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802.11b on your Tivo

Otto writes: "Those who don't regularly read the Tivo Community Forums may not know that a 802.11b wireless adapter for the Tivo, called AirNet, is in the works. It's being made by jafa, who also created the TurboNet card, a similar device to the TivoNet adapters available at 9thTee but faster. Long story short, he's auctioning off 4 beta boards of the AirNet adapter for the Tivo and giving the proceeds to the Elf Foundation, a group which brings Home Theater to ill children by setting up mini-theaters in children's hospitals nationwide. Good fun techie geek stuff, and for charity too! You can't beat that. The auction is here on ebay." Looks like the guy's home page is silicondust.com.

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  1. Once all sold.... by RobertTaylor · · Score: 2

    Flogging 4 items may not take long, so perhaps donate direct to http://www.elfsystems.org instead?

  2. Does this mean.. by Sarlok · · Score: 4, Funny

    .. that I can connect my Tivo to my neighbor's network and force him to watch Pauly Shore movies?

    1. Re:Does this mean.. by curunir · · Score: 4, Funny

      Technically: Probably
      Under the DMCA: Probably Not
      Under the Geneva Convention: Expressly Forbidden

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  3. Re:MPAA by fishebulb · · Score: 2

    they took a couple of small day care centers to court for "public viewing" of the little mermaid. not to mention i have quite a few cds that around the edge of it specifically prohibits "loaning of cds"

  4. Okay, so maybe I'm being stupid but... by darien · · Score: 3, Informative

    Err, why is this such a great thing? I mean, obviously it is - there are people on the forum mentioned above saying that the guy who did this is a "deity" and so forth. But none of them actually seems to have said what they intend to do with wireless, and I have to say it's not obvious to me what a Tivo and a PC could usefully have to say to each other.

    Can anyone who knows a bit more about the Tivo enlighten me?

    1. Re:Okay, so maybe I'm being stupid but... by ry4an · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd rather use ethernet, but if you're trying to keep a cord free house I guess this could be useful. The networking additions for the TiVos allow you to access the mpeg video from your PC -- which makes it easy to share or archive them.

    2. Re:Okay, so maybe I'm being stupid but... by popular · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For starters, a LAN Internet connection would seem adequate enough for the programming updates it normally does via dialup. If you don't have a land line, I can see this as being a big deal. Second, if you don't want to run Cat5 from your home theater to your wiring closet/office/whatever, you don't have to anymore.

    3. Re:Okay, so maybe I'm being stupid but... by klieber · · Score: 2

      For one, it offers limitless storage capacity since you can now copy files to your hard drive. (and burn them to cd/dvd/etc.) A lot of Tivos, especially earlier ones, had smaller hard drives and weren't useful for long-term storage. Now, that problem is solved.

      Two, it allows you to access data stored on your tivo from other PCs in your house.

      Three, it's just plain cool. :)

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    4. Re:Okay, so maybe I'm being stupid but... by prockcore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      well i don't know about you, but I don't have a phone jack right next to my TV. And my wife frowns on my stringing phone cord throughout the house.

      So I have two choices... use one of those horrible "add an extention" plugs that plugs into a power socket, or use 802.11b capabilities.

    5. Re:Okay, so maybe I'm being stupid but... by onethumb · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sure, here's a quick rundown:

      #1 - No more phone line needed. The TiVo can get it's next 14 days worth of programming via the 802.11b card and PPP.

      #2 - You can install a web server on your TiVo and browse through the TiVo's menus over the web. This includes scheduling show recordings while you're at work, for example.

      #3 - You can backup shows on your TiVo to your computer rather than to VHS. You can also stream the shows to your PC to watch them there, rather than on your TV.

      I'm sure there are plenty more, but those are the biggies.

      Great stuff!

      Don

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    6. Re:Okay, so maybe I'm being stupid but... by LoadStar · · Score: 2, Informative

      This guy is considered a deity over there because not only has he managed to produce an 802.11b (good grief, I hate the WiFi brand name) card adapter for the TiVo, he's also managed to produce a 10/100-base-T ethernet card (not just an adapter, an original card from scratch) for the TiVo - all within the span of a few months.

