has a frozen period for about a week where the code to be released is branched and only outstanding issues are fixed.
> KARMA WHORE!
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Um, that's my text. I'm the co-author of the release notes and the originator of the what's new section. I would think that I'm allowed to post that here and save a bit of load on our releases page (not to mention the added convenience for
--Asa
I know, it's beena round, but I'm happy to have this feature:
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla0.9.7/#new
Mozilla has a new advanced preference panel for fine-grained JavaScript control. For instance, you can disallow pop up and pop-under windows without turning off JavaScript altogether.
I'd still like to have site-by-site preferences wihtout having to edit the prefs.js file, but, what can you do? (i know... i know... write the damn code yourself...)
--You will rephrase your request for me to go to hell. Goto statements are not acceptable programming constructs
Copy the files from your "plugins" subdirectory for Netscape to the "plugins" subdirectory for Mozilla. They will work. I've been running Quicktime (under Windows) and Flash with no problems.
Well, I did have one problem ... where I forgot to copy the Quicktime 5 plugin over the Quicktime 4 plugin, and it would crash when the page was unloaded. That was fixed by getting the plugin version to match the DLLs it was linked against. Doh!
I bet they're releasing the software during the Pacific Ocean timezone to avoid the slashdot effect, cowards).
;-)
I'm sure you said that with a wink, but in case not I'll tell you why we release software late in the evening on Fridays. It's because we bust our butts all week trying to get it wrapped up before the weekend. If we work hard and luck is with us we get it out late in the day Friday. If we run into unexpected problems then it's sometime the following week. Fortune smiled on us this milestone cycle and I think we've got something really good to offer (and on time too
--Asa
OMG! Finally! Thankyou mozilla devs for getting this in, it is the one final thing that means I can get rid of crappy ol' netscape 4.x! Those of us stuck with email that is required to be encrypted (company mail etc) and who are linux users can now leave the realm of netscape 4.x!
.9.7.1 or nightly builds.
The UI is still very incomplete. It didn't seem to want to let me sign or encrypt email (which sucks) but I could read it, view my certs, and do other basic operations, which is all I need. The encrypting of mail is of course still needed, but I'm going to guess that the ui glitches (the menu item not recognizing that I'd selected "always encrypt") are going to be resolved in
Again, great job mozilla! Thank you from this linux + s/mime user!
(and no, the boss wouldn't let us just use pgp/gpg....)
Can you guess which one stops pop-ups?
Would a usability expert know what half these prefs mean?
Good job on the prefs, Moz-team, but please, hire Jakob Nielsen before 1.0 ships.
I check the mozillazine.org and the mozilla site from time to time, and noticed today they've released another milestone just in time, for the first time! .9.4 adn .9.5 were intended to be so, in order to be used for netscape 6.x products, and the schedule itself was changed. See freeze & branch date for 0.9.4 & 0.9.5, and you'll believe me again.
If you take a look at the mozilla development roadmap, you'll believe me. Don't blame me for another exact release you see (0.9.5), 'cause
Anyway, the mozilla dev team have made a great work in a great manner, for many this could be a cool gift for the season. Thank you, and have a nice vacation everybody.
Anyway, it's not supposed to be insightful, I'm just expressing frustration.
Only two more releases before they... umm... add another digit of precision to the version number. :)
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
THE NEWS WE ALL NEED TO HEAR ABOUT MOZILLA IS THAT AOL AND/OR SUN AND/OR IBM AND/OR EARTHLINK AND/OR the EU AND/OR CHINA or ???????
Amen! I'd love to hear that news. Making Mozilla better gets us closer to hearing something like that. There are lots of ways that you can help to make Mozilla better. See getting involved page for some of them.
--Asa
*Note, im talking about windows.
Ive been using mozilla for awhile now, and Im very very impressed with how it just gets better. It renders quicker the IE6 which is impressive, and the Tab feature (people call an Opera ripoff) is great. You can install it into a directory with an older version of mozilla, it doesnt create a new secure directory. That salt directory it made was rather annoying.
Using it as a daily browser for both work and home, I do have a few problems with it. Some javascripts dont work with internal business sites. (LiveLink and Eroom which we use for documents and communications) No spell checker yet. (But im told its coming.)
And at home, I cant use my online banking with it, but everything else seems to work fine.
Newsgroups reader seems to be work in progress, the nightly builds seem to have a few bugs. But I am downloading the daily builds and it could be me.
BTW, I could swear the 0.9.7 directory was on ftp.mozilla.org for the last couple days.
