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KDE 3.0 Release Plan Updated
loopkin noted that the dot is running a bit about the KDE 3 Release. Here's
the release schedule,
and as you can see, the upcoming weeks will be interesting. I guess
I should figure out why my truetype fonts all broke on a recent
update to debian unstable so that
I can actually enjoy the new releases :)
Now that Gnome is maturing and releasing 2.0, it looks like KDE is stepping it up to steal some of Gnomes limelight...
Please note that I did -not- pick a side. Lets not break out into religious wars, please...
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
KDE 3.0 has plenty of new features. However, I think they should work on fixing up the Klipboard. That's one thing Windows has I wish KDE had... a good clipboard system. I also hope they don't screw up Konqueror with the Smart "window.open" Javascript policy. Right now, I love being able to turn off those X10 pop-ups.
At the risk of being burnt at the stake and getting a troll rating...
I like linux, I use it alot both for work and home use but I am getting tired of the chase for the desktop market. MS, like it or not it, are pretty secure on the desktop market. Where Linux scores is the server room and for that area I personally prefer reliablity, security etc over a fancy GUI front end.
GUI's are nice but not the end of the world.
(And yes I am bored, its late in the day and I've being trying to write requirements doc's all day, my coffee level is on overdrive...)
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Who cares, isnt this a little like my kid can beat up your kid ????
:)
People bitch about all the libs with gnome , and QT with KDE, The folks over at KDE have a good team a good direction and a good system. I am a gnome user for many reasons, BUT, I wish success to the KDE team, a good plan is always the best start, even if you dont follow it at least it gives you a sense that you have a common goal
We all in the *nix world of course know this not to be true, a common goal, Microsoft has one world domination, many of us *nix people are too worried about little things making it in, some out of ego some out of OUR neccesity.
the KDE team has done a great job all along, whats good for KDE is good for GNOME, if they do it first we can say, well that works nice, or that suck lets not do it that way,
Competition breeds the best, anything less is communism
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Until... they try to open a Word Document that their mom sent them, or try to set up printing, or try to read the crappy fonts.
I like KDE, it's great, but really, no matter how great it gets, it's got to have the nice conveniences that end-users have grown accustomed to before it'll make any headway against the evil empire.
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
I suppose if you find that type of environment most productive, there is nothing wrong with it. However, I've found that it actually takes a long time to navigate and get tasks done.
At home I use an old FVWM2 configuration I brewed several years ago, and I see no reason to keep updating the look and feel every 6 months. It does what I want it to do, and I am comfortable using it. It is not flashy, and it does not get in the way.
At work I have been using CDE, and I think that it is an excellent all-around desktop environment that is easy enough for newbies to use and yet allows more experienced users quick access to things they need without playing hide-and-seek games.
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The new window style? The style looks pretty much identical to KDE 2.2 to me, which should be expected as the main purpose of this update is to get up to date with Qt 3.
the increasing use of kioslaves as an underlying KDE technology is great -- even if KDE developers don't use the word, it sounds to me just like Apple's lately hyped vision of computer as "digital lifestyle hub" (or however they phrase it).
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If the KDE stuff continues at current pace, it won't be lnog until anything with a USB or firewire jack (or any other port that my computer has or will sprout next year) should plug in and be recognized, transparently and as a regular-looking ("hey, there's a file!") entry in directories
Any typical Linux distro comes with superior art tools already (GIMP, Kontour -- superior to anything that comes as part of a Windows or Mac OS install per se, though Photoshop is good for certain things that GIMP Is not), and with lots of tools for converting and listening to digital music. So music and 2-D art I think are pretty much down -- not finished or perfect or static, but already a compelling arguments for the family who wants to create pictures, edit digital photos, and stream music to baby's room.
The big drawbacks now when it comes to the digital hub lifestyle thing to any free system I'm aware of is that both Windows and Apple have available superior codecs for video, and both now come with video editing software. (At least, that's what the silly XP commercials imply; is that true?).
This really isn't a GNOME or KDE thing per se (hey, both are good, differences are wildly exaggerated, and they both live happily on the same machines), but kioslaves are impressive and tantalizing -- just wish there were video apps so I could one day open a window called "FIREWIRE VIDEO CAMERA" and be able to do the things that iMovie on a Mac provides.
timothy
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kioslaves: See Amiga device handlers in the 1990s...
Although this might be a minor problem to many of you, I think it is essential for the first impression ...
... In addition to that you often have a gnome entry that has all the gnome menus, with again tons of entries.
What I mean is:
You have to clean up the KMenu. If you hit the K-Button in most distributions you get tons of applications, utilities etc
What about small arrows like Windo$ has, so that you see just the recently used? Or a small, medium, and regular menu?
I mean KDE is THE way to get people from other platforms to Linux. Why show them that "mess" with all these entries ?
Show them a clean menu and give them later the option to add / see more.
Its impossible for anyone to compete with Microsoft, so lets all stop innovating and give up.
STUPID!! This isnt about Microsoft and taking the desktop from them, this is about giving the Desktop to Linux users who want a nicer Desktop OS than Microsoft.
Its not about Marketshare, its not about money, its about having a better product than the standard, a good alternative, CHOICE.
As far as KDE, and Gnome, its not so much about marketshare, its about giving Linux a desktop GUI for people who want ease of use. If this ends up being people in Tokyo Japan, China, Africa, Korea, Mexico, and everywhere but the Microsoft controlled dead Desktop Market in the USA, so be it.
You all seem to forget, just because theres no market for KDE in the USA doesnt mean there isnt one internationally.
The Desktop Market internationally is bigger than the settop box / PDA market in the USA.
The Choice of KDE is to target the markets outside of the USA
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KDE and GNOME are *not* imitating Windows. They are imitating what works. It just so happens that Microsoft isn't staffed by idiots, so they tend to imitate what works as well.
The first time I saw KDE (1.0) I thought "wow, it's my old OS/2 desktop!" You see, contrary to popular belief and the tripe they feed you in the press, Microsoft did not invent the GUI or the desktop. Xerox PARC did. It was copied by Apple Lisa then Apple Macintosh. OS/2 Warp had that style of desktop before Windows did. But Microsoft saw that the Mac and OS/2 Warp were *usable* interfaces and got worried. So they made a radical design change with the Win95 desktop.
It's a pain in the butt creating a truly original interface. A major pain the arse. It's easy to come up with a concept, but making it usable is the hard part. I am glad that KDE and GNOME didn't decide to join the radical fringe and try to shove a new metaphor down people's throats. They stuck with what worked. The "computer as desktop" metaphor may not be the best metaphor, but it does work and people are used to it.
If you don't like the default setup of KDE or GNOME, you can change it. Try that with Windows. If you don't like the main menu accessible from the panel, change it and make it a root menu. If you don't like the taskbar in the panel, make it a separate taskbar or use KasBar. Get rid of the panel entirely if you wish. If you don't like the file manager to be a plain window with icons representing files, then change it. Add a sidebar or/or shell to it. Use text view mode. Use a norton commander clone mode. Or use a different file manager completely. If you want menus to be on the top like in the Mac, just do it.
This is the truly original interface that KDE and GNOME give you (original for Windows users, but not for Unix users): you are in complete control of your desktop. You get to decide how it will look, feel and work.
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