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Hugo Award Voting Open

FortKnox writes "This is from SciFi Storm: It's time for the Hugo Award (Best in Science Fiction) nominations and voting for 2001. You can vote if you get at least a Supporting Membership in The Millennium Philcon or ConJosé (location of worldcon). I haven't read much current SciFi (still working on some Heinlein works), but some of the /. readers might be interested in putting in their opinions."

127 comments

  1. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Let's have a close look at the costs involved when running a Linux system.

    An important factor in Linux' cost is its maintenance. Linux requires a *lot* of maintenance, work doable only by the relatively few high-paid Linux administrators that put themselves - of course willingly - at a great place in the market. Linux seems to be needing maintenance continuously, to keep it from breaking down.

    Add to this the cost of loss of data. Linux' native file system, EXT2FS, is known to lose data like a firehose spouts water when the file system isn't unmounted properly. Other unix file systems are much more tolerant towards unexpected crashes. An example is the FreeBSD file system, which with soft updates enabled, performance-wise blows EXT2FS out of the water, and doesn't have the negative drawback of extreme data loss in case of a system breakdown.

    According to Linux advocates, an alternative to EXT2FS would be ReiserFS. Unfortunately, ReiserFS is still in beta stage. This means it is not intended for production use (although according to many Linux advocates this shouldn't be a problem, which makes me wonder how (little) valuable they find your data).

    The other proposed 'solution', EXT3FS, is nothing more than an ugly hack to put journaling into the file system. All the drawbacks of the ancient EXT2FS file system remain in EXT3FS, for the sake of 'forward- and backward compatibility'. This is interesting, considering that the DOS heritage in the Windows 9x/ME series was considered a very bad thing by the Linux community, even though it provided what could be called one of the best examples of compatibility, ever. When it's about Linux, compatibility constraints don't seem to be that much of a problem for Linux advocates.

    Back to Linux' cost. Factor in also the fact that crashes happen much more often on Linux than on other unices. On other unices, crashes usually are caused by external sources like power outages. Crashes in Linux are a regular thing, and nobody seems to know what causes them, internally. Linux advocates try to hide this fact by denying crashes ever happen. Instead, they have frequent "hardware problems".

    The steep learning curve compared to about any other operating system out there is a major factor in Linux' cost. The system is a mix of features from all kinds of unices, but not one of them is implemented right. A Linux user has to live with badly coded tools which have low performance, mangle data seemingly at random and are not in line with their specification. On top of that a lot of them spit out the most childish and unprofessional messages, indicating that they were created by 14-year olds with too much time, no talent and a bad attitude.

    I could go on and on and on, but the conclusion is clear. Linux is not an option for any one who seeks a professional OS with high performance, scalability, stability, adherence to standards, etc.

    1. Re:Hmm by billn · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Hugo Award is for published works of fiction. Posting your piece anonymously to Slashdot doesn't count.

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    2. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      As a troll, you're pretty low performance yourself.

    3. Re:Hmm by place4linux · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Can I ask what the heck this has to do with the article posted??

      As for you insisting that Linux is more crash prone, I beg to differ. I have a web server that has been running for 175 with basically nothing being done to it except for applying patches, checking logs, etc.

      At work, we primarily run a Windows NT network and if we don't reboot all the servers at least once a week they blue screen far too often. Now I personally don't have any other experience with 'other unices' but I think Linux is well on the way to becoming just as stable and reliable as them.

      Later....

    4. Re:Hmm by Anonymous+Pancake · · Score: 1, Funny

      ok this is probably one of the best responses to a troll post I have seen in a while.

    5. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      The steep learning curve compared to about any other operating system out there is a major factor in Linux' cost.

      Well we're all sorry that you're too big of a moron to install your little linux box... but just because the population is too stupid to run a simple OS, doesn't mean that it's bad... its the population that is pretty damn shitty

    6. Re:Hmm by wo1verin3 · · Score: 1

      Can I ask ---> YOU --- what the heck this has to do with the article posted??

    7. Re:Hmm by The+Turd+Report · · Score: -1

      Plus, this is non-fiction.

    8. Re:Hmm by The+Turd+Report · · Score: -1

      You have to reboot NT every week? You must be one piss poor bunch of admins.

    9. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      You should listen to what The Turd Report has to say, he...(wait for it)....

      really know's his shit.

    10. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      For a guy who's supposed to be full of shit, you make an awful lot of true statements.

  2. FP! by negativekarmanow+tm · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I win!

    oh no, more scifi crap

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    1. Re:FP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      You lose, sucker. And the guy who beat you wrote just a LITTLE more than you did in those 20 seconds..

    2. Re:FP! by negativekarmanow+tm · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Alas, I stand corrected.

      I'd bow to the true master first poster, if it were not an anonymous post.

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  3. My vote by Corvidae · · Score: 1, Troll

    Hugo Weaving? Oh, wait, sorry. Wrong Hugo. =(

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    1. Re:My vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      what so fyunny fucko? pls remove that sausage outta yer ass you maderfocker

    2. Re:My vote by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dang, there's a p-o'd moderator out there today...this is about the n-th funny post I've seen modded down as "offtopic." Maybe the dude needs to get laid or something...sheesh.

      Seriously, guys, lighten up!