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I'm too shy to express my sexual needs except over the phone to people I don't know. - Garry Shandling
Roadmap information:
http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/mozilla-1.0.html
http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html
On the Mozilla roadmap, it shows Mozilla 1.0 following the same start, freeze, release timeline as the rest of the builds. I personally feel it should be started, frozen for twice as long as usual with drivers@mozilla.org being the only ones who can approve changes, then submitted to longer-than-normal testing period.
I would also like to see better documentation, and improved features. I think this release stands for Mozilla, and it should be something Mozilla.org should be proud of. We shouldn't rush into it. I would be perfectly happy if it wasn't released until the end of summer, 2002.
What do you want to see in Mozilla 1.0? Do you agree it should follow an extended schedule compared to most milestones? What features would you like to see improved or added?
You can also talk on newsgroups like netscape.public.mozilla.general
Let's make Mozilla 1.0 fantastic!
Volunteer Mozilla developer, RPI Student.
Um, since when did IE beat Mozilla here? IE doesn't even support <link>!
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I just wanted to weigh in my thanks. I know it's reduntant and all, but I know the moz team reads the site (hi Asa!) and I just wanted to say thanks for the great browser. I use it in conjunction with Konqueror at home, and it's my browser of choice on my windows partition and at work. I've been amazed at how much it's progressed, and now my most waited for feature (javascript prefs panel) is in! Thanks you guys. I'm rooting for you!
"I may not have morals, but I have standards."
I'm on linux and I had Mozilla 0.94 installed. I at least expected the Mozilla installer to keep my bookmarks but this was unfortunatelly not true :-(
This sounds to me like a serious bug. When upgrading I don't want my bookmarks to be removed. All other settings (like subscribed newsgroups, proxy settings, mail folders, and even the history) are preserved. But not the bookmarks!
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This is the first version that I've tried with working drop lists. Until now, they had they same bug that the menus used to have: after clicking on them, they disappeared before the mouse got over the drop down part. I dunno if it was to do with my X-Mouse policy (TweakUI), but it made Mozilla extremely annoying. Thank you.
But is it ready? Mozilla is coming along nicely(I use it on some machines, not others) but it's not perfect yet. It's usable, but unfortunately it just isn't as stable/responsive as IE. If people have mozilla forced down their throats by The Powers That Be, they'll hate it if only for the reason that it's not what they're used to. I'm all for anyone who wants to adopting mozilla, but it's foolish to try and take over the world with a browser that hasn't reached a 1.0 release yet. I admit to useing Mozilla on windows for idealogical reasons, not because it's the best browser out there. (But it'd better damn well be soon)
I think that the last of the known xmouse bugs was recently fixed by dean tessman. Glad it's working for you.
--Asa
Well, if they're nearly as talented as those behind Windows XP, then you my friend are screwed!
kazaa.com has lame browser sniffing:
//redirect for people with a less than
//version 4 browser
var NS4 = (document.layers);
var IE4 = (document.all);
var ver4 = (NS4 || IE4);
if(!ver4)
location.href= "notsupported.htm";
and hotmail.com works just fine for me on mac, windows and linux mozilla 0.9.7 builds.
--Asa
And from the "unsupported" page:
meta NAME="GENERATOR" Content="Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0"
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
Honestly, I want the core frozen absolutely solid. Then declare 1.0. While I love all the features that have been put in to the UI, what really needs to happen for 1.0 in my opinion is to stabilize that API so people can start coding around the platform.
The original vision is still critical, and I want to see more projects like the fantastic pubmed. These things are going to be what really kicks mozilla in to high gear. I really believe that third party stuff like this will make mozilla worth having.
1.0 is all about stability. The browser itself is certainly stable enough to go 1.0. You can add the UI enhancements for 1.1, but make the core solid so people have the platform. Then we'll start to get the plugins that we so desperately need too.
"I may not have morals, but I have standards."
Hmmm, practically the first thing it says on that page is to give feedback and bug reports. Been there, done that, didn't work. There's a layout bug in Mozilla that was introduced after 0.9.4 and has been in every release (nightly and milestone) that I've tried since then (just verified it's still in 0.9.7).
I was a good little Mozilla user and filed a detailed bug report, including instructions on how to trigger it. After several days, I got a suggestion to try a newer build and the bug was closed. Great. Way to go. I now have sites that validate perfectly at W3's validator (so bad HTML likely ain't to blame) and render perfectly in all other browsers including older versions of Mozilla, but are broken in the newest versions. I gotta hand it to you guys, I was really starting to think I could forget about all the stupid little workarounds I have to do to deal with stupid little layout bugs. So much for that.