      Adapters for the TiVo existed to allow one to plug an ISA NE-2000 NIC into one's TiVo, but they were only OK because they were a 2 piece unit (adapter and card) which adds an additional point of failure, not to mention they were only 10-base-T and used an NE-2000 driver for that card that only worked so-so.

      I'm pretty sure if you come up with an idea card that can plug into the diagnostic slot on the Series 1 TiVos, and can seriously explain how it could be useful, this guy could make it.

  5. Re:MPAA by curunir · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not that they ever come off looking good anyways, but it'd be fun to see them try to villainize terminally-ill children.

    "Your honor...don't let their ventilators, bald heads and palid complexions fool you...those children represent a huge menace to society."

    I'm not sure even a lawyer could say that with a straight face.

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  6. Cable Relay, Perhaps? by Mithrandur · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even not knowing the video format, how hard could it be to hack two tivos such that one broadcasts the data it's storing over the wireless link, and the other stores said data. Combine that with a good antenna, and one guy on the block could provide cable for everyone.

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    1. Re:Cable Relay, Perhaps? by Soko · · Score: 2


      ...and one guy on the block could provide cable for everyone.

      Look out your window, bud. Do you see the black car? That's the FBI. They'd like to speak to you.

      Soko

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      "Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
  7. Home theatres for ill children? by iReflect · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I might get modded down as a troll for this, but...
    Isn't this charity kind of frivolous?

    <sarcasm>Forget homeless/starving/victims of war, we need to make sure sick american kids can watch "dude, where's my car?" in surround sound.</sarcasm>

    1. Re:Home theatres for ill children? by curunir · · Score: 3, Funny

      <sarcasm>Forget homeless/starving/victims of war, we need to make sure sick american kids can watch "dude, where's my car?" in surround sound.</sarcasm>

      You're right...we definitely need charities to help homeless/starving/victims of war watch "dude, where's my car?" in surround sound too.

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    2. Re:Home theatres for ill children? by kindbud · · Score: 2

      Isn't your question kind of frivolous? Does everybody have to work on the most pressing social problems (and who gets to say what is most pressing)?

      That EFF charity thing seems kinda frivolous to me too, in light of war, hunger, suffering... much more important stuff than YRO.

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    3. Re:Home theatres for ill children? by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      I might get modded down as a troll for this, but...Isn't this charity kind of frivolous?

      Forget homeless/starving/victims of war, we need to make sure sick american kids can watch "dude, where's my car?" in surround sound.


      Yeah, who cares if terminally ill children have fun before they die, anyway?

      But that drunken bum who's starving because he spent his last 50 cents on a bottle of Schlitz -- yeah, I think I'm gonna help him out.

      P.S. I give money to bums if they are physically or mentally challenged.

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      "And like that ... he's gone."
  8. Elf Foundation by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the Elf Foundation homepage:
    Elf Foundation, a newly-formed non-profit charity organization comprised of consumer and professional electronic dealers, manufacturers, manufacturer's representatives, media and industry organizations, working together for the express purpose of designing and installing entertainment and Internet-based educational systems in Children's Hospitals and ancillary facilities around the country.

    They accept donations here.

    (Because I had no idea what is was either.
  9. Ethernet-802.11b by dtfarmer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When will someone get on the ball and just develop an Ethernet->802.11b adapter that can be pugged in to any device that has standard 10/100 Ethernet jack so it could be put on a Wireless network?

    Is this just an impossibility? Am I the only one who thinks this would be a hot seller? I want to buy a new ReplayTV 4000, but I have no desire to run Cat5 to it. I want to eliminate extra wiring hassle from my home theater.

    Ah, well - probably just a pipe dream.

    1. Re:Ethernet-802.11b by zaf · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's called an 802.11 bridge, and they've been available since the beginning. They're just a bit expensive, and if you think about it, if you've got a wire and all anyway, why not just run it to the hub?

    2. Re:Ethernet-802.11b by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Informative

      It used to be the only one was Lucent's Orinoco/EC - very expensive and not in stores.

      There is now a product from Buffalo Technology which does this, call the Airstation Bridge

      A lot of people are using these with our ethernet MP3 player. Everybody says the Airstation works great, and it's only about $160. I can't say I've used one yet, myself.

    3. Re:Ethernet-802.11b by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      That's called an 802.11 bridge, and they've been available since the beginning. They're just a bit expensive

      Not much more than good WiFi card. Look at the linksys WAP11.

      and if you think about it, if you've got a wire and all anyway, why not just run it to the hub?

