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Writing Messages In Empty Space With GPS

meiocyte writes: "This New Scientist story about leaving messages in empty space seems very cool. You upload a message (or perhaps a picture, audio clip, etc.), it gets tagged with your GPS coordinates, and then anyone else who goes there gets to see/hear it. Every GPS-resolvable parcel of empty space will have its own web site!" Combine this with user-forums, and restaurant ratings could take on a whole new dimension. Update: 01/20 23:28 GMT by T : Oops -- looks like I duped Michael. Sorry.

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  1. I don't like it... by JanneM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Great - we can get spammed on GPS as well... Just imagine someone like a soda manufacturer buying a stretch of highway for a month, for example. If you use GPS navigation in your car, you'll get incessant harping about how thirsty you are, and how that particular brand of soda apparently makes your life better in one way or another.

    /Janne

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    1. Re:I don't like it... by H310iSe · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Why be so negative, I've been waiting for this since I first heard the idea (it was somehow related to Douglas Adam's website, I think he was talking about actually making a hitchhiker's guide to the earth w/ this type of technology)

      The solution to your objection is simple, you create competing services - a BLOG-style service will leave personal notes ("I was looking up right here when I notice the tree limb above me was 1/2 sawed through. you might want to hurry along"), adverts (I really do want to know where the nearest beer is sometimes), etc. You'd 'subscribe' to the sites that interest you.

      I can't WAIT to write impressions, all the weird things I see when I walk through my day and read what other people are thinking about/seeing standing wherever I am. Architecture and history tutorials / commentary (think if the guy from the movie "cruising" got one of these, I'd *subscribe* to his channel!). And truely helpful tourist tips, imagine Lonely Planet's offerings?!?

      Come on, this is Amazing Technology We Want, don't dismiss it as another method for delivering advirtisements.

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  2. pirates! by lowtekneq · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yar ho ho, maybe i can use it to hide my Mp3/divx booty! X marks the spot. Kinda wierd how history repeats itself (in a way)

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  3. eek by Tipsy+McStagger · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ugh, there are some places where i would really rather not have a video clip of previous activities, imagine getting a new room at uni halls or a hotel or something... eyugggh.

  4. Great......... by Garion911 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can see it now... Random baseball diamonds around the world:

    All your base are belong to us..

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  5. This will never happen by JoeShmoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You think the web is already litigious? Wait until you see companies claiming they "own" the rights to certain property.

    Like Disneyowning all comment space in/around/driving to Disneyland and using that to squelch any warnings about, say, a child getting his foot caught in a ride.

    And food-lovers could post messages outside a restaurant door, giving subsequent visitors an instant endorsement-or a warning to take their custom elsewhere.

    Does anyone really think this has a chance? Or isn't it more likely the restaurant owner will sue anyone who posts disparaging messages for libel and slander while at the same time posting 1000 comments extolling the virtues of the food.

    The FBI will scream bloody murder about terrorists arranging targets or drug dealers arranding drop off points.

    As useful as this idea is, I can't see any possiblility of it existing in the US of A. After all, the Internet is non-coporial and there are still giant bitch-slap fights over companies thinking that some completely unrelated (but similarly named) website in on their turf, when the Internet is actually linked with turf it'll open up Pandora's legal retainer.

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    1. Re:This will never happen by garcia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      sorry, but if I am pissed off at the service I receive at a restaurant and I feel the need to stand in the parking lot telling people what I think I have all the rights in the world to do so. How the hell would this be any different?

      What I would prefer is if you see a fucking cop sitting around the bend, you drive back, you pop in the message -- slow down now, cop ahead.

      Something like the guy that used to watch for cops, drive back a mile and put up a sign. "State Policeman Ahead, SLOW DOWN NOW."

      I like that idea.

  6. S/N Ratio by lcorc79 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I saw this a month or so ago, and remember thinking at the time that I was worried about the S/N ratio of this 'empty space' around me ...

    I'd hate to walk around every corner and get an X10 Popup .. *grin*

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  7. Here's hoping they make a nice API for this! by khaladan · · Score: 4, Funny

    int lat = 0;
    int long = 0;

    while(1) {
    for(lat = 0; lat < 360; lat++) {
    for(long = 0; long < 360; long++) {

    GPS_printf(lat, long, "ALL YOUR COORDINATES ARE BELONG TO US!!!\n");

    }
    }
    }

    1. Re:Here's hoping they make a nice API for this! by protonman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you'd use ints we'd all be very lucky.

      That would be one post every quite a lot kilometers... Some karma whore -> do the math.

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  8. Some Research @ Cornell by Tony.Tang · · Score: 5, Informative
    Interesting. The HCI group at Cornell has done some work in this area. Their project involved GPS as well, and allowed students to "tag" objects with information. The project, called "CampusAware" was conceived as a system for tours; that is, a person on a tour could bring around a device, and it would beep when one came around a "tagged" area. A button press would reveal the information that was tagged there.

    The idea was that students could tag places as they saw fit.

    You can read more about the projects here, and here.

  9. Re:GPS in Cell Phones by isorox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Imagine the police attaching one to the car of a suspect. Technology providing yet another way for our rights to be violated.

    They've been bugging cars for years. When was the last time you, as an innocent person, checked under your car for a bug with a 5 mile radius, allowing tracking wherever you are.

    Of course the criminals will check...

