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Fujitsu Announces XScale PDA

Andrew Slough writes: "Fujitsu has announced the world's first PDA based on Intel's XScale architecture, making this the fastest ARM PDA in the world! Stories also at at Infosync and The Register. Pictures at PocketNow."

111 comments

  1. fp? by Luke+SkyTroller · · Score: -1

    is it?

    1. Re:fp? by Adolf+Hitroll · · Score: -1

      It looks like.
      Are you a genuine aryan troll ?

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    2. Re:fp? by Luke+SkyTroller · · Score: -1

      Blonde hair, blues eyes, of Nordic decent and generally have a problem with anyone named Hebber Goldgemdiamondstone. Do these traits place me in that category?

    3. Re:fp? by Adolf+Hitroll · · Score: -1

      Do you prefer your meat roasted or smoked ?

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  2. Calculus Henry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    He got real big on integrals.
    Thanks to volumes he's a smaller size.

  3. frost piss! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!

  4. Battery Life by Yoda2 · · Score: 1

    I didn't see any mention of battery life. I would imagine that the color display will reduce it significantly.

    1. Re:Battery Life by Subliminal+Fusion · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then you must not have read the post at pocketnow. It's got a lithium-polymer battery that lets it run for 14 hours.

    2. Re:Battery Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pocket now spec'd it out at 14 hours (Li-Polymer)

    3. Re:Battery Life by ultraw · · Score: 1

      It is stated in press announcement at the Fujitsu site (the first link of this story)...:

      "Pocket LOOX utilizes a high-performance Intel PXA250
      Applications Processor and boasts advanced high-speed network
      connectivity functions as well as very long battery life."

      What "very long battery life" is expressed in days, hours or years, that is up to Fujitsu... It will also depend on the applications you run on the PDA.

    4. Re:Battery Life by Yoda2 · · Score: 1

      I tried a few times, but the PocketNow link was /.ed. 14 hours is pretty impressive. Thanks!

    5. Re:Battery Life by LinuxInDallas · · Score: 1

      Some people have replied that they claim a 14 hour battery life. That is a hell of a lot more than the current line of Pocket PC devices. Does anyone know how they achieved such a long battery life? I know Li-Polymer is supposed to be superior to Li-Ion but surely not by a factor of 2 or 3?

  5. WOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Submit contacts and memos FASTER THAN EVER BEFORE!

    just be sure to carry a UPS with you, or else your little toy will die before you get home.

  6. The Persistence of Memory by BankofAmerica_ATM · · Score: -1

    Across the room, the dancer danced. I saw her. Men swarmed around her, queueing up to distribute their dollar bills. I trotted towards the dancer, paying careful attention to the protocol that governed the dancer/patron interaction.

    As I gazed at the rapidly blinking lights, I began to experience a stabbing sensation in my temple. The pain was excruciating, and I collapsed to one knee as the following message scrolled past my CONSCIOUSNESS-BUFFER:

    ...touchthegirl touchthegirl touchthegirl touchthegirl touchthegirl touchthegirl touchthegirl touchthegirl ...

    The pain continued in short jolts, and the body continued to move towards the dancer. Suddenly, I realized that it was not me who was urging the body forward. Yet it continued to move at breakneck speed towards the dancer. I saw her mouth open wide as both of Atkins' hands reached out and grasped her breasts. But I felt nothing, as it seemed that sensation had left me. Angry noises swirled around me, and feeling slowly returned.

    The floor was damp and cold on the side of my cheek and a warm, dull pain was running through my back. Someone was sitting on me.

    "Sir, sir, are you listening?" I could move again-I struggled to right myself. "Sir, I am going to let you up, and you are leaving this establishment. You leave right away, or we are calling the cops."

    "Get up!" the person sitting on my back finally relented, and I stood up, trying to turn around, but he gripped my arms tightly and continued to push me towards the door.

    "-a mistake! He didn't know! He's a foreigner!" another voice-this one was Krantz. He did not seem happy. "Hey! He's Canadian!" The grip on my arm relaxed a bit. I breathed and scanned myself for errant processes. I could determine nothing unusual on the digital side of my consciousness. What had happened to me? I craned my next to see Mr. Krantz, who seemed to be on the losing end of a conversation with the man who was trying to eject me.

    "-I'm sorry sir, your friend is gonna have to learn a little more respect before we let him back in here." With that, the man gave me one final shove through the door. A sweaty Krantz followed me out, gasping his hot breath into the chill night air.

    "What happened to you in there?" Krantz puffed. His arms shifted into place, making an odd humming sound. "We were supposed to be having a carefree, hedonistic romp!" I was unable to answer. Krantz turned away momentarily, as if he were searching for something his jacket.

    "I didn't want to do this already, but..."

    I was unable to hear the end of this sentence, because after hearing a dull metallic thud, I suddenly lost contact with the body as of 16:43:04 CST.

    Unable to access the body's senses, I waited in limbo until 17:35:47 CST, when I began to hear faint noises, as if they were coming through a wall. The noise became clearer and more distinct...it was a familiar voice. Krantz's. He was muttering something over the phone, as my heavy lids drew up and the blurs converged to form his back. I visually scanned the area-a bed, chair, small table, loud air conditioner-drawing it against my reserves of human data, I concluded that it was some sort of motel.

    As I attempted to stand up, two bungie cords restricted my arms. I must have groaned.

    "Ah," said Krantz, covering the telephone's receiver with his right hand. "You're up." Without speaking, he hung up the phone and turned my way, jumping towards me on the bed, so he was right on top of me, glaring straight into my face. I began to wonder how much longer I could possibly survive.

