Lindows improvement?
by
MiTEG
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· Score: 4, Informative
Hopefully Lindows will start implenting this new version of WINE and maybe start being able to run more programs. I think Lindows will be more successful at getting converts than WINE alone.
-- The future isn't what it used to be.
Re:Microsoft's response?
by
BitwizeGHC
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· Score: 4, Informative
Or what happens when Microsoft updates their EULA to read: "this program must run on an officially licensed Microsoft Operating System" or starts requiring vendors who want to use the XP logo on their boxes to start including that wording also?
I have seen EULAs that do something like this. The wording they use is "approved operating system", and then go on to state that -- you guessed it -- the only approved OS is Windows.
Re:WINE discourages native Linux apps
by
MtViewGuy
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· Score: 3, Informative
I personally think Linux must stand on its own merits, not just having the ability to run emulation so you can run Windows apps.
By running everything as a Linux-native app, you get the stability of Linux almost all the way through.
The biggest issue holding up Linux is the lack of Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) support, which would give Linux the ability to do true automatic system configuration and updating, not to mention truly functional power saving ability. I do believe that one of goals of the eventual Linux 2.6.x kernel will include ACPI support.
Re:LaTeX in publishing
by
Beetjebrak
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· Score: 1, Informative
No, PLEASE, no M$ WORD in publishing!!! I just finished preparing someone's thesis for print, and he made it in Word. Drew diagrams using Word, created formulas using Word.. And it al stank in the end! I had to redraw every diagram using Postscript (Adobe Illustrator saved me here, but I guess there may be others better suited for the job since diagrams aren't Illustrator's forté) because the printer's RIP kept hanging on the diagrams. The formulas kept getting strange blue background blocks for no apparent reason. Text would shift if the printer definition and Normal.dot file weren't exactly identical across systems. And so on, and so forth..
I solved most of this by using Adobe products to draw the diagrams and export to PDF. It took me two steps because the client in question had made his thesis fit onto an A4 size page (210x297mm.)while the destination size would be 170x230mm. So I had to scale down a 300+ page document using Word?? This obviously did NOT work. I printed the document to a Postscript file, used Acrobat Distiller on that, printed the resulting PDF to a file again this time scaling it down to the proper dimensions, and distilled that again. After a thorough proofread I had to correct around 150 small errors, like the mysterious blocks behind some of the formulas, shifted typograhpy and stuff like that. I'm glad Acrobat 5 has at least SOME editing features for PDF! In the end the thesis got printed and I have a copy on my desk right here. I just wish this guy had called me earlier so this whole project could have started its life in either FrameMaker, Quark or InDesign with proper typography, proper placement of captions, uniform character and paragraph styling and a lot less hours going into preparation for final printing and sorting out Word's peculiarities.
I have no experience with LaTeX, but I hear it's pretty good for scientific use and you can convert it properly to postscript. Just stick to that, or find a PROPER dtp package for your scientific documents if you don't want LaTeX. Whatever you do, do NOT use M$ WORD for final printing output to a professional service bureau!!! They'll curse you for it.
-- Learn from the mistakes of others. There isn't enough time to make them all yourself.
Revision marks...
by
Spoing
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· Score: 3, Informative
I can't say if this fits your need, but the beta release of Sun StarOffice 6.0 creates/opens/saves MS Word documents with revision marks. Seems to do so perfectly, though I honestly haven't stress tested it yet; I don't often edit documents with revision marks.
If I'm mistaken and some feature of revision marks doesn't work as expected let me know and I'll go bring it up in one of the OpenOffice lists.
As for the other issues, list them here or (better yet) tell the folks at OpenOffice.org. They are very open to comments on improving the editor as well as any other part of the suite.
Revision marks quick how-to:
New revision marks -- Edit...Changes...Record.
Export -- File...Save as... and choose one of these;
Microsoft Word 97/2000/XP
Microsoft Word 95
Microsoft Word 6
Import -- File...Open (choose document from list; default is show "All" files)
Since you are in journalism, I'll leave it up to you to get Sun to fork over a copy of StarOffice 6 beta. The last open beta closed at the end of 2001. The next release is expected to be 6.0 final (or close to it).
-- A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
Re:WHY SO MUCH EMPHASIS ON M$ OFFICE?
by
Lumpy
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· Score: 3, Informative
There are some valid points but most of this is basic histeria from a scared user, scared about change. Only 5 years ago you didnt have all those fancy tools and yet journalism and publishing got done, we didint have and extra 3-4 employees to do something that the software does now that is a minor neato feature. I have family closely tied with a major journalistic company and Microsoft word is not the defacto standard. It may be in your world, but in the world I have ties to it doesn't. as the typesetting machines that are ran by the IBM mainfraime in the basement cannot read a doc file. they read raw EBCDIC files which is kinds of a polish latin version of ASCII. As a It admin and manager I have had all version of microsoft word in my office changed to default save as a rtf file. this did not cause us to have to hire another person, it didnt instantly throw us into a world of incompatability. and in fact everyone barely noticed. at the last all-employee meeting I explained in short how RTF files gives us a distinct business advantage over DOC files and I noew even hear the sales force asking customers to send RTF files and then explaining how it's a professional advantage to use that format.. so it's even spreading outside my office.