I have a problem with Mozilla 9.6 on Windoze, but I'm not sure it's a bug.
;-)
I visit a lot of Cyrillic sites, and the header of the window that is encoded in cyrillic is always shown as a set of question marks. Even worse, when I bookmark such a site, the letters in Bookmarks are not shown as cyrillic but as additional latin symbols (the same way as if a cyrillic page is shown in Western encoding).
Is it Mozilla or just silly me?
Tigers respect lions, elephants and hippos. Maggots respect no one. (C) S. Dovlatov
Hi there. I designed the interface for Mozillas Javascript prefs back in September, and Doron Rosenberg has spent the past couple of months implementing it.
Well, if you have any suggestions, do share them.
None of them do. Thats why there isnt a checkbox labelled do pop-ups. Blocking pop-ups in toto would be pretty useless, because it would stop a large chunk of the Web from working properly.
Think about it. <a href="http://foo.bar/" target="_new">foo</a> is a pop-up, and none of these prefs prevent that from working, because then the link would break completely nothing at all would happen when you clicked on it. <a onclick="javascript:window.open(whatever)">foo& lt;/a> is a pop-up, and none of these checkboxes prevent that from working either, for the same reason. (In both cases it would be nice if you could get the link to open in the same window rather than opening in a new window, but we dont have the back end to allow that yet.)
What one of these checkboxes does let you do is stop windows from opening by themselves based on a timer, or when you navigate to or from a page. Thats the behavior that annoys people the most, since the new window is usually of no interest to them whatsoever. And whats the label for this checkbox? (Drum roll please ) Open windows by themselves.
If you have a better idea of what to label that checkbox, Id be glad to read it theres been a lot of suggestions so far, but theyve all been either too wordy, too obscure, or (as in your case) just plain wrong.
Hah. I wrote to Jakob Nielsen a year or so ago, asking if he was interested, and he didnt bother replying. I guess whining about sucky Web sites (or sucky mobile phones) is like shooting fish in a barrel, compared to coming up with Javascript prefs your mother would understand.
-- mpt
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> The mansion. I live in a good neighborhood.
:)
Until some robber happens to cruise through your neighborhood and sees your nice house and walks in the door
As Jack Handy once said: "I can envision a world entirely at peace. And I can see us invading that world, cause they'd never expect it!"
Except for downloading attachments. This is a big one IMO since it appears to be a genuine cookie handling bug and not some quirk of hotmail.
Bug 105917. Target fix release, 0.9.9
This site Chess Line totally screws up now in the newest mozilla
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
sadly, they dont yet have a freebsd binary download, as they did for 0.9.6
Umm, so why not just pull down the latest nightly build for FreeBSD? Moz is getting them up there perty darn regular now. Heck, it's more up to date then 0.9.7! Just untar that bugger into your home directory.
It's even a faster install then a package. This is what I'm using at this very moment until the port gets completed. Wanna work 0.9.7 into Galeon's compile and all when it's ready.
The line must be drawn here. This far. No further.
Please, a dirty hack is what everyone else is using too.
The only one who isnt is opera.
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
I've been using nightly builds and home cvs builds of Mozilla on Linux for some time now. It's support for CSS and the W3C box model leads a great deal of people into believing that Mozilla has many bugs because IE5/6 renders there pages fine. They don't realise it's IE5/6 rendering it wrong because their code doesn't do what they mean it to do...
If there is one thing I'd like to see improved in the next release of IE it's CSS selector support. CSS Selectors level 3 is basically finished, Mozilla supports most level 2 selectors, and yet IE6 trails with very limited support. Yes, you can select an element that is within another element (descendant selectors) but IE6 lacks support for a huge array of other selectors such as child, sibling and selectors based on attribute value(s).
This selectors point may seem very trivial to web authors used to writing for IE because they merely give an element a class and write a new rule for it. But that bloats the HTML/XML significantly, and can give the programmer a headache, not forgetting the problems of handling inheritance propeties.
With CSS2 selectors, I can say, td[class ~= "body"] > p:first-child { font-weight: bolder; } and have the first paragraph child of a table cell who's class attribute contains a value "body" go bolder. I can't do that in IE6 as effectively.
C'mon Microsoft, you helped create the selectors standard, now let's see you implement it!
Just like JAVa is slower than C.
