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KDE 3.0 Release Plan Updated

loopkin noted that the dot is running a bit about the KDE 3 Release. Here's the release schedule, and as you can see, the upcoming weeks will be interesting. I guess I should figure out why my truetype fonts all broke on a recent update to debian unstable so that I can actually enjoy the new releases :)

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  1. KDE will get the curious win9x users by scott_evil · · Score: 1, Interesting

    With a small amount of playing around, KDE can be made to look suspiciously like a certain product made by a certain evil empire. Add to that the fact that it's free and you've got a great alternative to an operating system made by a company that charges you more than the price you paid for the OS for every patch. (win95,win98,winME,winXP - all bugfixes for win3.1)

  2. Re:And the competition goes on... by jonathan_ingram · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The KDE release timing has absolutely nothing to do with Gnome. Take a look at the 3.0 release plan -- it's been like this since at least last September. In fact, I wish KDE had got 3.0 out sooner - it was originally supposed to just be a port of KDE 2.2 to Qt 3, but some new features have snuck in. These range from the productive (much faster html processing, better dcop architecture), to the useful (much improved javascript support), to the useful and pretty (better file selection dialog), to the pretty and useless (alpha blending / transparent menus), to the totally useless (animated mimetype icons).

  3. Re:Sporting new features by loopkin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    as for the Klipper, the problem doesn't rely only on KDE.. actually, there as been a bug sneaking in QT, more or less fixed in Klipper, and then fixed in QT, so problems occured in Klipper... well... as u can see, it's a complex mess.
    what is as stake is copy-pasting URLs. If you deactivate "Actions" in Klipper, it works much better. Or using a good couple of QT/KDE. The work done by RedHat in their last updates is good, and everything works fine for me (seems Bero finally went back to qt-2.3.1).
    FYI LICQ has the same problems as Klipper.

  4. kioslaves by nick255 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On area I think KDE really excels is with kioslaves, which allow *any* KDE application access 'files' by a wide variety of means.
    *audiocd*samba*filesystem*ftp*gopher*gzip*http*i ma p4*nntp*sftp*tar
    To list but afew in the CVS.
    Plus people's homebrewed slaves:
    *shell commands*Nomad Jukebox*Digital camera*deleted files*over ssh
    for example.

    This can give rise to many useful applicatons. All KDE graphics programs instantly able to grab pictures off digital camera. Ripping CD by just dragging icons in the file browser. Seemless network browsing, just like Network Neighbourhood in Windows (ok, takes abit of setting up to work properly).

    Does gnome do anything similar. I know there is gnome-vfs, although haven't looked into what it does in too much detail.

  5. Screenshots by CanadaDave · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Has everyone seen the new screeshots for KDE 3.0? It looks awesome. I like the new window style.

    One thing that I think really needs to improve with KDE is the speed. It is still much slower than Winblows if you ask me. But it's free, and very customizable, so I don't mind the trade-off.

    (I sure hope they've fixed the fonts system now. Whenever I try to change the fonts to anything other than default, all my fonts turn into A.D. Mono.) CanadaDave

    1. Re:Screenshots by cgleba · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've been using KDE3 beta for a while now and I'm impressed. The rate of radical change between KDE1 and KDE2 is not the same as between KDE2 and KDE3 -- the feature slope seems to be tapering off and speed and stability are improving.

      A few notes that I've noticed:

      * KDE3 is faster then KDE2, however it is still not as fast as Windows.

      * Konqueror has had some major improvments in HTML renedering. Very nice. No major new features. With this release Konqueror is becoming my favorite web browser.

      * The regular expression engine is AWESOME. I can search web pages (and anything KDE for that matter) with regular expressions now. Very very cool feature.

      * There were some changes in the clipboard that I haven't quite figured out. . .middle-mouse-button pasting no longer works but I'm sure there's a config for it somewhere I havn't found yet.

      * Tool-bars are rippable now. Very cool.

      * A few new GUI pretty things

      * A few app crashes -- that's expected in Beta, though.

      Nothing radically new, however I appreciate and am impressed by the increase of maturity in KDE3.

      The only thing I have to wait for now is to have a few KDE apps mature a little more. I still use many gnome apps under KDE because they're a little more mature.