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    3. Re:My vote by abraxas · · Score: 0

      It wasn't funny and it wasn't on topic.

      What's wrong with down moderation?

  4. Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    There just isn't the plot depth necessary to carry these 'novels' these days. (Not that there was ever a glut of it in the past, just that there's even less today.)

    Whiz-bang technobabble and flashy crypto-breaking aren't enough to hold this reader's attention.

  5. Hugo award by Reikk · · Score: -1

    Hi, Linux is crappy - it crashes all the time. Anyone who runs Linux does so to be "cool" and fit in with the slashdot crowd. This is due to the fact they have no friends, no sex, and don't bath.

    PS - JonKatz, please don't rape any more 12 year old Afghanistan boys. They've been through enough.

  6. Best fiction I've read this year... by Komi · · Score: 2, Funny
    "3 out of 4 people prefer Microsoft's .Net over other web services!"

    komi

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    1. Re:Best fiction I've read this year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      0.24% of all people prefer Linux!

    2. Re:Best fiction I've read this year... by Legion303 · · Score: 2
      Hmmm...new entry for the "MS English Dictionary":

      "People (pl. n): 1. Lobotomized mental patients ('The people used to be interesting before the operation'). 2. Monkeys of sub-average intelligence ('The people like to fling poop'). 3. MSCEs ('Those people broke my computer again')."

      -Legion

  7. How about stable Windows? by maxoutrocketmail.com · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    That seems like the best comp sci fiction out there...

    And it keeps coming out with sequels every year or two for those who are die hard fans!

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  8. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by SirSlud · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think it was the plot of famous sci-fi books that made them worth reading, but the analysis of technology on a social being (humanity). So, part of the allure of sci-fi is answering the question: "How are very powerful computers / space travel going to affect the human race?"

    I think people, in general, feel that we live, at least to some degree, in those worlds already, thanks to overzealous advertising (advertising's true purpose, btw, is to portray a fantasy world in which you wish you could live, but thats another post) so there is less interest in the answer.

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  9. My nomination... by kindbud · · Score: 5, Funny

    The book based on the Lord of the Rings movie is really good. If you haven't read it yet, you really should, there is a lot more stuff in it than the movie, and most of it is pretty exciting (except this dude called Tom Bombadil who is a real fruit, almost as annoying as Jar-Jar). Some guy named Tokin wrote it, and and I think it should be nominated, even though it's based on a movie.

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    1. Re:My nomination... by yesthatguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfortunately, in a movie marketing flop, the book was published before the movie was released. This meant that anybody could read the book, and have the entire plot of the movie before they watched it. In fact, you could take this far enough, and say you wouldn't even need to watch the movie if you had read the book. The makers of the movie should have predicted this and prevented the book from being released until after the movie was ready.

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    2. Re:My nomination... by negativekarmanow+tm · · Score: 0

      I also don't like the way he played down the character of Arwen, and added unneccessairy characters like Glorfindel

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    3. Re:My nomination... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic


      d00d!

      didn't that happen to steve jobs, too?

    4. Re:My nomination... by moonboy · · Score: 1



      WTF?!?!

      Sorry, couldn't resist. This guys actually sounds serious and he was marked up for being "Informative"? Okay....

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    5. Re:My nomination... by yesthatguy · · Score: 1

      Sorry, it may have been a lame attempt at humor, but it was an attempt nonetheless. Guess I fooled the moderator too.

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    6. Re:My nomination... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The moderator obvousily hoped that he would be metamoderated as funny.

  10. A Deepness in the sky by Verner Vinge by Tattva · · Score: 0, Troll

    Last year's winning novel can be purchased here.

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  11. I propose any O'Reilly book by ringbarer · · Score: -1

    Or maybe I'm confusing "Fiction" with "Doesn't sell very well."

    Come to think of it, when's Quicksilver coming out?

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  12. Old News by DragonMagic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, since WorldCon 2001 was in late August, and the winner of the Best Novel was "Harry Potter", and this isn't reflected on the Hugo website, I'm really getting disappointed with these awards.

    The Seiun (Japanese Hugo) and the Nebula are still better representations of SF and Fantasy works, since their voting is done a little better and less of a clique setup. I mean, how does Harry Potter win over George R. R. Martin's A Storm of Swords and Robert J. Sawyer's Calculating God?

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    1. Re:Old News by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 1

      Harry Potter is known around the world and has even had a movie done about the characters.

      Martin and Sawyer's fans are few and far between. (Though no less avid and quite a bit more thoughtful.)

      Dancin Santa

    2. Re:Old News by GileadGreene · · Score: 1
      how does Harry Potter win over George R. R. Martin's A Storm of Swords [amazon.com] and Robert J. Sawyer's Calculating God [amazon.com]?

      It wins because the Hugo is a reader-voted award, and the readers voted for Harry Potter. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions about the quality of modern SF fans.

    3. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Sawyer is a religious fanatic and A Storm Of Swords is fantasy?

    4. Re:Old News by EvlG · · Score: 2

      I actually thought Harry Potter was a fantastic book.

      Sure it may not be as "serious" as other books, but lots of readers liked it, and that is all that matters right?

