KDE 3.0 Release Plan Updated

loopkin noted that the dot is running a bit about the KDE 3 Release. Here's the release schedule, and as you can see, the upcoming weeks will be interesting. I guess I should figure out why my truetype fonts all broke on a recent update to debian unstable so that I can actually enjoy the new releases :)

Comments

reasons not to use gnome

[Anonymous Coward]

gnomereport
===========

oki what should i use ? kde ? gnome ? normal windowmanager ? these questions are comming up more and more and i am totally fed up listening to these things all the time.

i think that gnome 2 will become a lot more mature than gnome 1 a lot more resource consuming and a lot more buggy not to mention that you all wait another year until the majority of your apps that you use today will be ported.

gnome 2 will depend on MORE libraries than gnome 1, gnome 2 may be ready to use just in time but all your beloved apps won't be ready in time. e.g. evolution, still not yet started beeing ported, gnumeric still not yet started beeing ported, galeon cant be ported to gnome 2 right now because gtk embedded is not yet ported to gtk 2 (work is in progress) now think on all other gtk and gnome apps (some of them may be outdated too) when do you think these will ever be ported ? its not just replacing some lines of code and voila, theres a lot more things to do.

you guys should look somehow behind the scenes, a tad more inside everything before deciding for one desktop. eyecandy is not everything it should also be quick, fast, less mature and simply operatinal. i am working with gnome for some years now and the past months i really feel that i need to get rid of it since i dont like the way it goes, the way things are beeing implemented and so on. i for my own am not willing to install gnome 1 and gnome 2 (which is far more mature) for a couple of time only to use my applications until someone decides to give it gnome 2 support.

also seeing all these deamons running in the background only for one use who accesses the workstation is really unbelivable. also the new windows registry like system that got implemented into gnome 2 starts to suck, it consumes a lot of diskspace for one user than the way things got configured before.

gnome 2 is nice but i dont belive that people who are realy aware of their systems gonna like it that much. even nautilus is still totally unusable even the gnome 2 converted one totally sucks, it takes ages to load and is not that userfriendly to use as e.g. konqueror e.g scanning a ftp tree takes hours with nautilus and only seconds for konqueror. its sad to say but this is simply a fact. i never found myself using nautilus. only started it up once in a time to see what happens but usability NO but thats what a system should be like... simply usable.

not long ago i had a gconf crash for unknown reason while i was leeching some bigger files from the net. after this crash i wasnt able starting galeon and other apps that use gconf as preferences master, no matter what i did, either killing the processes etc. it wasnt possible to get that stuff back running so i was sticked on a nearly dead desktop with 2 decissions, either i reboot my system to get everything working properly again and cancel my download (over irc and in queue) or i continue the download until its finished. well i decided to continue until its finished. well its sure that these minor problems are beeing solved sooner or later but it doesnt make me happy using my system. its a lot of maintainance etc. a lot of things you need to care and you end in a permanent maintainance instead using your system. e.g. if you want to run games like quake, rtcw etc. you always need to keep in mind that a lot of stuff is running in the background. same for evolution e.g. losing passwords every now and then, preferences lost every now and then, long startup times, bad addressbook implementation etc. i belive it will continue and become better and better over time but yes TIME but we want to use the system NOW and not later.

well every now and then i EYE over to KDE and look about all these apps they got. sure the eyecandy is not that nice and the CVS of KDE 3 that i tried every now and then isnt that beautifull (e.g. i also miss some other features that i was used on gnome) but KDE is not only the environment its more. i see the apps like konqueror more functional. more freedom, no need to compile mozilla with its ugly XUL widgetset all the time, no need to install stuff like GALEON and NAUTILUS to have things that i get with konqueror, its faster and more impressive. i thought wow the first time ive played with it. only big disadvantage on kde is, that the packages install things that i dont really want e.g. if i want the seat of a car only then why do need to purchase the whole car? but looking on 3rd party applications i see things that i really would like seeing on gnome but know that they are far away. e.g. cool professional burner software, cool query analyzer like program for sql, a whole complete office suite etc. more and more stuff from 3rd party coders specially programs that i need for daily work and wish to have on gnome myself.

i am also a bit familar with the gnome developers and i came to this resume. gnome may be open source, but the whole community is totally closed. if you talk to them then they act like insane humans and piss you off really fast. well not everyone of them but a lot of them. holy jesus if someone comes into their channels or meet them on open air festivals etc. and one wrong word or misunderstood word. they piss you off to hell. i met a couple of them and well i dont like many of them. they actually are capable people but also kinda agressive people many of them cant decide anymore between trolling and normal arguing.

well finally i say you dont need to keep my words for an end line agreement, please go install gnome see if you like it. look in your homedirectory and subdirectories and decide if you like what you see and then be happy. you really dont need gnome at all for your work and i for my own felt somekinda freedom after i tested a gnomefree environment for some weeks e.g. windowmaker and gtk+ apps only i feelt so much better i then really had the happy feeling to USE my system again. nice aterm, bitchx, xchat, sylpheed, mutt etc. no shit in the background. also a lot more memory for my own personal use and not wasted to e.g. gnomes core. i also ran mozilla on its own and got rid of galeon too (have you figured out recently that they add and remove stuff in one breathe). mozilla is so what faster than older versions now if they soon port it to gtk 2 then i dont see the usage of galeon anymore. its nice with tabs etc. but mozilla offers the same things now and i think over time mozilla will be better. not to mention all the problems caused during compile etc.

besides, nothing has changed in gnome. a lot of new libraries, same utilities

Fonts

[Burgundy Advocate]

I guess I should figure out why my truetype fonts all broke on a recent update to debian unstable so that I can actually enjoy the new releases :)

Oooooh! I know! I know!

Because font support in X is a hacked together piece of shit that supports vector-based fonts extremely poorly?

I know I sure want something better. Display Ghostscript seems like one of the better ideas out there. Also, it'll eventually have it's own display backend (eventually in the works, targetted for GGI).

It and Berlin are the only hopes I can see for a decent, modern, vector-based desktop in Linux.