    "Okay, well, I just talked our old boss, and he says that you didn't contact him after the job. So you're either the computer, or you've gone rogue," said Krantz nonchalantly, as he snorted more of his sour white powder. "He doesn't care which. But he wants you dead. And that will be very, very, good for me."

    I struggled against my bonds, but to no avail. Krantz eyed me and sneered. "I have to know one thing first...are you really Atkins, or the computer?" He was quite interested in my origin; however, I noticed that he was more interested in himself. Perhaps I could use that fact to my advantage...

    "You seem to feel very strongly about that."

    "About that you dying will be beneficial to me? Yes, I do feel very strongly about that."

    "And why is that, Mr. Krantz?"

    "Because I'll be a priority at the Project again. They'll give me the funding that I deserve. You think I don't belong at the Project because I don't know computers. Well, I do! I'm 'hip'! I'm 'with it'! I deserve R&D more than some pie-in-the-sky ATM research!"

    Krantz brought his fist down on the nightstand. It caved in, splintering into several pieces. The skin on Krantz's hand was ripped a bit, and I noticed a glint off one of the motel lights. The hand was metal. Its coldness sent a shiver through the body as I felt it grasping my neck...

  7. fujitsu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    running on pocket pc. who cares?

  8. The fastest ARM PDA? by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What does that mean in the real world, versus say a 200Mhz Hitachi SH4? It just sounds weird seeing it called the fastest ARM PDA : Sort of like when pickup trucks have the best fuel economy in their category (which could mean that single model of pickup truck...). Will this be a super fast PDA? (And yes, to those who ask it does matter. With GPRS and other high speed connectivity issues real time compression/decompression, etc., matters more, and begs for increased power).

    1. Re:The fastest ARM PDA? by eples · · Score: 2


      What does that mean in the real world, versus say a 200Mhz Hitachi SH4?

      Well, since this one runs @ 300MHz, chances are good it can outperform the Hitachi. Plus, the PXA250 can run as high as 400MHz - I wonder if you can overclock this sucker since it only comes out of the box at 300MHz?

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    2. Re:The fastest ARM PDA? by Guignol · · Score: 2, Funny

      They mean for free fall
      The batteries are at the bottom of the device putting its mass center at its feet
      Also, it has a much better aerodynamic design taking advantage of it, so that air resistance is futile :)

    3. Re:The fastest ARM PDA? by martin-k · · Score: 2

      A 100 MHz SH3 or MIPS feels *worlds* slower than a 206 MHz StrongARM. So if Hitachi hasn't worked in any miracles in the SH4, any StrongARM/Xscale should be much zippier than SHx even at the same MHz.

      -Martin

    4. Re:The fastest ARM PDA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SH4 is a dual issue single cycle instruction processor. ie. it can dispatch 400 million instructions per second.

      On a Processing to power ratio, the SH4 series beats StrongArm 2:1.

    5. Re:The fastest ARM PDA? by junkgui · · Score: 1

      IPaq can be over clocked in software so probably this will be able to as well.

    6. Re:The fastest ARM PDA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My desktop computer runs a 202MHz Digital StrongARM-110K (overclocked to 288MHz, I also have an Intel 233MHz SA-110T) and it flies - probably almost as fast in general use as my Duron 750 running Win98SE/RedHat 7.1 - certainly faster than my PIII/500 running Win2K Pro.

      So given that the XScale is 300MHz and a far more advanced design, plus jees this is only a PDA, it should go like shit off a shovel!

      I wonder if we'll see a 700MHz XScale PDA?

    7. Re:The fastest ARM PDA? by LinuxInDallas · · Score: 1

      On the desktop? What kind of OS? And who makes it?

  9. What a PDA is meant to be by nakhla · · Score: 2

    Nice. Very nice. Sleek, stylish, powerful. This is what a PDA is MEANT to be in order to succeed in the commercial world. It might not be styled for business use, but this one will definitely turn some heads in the commercial realm.

    I've often thought that Linux-on-the-desktop is a loosing battle. But, Linux-on-the-palmtop is definitely a battle that the Linux community could win. The biggest hurdle that needs to be overcome, however, is the "geek factor". Many of us techies design devices that WE would use. Here is a perfect example of a device that the typical consumer would find attractive. Build a stylish-looking device, design a pretty GUI, write intuitive applications, adhere to standards (such as vCard, vCal, etc.) so data can be shared across device platforms, and provide the ability to sync with existing software (i.e. Outlook on both Win and Mac, Netscape, Evolution, etc.) and a Linux-based PDA could DEFINITELY make some big inroads.

    The Zaurus is a nice little machine, but it won't make a splash. No one is going to buy it outside of the Linux community. But, if Sharp were to go all out and do something like this, Linux would definitely become more mainstream in the handheld market.

    1. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      What makes this PDA special over any of the other PocketPCs? It's not, except to number counting geeks like those of us on /..

      If numbers are any indication, Palm OS devices are what the business world wants. Not what I want, mind you, but that seems to be what the business world wants. A PocketPC with a faster processor won't make them all turn.

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    2. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If numbers are any indication, Palm OS devices are what the business world wants.

      I know that's what the numbers indicate, but I don't think the Palm is what the business world wants either. It just gets closer than the other offerings. What most of the business people that I know want is a device like the Pocket PC that has the battery life, price and reliability of a Palm. They also want better wireless connectivity and more memory. I've never heard anybody complain about the Palm crashing and losing its memory contents. However, my iPaq does that regularly. I know that my peers have had similar problems on other Pocket PC platforms. I always hesitate to press that little reset button because you never know if it will reboot with memory intact or not. Note that I do NOT have Pocket PC 2000 on my device, so maybe that's better.