      In my mind, it is a lot like the people that trash the GameCube for having a lot of games with cartoony graphics that just aren't as "serious" as Halo or DOA3. Apparently they don't care if the games are a lot of fun - they are bad because they break from the tradition of serious gaming. I see a lot of scifi/fantasy readers do the same to books, and it is disappointing to me.

    5. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      'Cause Calculating God SUCKS

    6. Re:Old News by GileadGreene · · Score: 1
      I actually thought Harry Potter was a fantastic book.

      That's nice. I thought it was an enjoyable book as far as it went. But I've read plenty of other books in the same category just as good, or better (e.g. some of the Heinlein juveniles, or the Hobbit, or The Princess Bride). I honestly don't understand why this particular series has become such a huge fad (and let's face it, a fad is pretty much what it is). But since it's a fad, it's popular by definition. Which means it wins a popularity contest like the Hugo Awards.

      Sure it may not be as "serious" as other books, but lots of readers liked it, and that is all that matters right?

      It's not about seriousness, or lack thereof. Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash" isn't exactly "serious", and yet it is a great science fiction novel all the same. But you're right, lots of readers liked Potter, and so it won. Regardless of its quality. Lots of people like N'Sync too, but I wouldn't necessarily rate them up there with the likes of Beethoven.

    7. Re:Old News by JimPooley · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but how is the Hugo a clique setup? Anyone can vote for the Hugos, all they have to do is have a membership of the Worldcon.
      Harry Potter won last year because the majority of people attending the Worldcon voted for it to win. It's as simple as that.

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    8. Re:Old News by mikeplokta · · Score: 1

      I have to say, it's amusing to see the suggestion that the Nebula awards are less cliquey than the Hugos. The Nebulas are voted on only by members of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America (SFWA), and internal SFWA politics often play a part in the process. The Hugos, by contrast, can be voted on by anyone who cares enough to stump up thirty bucks for a supporting Worldcon membership, and very few of the voters have any political connection with the candidates.

    9. Re:Old News by rsborg · · Score: 1
      Harry Potter is known around the world and has even had a movie done about the characters.
      Martin and Sawyer's fans are few and far between.

      So the Hugo is a popularity contest now? I somehow doubt that the Hugo award was designed to facilitate "market entrenchment". But I suppose the corporations who fund this have something else to say about it.
      Rampant commercialism/consumerism...

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    10. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything all boils down to a popularity contest eventually.

    11. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Harry Potter won because it was the best of the nominees. Have you read it, or are you automatically dismissing it because it's a "children's" book, or because it's popular?

      A Storm of Swords - Derivative swords and sorcery dreck. Plus it's fantasy, technically not SF at all -- an argument that was also levelled against Harry Potter. The difference is, the latter isn't derivative dreck.

      Calculating God - Not bad, but not great, either. I liked the aliens, was less crazy about the plot.

      Other nominees:

      The Great Sky Road - I have to admit, I haven't read this one, except for the sample chapter, which looked promising.

      Midnight Robber - Pretty good, but is it really science fiction, or even fantasy? The setting is vaguely so, but the story is rather down-to-earth.

  13. Best Si-Fi award goes to: by ImaLamer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hack Proofing Windows 2000 Server

    It's fiction... and since it deals with computers I'm guessing it goes under Science.

    1. Re:Best Si-Fi award goes to: by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2

      uh, I could be wrong, but the link has nothing to do with Hack Proofing Win2k?

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    2. Re:Best Si-Fi award goes to: by Y+B+MCSE · · Score: 1

      leaked e-mail>
      Be sure to stop by and cast your vote for .NET

      /leaked e-mail

    3. Re:Best Si-Fi award goes to: by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      oh... oops... it was supposed to be a barnes and noble link.

      I guess I posted something else useful.

  14. Douglas Adams' Salmon of Doubt due out in May by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Offtopic
    Ok, last time I plug this, it's been rejected 3 times on submission, but here it is to keep Hitchhikers posted:

    Since originally reading here and here, the possibility of Douglas' last works coming to print, I've been checking periodically. On Jan. 9th a hit came up on Amazon for Salmon of Doubt - Hitchhiking the Galaxy One Last Time. A quick check of Harmony Books seems to confirm it's due out in May, one year after the death of Douglas Noel Adams. There's at least cover artwork, as oppose to the last time, back in the mid-90's, or so, when I saw listing of this same book.

    Speculation has been that Salmon and other bits have been harvested from DNA's computer hard drive. As much as Douglas, a tough critic of his own work, may not have wanted other eyes to see work he deemed unfit to publish, it's coming. I'll probably buy the book. Perhaps a pint of bitter, with a pleasantly nutty taste and some Dire Straits will help cope with the mixed feelings.

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    1. Re:Douglas Adams' Salmon of Doubt due out in May by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Wasn't DNA unsatisfied with the progress he was making on the book? I don't really like the idea of them rushing out an incomplete book that the author abandoned.

    2. Re:Douglas Adams' Salmon of Doubt due out in May by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      As mentioned in the post and in the articles referred to in the previous slashdot articles, Adams lost enthusiasm and abandoned it. My guess is the family needs the money, after all, he left a wife and child.

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    3. Re:Douglas Adams' Salmon of Doubt due out in May by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Well unless he wasted the millions he made on something, they should be pretty well off. I get the feeling this is driven by over-enthusiastic fans who absolutely, positively must read something else by DNA, and a publisher who is willing to cater to them. It's not like DNA hasn't left us with an utterly brilliant body of work; while it would be nice to have had more stuff from him, I'd rather keep what we have instead of adding some unfinished work of less quality.

