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Fujitsu Announces XScale PDA

Andrew Slough writes: "Fujitsu has announced the world's first PDA based on Intel's XScale architecture, making this the fastest ARM PDA in the world! Stories also at at Infosync and The Register. Pictures at PocketNow."

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  1. Some info about the XScale processors here by eples · · Score: 5, Informative


    Fujitsu's press release just said the chip was "high-performance", and after some digging I turned up this article which tells us that the Intel PXA250 can run at speeds as high as 400MHz. An excerpt:

    Designed for advanced PDAs, the PXA250 is available at speeds of 200MHz, 300MHz, and 400MHz. While designed for low power, the PXA250 offers a Turbo Mode for application acceleration and multimedia acceleration with Intel Media Processing technology. USB, 920Kbps Bluetooth wireless, and a 1.84MHz baseband interface are offered as communication interfaces, and an enhanced memory support 2.5 volt or 3.3 volt 16-bit or 32-bit memory.

    I feel so Dirty.

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    1. Re:Some info about the XScale processors here by geirt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why not go directly to the source:

      http://developer.intel.com/design/intelxscale/

      Here is the info on the PXA250 CPU .

      You will find specs, datasheets and all the goodies.

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  2. Old news... by brogdon · · Score: 4, Informative

    The LOOX was announced weeks ago. Brighthand already had a forum up for it in February. Toshiba also announced their next PocketPC (XScale processor and embedded 802.11b included) last month.

    A month behind the times? That's just shameful guys.

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  3. Re:arg! by pslam · · Score: 4, Informative
    XScale is *not* StrongARM, StrongARM is *not* ARM. So, calling this the fastest ARM PDA in the world is *incorrect* !

    While the core is very different to current "ARM" cores, the instruction set and patents are licensed from ARM. It runs ARM instructions natively. Saying it's not an ARM is like saying an Athlon isn't an x86 processor.

    It's basically an ARM9 core with the pipeline extended a bit and a DSP MAC unit bolted on the side. This equates to slightly faster than StrongARM speeds (per MHz) on most code, and maybe double on DSP.

  4. Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can't *one* of these PocketPC-driven PDAs have a decent sized screen at 480@320? Or does the PocketPC spec require 320@240? Anyone know?

    You can still have a small-enough device with a slightly bigger screen. But with one, you can potentially raise the usefulness of it. Am I the only one that uses a PDA for more than a datebook? Am I the only one who reads a lot of text, or takes a substantial amount of actual notes (not just quick jots)?

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    1. Re:Why the small screen? by brogdon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Erm no, you can't. With technology where it is today in terms of miniaturization, there is no "extra" space for a bigger screen. Have you ever taken apart an iPaq? There's not exactly a ton of room in there.

      Most people want a PDA form factor that will either a) fit into a pants pocket or b) fit into a sport coat's pocket easily. There's just no room in devices of that size for a bigger screen right now.

      The tech's only going to get better, though, and the Sony units that have a clamshell design are a step in the right direction. In the meantime, if you're dying for a bigger screen, just get a true palmtop like the Libretto that Toshiba used to put out. Several ocmpanies still make comparable units, and they all have nice big screens.

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    2. Re:Why the small screen? by szcx · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Can't *one* of these PocketPC-driven PDAs have a decent sized screen at 480@320?
      How about 1024x768. It's kind of neat running a Jornada 565 at that resolution, but not very practical.
    3. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Informative

      Erm no, you can't. With technology where it is today in terms of miniaturization, there is no "extra" space for a bigger screen. Have you ever taken apart an iPaq? There's not exactly a ton of room in there.

      Erm, yes. I'm not talking about putting an extra screen *inside* an iPAQ. When LCDs get bigger, they don't generally get deeper, they get longer and wider. An iPAQ with a bigger screen would be taller and wider, but only by a couple inches or so. Not everyone would want to carry around a PDA that's that big, but I'm better that there are others who would find it to be a suitable trade off for having a screen that's twice as big.

      In the meantime, if you're dying for a bigger screen, just get a true palmtop like the Libretto that Toshiba used to put out.

