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IBM 1GB Microdrive Review

A reader writes "MP3 Newswire has run a very good review on the 1GB version of IBM's Microdrive. One major improvement the higher-capacity Microdrive has over the older 340MB drive is that it consumes less power (the older drives sucked up the juice). The article covers the normal ins and outs of the product, but also touches on the future. Because flash cards and other competing storage media this small havent reached the 1GB plateau (yet) these drives are good enough to steal a large slice of the MP3 player/PDA/Digital Camera pie by simply slashing prices to allow, say, a tiny 1GB MP3 portable for under $250. "

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  1. Re:Hrm... by joebp · · Score: 3, Informative

    Indeed, here's a IBM press release dated June 20, 2000.

  2. Portable Movie Player potential? by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hmmm. With 1GB storage getting so cheap, I wonder if we'll see non DVD portable viseo players coming soon. Why not? VCD movies are supported by DVD players, and it wouldn't be expensive to add a hard drive to store other mpeg/avi movies.

    I'd buy one.

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    1. Re:Portable Movie Player potential? by ActMatrix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Certainly possible, and as I recall Slashdot ran a story on Archos releasing a product much like this...with a smallish LCD screen built into the unit for viewing MPEGs. The big problem is battery life since the displays end up sucking power - also, unlike an MP3 player it would be hard to buffer video files to solid-state memory enough to reduce drive access due to the high bitrates.

  3. Of RPMs and Throughput by ergo98 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is there such an emphasis placed on RPMs? i.e. 7200 versus 5400 versus 3600, etc: RPM is used as the metric regarding the performance of a hard drive. Yet, correct me if I'm wrong (as if I need to even say that :-]), is it not true that one RPM on one drive can represent a vastly different amount of data than one RPM on a different drive?

  4. $250 for 1GB isn't cheap by Dragon218 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Thinkgeek has a nice MP3 player for only $330. That player stores 20 Gigs worth of MP3s. Strange that there would be hype about a $250 1gig drive.

    Maybe they got it wrong and forgot a decimal point. That must be it! These HDs are just like RAM. $2.50 for 1 gig. It's funny, RAM is cheaper than these dirves.

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  5. They work well but are pretty fragile by Phil+Wherry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've got two of these beasts (as well as one of the older 340M versions) for digital camera use.

    In general, they work pretty well. They're a little bit slower than flash memory, and they use more power--but those are really about the only practical differences under normal circumstances.

    You can hear the disk spinning (and the head actuator operating) if you listen carefully, but it's by no means loud.

    They do demand careful treatment, though. A friend of mine dropped his Microdrive from about waist height onto carpet, and it never worked again.

    1. Re:They work well but are pretty fragile by stripes · · Score: 5, Interesting
      They do demand careful treatment, though. A friend of mine dropped his Microdrive from about waist height onto carpet, and it never worked again.

      On the other hand Bill Biggart (the only PJ to be killed wile covering the towers collapse) had one in his digital camera. It survived, he didn't, nor did the film in either of his film cameras (the backs burst open). So while his ~30 rolls of film taken earlier were good his last surviving pictures were on the 1G microdrive.

      There is a picture of the remains of his camera (on a stark white background) on the cover of the current American Photo magazine. It includes some pretty stunning interviews of a half dozen or so pros that were covering the event.

      It is pretty amazing to read how they were "operating on automatic", and "could barely see the viewfinder through the tears", and look at the same time at the amazingly well framed photos (like James Nachtwey's shot for Time with the building coming down in the background framed against the top of a church and it's cross on page 20).

      A geek should own it just for the machine beat to death on the cover.

      A photo geek should own it for the interviews and pictures.

      Everyone who reads news papers should own it to see how the people that get their pictures risk their lives sometimes for them.

      I can't find the Am Photo cover online, but doing a google search for "Bill Biggart American Photo" does turn up a whole bunch of relevant articles (including a surprisingly good MSNBC one).

    2. Re:They work well but are pretty fragile by stripes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ah, found it, as an added bonus if you read the rest of the thread you get to see me be beaten up for not knowing the difference between a PCB in the camera and one in the lens.

  6. MP3 player -- IPOD is smaller!! by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Informative

    good enough to steal a large slice of the MP3 player/PDA/Digital Camera pie by simply slashing prices to allow, say, a tiny 1GB MP3 portable for under $250

    You did see the headline off of ibm's microdrive site, didn't you? The MP3 player they show has 3 versions:
    player + 340 MB Microdrive sells for $299
    player + 512 MB Microdrive sells for $349
    player + 1000 MB Microdrive sells for $399, the same price as the Apple ipod with a 5000 MB drive.
    Still aways away from $250, but getting close.