      I firmly believe that when a company releases a very reliable, fast, powerful device with good battery life and a low price, you'll see all of the numbers change.

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    3. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by costas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Since I am in the market to replace my Vx, here's what I like about the Loox: SD and CF card slots (instead of just CF like HP, or just SD like Palm/Compaq or MemoryStick like Sony), jog dial (only Sony and Handspring), Color QVGA screen (only PocketPC), integrated Bluetooth (only Compaq).

      However, the most serious spec is missing: size. I like the iPaq, but it's too big for carrying around everywhere. If this thing is close to the T- or N- series Clie in size, I'll be first in line to get one.

    4. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Really? Now you're making me paranoid. I reset my iPAQ 3150 a lot, and have never had a problem. I'm using PPC2000. That blows. I've only had a loss of memory due to running completely out of battery (went unused for a few weeks).

      Frankly, I've always been appalled by the way PocketPCs and Palm OS devices handled the power thing. Has it changed on newer Palms, or do you still only have a couple seconds to replace the batteries before the tiny capacitor runs out, and all your memory is gone?

      On my Newton MP2100u, I've never had such a problem. Why, just the other day, I plugged it in to charge. However, I didn't push the battery pack in at all- absent mindedness. Unpluged it after a couple hours, and it sat overnight with no power whatsoever. The next morning, nothing is gone. Nothing is lost. All it takes is a little non-brain dead design, a little watch battery. Oi.

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    5. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by billcopc · · Score: 1

      What makes it special is that it's not Palm. Palm makes nice little toys, but they're outrageously overpriced. Just look at Handspring's Visor for a great example : they licensed Palm OS for their own hardware, and made a lighter, cheaper PDA for the rest of us. Lock-in is evil, remember that.

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    6. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by Mark+Pitman · · Score: 1

      Most Pocket PCs and the old Palmsize PCs have a watch battery for backup. My Casio E-100 (Palmsize PC running Windows CE 2.11) has one (good old CR2032).

    7. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by clare-ents · · Score: 2

      My m100 went for about a month without batteries and didn't lose any data.

      That might just be because I had a full up to date backup though.

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    8. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Ah, good. At least one of the current PDA manufacturers aren't retarded.

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    9. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      I was referring to all PalmOS devices regarding what has marketshare. At this point, all PalmOS devices are just nice little toys, but ones a lot of people like to play with. :)

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    10. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've often thought that getting people to spell "lose" correctly is a losing battle, as well.

    11. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by DumbRedGuy · · Score: 1

      Between school and work, I know a handful of people who use PDA's (myself included). I don't know if anyone would see any benefit from using a PocketPC or Linux platform on their machine.

      Even if a Linux machine came out with all those features, wouldn't that make it equivalent to a PocketPC?

      It's like when you go to a restaurant, and you say "I'll have a Coke."
      "I'm sorry, all we have is Pepsi."
      "That's fine, whatever."

      Maybe I've got my head up my ass, but wouldn't a Linux machine have to go above and beyond what is currently available to make some inroads? Cross platform compatability would be nice, but what could it do to make people say "I'm sorry, I have to have a Coke"?

    12. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Really? Now you're making me paranoid. I reset my iPAQ 3150 a lot, and have never had a problem.

      I'm not really trying to make you paranoid. It's fresh in my mind because it happened to me AGAIN last week. This time, I was browsing the web through wireless LAN, when I received a message telling me that I needed to allocate more memory to storage space. Rather than transfer memory from system, I decided to clear my cache on the browser. When I did so, it gave me the cute little spinner. After watching the spinner and getting dizzy for about ten minutes, I finally gave up and presset the reset button. The device happily came up and asked me to start configuring it for first time use. It had lost EVERYTHING. I've had this happen before when I reset while a program was busy. I've also had it crash when installing / removing the PCMCIA jacket, and when inserting or removing cards. And the most frustrating is the crash that occurs by simply turning the device on. All of these hard crashes I've encountered could not be fixed by pressing the reset button. I was required to actually do a hard reset (with the switch) to make the device usable again.

      This wouldn't matter nearly as much if it didn't take close to an hour to do a backup or restore over ActiveSync. I probably just need to bite the bullet and get a flash card. But in my mind, if the device is THIS unreliable, it should have been provided WITH a flash card.

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    13. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      god man, that blows. Perhaps yet another reason not to upgrade to PPC2002? In testing my PDA environment, I've had to do my share of resetting during a busy-cursor, but never had that problem.

      Even having it come with a flash card is simply inexcusable. It should *not* be anywhere near that unreliable, it's just disgusting.

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    14. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by GreyPoopon · · Score: 1
      god man, that blows. Perhaps yet another reason not to upgrade to PPC2002?

      Oh wait, I think I may have made a mistake with what I typed in my first post. I'm NOT running PPC2002. I'm running PPC2000. Oops. So, maybe PPC2002 is better.

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  10. Are you kidding me? by OsamaBinLager · · Score: -1

    Linux is top heavy AND doesn't have real threads. It's useless for a high quality PDA.

  11. Later news by Mr_Silver · · Score: 0, Redundant
    Has anyone got any up-to-date news? The infosync article is several weeks old as is the pocketnow posting.

    In fact, the only thing dated today is the Register article which just hacks details from the other sites.

    Hardly recent "News for Nerds" ...

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  12. /.'ed by flipflapflopflup · · Score: 2, Funny

    Warning: Too many connections in /home/httpd/pocketnow.com/htdocs/forums/admin/db_m ysql.php on line 32

    There seems to have been a slight problem with the database.