      I don't want a palmtop PC. I want a PDA, sans keyboard, that has a screen of a decent size to use HWR for taking notes. I still use my Newton, and will do so until I find a PDA with a screen that's big enough. I don't want to use some piddly little keyboard either, I've found HWR is faster.

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    4. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Having the same size screen with a higher resolution and DPI wouldn't cut it either. It still doesn't increase the area on which I have to write on the screen, for real HWR. If anything else, I'd rather have a lower DPI screen at the same (320@240) resolution.

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  5. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by costas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since I am in the market to replace my Vx, here's what I like about the Loox: SD and CF card slots (instead of just CF like HP, or just SD like Palm/Compaq or MemoryStick like Sony), jog dial (only Sony and Handspring), Color QVGA screen (only PocketPC), integrated Bluetooth (only Compaq).

    However, the most serious spec is missing: size. I like the iPaq, but it's too big for carrying around everywhere. If this thing is close to the T- or N- series Clie in size, I'll be first in line to get one.

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  7. Re:the new sony is 320x480 by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've never run it myself for an extended period of time, but played with it on my own and other iPAQs. I wasn't impressed. I could get an entire distro, sure, but what does that get me? It was designed for running on a PDA, and it shows. It does do the extra things that software running on a PDA should, to make the experience more coherent. It's an expensive toy. A fun one for many people, I do not doubt it. Because of this, I'm working on my own PDA environment (Dynapad) this summer. If may not be what you want, but it's what I want. out of a PDA. A software system that is personal and dynamic for a PDA, not just a port from the desktop, with the addition of a floating soft-keyboard.

    Having character recognition like on Palm OS isn't *real* HWR. Graffiti and xscribble are *character (or glyph) recognition* schemes not handwriting recognition.

    Real HWR is the HWR that can be found on the Newton, or WinCE devices using Transcriber or CalliGrapher. That is, I write on the screen in my real handwriting and it translates it to text. It's quite a bit faster and more natural than using a CR scheme like Graffiti. And Linux doesn't have it, making it a waste of time for a PDA platform for me.

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  8. Re:I prefer my Newton. by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My Apple Newton MessagePad 2000 has real handwriting recognition, whereas Micro$oft Winblows CE (note clever use of subliminal imagery) does not.

    Except for the fact that there is free software available from Microsoft called Transcriber (or Calligrapher) that does give you true handwriting recognition on the Pocket PC

    My Apple Newton MessagePad 2000 has a PCMCIA (Personal Computer Memory Card International Association) slot for easy expansion, whereas those dolts at "Fu" "jitsu" didn't put one in to their so-called "innovative" "PDA." Nice try, guys. While you're listening to "digital music", I'll be surfing the Internet using a real web browser and getting e-mail on a large screen.

    Most Pocket PCs include a Compact Flash Type I/II slot which means that we can add wireless NICs, modems, digital cameras, micro-drives, etc., just in a slightly different (smaller) format that what you use.

    I am boycotting Micro$oft, but I am not boycotting Apple. Another plus for me!

    Well good for you...

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  9. The real strength of the XScale is not the speed.. by waytoomuchcoffee · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...that's gravy. It's strength is its power consumption.

    The Xscale at 200Mhz will be using about 50mW, about the same as a Palm processor runs at now. Compare to the current StrongARM, which at 233Mhz (a slightly overclocked Ipaq) sucks down 900mw. The Xscale will be 15x or so less power-hungry than the StrongARM at 200.

    Or in other words, for the same power you get 5.4 mips with a 33 MHz Palm vs. over 300 mips for a Xscale.

    It also has an advantage as it "scales" what it needs depending on the app, hence the name. So if you are running a memopad type function, it will need less power, and if you are running Quake or something, it will go full-bore. Think of it as intelligent underclocking when needed.

    So in summary, the Xscale can have the computing power of a current Ipaq (more actually, they tweaked the core), at the same power consumption as a Palm (or much less depending on what types of apps you run). At 400Mhz, it will use about 3x the power of a Palm processor, but this will still be 5-6x less power than the StrongARM running at half the speed.