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BBC Rerunning Radio Lord of the Rings

Motor writes "I'm not sure if I'm doing the BBC website a favour by mentioning this, but BBC Radio 4 is, from Saturday the 5th of January, running their excellent radio serialisation of The Lord of the Rings in thirteen, one hour weekly episodes. I'm not sure how much load the streaming system can handle though :)" Make a note of it, and save 'em. The LotR radio show is very acclaimed.

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  1. Ian Holm. by dsb3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I find it very interesting the way Ian Holm plays Frodo in the Radio adaptation, and later Bilbo in the movie.

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  2. You can get them on CD from ZBS by Pretender+R*S · · Score: 5, Informative

    ZBS and American/Canadian Radio drama company also resells the LotR CDs in the US. So you can watch it anytime you want and at $70 for 13 CDs is a pretty decent deal.

    http://216.122.251.79/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Scre en =PROD&Store_Code=ZF&Product_Code=LORD&Category_Cod e=KFCD

    They also have the Hobbit and their orignal productions of Jack Flanders and Ruby the Galatic Gumshoe.

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    1. Re:You can get them on CD from ZBS by nomadic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Amazon has it for $50.

    2. Re:You can get them on CD from ZBS by Fesh · · Score: 2

      Wow... People who have actually heard of Jack Flanders... What an odd day this is.

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  3. Ogg Vorbis streams by AirLace · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those Free Software enthusiasts of you out there who don't want to install RealPlayer, the BBC is trialling Ogg Vorbis live audio streams. The BBC Radio 4 stream can be found here.
    If you use this service, please take the time to tell them that you appreciate their support of open standards as the service is still tentative.

    1. Re:Ogg Vorbis streams by Fweeky · · Score: 3, Informative
    2. Re:Ogg Vorbis streams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Read the instructions on the page. Vorbis is supported natively by XMMS, and with plugins by Windows Media player and Winamp.

    3. Re:Ogg Vorbis streams by reaper20 · · Score: 2

      both winamp and xmms have .ogg plugins. .ogg support even back when has always been more reliable than real(anything).

    4. Re:Ogg Vorbis streams by goul · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try JOrbis, its pure java, will run from within a web browser (I've tested the BBC streams from within Mozilla) and works with proxy servers.

  4. It's good, buy it by nivelo9 · · Score: 3, Informative

    My dad just picked it up through a mail order catalog, and it's really well done.
    If you want to buy it, there are two versions on Amazon:
    this is the more expensive (US$56) "library edition" which i suspect is no different from this US$49 version.

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  5. Re:You can get them on CD from ZBS - wrong URL by Pretender+R*S · · Score: 2, Informative

    well just go to http://www.zbs.org select Childrens Favourites, CDs and it will be listed there. The URL didn't seem to work correctly.

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  6. Superior Radio Dramatisation by Gumshoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I bought the box set of the LotR radio play many years ago and
    have enjoyed it many times. One of the landmark radio
    dramatisations featuring a superb cast: Ian Holm as Frodo (who
    played Bilbo in the Jackson movie); Sir Michael Horden as
    Gandalf; John LeMesseurier as Bilbo; and Robert Stephens as
    Aragorn. It also features Peter Woodthorpe as Gollum, who
    incidentally also played that character in the animated movie.

    A matter of opinion of course, but I consider it a superior
    adaptation than the recent film. While Jackson's effort is very,
    very good, it (through necessity) betrays the book in many ways
    resulting in a superficial version of the story. The BBC
    dramatisation on the other hand, leaves the subtleties of the
    story intact, resulting in a more rounded experience. The only
    ommission of note is the absence, as usual, of Tom Bombadil.

    If you have never heard a radio play, do yourself a favour and
    have a listen to this.

    1. Re:Superior Radio Dramatisation by nagora · · Score: 2
      While Jackson's effort is very, very good, it (through necessity) betrays the book in many ways resulting in a superficial version of the story.

      With 9 hours to play with why does the movie have to betray the book as opposed to abridging it with care?

