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Trimming Television to Sell More Ads

gambit3 writes: "Tech TV has an article about a device called a "Digital Time Machine", that does something called "Time Trimming", which is basically a way to cut single frames from different scenes in TV programs, which, over the course of a 30 minute program, can add up to 30 seconds, which is, incidentally, the perfect length to add ANOTHER commercial."

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  1. Sounds like "Cash" on radio by sulli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It compresses the audio, taking out blank space, to fit in between 30 sec - 2 min an hour. Rush Limbaugh among others have blasted it for ruining the listener's experience.

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    1. Re:Sounds like "Cash" on radio by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are several reasons he doesn't like it. First, in order for it to work, the program has to be buffered into the machine, which means it isn't live anymore. Second, listeners complained that it was too hard to listen to because natural pauses are eliminated.

      Also, it wasn't his network that was doing it; it was individual radio stations, at least that's my understanding.

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    2. Re:Sounds like "Cash" on radio by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny
      Rush Limbaugh among others have blasted it for ruining the listener's experience.

      <audio style="rush-limbaugh-voice">

      Rush Limbaugh doesn't like it. Folks, I can't believe the... the... the.. gall this guy has. People, I can't emphasize this enough: The radio stations are there to make money for Clear Channel stockholders, not as some charity to provide the best possible experience for Rush's listeners.

      Look, folks, if Rush doesn't want this technology applied to his show, he's free to negotiate a contract with the radio stations that enforces his wishes. Anybody in this great country of ours can negotiate any contract they want. I hope that he's not going to try to get the government weenies at the FCC to meddle with the radio stations' livelyhoods.

      Sheesh. Sometimes, I just don't know. We'll be back after this...

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    3. Re:Sounds like "Cash" on radio by osgeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You seem to be trying to point out some kind of hypocrisy in Rush's position - that he has no right to complain because a business is trying to make money.

      His complaining is no hypocrisy. Now if he sought the creation of some kind of government program to remedy a free market assault on the quality of his show - that would be hypocrisy.

  2. Pointless device in Canada by LordOfYourPants · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here in Canada, we have the CRTC which regulates how many minutes of commercials a Canadian station can show within the period of 30 minutes. On top of that, stations also have requirements for what ratio of Canadian programming to foreign programming can be shown during primetime hours, etc. Stations which violate these licenses enough times likely won't be renewed.

    Basically, this device would sell up here about as well as bottled yellow snow.

  3. Where to get addl time by beiaterm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They could use this to cut out frames from other commercials! Also, isn't there black space between commercials as it it? They could just cross fade everything into everything else, Just like on the more annoying radio stations. No wonder I don't own a TV! ::alan

  4. I already do this . . . by Ezubaric · · Score: 5, Funny

    If only I had a patent.

    Each year, I prepare for the Super Bowl. Not that I like the Super Bowl, but apart from knowing the score at each quarter, the only knowledge you need to prove that you watched the game is what commercials were shown.

    After programming my VCR to record the game, I watch the amusing commercials and fast forward through the game itself. This new-fangled "Time Machine" just gives you the illusion of actually watching the show between ads.

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  5. You folks are looking at it wrong... by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't look at this as being "another commercial" - look at it as "overclocking your TV" - just think, that's thirty seconds less time per show you have to watch, just by skipping over it with your Tivo.

    Heck, I've often wanted the ability to do just this - compress a TV show I want to see so as to be better able to fit it into my time.

    Now, if we could just compress the time wasted by laugh tracks....

  6. Re:Just what we need. by augustz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did you read the article?

    The article clearly says that it does not pop or chirp, and that over 170 stations are already using it. I mean, if it was poping and chirping first of all everyone would know, and second of all the stations wouldn't use it.

  7. Where's my time-compressing pitch-shifting tivo? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is only vaguely on topic, but what I don't understand is why no PVR maker offers this feature - let me adjust the playing speed from -100% to +100% (possibly faster), pitch shifting the sound back to normal (just like most voice-mail systems let you do now).

    I'd be more keen to watch some things if they'd take a lot less time - I think I might not even skip ads if I was watching at 200% normal speed.