  6. Re:reasons not to use gnome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    i think it is sad there there are 2 desktops well of course the people can choose and of course there is 'no war between desktops specially named gnome and kde' (who ever wants to belive this).

    i for my own think it was a wrong way, if both groups would work on ONE desktop then today we could be far ahead as we are today.

    you guys make it totally different that way for people no one can really decide what to use. should i go to kde, should i go to gnome. then 2 days later the people switch back to this and then to that again.

    because of these 2 splitting groups i think the DESKTOP for linux is almost dead. sure you can argue the way like 'if there was no kde, then development for gnome wouldnt go that fast. same for kde' but i think in reality everyone wants a nice desktop even those puritans who still think their BB owns all and in reality they still have a kde or gnome installation running. i think because of this ONE project would be better..

  7. Font HOW-TO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am a pretty unsophisticated desktop user. My entire reason to be is to program db apps, and the like.

    User interfaces were never a strong point of mine.

    In a nutshell, what are anti-aliased fonts? How do I use the million and one fonts that are installed in X, when all I can see are a few in the various apps that use them?

    Is there a top down reference for neophytes on fonts. I need a general discussion followed up by X implimentation issues.

    I am sure I would be more impressed with who supports anti-aliased fonts, if I'd just understand what they were, and how to show them on my system.

    I know it seems like a stupid problem, but I am sure I can't be the only one.

  8. UI of KDE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    One thing that has allways irritated me is the inability of most systems to make use of some inherent methods to buid an efficient GUI. I am mostly thinking of Fitt's law here. Do any of you know if there is work being done on this area in KDE now?

    Otherwise it's an exellent product, that's getting better. Thanks!

  9. New major distro release on horizon by chill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With the recent/upcoming releases of:

    XFree 4.2.0
    KDE 3.0
    Gnome 2.0
    glibc 2.2.5 (claimed compatible with GCC3)
    GCC 3.0.x
    2.4.x Kernel du jour

    I sense upcoming releases of next-rev-level distros.

    Now if it can only all be made to play nice together.

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  10. Re:Apple / kioslaves / video problems ... by LinuxGeek8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For Audio and Video:
    There is not yet a standard for Audio/Video.
    There are some codecs available, some players, but they all follow their own rules.
    Along with Gnome2 there will be a multimedia framework Gstreamer.
    It is not really aimed at Gnome, it is meant to be able to build apps on it, so Kde could use it too.

    There is discussion planned at Kde about how to deal with Multimedia. Somehow I hope they choose to build on Gstreamer, and support the building of one standard.

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  11. KDE is cool in general.. by Junta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But they really need to get over the Not-Invented-Here syndrome in so many places. One thing that stands out to me is that noatun is a crappy media player compared to other applications out there. Only video files I managed to get to play with it were MPG video files, and even then it crashed 8 times out of 10 (And this was KDE 2.2.2). In it they use mpeglib, which now works, but I wonder why they didn't use smpeg, which was more mature, from the start, was it simply because the lib was written by the author of kmpg, an older KDE media player? I wonder why they didn't have avifile support, that would be an easy way to play a *lot* more files. Compare noatun to, say, mplayer, which plays avi/asf, mpg, viv, rm (few), and mov, not to mention others. Within a couple of days using smpeg and avifile you can write a better media player than noatun...

    On a positive note, it is good to see the widespread planned use of .ogg files.. In modern systems there is no reason to use wav anymore, and .ogg gives the KDE team a nice, perfectly legal way of reducing filesize (unlike mp3, which probably would be better for this except for legal reasons, since ogg takes more CPU time to decode still)

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    1. Re:KDE is cool in general.. by damiam · · Score: 2, Interesting
      mplayer plays mpeg, etc. fine without the extra windows binaries. It just needs the binaries to use various proprietary codecs without a Linux version.

      Besides, Mandrake and Redhat have no problem with non-GPL'd code. It's Debian that wouldn't include it due to the licenses. However, no distro should include mplayer, since the authors make it quite clear that they strongly discourage distributing mplayer binaries.

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  12. I'll be impressed... by ChaoticCoyote · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...when someone begins to develop a truly original interface, instead of immitating Windows. Don't get me wrong -- Gnome and KDE are monumental achievements, and I congratulate their programmers. But what about all the really new and interesting ideas out there? Isn't creativity and exploration a goal of "free" software?

    How about:

    While chasing Microsoft, let's not forget to stop and smell the alternative roses...