Try using a native interface and Mozilla suddenly is fast. Try kmeleon or galeon
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Scrollbars in Mozilla (apart from the Big One in browser windows) have a habit of dissapearing at random times. Try resizing the window/dragging a sidebar/in some other way convincing it that it needs to rerender that section, and poof! the scrollbar is back. Twil be a miricle when this bug finally gets fixed.
I want my Cowboyneal
I am a Mozilla developer, but I must give credit where credit is due. IE is a nice piece of software from a usability, appearance and stability standpoint. On the other hand, it is lacking in terms of standards compliance and number of features. I don't think its fair to attack the programmers for Microsoft because you don't like the company. They are just doing their job and following orders.
Volunteer Mozilla developer, RPI Student.
No. it's at version 0.97. Wait for 1.0. That will be ready. Will it be free of bugs? Probably not. Will those bugs be resolved more quickly than those on closed-source browsers? yes.
If you're talking ideology, why on earth are you running windows at all?
Mozilla now supports shortcut icons (a.k.a favicons) and custom page icons in bookmarks and in the personal toolbar.
...is working even as I type into 0.9.6.
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Oddly enough, Mozilla crashed and burned after I installed the 0.9.7 release (win32). It gave me an error when I first tried to launch it that "a device attached to the system is not functioning" and that there was a file missing "linked to export XPCOM.DLL."
So I installed Linux. Haha, no. I first searched the bug database and didn't find anything on either of the error messages. Uninstalled via Control Panel, which gave me another error, something about an uninstall log and the Registry. I said, screw it, and just deleted the c:\program files\mozilla.org folder. Wasn't ready to give up yet, so I went to mozilla.org and downloaded the latest nightly build.
Installed that and Mozilla has been working perfectly. It's fantastic, and my father-in-law, who was very fond of Netscape and has suffered the past year and a half with IE, absolutely loves it.
I'm not sure what the differences between the 0.9.7 release and the nightly build I downloaded are; I'm just happy I got the browser to work -- it's fantastic. If it's of any interest, when I was first downloading Mozilla, I used the 209kb net installer. It said it found CRC errors when it was verifying the files, but redownloaded them. Perhaps my problems stemmed from that... but the nightly is holding its own with IE right now (IMHO).
For me, the behavoir of the back button (or pop-up) has changed from 0.9.6 to 0.9.7. Previously, Back would take you back one frame in a website using (yuck) frames. Now it takes you back to the previous web site, totally off the one you're on. And I prefer the "back one frame" behavior.
Please tell me if I'm a doofus and there's a setting that controls this. I can't find any such thing. Or is this the "correct" behavior of the Back button? TIA.
sigfault (core dumped)
I tried looking for it in bugzilla but couldn't spot it - I suspect I'm probably searching for the wrong thing though. Maybe it's something wrong with my setup?
Apart from that, it's all coming along rather well and I use it as my main browser and mail client on my primary work machine. The only real thing left from my point of view is to trim down on the memory leakage (eg try switching between IMAP folders with the welcome page visible in the preview pane and watch Moz chew another 30-50k).
Yes, it's very annoying.
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Fortunately, I think they're finally fixing it.
See these:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112
The past few nightlies, and also 0.9.7 now kill all the text in the UI (back, forward, etc buttons) after one run. Oddly enough, running as root here is fine. Could be a number of things. *sigh*. I really wish they'd stop breaking things that once worked.
Too bad they introduced 3172 new ones, and broke 1586 things that worked before though. </not entirely sarcasm>
But I just got the 0.9.7 binary for OS X, and it kicks all ass. Finally, a Mozilla that is stable, fast, and featureful enough for daily use has been released... and I now have an outstanding (and [Ff]ree!) browser I can use on this OS.
Bye bye, IE. Bye bye, OmniWeb. Thanks, Mozilla team!
then maybe you can get rid of the commie icons
Odd..i checked there again and its not there. All I have is Cache, Proxies, Software Install and Mousewheel
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ping -f 255.255.255.255 # if only
The strangest thing I noticed about the new Mozilla for the Mac is that it seems to be using some native widgets in the UI. Bring up Preferences and what ho, those are Macintosh buttons, check boxes, and radio buttons, not the clunky Mozilla ones. But look on a form page and you'll still see the boxy Mozilla controls.
Is there a partial adoption of native widgets in progress? Bug 112980 seems to imply so but details are scanty. The bug does not even have a description, only a title and comments.
If the Mozilla team has finally caught on to the importance of respecting platform UI standards, though, hats off to them.
Tim
I thought a lot of you might find this interesting.