  15. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by LilDebbie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course, when one considers the time the great sci-fi novels of the past were written, there wasn't much in terms of plot then either. I'm currently reading Heinlein's _Stranger In a Strange Land_ and, aside from the mission to Mars, the majority of the book has to do with human social interaction. The greatest works of sci-fi have little to do with science and more to do with the human condition. The novels that concentrate on science and technology don't win awards.

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  16. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by Mr_Matt · · Score: 5, Funny

    *croaky voice* Aye, in my day, books were infinitely better! Plots were so strong, they not only carried the story, but water from the well, too! Characters were so real they occasionally reached out from the very pages they were bound in and poked you in the eye! These so-called 'novels' now-a-days can't hold a home-made candle to the exciting books I read in my fortunate youth! All you young whippersnappers out there should be humbled by the greatness of books you'll never get to read!!! Muahahahahahahaha!

    Sheesh. Some people. :)

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  17. Living Our Values by daeley · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd like to nominate Microsoft's Living Our Values page for short fiction.

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    1. Re:Living Our Values by ringbarer · · Score: -1

      How about all those endless tirades of Pro-Free-Software articles that seem to think a person working FOR NOTHING can GIVE THEIR WORK AWAY and expect to make money? That's equally fiction, and you KNOW it.

      At least Microsoft have a business plan that involves something a bit more substantial than regular Nerf battles.

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    2. Re:Living Our Values by GdoL · · Score: 1

      And why not nominate .NET for Long Fiction (or still in progress fiction)?

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  18. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by BlakeStone · · Score: 1

    No plot in SF, ever? What about Ender's Game? There was almost no technobabble in that book; the focus was squarely on the characters and their relationships.

  19. The best SCiFi Website by KingKire64 · · Score: 1

    For the CONJOSE' award(best SCIFI website) I think everyone should vote for this Site

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  20. "its the population that is pretty damn shitty" by ringbarer · · Score: -1

    It's strange that this kind of anti-social propoganda (which if left unchecked will surely lead to another Columbine) is tolerated amongst the Linux community.

    They forget one simple fact. The reason that Microsoft WON the Software War of the late 1990's is because the alternatives were so shitty.

    Think about it. Netscape was a bloated, sick bag of buggy detritus that would sooner crash your computer than let you use it to view a web page. Often wrongly. And often taking up to ten minutes to re-display a page should the user even so much as BREATHE on the window resize bars.

    And Real??? That was a pitiful joke at the expense of the end-user. Clue to the "Brave Warriors fighting the Evil Empire" - When a user downloads something to play sounds on, they DON'T expect to have their computer clogged up with acres of Cancerware spy shit that cannot be uninstalled.

    Let alone EVERY anti-MS app that automatically steals away file associations. Userware FACT: File Associations are precious things. They're one of the first things that users customize for themselves. Finding the apps that work for them and keeping them. Familiarity. Ease of use.

    Having an application come along and REPEATEDLY map everything back to itself is BAD. Microsoft applications don't do this, they always offer the choice. Of course, some of the other cancerware applications offer the choice to NOT rape file associations, but a "Do not automatically steal assocations" checkbox buried amongst multiple layers of poorly designed preference forms only serves one type of people. The marketing division.

    And after all this shitty third party inferior software is installed, what happens? OF COURSE the system is going to become unstable. And that's when they blame Microsoft.

    If you put shit in your petrol tank, do you complain to General Motors? Didn't think so.

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  21. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by The_Pey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would disagree. As an example, if you've ever read Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Mars / Green Mars / Blue Mars series, you would agree that there is a great deal of plot depth. When I read these sci-fi novels, I was captivated not by the technology, but by the characters. Each one was believable with motivations, hopes, and fears and it was their interactions in the plot that made the book, not the technology.

    I would also recommend that you read anything from Larry Niven. Niven has an almost magical way of wrapping a great story around a fascinating bit of science. (What was that quote about science being so advanced to a primitive technology that it is indistinguishable from magic?

    I look at it like this: I use the winners of Hugos and Nebulas as starting points for my book shopping list. Winners of these go on my list - I know that if they've won an award like a Hugo they are more than a scientific manual. I've been doing this for years and have yet to be disapointed.

    Just my 2 cents

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  22. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That sounds like a bit of the classic 'science fictions isn't real literature' argument. My ap English teacher in high school, a huge 2001 fan, put it to me this way: It takes a certain skill to write what you see or what is known; It takes a whole different kind of intelligence to write about that which has not yet happened or that which will never happen.
    As to plot depth, I must question how many science fiction books you've actually read. Many science fiction books press ideas and topics that more contemporary genres shy away from. Lem for example, in his book Solaris, examines the inner space we lock away while exploring the outerspace which is open to all. Of course what you get out of a science fiction book, like any other book, depends upon what you put into it. If you set to work reading and simply blow it off in your mind as spaceships and kid's shit -- well you won't notice the details which pull it together.