    Am I wrong, and Tivo or RePlay offers this feature already?
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  8. Re:Yep nothing new by thogard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The time modifed means they may have cut out entire scenes.

    Many years ago you would offten find M*A*S*H running at one of the time slots between the 5:00 and 6:30 news. The reason is that it had so many sub plots they could cut out huge amounts of it. It started out as a 30 minute show and I've seen it run in 1/2 that. I was told that a TV station would get the show from the distributers, it would be sorted by run lenght and so if they ran the news over by 7.5 minutes, they could go pull out a shortend show and then they would be back in time for the all importaint 7:00 primetime network slots. This became very clear when they showed the same epposide two days in a row and they were different cuts.

  9. Re:So what's wrong with this? by 1010011010 · · Score: 5, Offtopic

    What pisses me off is that Fox went to all the trouble to pay for Futurama and The Simpsons, and then they keep running the "NFL Postgame" over the Groening time slots. Sometimes they "join the program already in progress," i.e., roll the last scene and credits for the show that "Howie" has blathered over for 25 minutes. Retarded. Shut up, Howie. We all saw the game already.

    The one hour of TV I want to see during the week, and they fill it with redundant lip-flapping that contains no new information. Fucking football.

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  10. They aren't pointless at all. by mindstrm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Slash summary is just misleading as usual.

    These devices are used in order to compress a program into the right amount of time so you CAN put the required amount of commericals in.

    It's not at *all* a way to 'scam' the consumer into watching more commercials.. just a way to 'shorten' a show so it fits your schedule.

    Canadian stations use this too, you can bet on it.

    1. Re:They aren't pointless at all. by a42 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's not at *all* a way to 'scam' the consumer into watching more commercials.. just a way to 'shorten' a show so it fits your schedule.

      Survey says... get real. It is absolutely a device to squeeze more commercials into a given time period. That's why it was made, how it is marketed, why it will be bought. Did you miss the part about the millions of dollars of extra ad revenue?

      I remember from a year or so back (when I used to write closed captioning software) a couple of networks doing someting like this already. (I seem to recall PAX being one of them but wouldn't swear to that.)

      The reason the whole thing sticks in my mind is that dropping frames like this plays hell with caption data and any other VBI data such as Web TV, VCHIP, etc.

  11. Re:Just what we need. by gilroy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Blockquoth the poster:

    As much as I hate the principle of this thing, I don't think we can complain on grounds of it decreasing the audio/video quality of our shows.

    The audio or video quality, no. The dramatic quality (such as it is) is another thing entirely. I don't know if losing one frame out of 44 can really alter our perception of a dramatic pause -- are there any editor/director types who claim that sort of precision? But that's not the issue.


    It's another 30 seconds out of 30 minutes that you're not watching the program. It stretches out the commercial breaks by padding them even more. This in turn adds to the break in dramatic continuity and of course makes it even more tempting to just walk away and do something else during the commercial break -- perhaps indeed during the rest of the show.


    I mean, I already notice how excruciatingly long commercial breaks are now. It's getting to where you can forget what you're watching, for the love of Pete. This is just another way for broadcast TV to commit suicide in slow motion.

  12. You are the product...And you taste like chicken. by deacon · · Score: 5, Informative
    The viewer of TV is the product being delivered.

    The harvester and packager of the product is the huge machine which keeps the TV screen saturated with images targeted to specific groups.

    The consumer of this product is the advertiser.

    As long as you keep that in mind, all of this makes perfect sense.

    The TV isn't on for YOU. It's on for them.

  13. Another technique used.... by DiveX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Another techniques used by radio broadcasters is to speed up music by 3-4%. This over time gives a lot more room for more commercials or even more songs (since many stations promote X number of songs per hour).

    One poster mentioned that this could be used on commercials, thus giving space for more commercials, but this technique would not be allowed. The contracts (at least those that I have seen) stipulate that such measures cannot be taken during their commercials, but that is not usually the case for music.

    I worked in the IT department of a local radio network that owned several local stations (I left when Clear Channel bought them out) for a couple of years.

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