    The biggest surprise is the formfactor of this player. This thing based on the microdrive is BIGGER than the ipod, which is based on a pcmcia-sized form factor 5GB drive! What's the point of a small drive if you stick it in a big case?

    edigital: 4.3" x 2.5" x 0.87", 4.9 ounces
    ipod: 4.02" x 2.43" x 0.78", 6.5 ounces

    The ipod is about an ounce and a half heavier, but holds 5x the data, and has firewire instead of USB. The edigital features voice recognition, but also wastes space with the traditional screen and buttons. Battery life is comparable - 10 hours for the ipod, 12 for the edigital.

    1. Re:MP3 player -- IPOD is smaller!! by psychosis · · Score: 3, Informative

      The NexII seems to be what you are looking for. http://www.frontierlabs.com. $100 with no storage, and takes any CF or microdrive. super kickass - mine's on order.

  7. What, no 1G Flash? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Because flash cards and other competing storage media this small havent reached the 1GB plateau (yet)

    I beg to differ and again. I've posted these before, and Pendrive even has Linux drivers, just FYI.

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  8. Re:Hmm... by motherhead · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the HP Journada 568 i just picked specifically mentions that the CF slot was designed with IBM microdrives in mind. My Olympus E-10 camera as well. sooo... ya.

  9. 1GB MicroDrive alternative exists by martyb · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because flash cards and other competing storage media this small havent reached the 1GB plateau (yet...)


    I stumbled upon an article yesterday which announced a 1GB Flash Memory CF card, but can't find it now. But, a quick
    search on google offered me SanDisk announce 1 GB CF Type I that was dated November 5, 2001 and predicted retail availability in Q1 2002 at under $800. Granted, that's a higher price than the IBM MicroDrive, but it also has a much lower power consumption, so battery life would be greatly improved. In addition, the SanDisk offering has no moving parts, so it also has greater shock resistance.

  10. Re:Hrm... by stripes · · Score: 3, Informative
    Indeed, here's a IBM press release [ibm.com] dated June 20, 2000.

    Yeah, on the other hand I remember them being really costly when they came out, like about $1000. Now they are about $300, or free with the right camera. Well the right $2200 camera at least :-)

    Predictable, but still important.

    However I still haven't seen the promised type I 500M clones. Ah well.

  11. I've got one.... by tigris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    and it's mighty fine. Pop it into my Casio QV-4000 and get over a 1000 shots {:-D} at 1600x1200 with the "Fine" setting on. Then I can immediately eject the card and pop it into my iPAQ using the packaged PC Card adapter and hand the shots around for other people to enjoy.

    Power consumption doesn't seem so bad - a little more than the normal CF cards.

    Amazingly I dropped my iPAQ with the Microdrive inserted about 4 feet onto a hard floor - the PC card adapter with the drive inside ejected and skidded across the floor. I nearly died but everything is still working fine (knock on wood).

    Prices are pretty good if you use pricegrabber or other similar things - picked mine up for less than US $300 at buy.com (long may it live).

    A definite recommend if you need a lot of capacity in a small package and don't normally travel with a laptop

    Tig

    1. Re:I've got one.... by sporty · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just a bit of logic to add to your ipod story, mind you, it parks the heads when not in use. The iPod has a cache to support 20 minutes of music (at 128kbps I believe).

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  12. Small expensive things are always bad (Re:Humm...) by Tsar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Small expensive things are always bad.

    That's exactly how I explained it to my fiancé—she didn't buy it either.

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  13. Alternatives by sarcast · · Score: 3, Informative
    Since most of these drives come with a PCMCIA interface, I decided to check them out a while ago for my new Compaq iPAQ 3835.

    They list several that are compatible with the iPAQ on their website.

    Of course there is the MicroDrive Which comes in the 340MB or 1GB flavors.
    The Kingston DataPak Which holds 260MBor 2GB/5GB storage capacity.
    and the Toshiba MK2001MPL a 2GB PCMCIA HDD or the 5GB version

    Many of these are cheaper per megabyte than the MicroDrive and will give you much more storage for around the same price. They are supposed to work with any desktop Windows OS (98/ME/2K/XP) and Compaq says they will work with the iPAQ as well.

    I bought the Toshiba 5GB and hooked it up to my iPAQ so I could play DivX movies with the Pocket DivX Player from ProjectMayo. I also store a whole bunch of MP3s on it and can transfer the card between my computer and iPAQ for easy file transfers.

