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Ukraine Tries to Avoid U.S. Trade Restrictions

GMFTatsujin writes: "In response to the threat of US trade sanctions, the Ukraine parliament hastily passed an anti-piracy bill aimed at reducing the bootlegged CD problem. I especially liked this quote from this Wired article: '"We are deeply disappointed that Ukraine has not passed an effective law and instead is rushing through an ineffective law," said Eric Schwartz, vice president and special counsel of the International Intellectual Property Alliance." This is a follow-up to our story of two weeks ago about Ukraine not complying with U.S. demands for 'an optical media licensing regime.'

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  1. Pointless by jmkaza · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This law, or any law the Ukraine makes on CD piracy, is a law on paper only. The gov't is more concerned with supplying food and utilities to their people than whether the RIAA is going to receive their profits. To place trade sanctions on a country because they're harboring terrorists or committing genocide is one thing, to deny a country supplies because they might sell the CD's they burn is absurd.

  2. so? by ekephart · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not like the US plays by the rules either. 1. 2.

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  3. Democracy's good, unless it's not ours by SetarconeX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm deeply offended at this. The U.S. government is punishing an entire nation for the actions of it's democratically elected government. It's not like there's a group of radicals forcing the Ukrainian people to pirate CD's...the decision to not follow US demands was made consciously and rationally by that country's ruling bodies.

    The U.S. just happened to decide that our laws are better than their laws....and forced them to follow ours.

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    1. Re:Democracy's good, unless it's not ours by ftobin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Forced" is a bit of a strong word for that. Force implies we've got troops there pointing guns at people. US simply made it a condition for trade. If you want to trade with the world economy, then you have to pass certain laws. Don't want those laws? Fine, be an independent economy.

      "Forced" is a bit of a strong word for that. Force implies Microsoft has got troops at computer assemblers pointing guns at people. Microsoft simply made it a condition for trade. If you want to distribute Windows on systems, you must put Windows on every box, and and you can't dual-boot with another operating system. And you must put Microsoft icons over other competitors on the desktop of users. And so on. If you want to trade with Microsoft, then you have to adapat to these rules. Don't want those agreements? Fine, be independent, and have no right to distribute Windows. If you come back begging to Microsft a year from now, they might let you back in (at double the licensing fees).

    2. Re:Democracy's good, unless it's not ours by Fjord · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the second link in the orginal article:


      There is a similar tracking requirement imposed on CD recorders (by
      the patent licenses issued by Philips). It requires that each CD
      burner record on the CD the serial number of the recorder, so that
      every burned CD-R can be traced back to which individual CD-burner
      recorded it.

      These schemes are described here:

      http://www.licensing.philips.com/information/sid/

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  4. Well of course! by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course we need to restrict the Ukraine, otherwise the Red team will be able to connect its European horde with its ten-army piece in the Ural Mountains!

  5. And still, Americans continue to ask... by kitts · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... "Why do they hate us so much?"

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    1. Re:And still, Americans continue to ask... by Sj0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only that, but then when we tell them, they'll point at some other country we hate and tell us that it's okay because they are doing it too.

      A:"Why do you hate us so much?"

      SJ:"your country routinely disregards human life in favour of petty economic interests, and tends to disregard laws, both it's own, and international laws as well."

      A:"So does China and Iraq!"

      Seriously, read just about any "Here is why we hate America" chat, and this will happen. It's happened on slashdot quite a few times in recent memory.

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  6. Does this advance US geopolitical interests? by Two+Dogs+Fucking · · Score: 4, Insightful
    All of Asia is practically floating on pirated music, video, and software. You can buy pretty much any software app ever written for barely above the price of the media.

    So does the US impose sanctions on every nation that refuses to dance to the RIAA/MPAA's tune? At what point does this become counter-productive for a country that's also currently trying to keep an anti-terror coalition together?

  7. Has anyone been there recently? by swagr · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm of Ukrainian decent, and I have friends and family that have been there recently.

    A friend had to pay off cops to avoid getting beaten up because his Canadian passport wasn't in Ukrainian. A priest I know was stopped right off the plane at customs and had to pay $500 to get through.

    The country is corrupt and falling appart. Who is going to enforce this law?

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  8. not the US - it's the RIAA by mark_lybarger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the US gov't isn't the backbone of this whole manipulation, it's the RIAA (and the international IP association). the US gov't is just doing it's usual job by taking lots of money from the lobby. someone's gotta snag those mo-fo's into some quake action and show 'um what fraggin is all about.

