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Hugo Award Voting Open

FortKnox writes "This is from SciFi Storm: It's time for the Hugo Award (Best in Science Fiction) nominations and voting for 2001. You can vote if you get at least a Supporting Membership in The Millennium Philcon or ConJosé (location of worldcon). I haven't read much current SciFi (still working on some Heinlein works), but some of the /. readers might be interested in putting in their opinions."

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  1. Re:Hmm by billn · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Hugo Award is for published works of fiction. Posting your piece anonymously to Slashdot doesn't count.

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  2. Best fiction I've read this year... by Komi · · Score: 2, Funny
    "3 out of 4 people prefer Microsoft's .Net over other web services!"

    komi

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    1. Re:Best fiction I've read this year... by Legion303 · · Score: 2
      Hmmm...new entry for the "MS English Dictionary":

      "People (pl. n): 1. Lobotomized mental patients ('The people used to be interesting before the operation'). 2. Monkeys of sub-average intelligence ('The people like to fling poop'). 3. MSCEs ('Those people broke my computer again')."

      -Legion

  3. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by SirSlud · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think it was the plot of famous sci-fi books that made them worth reading, but the analysis of technology on a social being (humanity). So, part of the allure of sci-fi is answering the question: "How are very powerful computers / space travel going to affect the human race?"

    I think people, in general, feel that we live, at least to some degree, in those worlds already, thanks to overzealous advertising (advertising's true purpose, btw, is to portray a fantasy world in which you wish you could live, but thats another post) so there is less interest in the answer.

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  4. My nomination... by kindbud · · Score: 5, Funny

    The book based on the Lord of the Rings movie is really good. If you haven't read it yet, you really should, there is a lot more stuff in it than the movie, and most of it is pretty exciting (except this dude called Tom Bombadil who is a real fruit, almost as annoying as Jar-Jar). Some guy named Tokin wrote it, and and I think it should be nominated, even though it's based on a movie.

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    1. Re:My nomination... by yesthatguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfortunately, in a movie marketing flop, the book was published before the movie was released. This meant that anybody could read the book, and have the entire plot of the movie before they watched it. In fact, you could take this far enough, and say you wouldn't even need to watch the movie if you had read the book. The makers of the movie should have predicted this and prevented the book from being released until after the movie was ready.

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  5. Old News by DragonMagic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, since WorldCon 2001 was in late August, and the winner of the Best Novel was "Harry Potter", and this isn't reflected on the Hugo website, I'm really getting disappointed with these awards.

    The Seiun (Japanese Hugo) and the Nebula are still better representations of SF and Fantasy works, since their voting is done a little better and less of a clique setup. I mean, how does Harry Potter win over George R. R. Martin's A Storm of Swords and Robert J. Sawyer's Calculating God?

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    1. Re:Old News by EvlG · · Score: 2

      I actually thought Harry Potter was a fantastic book.

      Sure it may not be as "serious" as other books, but lots of readers liked it, and that is all that matters right?

      In my mind, it is a lot like the people that trash the GameCube for having a lot of games with cartoony graphics that just aren't as "serious" as Halo or DOA3. Apparently they don't care if the games are a lot of fun - they are bad because they break from the tradition of serious gaming. I see a lot of scifi/fantasy readers do the same to books, and it is disappointing to me.

    2. Re:Old News by JimPooley · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but how is the Hugo a clique setup? Anyone can vote for the Hugos, all they have to do is have a membership of the Worldcon.
      Harry Potter won last year because the majority of people attending the Worldcon voted for it to win. It's as simple as that.

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  6. Re:My vote by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dang, there's a p-o'd moderator out there today...this is about the n-th funny post I've seen modded down as "offtopic." Maybe the dude needs to get laid or something...sheesh.

    Seriously, guys, lighten up!

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  7. Best Si-Fi award goes to: by ImaLamer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hack Proofing Windows 2000 Server

    It's fiction... and since it deals with computers I'm guessing it goes under Science.

    1. Re:Best Si-Fi award goes to: by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2

      uh, I could be wrong, but the link has nothing to do with Hack Proofing Win2k?

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    2. Re:Best Si-Fi award goes to: by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      oh... oops... it was supposed to be a barnes and noble link.

      I guess I posted something else useful.

  8. Douglas Adams' Salmon of Doubt due out in May by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Offtopic
    Ok, last time I plug this, it's been rejected 3 times on submission, but here it is to keep Hitchhikers posted:

    Since originally reading here and here, the possibility of Douglas' last works coming to print, I've been checking periodically. On Jan. 9th a hit came up on Amazon for Salmon of Doubt - Hitchhiking the Galaxy One Last Time. A quick check of Harmony Books seems to confirm it's due out in May, one year after the death of Douglas Noel Adams. There's at least cover artwork, as oppose to the last time, back in the mid-90's, or so, when I saw listing of this same book.