I also give the users a choice, Office 2000 and Open office is installed on every workststion. and every employee has been told that I will give them free legal copies of the office suite (open office) for home use if they ask. I have given away 20 copies now, and the use of power point has dropped by 40% and continues to drop. (if they make their presentation at home It's not powerpoint!)
Microsoft word has ome nice features. but nobody takes you serious with the picture you paint of doom and gloom that will happen if word went away. Hell Journalism and writers did their jobs well onmanual typewriters! in fact the best journalism on the planet was done on them 40 years ago.... and the world has yet to match the quality of thought put into the journalism of the 1960's - 1970's.
Hopefully Lindows will start implenting this new version of WINE and maybe start being able to run more programs. I think Lindows will be more successful at getting converts than WINE alone.
The future isn't what it used to be.
I have seen EULAs that do something like this. The wording they use is "approved operating system", and then go on to state that -- you guessed it -- the only approved OS is Windows.
N4st0r, trixx0r h0bb1tz0rz! Th3y st0l3 0ur pr3c10uzz!
I personally think Linux must stand on its own merits, not just having the ability to run emulation so you can run Windows apps.
By running everything as a Linux-native app, you get the stability of Linux almost all the way through.
The biggest issue holding up Linux is the lack of Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) support, which would give Linux the ability to do true automatic system configuration and updating, not to mention truly functional power saving ability. I do believe that one of goals of the eventual Linux 2.6.x kernel will include ACPI support.
No, PLEASE, no M$ WORD in publishing!!! I just finished preparing someone's thesis for print, and he made it in Word. Drew diagrams using Word, created formulas using Word.. And it al stank in the end! I had to redraw every diagram using Postscript (Adobe Illustrator saved me here, but I guess there may be others better suited for the job since diagrams aren't Illustrator's forté) because the printer's RIP kept hanging on the diagrams. The formulas kept getting strange blue background blocks for no apparent reason. Text would shift if the printer definition and Normal.dot file weren't exactly identical across systems. And so on, and so forth.. I solved most of this by using Adobe products to draw the diagrams and export to PDF. It took me two steps because the client in question had made his thesis fit onto an A4 size page (210x297mm.)while the destination size would be 170x230mm. So I had to scale down a 300+ page document using Word?? This obviously did NOT work. I printed the document to a Postscript file, used Acrobat Distiller on that, printed the resulting PDF to a file again this time scaling it down to the proper dimensions, and distilled that again. After a thorough proofread I had to correct around 150 small errors, like the mysterious blocks behind some of the formulas, shifted typograhpy and stuff like that. I'm glad Acrobat 5 has at least SOME editing features for PDF! In the end the thesis got printed and I have a copy on my desk right here. I just wish this guy had called me earlier so this whole project could have started its life in either FrameMaker, Quark or InDesign with proper typography, proper placement of captions, uniform character and paragraph styling and a lot less hours going into preparation for final printing and sorting out Word's peculiarities. I have no experience with LaTeX, but I hear it's pretty good for scientific use and you can convert it properly to postscript. Just stick to that, or find a PROPER dtp package for your scientific documents if you don't want LaTeX. Whatever you do, do NOT use M$ WORD for final printing output to a professional service bureau!!! They'll curse you for it.
Learn from the mistakes of others. There isn't enough time to make them all yourself.
If I'm mistaken and some feature of revision marks doesn't work as expected let me know and I'll go bring it up in one of the OpenOffice lists.
As for the other issues, list them here or (better yet) tell the folks at OpenOffice.org. They are very open to comments on improving the editor as well as any other part of the suite.
Revision marks quick how-to:
Export -- File...Save as... and choose one of these;
Microsoft Word 95
Microsoft Word 6
Import -- File...Open (choose document from list; default is show "All" files)
Since you are in journalism, I'll leave it up to you to get Sun to fork over a copy of StarOffice 6 beta. The last open beta closed at the end of 2001. The next release is expected to be 6.0 final (or close to it).
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
There are some valid points but most of this is basic histeria from a scared user, scared about change. Only 5 years ago you didnt have all those fancy tools and yet journalism and publishing got done, we didint have and extra 3-4 employees to do something that the software does now that is a minor neato feature. I have family closely tied with a major journalistic company and Microsoft word is not the defacto standard. It may be in your world, but in the world I have ties to it doesn't. as the typesetting machines that are ran by the IBM mainfraime in the basement cannot read a doc file. they read raw EBCDIC files which is kinds of a polish latin version of ASCII. As a It admin and manager I have had all version of microsoft word in my office changed to default save as a rtf file. this did not cause us to have to hire another person, it didnt instantly throw us into a world of incompatability. and in fact everyone barely noticed. at the last all-employee meeting I explained in short how RTF files gives us a distinct business advantage over DOC files and I noew even hear the sales force asking customers to send RTF files and then explaining how it's a professional advantage to use that format.. so it's even spreading outside my office.
I also give the users a choice, Office 2000 and Open office is installed on every workststion. and every employee has been told that I will give them free legal copies of the office suite (open office) for home use if they ask. I have given away 20 copies now, and the use of power point has dropped by 40% and continues to drop. (if they make their presentation at home It's not powerpoint!)
Microsoft word has ome nice features. but nobody takes you serious with the picture you paint of doom and gloom that will happen if word went away. Hell Journalism and writers did their jobs well onmanual typewriters! in fact the best journalism on the planet was done on them 40 years ago.... and the world has yet to match the quality of thought put into the journalism of the 1960's - 1970's.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.