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New Nokia Phones - with Java
scrm writes: "Nokia just released a slew of new phones at CEBIT. Among them are two phones - a full-color phone and a cheap n' cheerful model - both of whose software can be upgraded with Java applications." And Haggis writes "Nokia are to use the Opera browser in the latest incarnation of their everything-plus-the-kitchen-sink mobile phone, the 9210i. Oh, and it will run Java applets too."
i wonder how long it will be before we are able to play multiplayer games via a PDA. that way they will really be nice to have. you could have deathmatches with just some people you meet on the train or so.
These are the things that are important to a geek. Not "snap on colours" and "colourful wallpapers". Gah. Fancy pandering to the mass market *again*.
It makes (at least) 6 months since SIM cards with java have been shipped to customer (in Europe).
So, it is already there in many phones and peoples already made some applets for them
#include "coucou.h"
I for one cannot wait for an application that makes Nokia phones auto-lock the keypad after a certain period of inactivity.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
The phones out in Japan have large color screens, and the latest generation have cameras built in to them so you can take a picture and email it to someone! I believe you can also take stills and transmit them to the person on the other end of the call (something like once every 7 seconds). Also, take the train.. everyone is sitting there doing email (in Kanji none-the-less!). Still have yet to see that here as widespread as it is there.
And I thought I was so cool when I bought my new phone a few months ago..
Never hit your grandmother with a shovel, for it leaves a bad impression on her mind...
Like ease of use, or form follows function? Looks like a nice phone, but that keypad layout blows. I can't imagine dialing that thing without having to look at the phone while you dial. Annoying.
"If you're thinking what I'm thinking, you're right." -
Let's use 6 year old terminology shall we?
The Nokia 7210 and 3410 will both most likely be using Java 2 Micro Edition (J2ME) which is a subset of Java that runs on low power devices. They'll be able to run "midlets" which are like applets in the sense that they run in a sandbox, but don't derive from the Applet class and are made to run in low memory and be connected via wireless connections. It'll be good for small connected apps like stock quotes, email, and games. But with no support for multimedia now (sound) don't expect these games to be anything amazing.
The Nokia 9210i runs on Symbian which is a full-fledged 32 bit OS derived from the EPOC platform. The Java integration in Symbian is based on Personal Java, but the Symbian guys have integrated Java deeply in the OS, which means you can access all the same APIs and functionality as you can with C++ programming. These will run pretty much full-fledged Java apps (based on a modified JDK 1.1 spec) and can't be compared to applets at all.
-Russ
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Why? Well, most phones I've ever tried have been poor. Poor build quality, particularly in regard to securing the battery connection. Average to poor interfaces (how long before someone finally adds 'Reply and erase' to their SMS options?). Poor damage resistance. Ill-thought out, unprotected keypads that are pressed by anything leaning against them whilst in your pocket, the synchronisation software that comes with them tends to be poor...
OK, so the 'lock keypad' function is used to get round one of those moans. But that's extra hassle - one more step for me to take to compensate for their poor designs.
I'm on my fourth, and best, mobile at the moment. It's one step back (possibly even two steps now) from Nokia's latest stuff - the 8850. Solves my annoyance with the keypad, but still the screen is too easily scratched, still the SMS side of things remains ill-thought out, and the PC Suite for it is hopelessly out of date and utterly useless.
Whilst Java phones sound nice (I'm a primarily Java-based developer by trade), I'd sacrifice the entire lot for an industrial design that works as a basic phone without falling apart.
Cheers,
Ian
I've been waiting for this for a while
:)
According to the site, the phones will be running J2ME (Micro Edition), and personal applications can be downloaded.
The best part is that they've reserved 150kb memory on the phones for these personal applications. Should definitely be fun to try.
I only wonder how decent the garbage collector is
You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
Anyone find it ironic that most of these phones are available in Africa prior to the US? Now, I'll bet that basically means South Africa and maybe some of the horn-area urban centers, but still.