    Speculation has been that Salmon and other bits have been harvested from DNA's computer hard drive. As much as Douglas, a tough critic of his own work, may not have wanted other eyes to see work he deemed unfit to publish, it's coming. I'll probably buy the book. Perhaps a pint of bitter, with a pleasantly nutty taste and some Dire Straits will help cope with the mixed feelings.

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    1. Re:Douglas Adams' Salmon of Doubt due out in May by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Wasn't DNA unsatisfied with the progress he was making on the book? I don't really like the idea of them rushing out an incomplete book that the author abandoned.

    2. Re:Douglas Adams' Salmon of Doubt due out in May by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      As mentioned in the post and in the articles referred to in the previous slashdot articles, Adams lost enthusiasm and abandoned it. My guess is the family needs the money, after all, he left a wife and child.

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    3. Re:Douglas Adams' Salmon of Doubt due out in May by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Well unless he wasted the millions he made on something, they should be pretty well off. I get the feeling this is driven by over-enthusiastic fans who absolutely, positively must read something else by DNA, and a publisher who is willing to cater to them. It's not like DNA hasn't left us with an utterly brilliant body of work; while it would be nice to have had more stuff from him, I'd rather keep what we have instead of adding some unfinished work of less quality.

  9. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by LilDebbie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course, when one considers the time the great sci-fi novels of the past were written, there wasn't much in terms of plot then either. I'm currently reading Heinlein's _Stranger In a Strange Land_ and, aside from the mission to Mars, the majority of the book has to do with human social interaction. The greatest works of sci-fi have little to do with science and more to do with the human condition. The novels that concentrate on science and technology don't win awards.

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  10. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by Mr_Matt · · Score: 5, Funny

    *croaky voice* Aye, in my day, books were infinitely better! Plots were so strong, they not only carried the story, but water from the well, too! Characters were so real they occasionally reached out from the very pages they were bound in and poked you in the eye! These so-called 'novels' now-a-days can't hold a home-made candle to the exciting books I read in my fortunate youth! All you young whippersnappers out there should be humbled by the greatness of books you'll never get to read!!! Muahahahahahahaha!

    Sheesh. Some people. :)

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  11. Living Our Values by daeley · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd like to nominate Microsoft's Living Our Values page for short fiction.

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  12. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by The_Pey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would disagree. As an example, if you've ever read Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Mars / Green Mars / Blue Mars series, you would agree that there is a great deal of plot depth. When I read these sci-fi novels, I was captivated not by the technology, but by the characters. Each one was believable with motivations, hopes, and fears and it was their interactions in the plot that made the book, not the technology.

    I would also recommend that you read anything from Larry Niven. Niven has an almost magical way of wrapping a great story around a fascinating bit of science. (What was that quote about science being so advanced to a primitive technology that it is indistinguishable from magic?

    I look at it like this: I use the winners of Hugos and Nebulas as starting points for my book shopping list. Winners of these go on my list - I know that if they've won an award like a Hugo they are more than a scientific manual. I've been doing this for years and have yet to be disapointed.

    Just my 2 cents

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  13. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That sounds like a bit of the classic 'science fictions isn't real literature' argument. My ap English teacher in high school, a huge 2001 fan, put it to me this way: It takes a certain skill to write what you see or what is known; It takes a whole different kind of intelligence to write about that which has not yet happened or that which will never happen.
    As to plot depth, I must question how many science fiction books you've actually read. Many science fiction books press ideas and topics that more contemporary genres shy away from. Lem for example, in his book Solaris, examines the inner space we lock away while exploring the outerspace which is open to all. Of course what you get out of a science fiction book, like any other book, depends upon what you put into it. If you set to work reading and simply blow it off in your mind as spaceships and kid's shit -- well you won't notice the details which pull it together.

  14. this was posted why? by corbettw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "You can vote if you get at least a Supporting Membership in The Millennium Philcon or ConJosé (location of worldcon)."

    Presumably, if you are a member of one of these groups, you would receive notification from them that it's time to vote. So why waste the space on Slashdot alerting a bunch of people to vote on something they can't? I'll be more interested when the results of that voting has been published, but not until then.

    This is analogous to posting a link to the AMPAS website when it's time to vote on the Oscars. With the exception of CleverNickname (Slashdot's token celebrity), none of us are likely to be voting for them, either.

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    1. Re:this was posted why? by Caduceus1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anybody can get a membership - you don't need to be a member before a certain time, other than the close of voting. You don't even have to actually attend to Con...

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  15. Not to Karma Whore, but one more link by ackthpt · · Score: 2
    Here's mention from DNA's personal site.