  23. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by Drawkcab · · Score: 1

    You're either being facetious or ignorant, and it isn't immediately obvious which. As two entire genres, there are far more Science Fiction and Fantasy novels each year than you could read in a lifetime. As in any genre, the majority of them are total crap, but many are far to well written to be dismissed so lightly. The fact that you can't find anything you like indicates that are either predisposed to dislike the genre or your tastes are changing to that point, or that you are terrible at seeking out novels you would actually enjoy. Not every science fiction story can be written off as "Whiz-bang technobabble and flashy crypto-breaking".

  24. I nominate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    JonKatz.

  25. Memo to everybody by xg0blin · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Please go to the above site and vote for .NET
    Oh, wrong poll

  26. this was posted why? by corbettw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "You can vote if you get at least a Supporting Membership in The Millennium Philcon or ConJosé (location of worldcon)."

    Presumably, if you are a member of one of these groups, you would receive notification from them that it's time to vote. So why waste the space on Slashdot alerting a bunch of people to vote on something they can't? I'll be more interested when the results of that voting has been published, but not until then.

    This is analogous to posting a link to the AMPAS website when it's time to vote on the Oscars. With the exception of CleverNickname (Slashdot's token celebrity), none of us are likely to be voting for them, either.

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    1. Re:this was posted why? by Caduceus1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anybody can get a membership - you don't need to be a member before a certain time, other than the close of voting. You don't even have to actually attend to Con...

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    2. Re:this was posted why? by Gasconne · · Score: 1

      To be precise, the deadline to join ConJose in order to nominate for the Hugos is January 31. I don't quite recall the deadline to join to vote, but IIRC, earlier Worldcons have allowed people to buy memberships at the same time they vote, so end-of-voting as the deadline is likely to be correct.

    3. Re:this was posted why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps because people still have 3 weeks during which they can buy a membership and be able to nominate things for the Hugos?

    4. Re:this was posted why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't work that way. Membership is year to year, ANYONE can join, and Hugo voting and (optionally) WorldCon attendance are the only priveleges of membership. The membership of the World Science Fiction Society and the supporting and supporting and attending membership in that year's WorldCon are one and the same.

      So, if you'd like to vote, you can join now, or indeed, anytime in the next few months.

  27. I think that.... by j0nkatz · · Score: -1

    Slashdot should win! Yeah!!!! Go Slashdot!!!!!!!

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  28. Didn't you know? by ringbarer · · Score: -1

    Selecting "Willing to Moderate" implies that the user must be "Unwilling to Procreate"

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    "Why did they cancel my favorite Sci-Fi show? I downloaded ALL the episodes!"
  29. The RIAA... by pridefinger · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...gets my vote for producing more fiction about number of dollars lost because of piracy and the homeless children of RIAA execs...all because of CD ripping.

    How is this science? you ask. What else to you call the walking, talking slugs at the RIAA???

    -Pride

  30. Not to Karma Whore, but one more link by ackthpt · · Score: 2
    Here's mention from DNA's personal site.

    I wouldn't expect a Hugo for it, and it would probably be a sad irony for anyone to even nominate, for next year's awards, but stranger things happen.

    --

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  31. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2

    I haven't laughed out loud while reading /. in quite some time...thank you!

  32. The history of the Hugo Awards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

    +MONDAY MORNING+
    Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
    +MONDAY NIGHT+
    Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

    +TUESDAY MORNING+
    Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
    +TUESDAY NIGHT+
    Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

    +WEDNESDAY MORNING+
    Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
    +WEDNESDAY NIGHT+
    Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

    +THURSDAY MORNING+
    Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
    +THURSDAY NIGHT+
    Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

    +FRIDAY MORNING+
    Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
    +FRIDAY NIGHT+
    Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

    +SATURDAY MORNING+
    Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
    +SATURDAY NIGHT+
    Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

    +SUNDAY MORNING+
    Cmdr Taco: Today is the Lord's day.
    +SUNDAY AFTERNOON+
    Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

  33. It's obvious, isn't it? by Dirtside · · Score: 5, Funny

    The award should go to Hugo Weaving for his striking portrayal of Elrond in "The Fellowship of the Ring". That, and the fact that I can't even think of any other Hugos who might deserve an award.

    Maybe Hurricane Hugo, but that was a while ago.

    *whisper whisper* What? Oh.

    Okay, then. How about a Harry Potter book? *hides*

    --
    "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
    1. Re:It's obvious, isn't it? by 11thangel · · Score: 1

      But the character's name is Harry, not Hugo.

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      I am !amused.
    2. Re:It's obvious, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson!

    3. Re:It's obvious, isn't it? by Dirtside · · Score: 2

      "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" won the Hugo Award for 2001. The post was a reference to that.

      --
      "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
    4. Re:It's obvious, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You Hobbits ... are like ... a virus!

  34. Dude, I so fucking hate you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I can't believe I clicked on that.

  35. top movies are sci-fi by peter303 · · Score: 2

    If you look at the "all-time" list,
    ten of the top twenty were sci-fi. Another five
    were fantasies.

    1. Re:top movies are sci-fi by waitdyahoo.com · · Score: 1

      Any one know the correct link to this page is?

      I would be interested in seen what people call the top 10 books.

    2. Re:top movies are sci-fi by peter303 · · Score: 2

      The provide go.com link takes you the weekly top list. At the top of table is the "all-time" link. It appears to be inside a database cgi and is not directly linkable.