      There's a difference between a wire that's 1' long, and a wire that's 80' long to reach my hub across the house!

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  10. Somewhat Offtopic by kwishot · · Score: 2

    I realize that this is a somewhat offtopic question, but does anyone know why 802.11a, or 802.11anything-but-b equipment is not out yet? If I remember correctly, 802.11a goes 54mbps full duplex, as opposed to the current 11mbps on 802.11b.
    I don't know about you guys, but the idea that something faster exists and should be accessible is what's keeping me from buying anything wireless right now.

    -kwishot

  11. 802.11whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The card itself is just a tivo->PCMCIA(cardbus?) bridge. It should support any flavor wireless you want to stick in it. The enabling factor here is the Prism2 driver software. What would kick some serious ass is if he'd slap on a nic too. That way you could have your tivo and AP in the same box... hack on an antenna and an amp and you'd have a seriously cool broadcasting rig. Keep your power below 1w and nobody's gonna bug you.

  12. Another option by tswinzig · · Score: 2

    For those that already purchased TivoNet or TurboNet... I read that you can buy the WAP11 from linksys, run the ethernet from your TivoNet/TurboNet into the WAP11, and set it up so that it acts like a client instead of a normal wireless hub... connecting to your real hub. Since I have a couple items in my living room that can be internet connected, I was looking into this. I wonder if you can connect a regular ethernet hub into the WAP11, and then run all your devices into the hub. Or is the WAP11 limited to one IP address negotiation...

    WAP11

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    "And like that ... he's gone."
  13. Re:MPAA by fishebulb · · Score: 2

    i wasnt saying that, but they have a habit of deciding what they think is legal/illegal, and they have a bite behind that bark

  14. Re:Damned Phone by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's your own fault anyway. Tivo's should be rackmounted, where you don't have to worry about such things. Personally, I'm getting at least 3 DirecTivo's and turbonets, and rackmounting them. Don't have to have big hard drives either, just enough to do 10 hours or so. When it's full, archive them to my fibre channel raid, and switch over to #2 or #3 for the 15 minutes it will take to empty the hard drive. Then it's ready again. As far as watching, I've already got plenty of rg6 out to the living room, I'll just move the signal to the TV with that, and have IR repeaters for the remote control. If I need to record more shows concurrently, add another to the rack. If I need more storage, add more FC drives to the raid. Never worry about blessing drives and all that nonsense. Now if we could just manage to get pitou source hosted somewhere again, without the sharks mauling it...

    Oh, and Jafa, if you ever read this, I like your design skills, but why the rj45 on the card itself? A 10 pin male header, so that you could move the jack off the board via ribbon cable would have been ideal. Snaking cat5 into the chassis is just tacky.

  15. Re:Damned Phone by 1010011010 · · Score: 2

    I'm going out on a limb here, but...

    I think you might watch too much TV.

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  16. TiVo and ripping..... by jsimon12 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Until the TiVo ripping software is a little more advanced and doesn't desync the audio quite as frequently as I have seemed to experianced for the most part (or is it cause I only record in Basic?) a wireless card will be of little value.

    My other concern is the TiVo's total lack of security, with my wired network card in my TiVo I can have it behind a firewall or direct linked to my system, wireless TiVo would let anyone and their brother into it.

  17. Re:Extending the RJ45 jack by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

    I hardly consider a 8 or 10 pin male header "yet another interface". Especially when it would still be easy for people like us to make the internal ribbon cable. A second rj45 works, but that's just one more in what could be a long line of them. For me, this is gonna be in the computer room, so it's a straight cable to the switch, but for other's the thing is in the living room. That's 1 internal rj45, 1 external, 1 living room wall, 1 more on the far side, and finally one on the switch. I count 6. It's probably a small or even non-existent difference between 5 and 6, but one less is still good, and it would have cost him nothing design-wise. All we really need, is a decent way to mod the back panel... short of pressing a new one. I hesitate to butcher stuff with my dremel, you know.

  18. One or the other by Otto · · Score: 2

    To be sure, you can configure quite a lot of access point devices as bridges (including the WAP11), but not as both bridges and access points at the same time. Just clarifying.

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