      I'm really getting tired of people saying what a great version the new movie is and then going on to say what a mess of the books it's made. What's going on (I haven't seen it yet)?

      TWW

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    2. Re:Superior Radio Dramatisation by Gumshoe · · Score: 2

      Because he wasn't in this Radio play, nor the
      live action movie, nor the animated movie.

      Poor old Tom. No one loves him :-)

    3. Re:Superior Radio Dramatisation by Gumshoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is a great movie but no movie maker can possibly examine every
      nuance of the book. It hasn't "made a mess" of it, and betray is
      perhaps too harsh a word, but watching the movie and reading the
      book are two different experiences. Listening to the radio play
      offers another.

      If you can imagine the book as a three-dimensional object, the
      film takes a two-dimensional view of the story, the radio play a
      different two-dimensional view. However, IMO, the latter's
      interpretation captures the more important elements of the book.
      In other words, the experience offered by the written word is
      more similar to that of the radio play than of the film.

      This isn't meant as a critique of either work.

    4. Re:Superior Radio Dramatisation by plunge · · Score: 2

      Of course, a lot of other character, some far more interesting (in my opinion) that usually get cut as well: Gildor for one. The Wildmen. The two nasty orcs that Frodo and Sam eavesdrop on in Mordor. Fatty Bolger. And Bill Ferny getting clocked by an apple (though in the movie, Pippin gets clocked by one...) Bombadill is a fun diversion, but the Barrowights are far more important to the story arc and overall history, and they're always missing as well. Which means that no adaption can really make sense of Merry's deed towards the end of the book. We never find out where he gets his sword, or why its so powerful.

    5. Re:Superior Radio Dramatisation by Restil · · Score: 2

      Tom Bombadil is the only character in the story that can be safely removed entirely without affecting the rest of the story. Two events which happen during the time we spend with Tom: Frodo tries the ring for the first time, and we encounter the barrow wights, where frodo is once again tempted AND the four hobbits obtain their swords. However, these are plot elements that can safely be removed without upsetting the story.

      The best part of the radio plays is they include a great many of the songs that are included in the books, along with characters expressing some real heartfelt emotions.

      -Restil

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    6. Re:Superior Radio Dramatisation by TopShelf · · Score: 2
      Let's have some perspective - points 1-8 are so minor, that if those are main complaints of a book-to-movie translation, then I think Peter Jackson has triumphed mightily. I mean come on, you're pissed that they omitted Glorfindel?

      That said, I agree that the council of Elrond could have been handled a little better. Explaining Boromir's vision would have both established him better as a character (his name isn't even mentioned until they're well out of Rivendell) as well has helped develop Aragorn's storyline.

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    7. Re:Superior Radio Dramatisation by nagora · · Score: 2
      I don't think point 2 is minor at all. After Frodo's various failures in front of the others (mainly the debacle at Bree and then putting the ring on at Weathertop) the ford is the first time he shows why Gandalf placed so much faith in him. Alone against the Nazgul, including the Witch-King, he defies them. This is a spectacularly important moment of character development/establishment not just for the reader but for the other characters (esp. Aragon) and I would suggest that putting in an extra character to "rescue" him is a sign of someone who has little interest in the structure of the book.

      The structure of LotR is very strong, even the language develops from the start to the end and all the Hobbits' characters change quite radically, and we do all like character development, don't we?

      TWW

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  7. If you get the CD's be sure to get the BBC version by Kevinv · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's also a set of CD's from an American dramatization that isn't nearly as good.

    The BBC version is awesome.

    Kevin

  8. Beware! by John+Harrison · · Score: 4, Funny
    I borrowed the 13-disc set from a friend. I ripped it to mp3 so I could listen to it without having to swap discs.

    So I sat down to work one day and fired up the mp3 player. Two hours later I realized that I had done NO WORK! I had simply sat there basking in the glory of this production.

    I usually listen to music when I work at home and don't find that distracting at all.

    Unfortunately I also found this Lord of the Rings things completely addicting. I found myself looking for excuses to listen to it. Luckily it is only 13 hours long.