    I wouldn't expect a Hugo for it, and it would probably be a sad irony for anyone to even nominate, for next year's awards, but stranger things happen.

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  16. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2

    I haven't laughed out loud while reading /. in quite some time...thank you!

  17. It's obvious, isn't it? by Dirtside · · Score: 5, Funny

    The award should go to Hugo Weaving for his striking portrayal of Elrond in "The Fellowship of the Ring". That, and the fact that I can't even think of any other Hugos who might deserve an award.

    Maybe Hurricane Hugo, but that was a while ago.

    *whisper whisper* What? Oh.

    Okay, then. How about a Harry Potter book? *hides*

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    1. Re:It's obvious, isn't it? by Dirtside · · Score: 2

      "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" won the Hugo Award for 2001. The post was a reference to that.

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  18. top movies are sci-fi by peter303 · · Score: 2

    If you look at the "all-time" list,
    ten of the top twenty were sci-fi. Another five
    were fantasies.

    1. Re:top movies are sci-fi by peter303 · · Score: 2

      The provide go.com link takes you the weekly top list. At the top of table is the "all-time" link. It appears to be inside a database cgi and is not directly linkable.

  19. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by abraxas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There just isn't the plot depth necessary to carry these 'novels' these days.

    Please give us some examples of what you are talking about. I've read a number of science fiction books in the last couple years that would stand up against any classic SF for character, plot, and exploration of science contributed cultural changes.

    Bear, Benford, Brin, Card, Gibson, Haldeman, Moran, Robinson, Sheffeild, Simmons, Stevenson, Vinge(both of them), Willis, and others I've forgotten have written books in the last ten years that really left me thinking after closing the cover.

    There are certainly a large number of formulas these days and many authors who live inside them crafting very readable but unimpressive works to pay the bills. You can find these staples of the genre choking every supermarket bookstand. But equally, there are authors that don't publish nearly as often but produce works that after reading, you put the book on the shelf because this one is NOT going back to the bookstore.

  20. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by el_nino · · Score: 2
    What was that quote about science being so advanced to a primitive technology that it is indistinguishable from magic?

    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
    -- Arthur C. Clarke
  21. Greg Egan by pyrrho · · Score: 2, Interesting

    slashdotters have to read Greg Egan.

    (1) he is a programmer.

    (2) he writes exciting but surreal multidimensional stories that actually explain quantum mechanical ideas (espc. "many worlds") more than they exploit/exagerate them.

    I have no idea if he has written anything recently to actually win a Hugo.

    btw, Stanislaw Lem is another must for ultra-logical or mathematical cream of the crop science fiction.

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    1. Re:Greg Egan by uebernewby · · Score: 2

      And, you're forgetting, Stanislaw Lem is also one of the funniest SciFi writers. I used to reread stories from the "Trurl" + "Klapautius" (sorry, I read them in my native language) once every two months before I was stupid enough to lend my copy to a "friend". Fighting wars by hurling babies at an enemy planet must be the coolest idea in any SciFi story ever...

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  22. Pointless. by Bilby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to actually respect the Hugo awards. I learnt better. Especially after last year - best novel: "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire." Even ignoring questions about how good it is (although I have strong opinions about that) the fact is that it simply isn't Science Fiction. And "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" as best Science Fiction movie? (Great film, though). If the Hugos mean anything, they should at least be given to work in the correct genre.

    Off course, this year at least we know what the best movie will be - LotR. So the tradition of SF awards going to non-SF films will continue in all it's glory. :) Although there doesn't seem to be a lot of competition.

    1. Re:Pointless. by ahde · · Score: 2

      they changed the rules in the early eighties because everyone read Lord of the Rings in the seventies, after which no science fiction was produced until Star Wars.

  23. (OT) Does anyone know Jeff Noon? by uebernewby · · Score: 2

    Because I don't, but I was considering buying one of his books today, choosing not to because in true Anglosaxon fashion, it refused to divulge information on what it was about (got A&R instead).

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    1. Re:(OT) Does anyone know Jeff Noon? by plokta · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, I've taken him out to dinner... Oh, the books. 'Vurt' was great, also 'Nymphomation' and 'Needle In The Groove'. I thought 'Pollen' and 'Automated Alice' sucked ('Pollen' because it wrecks the up-in-the-air ending of 'Vurt'). 'Pixel Juice' was OK.

      Try 'Vurt', just don't expect anything like any SF you've ever read before. If you like everything rational, logical and carefully explained, don't even bother. If you like weird and psychoactive, give it a try.

      Unfortunately, as far as I know, Jeff hasn't anything eligible for this year's Hugo, even though books published in the UK are now eligible for 2 years instead of one.

      Steve Davies

  24. Next Slashdot Poll by warpeightbot · · Score: 2
    should be who should get a Hugo...

    As a Worldcon 2002 member, I'm going to vote for Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter for Dramatic Presentation (you get to vote for five)...