  36. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by abraxas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There just isn't the plot depth necessary to carry these 'novels' these days.

    Please give us some examples of what you are talking about. I've read a number of science fiction books in the last couple years that would stand up against any classic SF for character, plot, and exploration of science contributed cultural changes.

    Bear, Benford, Brin, Card, Gibson, Haldeman, Moran, Robinson, Sheffeild, Simmons, Stevenson, Vinge(both of them), Willis, and others I've forgotten have written books in the last ten years that really left me thinking after closing the cover.

    There are certainly a large number of formulas these days and many authors who live inside them crafting very readable but unimpressive works to pay the bills. You can find these staples of the genre choking every supermarket bookstand. But equally, there are authors that don't publish nearly as often but produce works that after reading, you put the book on the shelf because this one is NOT going back to the bookstore.

  37. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before wasn't plot-based? One word : Dune. there is plenty of the whiz-bang technofun, but the characters develope and evolve, and not just a handful of main characters. (only slightly off-topic)

  38. What about... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

    You mustn't forget "Tommy and the Whiz-Bang Technobabble" and the companion novel set in the same universe "Harriet and the Flashy Crypto-Breaking". Granted, "Tommy" is a bit light in the flashy crypto-breaking department, and "Harriet" has been justly critisized for its lack of whiz-bang technobabble. Still, these flaws can be overlooked as they are overall chock full of their respective themes. These books will never win a Hugo, because of the award comittee's prejudice against the Technobabble/Crypto-breaking sub-genres. The third book, "Tommy, Harriet, and the Flashy Whiz-banging" is yet to be released but is likely to be a real breakthrough in its merging of the trashy sci-fi and trashy romance genres. Hugos take note!

    Click this link to pre-order through Amazon, and I get $0.05! :D

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  39. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by el_nino · · Score: 2
    What was that quote about science being so advanced to a primitive technology that it is indistinguishable from magic?

    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
    -- Arthur C. Clarke
  40. Greg Egan by pyrrho · · Score: 2, Interesting

    slashdotters have to read Greg Egan.

    (1) he is a programmer.

    (2) he writes exciting but surreal multidimensional stories that actually explain quantum mechanical ideas (espc. "many worlds") more than they exploit/exagerate them.

    I have no idea if he has written anything recently to actually win a Hugo.

    btw, Stanislaw Lem is another must for ultra-logical or mathematical cream of the crop science fiction.

    --

    -pyrrho

    1. Re:Greg Egan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I thoroughly agree! Greg Egan is a Western Australian Science Fiction Author whose short stories touch on very ./ relevant issues such as the real world implications of advances in and nanotech/biotech.

      I encourage you all to read Axiomatic, his anthology of short stories. His stories haunt my imagination just like the works of Brunner and JG Ballard.

      l8r

      chOpper

    2. Re:Greg Egan by uebernewby · · Score: 2

      And, you're forgetting, Stanislaw Lem is also one of the funniest SciFi writers. I used to reread stories from the "Trurl" + "Klapautius" (sorry, I read them in my native language) once every two months before I was stupid enough to lend my copy to a "friend". Fighting wars by hurling babies at an enemy planet must be the coolest idea in any SciFi story ever...

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  41. Pointless. by Bilby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to actually respect the Hugo awards. I learnt better. Especially after last year - best novel: "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire." Even ignoring questions about how good it is (although I have strong opinions about that) the fact is that it simply isn't Science Fiction. And "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" as best Science Fiction movie? (Great film, though). If the Hugos mean anything, they should at least be given to work in the correct genre.

    Off course, this year at least we know what the best movie will be - LotR. So the tradition of SF awards going to non-SF films will continue in all it's glory. :) Although there doesn't seem to be a lot of competition.

    1. Re:Pointless. by Gasconne · · Score: 1

      The Hugos are not strictly for science fiction. They are for science fiction AND fantasy works. This misconception that the Hugos are only for SF works is rampant but still wrong.

    2. Re:Pointless. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Hugos are awarded to works of Science Fiction AND FANTASY. Both Harry Potter and "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" are works of fantasy. Sounds like they're valid candidates to me.

    3. Re:Pointless. by Bilby · · Score: 1

      I'll give you that. I always presumed that, as it was the World Science Fiction Society that governed them, that they would therefore be genre specific. But, according to their consititution, they include fantasy.

      Odd that. I wonder if it was due to a historical lack of distinction between the two, or a deliberate decision to include both genres in the same award? At any rate, now I'll just have to go back to complaining about the quality of the winners, instead of their genres. :)

    4. Re:Pointless. by ahde · · Score: 2

      they changed the rules in the early eighties because everyone read Lord of the Rings in the seventies, after which no science fiction was produced until Star Wars.

  42. (OT) Does anyone know Jeff Noon? by uebernewby · · Score: 2

    Because I don't, but I was considering buying one of his books today, choosing not to because in true Anglosaxon fashion, it refused to divulge information on what it was about (got A&R instead).

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    1. Re:(OT) Does anyone know Jeff Noon? by Audent · · Score: 1

      I always go to buy his books but then get intimidated by how "intelligent" and "interesting" they seem.
      So I bought Dan Simmons instead.