    More worrying is every object you own will have a gps in, no doubt to elp locating when it gets stolen. Got a watch? it has a bug in. Pen? Phone? Beer bottle? It'd be "enemy of the state", but for real.

    Along with every bit of digital information you own tagged, the only freedom you'll have is that of your mind. And how long will that last?

  10. Pirates, or Couch Pirates? by Transient0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's another thought:

    If the way that this works is that a "web page" is being created on HP(or whoever) servers for each spot the first time someone posts there. This "new" web is basically just an extension of the old web. Will we end up with a new .GPS top level domain? Will all of the these locational web sites be browsable through the web as we know it?

    Basically, if i want to know what people are saying about my favorite restaurant/movie theatre/porno shop/whatever, do i have to actually go there or can i just plug the latitude and longitude into my web browser while sitting at home?

  11. What planet are you on? by Performer+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That should be:

    for(lat = -90; lat 90; lat++) {

    I'll excuse the longitude, although I'd suggest -180 to 180.

  12. The solution in SIMPLE! by empesey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Whenever I see an ad pop up in front of me, I'll just whip out my faithful mirror, and send the beam back to its source, thereby destroying the nasty sattelite that created the spam.

  13. How this would work in the world by maggard · · Score: 5, Interesting
    First of all folks seem to think this would somehow be embedded in GPS - it wouldn't be. Nor would there necessarily be a canonical database of these, rather folks would likely subscribe or otherwise get access to many databases.

    Your phone company might offer one as a premie for use with the phone. Of course it would likely have all of the restrictions that a phone company would impose (basically no content but for hotlinks to merchants and a few public services websites.)

    Your local mainstream and alternative papers might offer their own with reviews and schedules and of course links. Stand in front of a bus stop and see its schedule, wander in front of a theater and see the show times and buy them with a click. Walk into a store and you can look up their advert or just get dumped to their website (or whoever paid for those coordinates on that database.)

    Business and schools would use these to tag their own space. There'd likely be an IS database with notes on the hardware closet one is next to, directions for following a cable run through the building. University students would doubtless have their own databases with tips for which corners are good for sex and that the pizza in that cafe is rumored to have rat bits.

    Credit cards would likely love these. Use Amex and you'd have access to the Amex database listing only merchants who take their cards and likely a copy of the Zagats guide or something.

    Sure lots of graffiti could be a problem in some public databases, as with intrusive or inappropriate advertising. That's why I expect to see multiple databases with some sort of pruning or content enforcement mechanism (heck, /. moderation for tags.) The same as the web the useful ones would flourish, the others wither away, and need to find a funding source.

    We've already seen something like this for the web. I've lost track of their names but a few years ago there was a spate of plugins that would allow folks to annotate webpages. If you had BrandA plugin when you went to a webpage with a note "attached" it could appear superimposed. They weren't actually on the webpage but served from the plugin's host database and left by other visitors. There was much outcry but what really killed the whole thing was the graffiti.

    However I expect that there are ways around the graffiti problem (paying folks to keep the database clean or even moderation, and of course commercial ones) and we could see space tagging work be a breakthrough product for phones.

    My own list of dream apps:

    • Restaurant reviews from the local papers
    • Traffic news relevant to my location
    • Public transit schedules from where I'm standing or the nearest station/stop with estimated times & delay notification
    • Find the nearest ATM on my network
    • Browse the website of the store I'm in and easily jump to their competition down the street's website
    • Advertise my need for a cab to my location and see who shows up first
    • Maintain a list of personal notes attached to places: Where we first kissed, the salesperson I liked here was "Sue" etc.
    • Share notes with my friends & family: The chocolate mousse in this place is gelatinous...
    • Stand outside a bar or sit on a train and look up if anyone I like has listed themselves as being nearby (by their choice on our circle-of-friends tagsite.)
    Again, these wouldn't all be in big public databases but in a variety, some general public others subscription and some private.

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  14. Re:Among the people who didn't notice it the first by redcliffe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe that should be a new feature of slashcode. An automatic searcher thingy that would look for similiar articles and warn the editor that is a similiar article and allow them to view it. It would search on URL's keywords and title.

  15. to prevent spammage by redhotchil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    why not implement a system like everything2 + gps?

  16. A version of this already exists by tunari · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check out confluence.org, where people can post photos and descriptions of every long. lat. combination on the globe.

  17. Re:Didn't we see this by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Funny
    Yes, the slashcrew got together one night at one of their debauched drinking sessions. After swigging a six pack of jolt apiece they started talking about nerdish hobbies, like hacking an XBox to run linux, or hacking a dishwasher to run linux, or running linux on a snowblower.

    The cafeine laden air was then pierced by a cry, "lets invent the dorkiest, nerdiest hobby ever and use slashdot to persuade people to do it!".

    Their first idea was to have people stand at airports and train stations taking the numbers of the trains as they pass. Then someone did a search on Google (which runs Linux) and found that 'trainspoting' has been thought of already, they even found a Web site giving advice on the best model of parker to wear while doing it.

    The GPS drawing idea was the result. $3 Billion dollars of orbiting infrastructure and they use it to make an etch-a-sketch.

    The more time people who do that kind of thing can be persuaded to do that kind of thinginstead of finding members of the opposite sex and procreating the happier I feel about the future of the world.

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  18. You think the spam is bad? by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Funny

    What about the viruses?

    Hi! How are you?

    I meet you at these coordinates in order to have your advice.

    See you later! Thanks