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Genetically Modified Mouthwashing Bacteria

Moxen writes: "The BBC is running an article about a genetically modified bacterium that is intended to replace the existing lactic-acid-producing variety currently residing in your mouth. Once the new bacteria have replaced the old, you can apparently expect the elimination of 'most tooth decay.' Rather clever, if you don't mind playing host to a colony of GMOs."

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  1. At last! by dhopton · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is somethign that all computer people need. Anything that lessens the time that a computer person has to spend away from their keyboard, the better. I for one welcome this, since brushing of the teeth is something that I have to try very hard to remember.

  2. This is good science! by gnovos · · Score: 2

    Finally! Nay-sayers be damned, sign me up for this! This is one of those things that makes me proud to be human!

    (I am not being sarcastic, I really think this is exactly the kind of thing that science should be doing.)

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  3. Do these guys actually have a clue? by zrafnid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This sounds pretty neat. I'd like to never have to worry about tooth decay again. I'll bet this would do a pretty skookum job of keeping my breath fresher, too. But... Do the scientists who've developed this actually have a clue?

    Is this, for example, going to be so successfully alive in my mouth that it'll decide to live elsewhere too? Maybe it will kill my digestive bacteria? Possibly cause less functional first stage digestion in my mouth?

    I suppose this, like any new GE type revelation, is one that is only testable imperically. I don't know about anyone else, but that kinda willies my out. Maybe we're creating bacteria-zilla, eh?

    I find it surprising that many people I speak with about GE generally place it at the same level of complexity of *any* scientific discipline. Much as I'd like to think that I am a smart fellow because I know some computer stuff, the GE world is waaay waaay more complex than the one I live in. I am convinced that we do NOT have the ability to ensure any level of safety in the deployment of any GE in any form, whatsoever. We just don't have any way of being deterministic about outcomes of GE on any organism.

    Maybe I am out to lunch. Please (PLEASE) prove me wrong - but GE seems to be very much a "what happens if we push *this* button" kind of discipline.

  4. Kissing is a patent infringement. by andaru · · Score: 5, Interesting
    How do they prevent this from indiscriminately spreading between people who kiss each other?

    If it did spread through kissing, how would they make their money back?

    Police Officer: I'm sorry, son, you're going to have to come with me. Seems like you've got an illegal copy of DNA sequence 9422136A residing in the bacteria in your mouth.

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  5. Darwin. by WasterDave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It appears to me that we've evolved to have the organisms in our mouth that we do have for a reason. Whatever that reason may be. Maybe sometimes we should just *not* fuck with nature?

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    1. Re:Darwin. by Cuthalion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just like we're evolved to have lice.

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    2. Re:Darwin. by Fweeky · · Score: 2

      Evolution isn't interested in reasons; that they don't kill us before we reproduce and let us hang around long enough to raise our offspring and maybe help them raise theirs for a bit is enough for it not to be selected against heavily, if at all.

      Evolution is really just one huge long testing process keeping mutations in check.. I don't see how applying some intelligence to the equation will make things worse.

    3. Re:Darwin. by Alsee · · Score: 2

      It appears to me that we've evolved to have the organisms in our mouth that we do have for a reason. Whatever that reason may be. Maybe sometimes we should just *not* fuck with nature?

      I agree, and strongly suggest you stop brushing your teeth immediately. Don't fuck with nature.

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  6. This will never work :( by eggstasy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because of the Almighty Buck's all-mighty interests.
    If we could be free of cavities forever with just one whiff of a spray, then half the dentists out there would be out of business, and so would toothpaste/brush industries.
    I would sure like a bit of that spray though.
    I have a genetic condition that weakens my teeth somehow. My grandmother had mostly false teeth when she turned 20 and my mother has the same problem. I brush my teeth like 5 times a day and I keep getting cavities. Most of my teeth have already been drilled at least once and I'm only 22 years old :|

    1. Re:This will never work :( by moncyb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Aaahhh...but you forget there will be errors (accidental or deliberate) in their genetic code. Just think--they'll be a notice to all those version 1.0 "users" that says "warning: there is a serious problem with v1.0 of our product. Please purchase v1.1, or your teeth will fall out, and you'll die within the year."

      After a decade or two, there will be a monopoly called Genetisoft led by a guy named Gill Bates. The justice department will be investigating why people who have the Genetisoft(TM) Mouthwash(TM) bacteria are only able to eat Genetisoft(TM) food, and use Genetisoft(TM) medical products.

      The courts will find that indeed Genetisoft(TM) is a monopoly, and as their punisment, they will find that Genetisoft(TM) must give free samples of their bacteria to all school children. The children will not be given a choice, of course, because the fight against tooth decay is a national initiative.

  7. Re:What do you get instead of lactic acid? by linuxator · · Score: 3, Funny

    Alcohol ;) :P

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  8. Mouthwash by PoiBoy · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Listerine and other breath fresheners work in part by killing bacteria in the mouth. Are these bacteria immune?

    More importantly, it seems implausible that this treatment is a once-in-a-lifetime affair. I might believe it would last a week, but no more than that. What if someone brushes his teeth? Even if one need no longer worry about cavities, brushing is still required to remove plaque and prevent gum disease.