      --
      I am a leaf on the wind
    2. Re:(OT) Does anyone know Jeff Noon? by plokta · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, I've taken him out to dinner... Oh, the books. 'Vurt' was great, also 'Nymphomation' and 'Needle In The Groove'. I thought 'Pollen' and 'Automated Alice' sucked ('Pollen' because it wrecks the up-in-the-air ending of 'Vurt'). 'Pixel Juice' was OK.

      Try 'Vurt', just don't expect anything like any SF you've ever read before. If you like everything rational, logical and carefully explained, don't even bother. If you like weird and psychoactive, give it a try.

      Unfortunately, as far as I know, Jeff hasn't anything eligible for this year's Hugo, even though books published in the UK are now eligible for 2 years instead of one.

      Steve Davies

  43. Dutch railways are blocking non-IE users by Pussy+Is+Money · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    This warrants the brief attention of /.; if not in a story, then in this fashion.

    The Dutch railway company is blocking non-IE users. Check it out, pass it on and submit a complaint. Thanks.

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  44. Next Slashdot Poll by warpeightbot · · Score: 2
    should be who should get a Hugo...

    As a Worldcon 2002 member, I'm going to vote for Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter for Dramatic Presentation (you get to vote for five)...

    And hey, Taco, take the time to Googlesearch for the Suggested Nominees and get the poll right, eh? Spelling too? Or is that too much to ask...

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    Shipping the Penguin in Bill's backyard...

    1. Re:Next Slashdot Poll by Gasconne · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just for the record... The Best Dramatic Presentation Hugo isn't just for movies. Single episodes of TV shows as well as TV miniseries are also eligible. "Dune" was up for the BDP Hugo last year. I'm planning on nominating at least one episode of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" myself (probably the musical ep). And on a related note, the category may be split up after this year so movies and TV are in separate categories. There are so many qualified movies and TV shows out there these days that the amount of material seems to merit the split, IMO.

    2. Re:Next Slashdot Poll by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

      I think we will see the Dramatic Presentation Hugo split into TV and movie categories for the reason you stated.

      There has been much arguement about just what constitutes a movie and what constitutes a TV show for the new separate Hugos, but I think the arguement should be settled by the this premise: where it was shown first. A science-fiction movie first shown on TV should definitely go in the TV category, IMHO.

      Anyway, I can hazard a guess that Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring will win this year's Hugo for Best Dramatic Presentation.

    3. Re:Next Slashdot Poll by warpeightbot · · Score: 2
      He's got a point (and I knew all that, I just wanted to get the meme out there and let folks do their own research :) .... I would definitely vote for separating off TV from the rest of it, given that there's quite a bit of good stuff out there on the Small Screen, and Legend of the Rangers hopefully will be on come fall and make it into the 2003 vote... I'd hate to see that lose just because The Two Towers will be out.... :)

      On the other hand, BUFFY?!

      You think the uproar when Harry Potter won it was bad.... BUFFY? That high-camp soap opera? Good god, man, put a stake in it!

      Go ahead, mod me down, I have my asbestos underoos on, but that is not even within an order of magnitude of Harry Potter, much less Tolkein or JMS...

      Buffy?!???

    4. Re:Next Slashdot Poll by YanIsa · · Score: 1

      Buffy? That high-camp soap opera?

      Aargh. Yet another wise-ass that has seen 10 minutes of Buffy combined and feels fully qualified to judge it.

      I'm not denying your right to like or dislike; I'm just telling you that you're obviously passing judgement on something you have no idea what it's about - in true /. fashion. Jerk.

      Re the Hugos - the awards used to stand for something. They've been going down the hill for some time, but when HP beat Martin's ASOS last year that was the last drop. I don't really care who gets Hugos anymore. Only Nebulas left..

      Have fun,

      Yan (proudly risking karma in defence of Buffy since 2001)

      --
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    5. Re:Next Slashdot Poll by buckeyeguy · · Score: 1
      I vote with the 'diss Buffy' camp most of the time, but when Sci-fi awards are mentioned all I can think of is the BAD sci-fi I've seen on TV in the past... the 70's 'Buck Rogers' series comes to mind; some of my friends still make fun of it, 20 years after its none-too-soon demise (the villainess in that one was pretty hot though). Twiki the robot makes the Tick's live action sidekick seem positively macho by comparison.

      Really though, Buffy is no less eye candy than Baywatch or Xena are. Nothing wrong with eye candy, just have to recognize it for what it is.

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  45. But what about Priscilla??? by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    I think that Hugo was much better at playing a drag queen on tour than playing some wimpy fairie ^h^h^h^h^h^h Elf stuck at home in the forest.
    At least his wardrobe had a bit more colour in that movie :-)

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  46. awards outdated for some purposes by Lepruhkawn · · Score: 1

    The only reason I, as a reader, have cared about the awards in the past is that it gives me some suggestions of what to read.

    However, many Sci-Fi fans like different kind of books. So, as a Sci-Fi fan with particular tastes, looking at an award list for suggested reading isn't as helpful as browsing Amazon.com or getting recommendations from my ratings there.

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  47. Hey that is WRONG by Daath · · Score: 2

    That's not sci-fi!! That is HORROR ;)

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  48. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by ahde · · Score: 2

    Every generation plays this tune, but if it wasn't true this time, the "copyright hoarders" wouldn't be fighting so hard to keep what they've got. And these days anyone can be the judge, even kids, who are spending more time in the library with dusty old book club editions than good citizens without eye patches and peg legs should.