;)
In Windows 2000, I've checked my Hotmail account with both Mozilla and I.E. Surprisingly, Microsoft's own hotmail website works better with Mozilla than with their own IE browser!
Try it yourself when you get a bunch of messages that need to be deleted:
Check the checkboxes for the messages you want to delete. Mozilla will react instantly, while IE lags 5-10 seconds to react to the checkbox. Am I the only one who has that problem in IE at the Hotmail website?
This happens for me on a BP6 with dual 533 Celerons with 512 Megs of PC133 - Perhaps it's time to upgrade
I don't believe they are ignoring any incoming bugs but if you look at the number of bug reports they skyrocket when they make major changes. That is of course to be expected. I just see projects like Debian taking longer to release and when they do it is uber frozen to only fix security concerns and it kicks ass. I think if Mozilla did this more people would jump in to help the project. I for one can't keep up with it enought to help it. Debian on the other hand I can. I hope there is a method to there madness because I do think it an awesome piece of software just a 'jellified one'.
Take for example i386 machine instruction set. It is a disaster but a frozen one. RISC is much better but because i386 is frozen it lives. Mozilla will be the RISC of browsers forever if it won't freeze. Or at least make a 'stable' 1.0 release we all work on bug squashing in while they work towards 2.0. Maybe that is already their plan I hope so.
Really? so if you pay any attention at all to ***REALITY****, which appears to escape you, you might have noticed the following:
1. The Linux market share on the PC desktop is so small to almost unmeasurable (as related HERE on
2. That a key component to getting mindshare on new desktop users or those desktop users who are thinking about getting away from Windoze is the browser and the related email/chat/IM clients
3. That a browser needs to support ALL the MIME data types that IE does AND offer a better browsing experience than IE, Zilla is close but not their yet
4. Every new generation of MS OS provides additional "lock in" from the OS to the hardware and the apps and that means that it becomes harder with each generation to offer an alternative paradigm and get it accepted....both O2K and OXP have substantially better OS integration than they have ever had...making a steeper hill for any other product to climb
TO THE *NIX POLITICAL CORRECTNESS BIGOT(S) who wrote the above post and the asshole who modded my parent post as "Flamebait"
"Making all athoratitive statements like that leads only to flame wars and not better browsing
NO, making rational discussive statements about the REALITY of a product leads to further discussion about the product
further discussion leads to an open exchange of viewpoints
and that can lead to involved parties reassessing their approach and priorities and, if they're smart enough, making changes that lead to an even better product
The Stallmanian Political Correctness, *NIX Style you would insist on leads to the inane belief that "If you build it, they will come."
Microsoft, whom i know very, very well, loves having fools and cheerleaders on other products development teams.....
....because while everybody on some other project is reassuring each other with heartwarming "Shit, man. This thing is Da Bomb!"
MS just quietly goes out and locks in another market.
From a market share point of view, if ALL the users and readers of
MS would throw a party and have a large laugh at the people who don't seem to understand that they have just deprived MS of a whooping
I have had 3 customers of mine call me in the last month INSISTING that they had to upgrade to XP NOW!
i explained to them that XP is pretty much a simple dot upgrade to 2K and there was absolutely no reason to upgrade if they were having no problems with 2K and that, in 2 of the 3 cases, that XP doesn't have certified drivers for some of their h/w...they all DIDN'T BELIEVE that XP isn't the "greatest new OS of all time" and that their systems wouldn't work so much better with XP installed
THAT'S the mentality that Zilla, et al have to suceed against and that won't happen unless the products are way better than the competition (sa, "Innovator's Dilemma" by Clayton Christensen)
My respect and admiration goes out to all those actually working on Zilla/Opera/Netscape..i've spoken to number of them...they actually making a difference and fighting the good fight
Bigots like you just make rational and reasonable discussion either difficult or impossible
BTW, it's bad enough that you're a narrow minded anti free speech bigot, please learn how to touch type
Ten quid, she's so easy to blind. And not a word is spoken...
It *seems* that when I "view source", the browser hits the server to download another copy. I don't WANT *another* copy - I want to the see the source of what is being rendered in the browser. With many web-based apps, doing another request (especially without resending the proper POST info, etc) will give back different results.
The same behaviour was a huge problem for printing in Netscape. Rather than print what was in the browser's memory and on the screen, netscape would do a GET request on the URL. If it didn't come back with the right results - oh well! Too bad...