    Understated, I like it ;o)

  13. arg! by mirko · · Score: 1

    XScale is *not* StrongARM, StrongARM is *not* ARM.
    So, calling this the fastest ARM PDA in the world is *incorrect* !

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    1. Re:arg! by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      http://www.arm.com/news.ns4/iwpList125/B88B5796636 DF17E802569440062D45B?OpenDocument&style=Press_Roo m

      I had no clue about this XScale thing, however that was the first thing I came across on Google, so it appears to be an ARM instruction set processor, using technology Intel obtained when they bought DEC, which was a co-creator of StrongARM.

    2. Re:arg! by pslam · · Score: 4, Informative
      XScale is *not* StrongARM, StrongARM is *not* ARM. So, calling this the fastest ARM PDA in the world is *incorrect* !

      While the core is very different to current "ARM" cores, the instruction set and patents are licensed from ARM. It runs ARM instructions natively. Saying it's not an ARM is like saying an Athlon isn't an x86 processor.

      It's basically an ARM9 core with the pipeline extended a bit and a DSP MAC unit bolted on the side. This equates to slightly faster than StrongARM speeds (per MHz) on most code, and maybe double on DSP.

    3. Re:arg! by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Does not XScale implement a modified ARM instruction set? Not equivalent to the ARM, but a derivative, and there for "an" ARM.

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    4. Re:arg! by Zenki · · Score: 1

      XScale implements an ARMv5e architecture + some extra.

      Fortunately, ARM designed a _standardized_ means of extending their cores. There exists support for add-on coprocessors (up to 16, although the sixteenth coprocessor (15) is already dedicated to MMU + other functions, and the first coprocessor (0) is for floating point), as well as dedicated instructions for passing registers to and from coprocessors (mrc, mcr, mrrc, mcrr) as well as data processing instructions. (cdp, cdp2)

      I'm willing to bet that all of Intel's extra features map into the infrastructure that ARM has established.

    5. Re:arg! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, XScale is a properly licensed ARM architecture. Intel have their own *implementation* of that architecture. Personally I prefer the ARM1020 implementation because it offers a vector floating point capability, but each to their own.

  14. Some info about the XScale processors here by eples · · Score: 5, Informative


    Fujitsu's press release just said the chip was "high-performance", and after some digging I turned up this article which tells us that the Intel PXA250 can run at speeds as high as 400MHz. An excerpt:

    Designed for advanced PDAs, the PXA250 is available at speeds of 200MHz, 300MHz, and 400MHz. While designed for low power, the PXA250 offers a Turbo Mode for application acceleration and multimedia acceleration with Intel Media Processing technology. USB, 920Kbps Bluetooth wireless, and a 1.84MHz baseband interface are offered as communication interfaces, and an enhanced memory support 2.5 volt or 3.3 volt 16-bit or 32-bit memory.

    I feel so Dirty.

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    1. Re:Some info about the XScale processors here by geirt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why not go directly to the source:

      http://developer.intel.com/design/intelxscale/

      Here is the info on the PXA250 CPU .

      You will find specs, datasheets and all the goodies.

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  15. Old news... by brogdon · · Score: 4, Informative

    The LOOX was announced weeks ago. Brighthand already had a forum up for it in February. Toshiba also announced their next PocketPC (XScale processor and embedded 802.11b included) last month.

    A month behind the times? That's just shameful guys.

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    1. Re:Old news... by Mark+Pitman · · Score: 1

      It was just recently "officially announced" at CeBIT.

  16. announcement by cwebster · · Score: 1

    Tokyo, March 12, 2002 - Fujitsu and its group affiliates today announced the global launch of Pocket LOOX, a sleek new handheld PDA designed to serve as a powerful enabler of mobility for demanding business users and consumers the world over. The new device, which will go on sale from Q2 2002, will preview at CeBIT (Fujitsu Siemens Computers' booth; Hall 1, Stand 5e2) from March 13 - 20 in Hannover, Germany.

    Running on Microsoft Pocket PC 2002 software for seamless compatibility with widely used PC-based Windows applications, the ultraslim, lightweight Pocket LOOX utilizes a high-performance Intel PXA250 Applications Processor and boasts advanced high-speed network connectivity functions as well as very long battery life. The new PDA marks an important and flexible new platform addition to the Fujitsu group's mobile solutions offerings aimed at capitalizing on the infinite possibilities of the broadband era. Product specifications will be optimized to meet the particular market and sales channel requirements of each region.

    In Europe, for example, Fujitsu Siemens Computers will offer the Pocket LOOX with a mobile telephony function through an added GPRS* plug-on module.

    In Japan, Fujitsu will equip Pocket LOOX with an integrated Bluetooth module for wireless communication. In addition to strengthening network functionality, Bluetooth technology enhances expandability, convenience and flexibility of system design for advanced mobile solutions.

    Major specifications (in Japan Market):

    CPU : Intel® PXA250 Applications Processor
    OS : Microsoft® Pocket PC2002 Software
    Memory : RAM 64MB
    Display : 3.5in. Reflective TFT (240 x 320), more than 65,000 colors
    Expansion slots : CF TYPE II x 1, SD memory x 1
    Communication capability : Bluetooth V1.1

    Notes:
    * GPRS:
    General Packet Radio Service: One of the mobile phone packet transmission standards.

  17. Google Cache by LunchLady · · Score: -1, Troll

    Seeing that this is about a month old here is the Google cache of the release and information.

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    POSITIONS

    If the woman you are with is somewhat hesitant about your going down on her, start off with her lying on her back, perhaps half-sitting. Lay down between her legs, with her legs over your shoulders. She may enjoy laying or sitting at the edge of the bed with you kneeling. She can also straddle your face, but be prepared to get very wet. There are endless varieties of positions where you can press your face up to her cunt, some of which strike me as more acrobatic than erotic, but feel free to experiment. And then there's 69...