  49. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by Legion303 · · Score: 2
    Many others have mentioned good SF authors in response to your troll, so let me throw in Stephen Baxter. Next to Niven, he's got to be my all-time favorite hard SF author.

    -Legion

  50. Re:Science fiction/Fantasy is not interesting anym by System_level · · Score: 1

    Yaa, I really miss Asimov!!

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  51. Best of 2001 according to others by Pikathulhu · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here are a few "Best SF of 2001" lists:

    Locus Magazine Best Novels of 2001
    Barnes and Noble Best SF of 2001
    January Magazine Best of 2001 (go down to the bottom for SF)
    Borders Best SF of 2001
    Amazon Best Science Fiction of 2001
    Amazon Best Fantasy of 2001
    Some guy's Best SF of 2001 list
    An Amazon Listmania Best SF of 2001 list

    It's a tiny sample, but it looks like these are clear favorites:

    1. The Wooden Sea, Jonathan Carroll
    2. Perdido Street Station, China Mieville
    3. American Gods, Neil Gaiman

    And all these do well, showing up on several lists and/or ranking high where they're mentioned:

    Cosmonaut Keep, Ken MacLeod
    Nekropolis, Maureen McHugh
    The Chronoliths, Robert Charles Wilson
    Thief of Time, Terry Pratchett
    Kushiel's Dart, Jacqueline Carey
    Revelation Space, Alastair Reynolds

    Personally, I haven't read enough 2001 novels to make a decent list.

    1. Re:Best of 2001 according to others by Sobrique · · Score: 2

      I've been reading Ken Macleod recently.
      Cosmonaut Keep is pretty good, but personally I prefer some of his earlier books (The Stone Canal, The Cassini division, the star fraction).
      IMHO well written, and a good read.

    2. Re:Best of 2001 according to others by hakkikt · · Score: 1

      I suggest you go pick up an Orson Scott Card's "Shadow of the hegemon" copy and start reading it right now.

      I devoured it in 2 days. Really cool!!!

      This is valid if you've already read the whole Ender Saga and the previous "Ender's shadow" novel.

      OSC is pure fun

    3. Re:Best of 2001 according to others by 2nd_metaman · · Score: 1

      Wow ! Thanks a lot firstly for the great links, and second, for the mentioning of "Cosmonaut Keep"
      by Ken MacLeod. I saw a review of this in early 2001 (AFAIC) and put it in my bookmarks, but these went lost. I have been searching for the name of the author and the title for a long time now, and finaly I found it!

      Besides, these few examples prove (at least for me) that SF is still one of the most progressive "stylistic devices" if I may call them so, for discussing changes in the way societies behave.

      Keep up posting good stuff like this, so that the signal/noise ratio does not drop
      too far down ;)

  52. What are the odds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What, a slashdot reader(geek) reading scifi/fantasy?
    Next thing you'll be telling me they shop at Frys and don't have dates.

  53. This is bad by Animats · · Score: 2

    Nobody has suggested anything new in SF. Is it that bad? Today I left the SF section in Borders feeling disgusted. Almost everything is either fantasy or military. (And most of the military stuff is crap. Name one real war won by a single hero.)

    1. Re:This is bad by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Hear hear. I am so sick of the incredible lack of choice you find in the sf section these days. Only place I find a decent amount of interesting sf is at used bookstores, and there you usually have to go back 20 years to find anything worthwhile.

  54. Ursula K. Le Guin by Princess+Firefly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ursula K. Le Guin's two 2001 releases, The Other Wind and Tales From Earthsea, were some of the most amazing books I've ever read.

    I've learned more from reading Ursula Le Guin than I can even express. If you haven't read this author yet you are missing out!

  55. I love Slashdot! by JimPooley · · Score: 2

    On an article which has absolutely nothing to do with computers in any way, people STILL manage to turn it into a "Microsoft sux, Linux rools"-fest.

    Christ on a bike!

    --

    "Information wants to be paid"
  56. I just had a joke with the same problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gone from 1 (standard minimum) to 0 "Overrated"

    Speak about a sense of fun (or my joke was really Terrible, I don't know)

    BtW, this one is anon.
    Burning Karma is fun, but only the first 15 points... :)

  57. Book-a-minute Greg Egan book summaries. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Every Book I've Ever Written
    by Greg Egan
    condensed by Anonymous Coward

    Enter TRAGIC HERO and SKEPTIC.

    TRAGIC HERO: "I have developed a radical new idea about the nature of reality which seems absolutely absurd at first but which really makes sense in a certain twisted way."

    SKEPTIC: "Your idea seems absolutely absurd at first!"

    TRAGIC HERO: "But?"

    SKEPTIC: "But... it really makes sense in a certain twisted way!"

    TRAGIC HERO: "My radical new idea about the nature of reality will change the world!"

    THE WORLD: "I don't get it."

    Tragic Hero GETS LAID. Tragic Hero DIES.

    The Universe either BEGINS or ENDS. Or BOTH. Or SOMETHING. I can't REMEMBER.

    THE END

    1. Re:Book-a-minute Greg Egan book summaries. by pyrrho · · Score: 1

      I don't remember the part where the hero gets laid.

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      -pyrrho