Why on earth can't we simply see what's in the browser's memory already? It seems this is the EASY thing to do and Netscape (and now Mozilla) are unnecessarily complicating the matter.
creation science book
In that exact order.
Freeze it for 1 month and work on bug fixes, and for a month work on just increasing its speed.
The only thing Mozilla needs is speed and stability, it has the power.
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The same thing happened to me when i upgraded from around 0.94, i lost some of my bookmarks but not all of them
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Ooh Wow, another Microsoft indentured servant!
--That would explain the several Linux boxes I use as servers both in the workplace and at my house.
It's obvious you haven't used Mozilla recently (like, the last three releases). Fantastic standards-compliant browser with excellent USER-FRIENDLY - as opposed to ADVERTISER-FRIENDLY - customization and privacy options.
--It's still slow, and sure it "looks nice" but I'd rather be able to view most of the sites on the internet than have a blue browser.
And on my system, using Mozilla's quick start option, it loads FASTER than IE.
--Well, I wish I could say the same but it seems on my Athlon XP 1800+ that when I click the "e" the brwoser window has appeared before I let go of the mouse button. Mozilla still takes a second, even with Quick start.
I'll get the new release too, but it's still inferior. I would like it to be better, I was always a Netscape fan but seriously IE has stolen the crown. The point is no longer HTML standards compatibility - it is IE compatibility and all the competitors are failing.
One "feature" that bugs the hell out of me is the automatic conversion of >'s in mail and news replies to vertical gray bars. This wreaks havoc in the Python newsgroup where some session code like
>>> spam = "asdf"
>>> 1 + 2
3
>>>
looks more like this...
||| spam = "asdf"
||| 1 + 2
3
|||
Except with really ugly gray vertical lines. This really needs to be an option to turn off. I haven't been able to find the setting in the options, however.
I pay for performance when I spend $3000Cdn on a computer. If a simple, tiny thing like a browser takes ten seconds to start, I am not getting my money's worth.
For the Macromedia Flash plugin, visit this page: ShockwaveFlash
Currently it has a link to flash_linux.tar.gz.
For RealPlayer 8 follow that link and fill out the form.
The other alternative is to look at Anon Cowards post which has a link, or borrow your mate's computer and steal his plugins. :-)
I've been using Moz for 90% of the sites I browse these days. It has some annoying rendering bugs on some sites (one of these days the barclaycard website will render correctly... it used to render like shit; with recent builds it goes into a loop reloading the page).
Netscape 4 is still useful for these sites though.
They're almost there. Took a hell of a long time, though.
The other thing to keep in mind here is the amount of time involved with creating a port. Especially one like Mozilla. Don't know about you, but on here Mozilla takes ages to compile. Far longer than even a make world procedure. In order to make the port, the maintainer has to essentially compile it twice over at least. Once to create the proper pkg-plist file, and the other for testing it out. If that wasn't enough, then you need to make sure the "make deinstall" works properly to remove all the installed files. None of this includes the time to work in any patches, or what happens when things don't work as expected the first time.
It's clever stuff, even for the very experienced folks putting out most of the ports. sobomax is the fella that normally does up Mozilla, as well as a huge chunk of the FreeBSD ports tree. Busy darn fella from the looks of things. He used to be the sole maintainer for all of the Gnome install.
Anyway, I thought I'd mention some of this here as it's common to be a little impatient with the time it takes to get a port out. I know I sure can be! Thing is, with these rather complex ports there's a lot of testing and such that needs to go into them. Let's also not forget what time of the year it is.
The line must be drawn here. This far. No further.
um... posts are supposed to be modded based on what they contain rather than on who wrote them. Your post was identical to what other people would get accused of karma whoring for. You were saving mozilla.org some load? smirk.
but, you were correct to calculate that Slashdot sycophants do mod on the basis of who is famous. That does not make it right, however, so while you win the karma race, you lose the respect of rational readers.
What company is going to announce that they are hereforth moving to a beta browser platform for all their needs?
None.
Wow.
Oh My God.
Lets just get real today, ok? Wait until 1.0 or even > 1.0 is out the door and doing well before you expect the clouds to break and jubilent drops of honey dew mozilla goodness to fall onto humanity.
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Your comments have the carefree quality of someone who has not yet been bitten by Microsoft's lousy security record or its customers==sheep attitude.
Enjoy it while you can - your day will come.
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Agreed. The core netwerk developers seem to feel that this is not a good enough reason to incur the extra memory overhead... Again, the source _is_ saved (in cache) so all that needs to happen is that it be retrieved. The API to do that is being (slowly) put in place.