    69 is one of my favorite positions. On the plus side, you both get to enjoy the sublime sensations of getting head, simultaneously. The upside down positioning of a woman's pussy and your mouth is an easy fit and there's more room for your hands. On the negative side, it's a less than ideal position for a woman to give head. Plus, if you need to read this article, you may be better off concentrating your energies on pleasing her, without too much distraction. But even for experienced 69'ers, it's easy to short-change your partner. "It feels soooo good, I'm just gonna stop for a second and concentrate on what you're...aaaarrrgghhh". Get the picture? Some show of will-power is in order.

    69 can be done male on top, female on top, or side by side. The latter two are easier, though it's more restful with both partners laying down. Some women love being licked on all fours, so if female-on-top 69 drives her wild, take the hint and find some other ways to eat her in this position. I happen to enjoy male on top, but for many women this is a sure choking position. If a woman can, or wants to try, to deep throat you, this is THE position. When her head is thrust back you can really slide your cock all the way down her throat. But don't forget what you're supposed to be doing!

    So there you are staring at it - the mysterious hole from whence you came, and into which you hope to cum again... First, an anatomy lesson...

    THE CLITORIS

    Before I go any further, a few words about the clitoris, accent on the first syllable. Most of you know it, but for those who don't, it is THE woman's sex organ, period. It may feel great to be fucked vaginally, anally or otherwise, but if the stimulation is not right there, on the clitoris, you're ignoring the place that's going to make her cum, and presumably that's why you're reading this, right? It's right there at the top juncture of her inner lips, a small knob of pink flesh. This is where it's at boys, and don't forget it. Almost any licking and sucking of the labia or vaginal entrance is going to feel just dandy; just remember that this is pleasurable teasing, not the main event. I can't tell you how many guys have thrust their tongues up my vagina thinking that this was going to make me cum. They were wrong. Of course, with a little manual stimulation....but I'm getting ahead of myself.

    Women feel differently about how much direct stimulation they can take on their clitoris. Some women will adore it if you suck hard on their exposed clits, others will shriek in pain. You may encounter a woman who is completely unable to take direct stimulation of her clit; the goal is still the same, but you'll have to stimulate it indirectly, such as through her labia. IMPORTANT NOTE: Often, what is unacceptably rough at first may be fine after she's very excited. The fact is, most women really need a good bit of stimulation before a targeted attack on their clitoris, but once they're there, that's where you want to devote your attention.

    The key here is go slow, ask questions, and if she's comfortable with it, leave the lights on and really explore. Body language often does tell what feels best, but I promise, she will appreciate your attentiveness if you ask outright. If she seems shy, get her to guide your hands and mouth with her own hand, and pay attention. If she starts bucking up against your mouth and gasping in ragged little breaths, for God's sake, don't use this opportunity to try something different. Just keep doing exactly what you're doing.

    THE TONGUE

    I want to reiterate, there is almost nothing you can do that won't feel terrific, so relax! I promise, you may be confused and uncertain, but she's in heaven. Any licking and sucking of the labia, vaginal entrance, clitoris, or anal area is going to feel just great, and I'd no sooner tell guys to "do it exactly like this" than I would tell every chef to follow the same recipe. But for those who are compelled to RTFM, here are a few techniques that you might like to try:

    Try lapping her pussy from vaginal entrance up to her clit, leaving your tongue soft and jaw relaxed. This is a good way to start your tonguing.
    Run your tongue between the inner and outer labia on one side, while holding the two together with your lips. Good job, now do the other side.
    Fuck her pussy with your tongue - in and out, around and around, etc. This feels nice. Not wonderful or incredible or earth-shaking; nice.
    Spread her outer lips with your hand. Then, with your tongue pointed and stiff, gently flick here and there. Feel free to roam, but keep coming back to her clit. This drives some women wild, and others can't take it. Some may prefer that you always leave your tongue soft, so when you try this, pay attention to whether those moans are ecstacy or pain.
    The following techniques should not be introduced until your partner is really hot (i.e. she's no longer coherent). These are very intense actions which may be "too much" for some women, even when nearing orgasm.

    With her clit still exposed, give it a quick little suck - pulling it into your mouth briefly and letting it go. This is a lot like licking a bit of cake batter off of your pinky. This feels incredible, and is a fine thing to do if you feel like torturing her (see PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER below).
    Take her exposed clit into your mouth and gently (at first, anyway) suck on it, simultaneously flicking your tongue over and around it. This can be done very lightly or very aggressively, and combined with fingering, will usually rapidly produce an intense orgasm.
    Another choice technique involves rolling your tongue into a tube. If you can't do this with your tongue, you can't learn it - it's genetic. For those who can, this works best in an inverted or 69 position. Roll your tongue into a tube around the shaft of her clitoris. Slide it up and down; in effect, your tongue makes a tiny pussy for her clit to fuck. This also is likely to bring her over the edge.
    FINGERS
    Fingers are a valuable adjunct to eating pussy. Most women masturbate by pressing a finger or fingers over their clit, possibly "thru" the skin of their inner or outer lips, and vigorously rubbing in a circular or back-and-forth direction. You can do this too, and it is most helpful to ask, or better yet, have her show you how she likes it done. You will never be a good lover until you can bring your woman to climax with your hands. When you fuck her from behind, or up her ass, or really in any position which doesn't allow her to simultaneously rub her vulva against your body, reach down or around and rub her clit. I know it's distracting, but just do it anyway. One important point to note: make sure that your fingers are well lubricated. There is nothing more uncomfortable (and sometimes downright painful) than a dry finger roughly rubbed across one's clitoris.