  9. it's going to be really hard to stop by MoceanWorker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a bunch of friends and relatives back in Russia and my father actively travels to Russia and the Ukraine for business... even 3-4 years ago when Bill Gates asked Russia to stop selling pirated copies of Windows 9x/NT.. Russia couldn't really do anything about it, except order a military tank to drive over a bunch of pirated CDs they collected, to destroy it... an interesting, yet ineffective solution

    friends and relatives in Russia still tell me that when they go to flea markets, people still sell pirated software at a ridiculously low price... this goes for audio CDs as well and even hardware...

    so in conclusion, if Russia claimed to have "stopped" people from selling pirated software, is Ukraine going to approach the same matter? just do a thing or 2 about the whole situation then tell the US... "ok we're done, now lift the sanctions please"

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  10. IFPI? by mliu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "But the London-based International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, or IFPI, which represents the international recording industry, said Ukraine had missed its "last opportunity to avoid ... U.S. trade sanctions.""

    Seems kind of strange that a London based recording industry group that I have never even heard of here in the US appears to be bandying around the threats of United States trade sanctions.

    Between them and the RIAA and MPAA it's like the freakin' Brotherhood of Evil or something........

  11. globalization by mliu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know, I've always been kinda sketched out about those anti-WTO anti-globalization protestors who tear up cities everytime a trade meeting is held. They claim that these globalizing organizations just make the poorer countries and peoples even poorer and more destitute, and all to serve the selfish interests of a few powerful Western corporations. I wasn't sure how much I believed that, I was kind of undecided about the issue, but it doesn't get much more cut and dry than this.

    We have a starving nation and people who are the poorest of the poor. And we are imposing trade sanctions (where trade sanctions are starting to seem inhumane even against the likes of Fidel Castro's and Saddam Hussein's regimes) against these people. And for what? To protect the interests of Western intellectual property companies? It's hard to imagine that these sanctions won't fail to cause at least one more starvation death among the poor masses that live in the Ukraine, and it really does seem like what the anti-globalization people have been saying all along is coming true. Apparently Western corporate profits really are more important than 3rd world lives to those who are currently in power.

  12. Western Profits are much more important than Life by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apparently Western corporate profits really are more important than 3rd world lives to those who are currently in power.

    This is exactly the ethos our government has been subscribing to, openly since the Reagan era of the 1980's and perhaps much longer than that.

    It isn't just "third world" lives, either. American profits are deemed much more important than American lives (e.g. Mansanto deliberately polluting an American town's groundwater as recently as a few short years ago, killing many people, maiming many more, and not a single board member, employee, or shareholder will ever see the inside of a jail cell).

    We made a conscious choice as a society to subscribe to a system which values wealth above everything else, and rewards greed above every other character trait. Worse, we've decided corporations are to be treated as people, with all of their rights and none of their responsibilities, exacerbating an already poor cultural choice.

    Is it really any surprise at all that the natural consiquence of such a system, based upon such a skewed ethical premise, is that Corporate Profits are considered to be vastly more important the human lives?

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  13. Re:former Soviet republic by TheBracket · · Score: 4, Informative
    As a former Soviet republic, doesn't the Ukraine have any nuclear weapons that they can use to argue away sanctions?

    No, they don't. When the Ukraine seceded from the USSR, this was the #1 question from the rest of the world - and the US in particular. Initially, the Ukrainians thought that becoming a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty would mean that they agreed not to proliferate the sizeable nuclear arsenal situated on their soil; negotiation with the US (often quite heated - one of my professors at SMSU was involved in it and liked to talk about it at length!) and Russia left Russia the sole power in charge of the former Soviet nuclear arsenal.

    That's not to say that they might have kept one or two warheads lying around, but if they have any, it is a relatively trivial number - and probably of the tactical variety, primarily intended to maintain their independence from Russia.

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  14. This sounds like the Boston Tea Party by ahde · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In 1775 another country was trying to impose its laws in the interest of an oligarchy of corporations monopolizing luxury items.

  15. Awesomely Oversimplistic by virg_mattes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > The 9/11 bombers hated us for reasons that we have no way of alterring... unless one considers it acceptable for us to give up our equal treatment of women, our freedom to NOT be religious, and yes, even our indulgences in Hollywood entertainment and other things that affluence brings.

    You've either spent too much time listening to recent rhetoric, or not enough time boning up on history. The U.S. being rich or not being a Muslim nation has very little to do with what happened on September 11th. For the most part, Osama bin Laden hates the U.S. for three reasons, in no particular order:

    1.) We're closely allied with Israel.
    2.) We've had a military presence in Saudi Arabia (his homeland and what he considers Muslim holy land) for decades.
    3.) After training and equipping him and his assistants in 1980-1983 so they could fend off the Russian invasion, we pulled out of Afghanistan, leaving the Muhajadin (sp?) (which became the Taliban) poorly equipped to fight a civil war with the other Afghan factions that lasted to the present day (they were still fighting the Northern Alliance when the attacks occurred).

    If you think that our affluence and our non-Muslimism is such a factor, you're not paying attention. It's easy to say that they hate us because they're jealous or because they're simply religious zealots, but it's wrong, and such myopia only serves to prevent us from considering how we can really change things in the world.

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  16. Force? Not necessary, coercion works fine by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft doesn't have to use guns (if it were legal and they could spin the PR, I think they might...) to ruin someone's business all they have to do is threaten to do so.