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  9. just wait... by doooras · · Score: 3, Funny

    until it mutates from mouthwashing bacteria to brainwashing bacteria. (which will then be patented by AOL Time Warner, of course)

  10. View from a Biochemist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Unfortunately, the linked article is a little lacking on details. They mention that Streptococcus mutans has been engineered to not produce lactic acid. This has *probably* been done by knocking out a gene in the lactic acid production pathway. -- Nothing more complex than what probably happens via normal mutation. (You don't think bacteria are sitting around all "perfect" clones of each other waiting for some scientist to mess them up, do you?)

    Of course, there is the question of why this strain would outcompete the resident S. mutans. After a rather infuriating search of the U.FL website I found http://www.dental.ufl.edu/Offices/Oral_bio/Faculty _pages/JHillman.html which includes a list of peer reviewed journal references.(Note: there isn't much more there.)

    A quick read of Infection and Immunity, February 2000, p. 543-549, Vol. 68, No. 2 indicates that they created the GM bacteria by deleting almost the entire gene responsible for lactic acid production (lactic dehydrogenase) and make up for the loss by inserting another alcohol dehydrogenase (from Zymomonas mobilis) in the gap. (Which means the other poster was correct - it produces alcohol instead of lactic acid .) The paper also indicates that the bacteria are able to compete with resident mouth bacteria by producing a "Lantibiotic" antibiotic (mutacin 1140). This antibiotic was not introducd by the researchers, but instead is naturally occuring in the (naturally occuring) strain of S. mutans which they selected (because of the antibiotic).

    1. Re:View from a Biochemist by phazei · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But what type of alchol does it produce? AFAIK most alchol is poisonous to us. Even at the minute levels it would be producing I would think its effects over time wouldn't be a good thing.

    2. Re:View from a Biochemist by Lars+T. · · Score: 2

      Almost everything is poisonous to us - it's the all in the dosis. Anyway, recent studies show that small amounts of alcohol are actually good for your health - small as in much more than these bacteria can produce.

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  11. Lack of intelligence by andaru · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Because applying our (typically nearsighted) intelligence skips the testing process.

    By intentionally creating something which is viable in the short term, we give a huge (and arbitrary) survival bonus to the changes we have introduced. When something evolves in the wild, it is given many more survival tests along the way as it gradually changes.

    These survival tests are also test exposures for other organisms. If you are exposed to a totally new bacteria to which no human has been exposed before, you have no defences tailored to fight that bacteria, even though that bacteria may have been given (intentionally or accidentally) specific weapons to attack you. Humans are likely to have developed a resistance to any non-modified bacteria which they have been in contact with over the generations while it was mutating.

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    1. Re:Lack of intelligence by Fweeky · · Score: 2

      I never said it would be a trivial or easy thing to do. It's a trade off between the benefits you'll get from engineering next to the costs of potential failure. As with anything else, it's just a case of managing those.

      Sure, major screwups are going to have potentially very serious consequenses, so we need to work towards minimising them, not just drop it as being a Bad Idea[tm] and loose the massive benefits it can bring.

  12. Is Listerene once-in-a-lifetime? by andaru · · Score: 3, Interesting
    These bacteria would survive in the same way the current ones do. Either the Listerene doesn't kill them all, and they just repopulate from what survives, or the population gets replaced from outside (like from putting your fingers in your mouth).

    Either way, if the new bacteria outcompete the old bacteria (which is the requirment for ensuring that they will take over your mouth), then the new bacteria will probably be better able to survive a Listerene attack than the old one.

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  13. Re:Effects? by Atrahasis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    More importantly, hows it going to affect a breathaliser test?

  14. Sugar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Americans eat over 100 lbs. of sugar a year, compared with only 12 pounds in 1900. Maybe the reason we need to keep finding ways to clean our teeth is because we're constantly rotting them out of our heads with our sugar-laden American diet. The overconsumption of sugar also leads to osteoporosis and diabetes.

    1. Re:Sugar by kroymen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention that in 1900 our diets contained much more concentrated sources of the nutrients that help our bodies to both modulate infections and re-mineralize dental caries. Neither of these phenomena is really recognized by the current medical or dental establishment, yet both exist. This is also tightly coupled to the exploding rates of osteoporosis...it's not as simple as chewing a nummy viactive calcium chew or popping a pill...

      We also have less well-developed teeth now than we once did for the same reasons mentioned above. This also contributes to decay since we have poorer enamel and crooked, crowded teeth that are predisposed to harboring food and bacteria.

      Get a copy of the somewhat dated but still invaluable "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" by Dr Weston A. Price...but check your biases at the front cover if you're a vegetarian...

  15. Re:What do you get instead of lactic acid? by loydcc · · Score: 2, Funny
    I wish we had symbiotic bacteria that would live in me and feed me with all sorts of cool drugs. Immagine if athletes foot fungus could produce psilocibin and put it directly into the blood stream. Or if the flu got you high. It would be like a man having big breasts. I'd never leave the house.

    It would also make antidrug laws a moot point. No honest officer I swear I got high by accident. I picked up this jock itch that causes ergotamine poisoning. Look at all the colors.

  16. Good, now can they make this? by PD · · Score: 3, Funny

    How about a variety of bacteria that doesn't produce scatane when it digests food? That would be wonderful. I would suggest that it could make some nice ketones instead, so our farts could smell like bananas or something.

  17. Re:Effects? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2

    Contrary to popular belief, alcohol breath tests (in the US, anyway) do not detect the presence of alcohol itself, but a metabolized result - excess CO2 in the breath, I think.

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