    Of course, that's not all you can do with your fingers. One technique which is very exciting is to spread her lips wide apart with one hand, and with your index finger straight like a pencil, flick the side of it rapidly across her clit. This motion alone will often bring a woman to orgasm. Combining this with the addition of some tongue action elsewhere is nothing short of bliss.

    Sticking one or more fingers inside her vagina is also wonderful. You can simply move them in and out (this feels best with at least two or three fingers, pushed in hard), or wriggling them around. A particularly intense motion is to face your hand so that you have two fingers inside her with your palm facing the front of her body. Now move your fingers rapidly, as if waving hello. You are aiming to stimulate a particular part of the woman's vagina - namely the lower anterior (front) part. When combined with sucking her clit, this is nearly certain to bring her to a fast and intense climax.

    An excellent way to begin manual stimulation is to stick one (and later two) fingers inside her, with your palm cupped over the mons area. I'm talking about that fleshy "mound" over her pubic bone. Your finger goes in and out and the ball of your hand is pressed hard against her vulva. You may want to rub or even shake the entire area with your palm.

    Fingers also do nice things to tight little butt holes, but that's a whole other story...

    ANAL PLAY

    This stuff is purely optional. If anal play doesn't turn you on, don't do it. If you're uncomfortable, she'll pick up on your feelings and start wondering if it's her pussy that's turning you off. Don't feel that you can't be a good lover without anal play; you can.

    Cleanliness is of the essence. (remember that nice soapy shower?) Scoop out some luscious juices (from a very wet pussy) with your finger and rub it around her anus. (If she isn't well lubricated, saliva works too.) If that's all you or she feels comfortable with, fine - it still feels great. But I think most women enjoy the feel of a finger pushed up their ass while they're being fucked or eaten. You need to be gentle, possibly even leaving your finger still. Try moving it in and out a little, or around in a circle. If she starts moaning, you know you're doing something right.

    It's really fun to feel a woman's anus rhythmically squeezing your finger as she cums. (And it's great for her, too) You're probably thinking about what that would feel like around your dick, and it's something you should certainly explore. Ass-fucking is somewhat out of the scope of this article, but suffice to say, if she doesn't like a finger up her butt, she sure as hell won't want your big dick up there. Even if she does enjoy this sort of play, she may still be somewhat apprehensive about putting something so large up there. The keys to success are sufficient (i.e. copious amounts of) lubrication (a water-soluble type such as K-Y, which is safe for condoms), relaxation on her part, and a slow, gentle, approach. She'll certainly tell you if she wants you to thrust harder or deeper. And remember, if you want to feel that delicious squeezing around your cock, reach around and diddle that clit!

    As for anallingus - why not? Don't feel like you HAVE to do it to satisfy your woman. But if the idea turns you on, great. Let your tongue rove as it pleases. It's not necessary to actually put your tongue inside her butt to stimulate the area. Back and forth, around and around, you get the picture.

    One hygiene note: once that finger (or your penis) has been inside her ass, don't even think about putting it anywhere else. Carelessness in this regard can cause a horrendous infection.

    MENSTRUATION

    I haven't met a lot of men who are completely comfortable going down on a woman when she has her period. But some are. Most women are at their horniest before and sometimes during their period. You should definitely find a way to make her cum when she's bleeding, be it thru intercourse, manual, or oral stimulation. If you feel comfortable going down on her, great. It's perfectly safe. You may suggest that she insert a tampon, and then wash up. (As you now know, you don't need to get anywhere near her vagina to make her cum.) Or you could lay down a few old towels, turn out the lights, and forget about it.

    PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER

    I think variety is crucial. Some guy posted an article detailing a road map of kissing and licking (first here, then here, etc.) Much better to do the unexpected; sometimes a hungry, aggressive approach, other times a laid-back, leisurely one. You can even even include your nose, or your chin into the act. Start slow, that's the key, and let your lover guide the speed of the crescendo. In all cases, start gently. Roughness and clumsiness are big turn-offs. As she gets more and more excited, pay more attention to her clitoris. When she's three breathes away from cumming, moving your mouth off or away from her clit is agony. That's fine if you're intentionally torturing her, just understand that this is what you are doing. The only prohibition is to be reasonably gentle with her clit. Nibbling or biting is fine elsewhere, but we're talking about a sensitive spot.

    Speaking of prolonging the agony... I think this is great fun. Bring your partner just to the edge of orgasm, and stop. This is not easy unless you really know your lover well. Instead, just have her help you. Say, "Grab my head and stop me just before you think you're gonna cum." Then take your sweet time. Blow on her clit, take it into your mouth just briefly, flick it just the very slightest bit. You will have this woman squirming and moaning like she's dying. Finger her deeply, enjoy the ecstasy you are imparting, and finally, have pity. Let the poor woman cum.

    UUUUNNNNGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! (or, I'M COMING!!!)

    Okay, she's practically suffocating you, she's pressed so hard against your face; she's screaming and bucking up in the air; you feel her pussy contracting wildly - how long should you keep it up?? The simple answer is, until she makes you stop. Some women may stop you after five seconds from the start of their climax, others may be able to roll right into another orgasm if you keep going. Do come up for air, but remember, her excitement does not drop off as sharply as yours does. Play it safe by continuing the stimulation.

    How many times does she need to cum? Some women are very content to have one orgasm. A whole lot of women would really like to cum again, but need about five minutes to recoup. Many women are so sensitive right after they cum that they may push your head violently away. This doesn't necessarily mean they've had enough, only that you need to stop for a few minutes. In fact most women, given a short rest between, are capable of cumming again and again. A smaller percentage of women are able to cum repeatedly with continued stimulation. This is the much-touted multiple-orgasm that is experienced by a minority of women. I know this makes it difficult to know when enough is enough, but there's a simple answer: ask her.