    I think that I should have saved this for commuting and caused some accidents.

  9. Closest to the books I've found.. by Restil · · Score: 5, Informative

    Between the two LOTR Movies and this radio adaption, the radio plays by far stick to the story line, almost to the letter. Obviously they have to abridge it somewhat, but the most important parts of the story are maintained in excellent detail.

    While not disappointed with the new movie, I was somewhat dismayed by their attempt to rush more important aspects of the story and drag out those parts that play little role. LOTR is, more than anything, about the growth of the characters. How these small, fat, lazy hobbits go on an adventure and when they return they run the evil out of their homeland. How a dirty rugged old ranger ends up becoming king, and how a dwarf and an elf, both with much inbred conflict with each other, manage to become lifelong friends.

    The cave troll did not take 3 minutes to dispatch in the book. It was an orc chieftan who skewered frodo, not a troll. Frantically, the party ran from that room, carrying Frodo (whom they believed to be dead) with them. Gandalf attempts to seal the door with a spell, only the Balrog fights him back with magic and almost destroys him. All this was missed. Instead they have to spend precious time on the character development of Arwen, who doesn't get more than 5 minutes in the books anyways.

    And at the end, we don't have the troublesome Aragorn. In the books, he was distraught because he didn't know what path to follow, and then everybody gets separated, Boromir dies, all the hobbits disappear, and the fate of frodo and sam is unknown. Aragorn is forced to make a decision on who they follow and choose to pursue Merry and Pippin.

    Galadriel warned against betrayal in the party. Yet there was no such warning. Oh, the book hinted about Boromir's desire for the ring, but up until the very minute he tried to steal it, Frodo only thought that Boromir wanted them to keep it safe at Minas Tirith, and not to walk it into the enemy's hand. However, the rest of the party did not desire it so, and none of the rest of them were a risk. This is shown most prominantly in the "Samwise the Strong" segue in the third novel when Sam is tempted by the power of the ring while he holds it for a while, and yet manages to overcome it with barely any thought on the matter.

    But anyways.. No need to overanalyze this. The radio plays are GOOD. Listen to them if you can.

    -Restil

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  10. Joesph Campbell by HiyaPower · · Score: 2

    I would also reccomend to anyone that they take a listen to the Moyers/Campbell series or read Campbell's book "Hero with a Thousand Faces". The Trilogy is one of the finest of the "quest" gendre that has been produced. It is interesting to disect it in the light of Campbell's exposition of the mythology of the quest. Everything is there: The quest, the companions, the wise old man, the great evil, etc. Aside from being just plain good reading, the Trilogy says many things about who we are and where we want to go in this creation.

    1. Re:Joesph Campbell by MrResistor · · Score: 2
      It neatly explains all of Star Wars, which was specifically created as a modern realisation of Campbell's analysis, according to Lucas.

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  11. Radio by Aztech · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you want to listen over the net make sure you listen to the Ogg stream because it's higher quality than their Real streams, and Linux friendly.

    As a nice Christmas gesture the BBC cut the bitrates down across the board on their terrestrial Digital Radio (DAB) service a couple of days ago, LoTR's will be on Radio 4 which is often found at 80kbps Mono MP2 now, instead of 192kbps stereo, the FM signal is now of superior quality.

    A note to all those people who are interested in buying a DAB tuner (all 3 of you!), don't bother, unless they resurrect the bitrates you might as well just get a decent FM tuner, the quality will be better. Another decent technology ruined.

    1. Re:Radio by DSTA · · Score: 2, Informative

      Perhaps interesting for folks in Europe: Radio 4 is also available via Astra satellite, details here.

  12. a little shocked by plunge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was a little shocked as to how the movie decided to spoil just about every element of uncertainty with a character simply outright SAYING something that was supposed to be discovered later on. The radio shows were far more adriot at keeping things suspenseful.

    Spoilers!!!!!