I for one, think it's heartening. In 100 years, the so-called "dark continent" could be a major center for tech, if they can get some decent leadership in place and stop all the civil wars.
Howard Dean for president
Nextel's i90c has ability to run java apps & download new apps. Yesterday I had minesweeper on my phone, then I installed paddleball onto my phone, with a quick download on my phone. The "cooler" games you actually have to purchase. They keep track of what you have purchased online, so if you had to uninstall something because you ran out of space, you can allways re-install it later, all via your phone.
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http://www.nextel.com/kjavaapps/javaapps_index.
Not a bad little phone, needs a bit longer standy time though
This is kool and the gang (esp. since I'm a java developer), but according to the website only the 6310i and the 7210 claim to actually work in America. They are GSM-only to boot, which means you'll have to find a GSM carrier in your area that has roaming partners where you travel. GSM is just getting a foothold in the US while in other parts of the world it's the dominant network infrastructure.
Now I know how folks that had a clost full of Laserdisc movies felt when DVD finally came out.
it's not going to stop until you wise up, no it's not going to stop. so just give up.
Not only are these phones going to probably have the wait you mention, they are probably not going to hit US shores for a long long time (if ever).
IMHO, Samsung and Sanyo actually release phones that are cool without too much hype. Nokia has become a "designer brand" that people in the US pay for just to have, even if the technology is outdated by the time they get to the US.
The new RIM Blackberry already does this (ie, has java built in)... they tout it as Java-Based BlackBerry Handheld With Integrated Phone for GSM/GPRS Networks in North America, which is great because Nokia usually starts a launch of products in Europe/Asia, and living in North America I can get my hand on one of these java-based babies sooner.
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I figured this is EXACTLY what you need.
:o)
http://www.nokia.com/phones/6250/index.html
Enjoy
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"Appplets"? Will they be sandboxed to only be able to send data to the phone number they came from? :0
Seriously, I just saw someone above mention 'stock quotes' and 'email'. Do we not already have enough devices to do this? Can no one come up with any other app besides 'stock quotes'?
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Weird, isn't it?
The society with the greatest lust for cellphones is still stuck with old technology. So, what that means is geeks like me living in the US who desperately want to ditch their crappy Audiovox cellies for something that I can develop on (like the Nokia Java phones) have to wait because the big cellular providers/FCC/government spooks/whoever won't go GSM like the rest of the world.
Oh well--I guess that still provides me with an opportunity to ask: Are there any US-capable cell phones (not Nextel--those guys are evil) that are developer friendly? I'd love to spend time writing little phone apps, and I remember seeing an article in Game Developer magazine about the coming craze of mobile gaming. Is there a phone which will let me get in on this here?
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Looks like it fits my durability bill. Keyboard moan still stands, and having owned a 6210 I imagine that the SMS and synchronisation moans remain too.
Looks heavy too. And ugly. Ah well - trade offs, trade offs...
Cheers,
Ian
This is one of those examples of why its great to have a cell phone in the US. Since every carrier uses a different signal setup, Nokia, and every other phone maker can't just make one phone and sell it everywhere. Since they have to enter into agreements with the wireless carriers (!) and make phones especially for a particular carrier we'll get these phones years after the rest of the world. Oh, and it will be more expensive to boot! So take a long look, and start waiting.
Should have called the portable Java VM "Cupholder".
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Let's not stir that bag of worms...
Yep.
;)
But also 'traditionnal' P2P applications (like sharing
and hopefully, there's an option (at least on my phone) which makes that any action on/with the SIM card has to be acknowledged manually.
#include "coucou.h"
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- I bastun bor vi allihopa (The Swedish codename of GNOME)
- Hej, det här är Linus Torvalds och jag uttalar Linux 'Linux'. (He is from Finland and Swedish is his mother tongue)
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I can't believe AT&T wireless spent all that money on the mlife campaign without releasing any new phones. I've been an AT&T customer for many years now; their flagship phone is the nokia 8260 which has been available for over 2 years! You think AT&T's marketing department would have enough sense to introduce new phones during the campaign, especially since the 8260 is what drove a lot of consumers their way since everyone wants to have the smallest phone. Look at a company like Nextel, people switch to Nextel specifically for the phones and features.