    And hey, Taco, take the time to Googlesearch for the Suggested Nominees and get the poll right, eh? Spelling too? Or is that too much to ask...

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    1. Re:Next Slashdot Poll by Gasconne · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just for the record... The Best Dramatic Presentation Hugo isn't just for movies. Single episodes of TV shows as well as TV miniseries are also eligible. "Dune" was up for the BDP Hugo last year. I'm planning on nominating at least one episode of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" myself (probably the musical ep). And on a related note, the category may be split up after this year so movies and TV are in separate categories. There are so many qualified movies and TV shows out there these days that the amount of material seems to merit the split, IMO.

    2. Re:Next Slashdot Poll by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

      I think we will see the Dramatic Presentation Hugo split into TV and movie categories for the reason you stated.

      There has been much arguement about just what constitutes a movie and what constitutes a TV show for the new separate Hugos, but I think the arguement should be settled by the this premise: where it was shown first. A science-fiction movie first shown on TV should definitely go in the TV category, IMHO.

      Anyway, I can hazard a guess that Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring will win this year's Hugo for Best Dramatic Presentation.

    3. Re:Next Slashdot Poll by warpeightbot · · Score: 2
      He's got a point (and I knew all that, I just wanted to get the meme out there and let folks do their own research :) .... I would definitely vote for separating off TV from the rest of it, given that there's quite a bit of good stuff out there on the Small Screen, and Legend of the Rangers hopefully will be on come fall and make it into the 2003 vote... I'd hate to see that lose just because The Two Towers will be out.... :)

      On the other hand, BUFFY?!

      You think the uproar when Harry Potter won it was bad.... BUFFY? That high-camp soap opera? Good god, man, put a stake in it!

      Go ahead, mod me down, I have my asbestos underoos on, but that is not even within an order of magnitude of Harry Potter, much less Tolkein or JMS...

      Buffy?!???

  25. Hey that is WRONG by Daath · · Score: 2

    That's not sci-fi!! That is HORROR ;)

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  26. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by ahde · · Score: 2

    Every generation plays this tune, but if it wasn't true this time, the "copyright hoarders" wouldn't be fighting so hard to keep what they've got. And these days anyone can be the judge, even kids, who are spending more time in the library with dusty old book club editions than good citizens without eye patches and peg legs should.

  27. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by Legion303 · · Score: 2
    Many others have mentioned good SF authors in response to your troll, so let me throw in Stephen Baxter. Next to Niven, he's got to be my all-time favorite hard SF author.

    -Legion

  28. Best of 2001 according to others by Pikathulhu · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here are a few "Best SF of 2001" lists:

    Locus Magazine Best Novels of 2001
    Barnes and Noble Best SF of 2001
    January Magazine Best of 2001 (go down to the bottom for SF)
    Borders Best SF of 2001
    Amazon Best Science Fiction of 2001
    Amazon Best Fantasy of 2001
    Some guy's Best SF of 2001 list
    An Amazon Listmania Best SF of 2001 list

    It's a tiny sample, but it looks like these are clear favorites:

    1. The Wooden Sea, Jonathan Carroll
    2. Perdido Street Station, China Mieville
    3. American Gods, Neil Gaiman

    And all these do well, showing up on several lists and/or ranking high where they're mentioned:

    Cosmonaut Keep, Ken MacLeod
    Nekropolis, Maureen McHugh
    The Chronoliths, Robert Charles Wilson
    Thief of Time, Terry Pratchett
    Kushiel's Dart, Jacqueline Carey
    Revelation Space, Alastair Reynolds

    Personally, I haven't read enough 2001 novels to make a decent list.

    1. Re:Best of 2001 according to others by Sobrique · · Score: 2

      I've been reading Ken Macleod recently.
      Cosmonaut Keep is pretty good, but personally I prefer some of his earlier books (The Stone Canal, The Cassini division, the star fraction).
      IMHO well written, and a good read.

  29. This is bad by Animats · · Score: 2

    Nobody has suggested anything new in SF. Is it that bad? Today I left the SF section in Borders feeling disgusted. Almost everything is either fantasy or military. (And most of the military stuff is crap. Name one real war won by a single hero.)

  30. Ursula K. Le Guin by Princess+Firefly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ursula K. Le Guin's two 2001 releases, The Other Wind and Tales From Earthsea, were some of the most amazing books I've ever read.

    I've learned more from reading Ursula Le Guin than I can even express. If you haven't read this author yet you are missing out!

  31. I love Slashdot! by JimPooley · · Score: 2

    On an article which has absolutely nothing to do with computers in any way, people STILL manage to turn it into a "Microsoft sux, Linux rools"-fest.

    Christ on a bike!

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