    These little hard drives are great for anyone who wants portable storage that is large capacity and is pretty easy to use.

  14. Re:Shock specifications! by darkwiz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Warning, annoying obfuscation of details of my employment due to NDA...

    As someone who may have done shock tests for a "small" company, I can tell you that is a bit misleading.

    The shock rating typically is determined by placing a drive on an apparatus that drops the drive from a height onto a platform with a controlled shock response (how much it gives, the exact spring constant to give you a certain duration of a pulse). This distance IIRC (say for 800G at 2ms pulse width), is approximately 7ft. This pulse is idealized as a sinusoid with a maximum around the target shock (in this example, 800G).

    1500G would be more, but not like firing it out of a gun at a brick. 15000m/s/s is a quick change in velocity. But a little mathematics would show that it isn't inconceivable for a quick stop from a relatively low speed.

    I'm sure someone doing some karma enterprising could find some links to companies that develop industrial packaging testing equipment.

  15. Re:Moores Law by rtaylor · · Score: 3, Funny

    s/TRANSISTERS/transistor density/

    Can't believe it. Two mistakes, one word. Talk about dense...

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  16. Never worked right by hyrdra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Keeping with IBM's tradition of success with their DeskStar line (my 75 gig just failed the other day), I have had three microdrives before finally returning it and purchasing a 320 MB CompactFlash card for $120.

    The drive never did actually fail, it only refused to do things like spin up, or would lock up when writing to it. It always seemed to not want to work when I needed it most. And this was for use with a digital camera, handheld, and laptop with CF adapter. I can't imagine using the device for lesiure.

    The thing that got me so enraged was the drive would look like it was writing to the disk, then when I would get home from shooting pics or after I copied a huge file there would be only a few random pictures or the filesystem would be corrupt -- not even salvagable.

    I'm sure it wasn't my digital camera or any of my other hardware because I tried it in several friends cameras and sure enough it was finicky beyond use. Who knows? Maybe I just got a bad lot -- but I've heard from many others, especially on the digital photography web site that while they would love to use the drive, how can they get it to be reliable? I've never had flash media complain or give me any kind of trouble.

    I'd also like to comment on battery usage. Without the MD, I would get about 6-8 hours usage from my iPAQ, however using the drive sparinkly and under normal use that figure drops to around 2-3 hours, 4 tops. Using a CF flash card, I can't even notice a difference (although there probably is one). The microdrive is clearly very demanding of power -- it also heats up *quite* nicely till you can barely hold the device (great for this time of year during the cold though).

    Don't even ask about digital cameras. Having to deal with a power-sucking CCD is enough, and when you bring the MD into the picture you have a good *two dozen* shots before the dreaded battery warning. And this is on 1800 mAH NiMH batteries. What's the point in being able to store 700 pictures on one media when you constantly have to switch batteries (assuming you have a few pre-charged sets).

    The MD is a great technical feat -- there's no doubt about that. But I would questions its everyday use outside the tradeshow and webzine review for both professionals and lesiure use. I head some of the Delkin MDs are better, but I'm still sure there are some problems. With a 2GB version on the horizon for IBM's model, the microdrive will probably get better. But that begs to ask the real question as to if CF flash media will become cheaper $/MB as the demand is higher and the market is more competitive.

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  17. A couple interesting things about Microdrives... by foxtrot · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not all digital cameras that claim to take type-II compactflash can handle microdrives. A microdrive generates more heat than does a CF card, and also sucks more power when it spins up. Caveat emptor when doing this-- my Canon G1, for example, handles a microdrive just fine (though Canon says they don't officially support it), but a friend of mine's G1 doesn't; his is a little older than mine.

    If you can do PCMCIA, you can get more space for cheaper than the Compact-flash Microdrive. Toshiba makes 5GB type II PCMCIA hard disks now. So if the idea was to turn your iPaq into an iPod, you'd be better off getting the bigger disk.

    To the people talking about 20 GB units and such: Take a look some day at the difference in size between the laptop hard disk in a 20GB mp3 player and a Microdrive, or even the iPod's 5GB PCMCIA disk. The size difference is mind boggling.Sure, it's not for all solutions, but it's pretty darned cool for the solutions it is for.

    -JDF

  18. Batteries bigger than the disk drive.... by billstewart · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sigh. It's getting to be like that old joke about the Soviet digital watch (from back when digital watches were still cool) - solid, brightly lit, but carrying around the car battery to keep it running took half the fun out of it.

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