The Kyocera smartphone has a full pilot OS and functionality in it, so you can develop on your phone now!
I have one of these goodies and like it (only have to carry one widget instead of two) but the phone/pilot integration is not as good as it should be.
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Damn the US phone companies and their non-standard technologies!
DAMN THEM TO HELL!!!
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Motorola i85s, i55sr, i90c, i50sx, i80s.
Yes, but They make you jump through hoops first.
These kind of features are the reason I don't own a cell phone, and make my friends turn them off around me.
Great. I can't wait to get killed because some moron is blowing down the highway and can't be bothered to look up because he's on a hot streak after getting a double-railing. "(Sarcasm) Where can I sign up?"
Really. I would like to take my E-mail with me. Good idea. Sell me that. Make it small so people can't read it while driving.
It bothers the heck out of me when I see someone having a long, loud, boring conversation in the open air about his personal business all around me. Slowing down the grocery line, yammering about god knows what, making it impossible to reach for their wallet or purse, screeching away at the top of their lungs and ignoring everyone around them. Nowadays, even friends have no sense of priority. I take the time to visit a friend, then some jacksmack calls and hijacks their time for a half-hour while I stare at the ceiling. Why? Because in this society the cell phone is more importanst than any person sitting in front of you. Cell phones are the death of gentility and manners. Every personal cell phone call is more important than anything else. Period.
I carry a pager. I don't have to answer. I still get to friends and parties. They can even let me know if it is an emergency.
I drive professionally for about half of my day. I would say that a good 95% of the people that don't let me in traffic while my on-ramp is quickly ending on me are on phones. They can't be bothered to watch for other drivers... 'they' have a conversation to attend to, which is obviously much more important than that tractor-trailer next to you.
I actually saw a woman a month ago doing seventy on a city interstate bridge ramp dictating legal documents over a cell phone while changing lanes. For the first time ever... I actually wanted to see her vault off of the ramp and disappear into the river before she caused negligent homicide.
I like Darwin just fine. But I didn't choose to yack at someone in the middle of traffic. I expect to not die for these kinds of selfish mistakes.
New York has it right. Knowing New Yorkers and the way they are to their fellow man, you had to pass a law or risk EVERYONE getting killed on the highway.
It's true, most phones are really badly designed, and not too well made. I've tried many, but keep going back to my old Star-Tac. I'm also a Java developer, and a usability specialist.
Forget all this Java/web stuff. What I really want is a pocketable phone that's waterproof!
The hoops are for writing network-aware MIDlets. If your MIDlet is standalone, you can develop it and offer it to others without much trouble.
Unfortunately, MIDlets that use the networking API are more restricted at the moment. North American carriers only seem to allow non-developers to install network-aware MIDlets from the carriers' sites. In the case of Nextel, they require developers to go through expensive certification before they'll make your MIDlets available to general users.
The good news is that the rest of the world is more free. You can develop network-aware MIDlets and offer them to users of the Motorola Accompli 008 and Siemens SL45i. No hoops to jump through, just some uncertainty since these devices aren't available in North America so you can't really test on them (although there's a simulator for the SL45i).
My phone has some very basic PDA features as well - a simple appointment reminder. They work very well. I see no reason why more elaborate features wouldn't be even more useful.
Finally, tetris is *always* useful :)
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Quick answers.
.au is a GSM country, no), yes, you can buy any prepaid card and put it in your phone and it will work (that's what I do between .ch and .be)
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1. GSM -> GSM specifications -> SIM cards + Mobile phone (or pcmcia card or whatever) in order to have a mobile terminal
2. If you've got a GSM phone (I think
3. For the USA, well, you'll have to find a GSM network, prior to do that
#include "coucou.h"