    -Gandalf simply TELLS Frodo that Biblo has gone to live with the elves: in the books this is a wonderful surprise to Frodo.
    -Gandalf learns of the Palantir early, for no reason, instead of discovering it at the end of The Two Towers
    -Galadriel simply tells (or pretty darn strongly implies) to everyone that Boromir will try to take the Ring
    -As mentioned, Aragorn feels no confusion as to what to do about Frodo.

    I felt that most of this simply drained excitement and mystery out of the plot for no puropse (in most cases WASTING time instead saving it, by requiring more exposition). Maybe they had some reason, but I can't see it yet. I also thought that for a movie short on time, spending whole minutes in slow-mo reaction shots was a bit silly (Frodo getting stabbed by the troll for like five minutes, Sam drowing in slow motion) as well as deadening the pace at crucial moments. Despite Peter Jackson being totally non-Hollywood, it was SOOOO Hollywood.

    The radio plays, of course, had no such temptation to cliche, which is interesting: are there really as many major radio-show cliches as there are movie cliches?

    1. Re:a little shocked by overunderunderdone · · Score: 2

      ...spending whole minutes in slow-mo reaction shots was a bit silly.

      I saw one review that said "I wish there were fewer scenes of Frodo staring into the camera like Jodie Foster in Nell (or Contact, or a half-dozen other movies where Foster seems to think that intense, wide-eyed staring is what the academy is looking for)"

      The thing that bothered me (and might be related to your complaint about long slow-mo reactions) was what I thought was an over-use of awe inspiring special effects - Not where it was appropriate like the battle scenes in Moria but in segues. Especially all that zooming about up and down the tower of orthanc and into the fantastical (and a little fake & hokey looking) caves and crevices beneath it. By over doing it by so much in such inconsequential scenes Jackson had no way other than just making it longer to make an impact during the really pivotal scenes. I wish he had used a lighter hand which would have not only improved the scenes affected by making them appropriately more subtle but also would have improved the scenes with all the FX that would be improved and given more impact by the contrast.

      But that is really my only complaint and it is mere nitpicking. Many of the things that bothered other people didn't bother me at all. It is a movie after all which is a very different storytelling media and many of the changes were necessary and good for the story in movie form. I don't mind dropping Tom Bombadil or Arwen replacing Glorfindel and moving the love story between Arwen and Aragorn out of the Appendix at the back of ROTK and into the main storyline.

    2. Re:a little shocked by plunge · · Score: 2

      Plenty of other scenes established Boromir's wavering, especially the ring in the snow. It wasn't something that needed to be revealed anyway: foreshadowing would have been fine: why simply tell the audience what's going to happen when they're going to find out anyway?

  13. Save them?! by abe+ferlman · · Score: 2

    Are you seriously suggesting we just tape the radio broadcast? How will the artists be compensated? How will we prevent further unauthorized copying? At least the RIAA will get a cut of the blank tapes, but this is most irresponsible.

    Don't tape the radio. You don't own anything you hear.

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  14. ISBN 0-553-47228-3 by Mike_L · · Score: 2, Informative

    A few years ago my parents bought this audio series for me on cassette. It is excellent. I've listened to it a few times and it kept me awake on the long drive home for the holidays. I must say that this radio-series is a lot truer to Tolkien's books than the new movie. Also all voices have authentic British accents. =)

    Amazon has it for $41.96
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553472283/ qid%3D/103-3685064-5132664

    -Mike_L

  15. Christmas Gift by GweeDo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I got this Radio Show set (13 CD's) for Christmas and must say it is very well done. If you can listen to it, I highly recommend it. It is interesting to see how it differeces from the movie at moments which differs from the book at times. Over all it is a very well done presentation and great for long road trips :)

  16. PAY your licence fee ? by johnjones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    did you go to a U.K. post office and pay for this ?

    alot of the people here did not why should we the british have to put up with the U.S. using the bandwidth that 'I' payed for !

    oh and if a record company see's the bbc broadcasting their music for free so that people dont buy their music from the shops they just wont let the BBC play it

    regards

    john jones

  17. Psst... by Catbeller · · Score: 2

    Don't mention the Gnutella sources of the mp3's either...