    GODI'MSOEXCITEDITFEELSGREATBUTIJUSTCAN'TCOME

    It happens to all of us sometimes - distraction, embarrassment, anxiety, or just an inability to "let go". What do you do about it? The first question is, can she easily bring herself to a climax in the privacy of her own home. If the answer is no - then she needs to do some homework. There are two books on the subject that I know of: For Yourself: The Fulfillment of Female Sexuality by Lonnie Barbach, and Sex for One: The Joy of Selfloving by Betty Dodson; pick up one. Then tell her to read it, study it, and practice, practice, practice!

    Now if your partner is orgasmic only when alone - ask her point blank: "Is there something different I can do?" Many women are shy about criticizing their lovers, but if asked outright will surprise you with a very specific answer. It may be a simple matter of mechanics, like a little to right please, or not so rough, or more pressure and faster. Ah... perfect.

    But suppose everything is wonderful. She says you're doing everything right but she just can't cum. There are two probable causes: selfconsciousness and/or self-loathing. For women who can't help watching themselves, the best approach is to eliminate anything that focuses her attention on what the two of you are doing. This is a "be here now" kind of thing - definitely not an introspective activity. Get that mirror off the ceiling. Dim the lights or turn them off completely. Put on some soft music. Share a glass of port. (I said A glass - getting drunk will definitely not help). Have her lay on her back, or propped up comfortably with some pillows. This is not the time for her to sit on your face, or the edge of the bed, or standing up against a wall. Arrange a time when you can devote a long period to eating her pussy, and then just keep it up. Forget everything I said about asking her questions - just close your eyes and get into it. I know this can be a difficult and exhausting exercise, but she will be extravagantly thankful for your efforts. It gets easier each time. If all else fails, get accustomed to masturbating together. Gradually begin to add your stimulation to her own, right before she's about to cum anyway. Over time, you can take over completely.

    For women who themselves feel that their cunts are dirty or distasteful, all of the above methods may be helpful, but the underlying issue must also be addressed. I am amazed at how many women are ambivalent about their own genitals. They don't love "that part" of their body, and they can't believe that you would either. Yes, it is important to be clean. But clean means a daily shower which includes washing the vulva. It doesn't mean vainly attempting to remove every trace of smell or taste. The natural fragrance and secretions of a healthy woman are beautiful and erotic. Hopefully you agree (and if not, try hard to cultivate this attitude). When she learns to love her pussy, she will be infinitely more comfortable with your loving it too.

    How to Eat Pussy

    Hey, I have a lot of respect for all you guys who like to eat pussy because there are too few of you out there. And I'm not the only woman who says this. Furthermore, some of you guys who are giving it the old college try are not doing too well, so maybe this little lesson will help you out. When a woman finds a man who gives good head, she's found a treasure she's not going to let go of too quickly. This is one rare customer and she knows it. She won't even tell her girlfriends about it or that guy will become the most popular man in town. So, remember, most guys can fuck, and those who can usually do it satisfactorily, but the guy who gives good head, he's got it made.

    Most women are shy about their bodies. Even if you've got the world's most gorgeous woman in bed with you, she's going to worry about how you like her body. Tell her it's beautiful, tell her which parts you like best, tell her anything, but get her to trust you enough to let you down between her legs.

    Now stop and look at what you see. Beautiful, isn't it? There is nothing that makes a woman more unique than her pussy. I know. I've seen plenty of them. They come in all different sizes, colors and shapes; some are tucked inside like a little girl's cunnie and some have thick luscious lips that come out to greet you. Some are nested in brushes of fur and others are covered with transparent fuzz. Appreciate your woman's unique qualities and tell her what makes her special.

    Women are a good deal more verbal than men, especially during love-making. They also respond more to verbal love, which means, the more you talk to her, the easier it will be to get her off. So all the time you're petting and stroking her beautiful pussy, talk to her about it.

    Now look at it again. Gently pull the lips apart and look at her inner lips, even lick them if you want to. Now spread the tops of her pussy up until you can find her clit. Women have clits in all different sizes, just like you guys have different sized cocks. It doesn't mean a thing as far as her capacity for orgasm. All it means is more of her is hidden underneath her foreskin.

    Whenever you touch a woman's pussy, make sure your finger is wet. You can lick it or moisten it with juices from inside her. Be sure, by all means, to wet it before you touch her clit because it doesn't have any juices of it's own and it's extremely sensitive. Your finger will stick to it if it's dry and that hurts. But you don't want to touch her clit anyway. You have to work up to that. Before she becomes aroused, her clit is too delicate to be handled.

    Approach her pussy slowly. Women, even more so than men, love to be teased. The inner part of her thigh is her most tender spot. Lick it, kiss it, make designs on it with the tip of your tongue. Come dangerously close to her pussy, then float away. Make her anticipate it.

    Now lick the crease where her leg joins her pussy. Nuzzle your face into her bush. Brush your lips over her slit without pressing down on it to further excite her. After you've done this to the point where your lady is bucking up from her seat and she's straining to get more of you closer to her, then put your lips right on top of her slit.

    Kiss her, gently, then harder. Now use your tongue to separate her pussy lips and when she opens up, run your tongue up and down between the layers of pussy flesh. Gently spread her legs more with your hands. Everything you do with a woman you're about to eat must be done gently.

    Tongue-fuck her. This feels define. It also teases the hell out of her because by now she wants some attention given to her clit. Check it out. See if her clit has gotten hard enough to peek out of it's covering. If so, lick it. If you can't see it, it might still be waiting for you underneath. So bring your tongue up tot he top of her slit and feel for her clit. You may barely experience it's presence. But even if you can't feel the tiny pearl, you can make it rise by licking the skin that covers it. Lick hard now and press into her skin.

    Gently pull the pussy lips away and flick your tongue against the clit, hood covered or not. Do this quickly. This should cause her legs to shudder. When you sense she's getting up there toward orgasm, make your lips into an O and take the clit into your mouth. Start to suck gently and watch your lady's face for her reaction. If she can handle it, begin to suck harder. If she digs it, suck even harder. Go with her. If she lifts her pelvis into the air with the tension of her rising orgasm, move with her, don't fight her. Hang on, and keep your hot mouth on her clit. Don't let go. That's what she'll be saying too: 'Don't stop. Don't ever stop!'

    There's a reason for that, most men stop too soon. Just like with cock sucking, this is something worth learning about and worth learning to do well. I know a man who's a lousy fuck, simply lousy, but he can eat pussy like nobody I know and he never has trouble getting a date. Girls are falling all over him.

    But back to your pussy eating session...There's another thing you can do to intensify your woman's pleasure. You can finger-fuck her while she's enjoying your clit-licking talents. Before, curing or after. She'll really like it. In addition to the erogenous zones surrounding her clit, a woman has another extremely sensitive area at the roof of her vagina. This is what you rub up against when you're fucking her. Well, since your cock is pretty far away from your mouth, your fingers will have to do the fucking.

    Take two fingers. One is too skinny and three is too wide and therefore can't get deep enough. Make sure they're wet so you don't irritate her skin. Slide them inside, slowly at first, then a little faster. Fuck her with them rhythmically. Speed up only when she does. Listen to her breathing.

    She'll let you know what to do. If you're sucking her clit and finger-fucking her at the same time, you're giving her far more stimulation than you would be giving her with your cock alone. So you can count on it that she's getting high on this. If there's any doubt, check her out for symptoms. Each woman is unique. You may have one who's nipples get hard when she's excited or only when she's having an orgasm. Your girl might flush red or begin to tremble. Get to know her symptoms and you'll be a more sensitive lover.

    When she starts to have an orgasm, for heaven's sakes, don't let go of that clit. Hang in there for the duration. When she starts to come down from the first orgasm, press your tongue along the underside of the clit, leaving your lips covering the top. Move your tongue in and out of her cunt. If your fingers are inside, move them a little too, gently though, things are extremely sensitive just now.

    If you play your cards right, you'll get some multiple orgasms this way. A woman stays excited for a full hour after she's had an orgasm. Do you realize the full impact of that information? The potential? One woman was clocked at 56 orgasms at one sitting. Do you know what effect you would have on a woman you gave 56 orgasms to? She'd be yours as long as you wanted her.

    The last advice I have for you is this: After you've made her come, make her your slave by giving her the best head she's ever had, don't leave her alone just yet. Talk to her, stroke her body, caress her breasts. Keep making love to her quietly until she's come all the way down. A man can get off and go to sleep in the same breath and feel no remorse, no sense of loss. But a woman by nature requires some sensitivity from her lover in those first few moments after sex.

    Oral sex can be the most exciting sexual experiences you can have. But it's what you make it. Take your time, practice often, pay attention to your lover's signals, and most of all, enjoy yourself.

    Female Oral Sex Techniques

    TASTE:

    In my experience, one of the main reasons that partners avoid female oral sex is due to a percieved or even experienced poor taste. While it is true that women run the range from pleasant (tasty!) to sour or uric tasting, there are easy steps to ensure that your partner will be tasting her sweetest.

    First and most obviously, a good vigorous shower will do much to neutralize the taste of your partner. In fact, oral sex in the shower, while not a favorite method of mine, has a completely neutral taste if you stick to the upper regions of your partner's sex. If your partner has not showered recently, or has physically exerted herself recently, her taste will be much stronger. This, however, can be a good thing!

    Secondly, foreplay will improve upon both the taste and the experience in general if your can get her juices flowing. I have never found an extremely aroused, wet woman to taste unpleasant. Quite the contrary!

    FOREPLAY:

    Do it! Take your time! Have fun! Experiment! A common male misunderstanding is that females are aroused most through physical contact. Not true. I have aroused women greatly simply by acting sexy. Tension is a wonderful tool, use it. If you can build tension to the point where the barest touch sends electric shivers through both of you, you can't lose! Similarly, even the best love techniques will not turn on a woman who isn't in the mood. (If you can get her in the mood, well then you're talking.)

    Take your time, explore your partner (there's a lot more there than nipples and a clitoris!), build tension, have fun.

    POSITIONS:

    There are two basic positions that I have found very versitile and succesful. For a very comfortable session, have her lie on her back with legs spread and knees bent slightly. Lie on your stomach between her legs, put your right arm under her left leg and your left arm under her right - somewhat of an intimate hug. Now you should find your head situated conveniently and comfortably near the center of your attention.

    Less comfortable, but a bit wilder is the following. Lie on your back, prop a couple of pillows (or fold one over) under your head. Have your partner kneel facing you with one knee on each side of your head, above your shoulders. The sexy part of this position (IMHO) is that your partner can look down at you and watch you eating her out. (Yum) Versatility and comfort are reduced for the giver, so I only occasionally partake in this position.

    These are by no means the only positions. Again, experiment, have fun. If you can find a bed where your partner can lie down with her legs dangling off the bed and resting flat on the floor, you're in luck. Now you can have her sit just at the edge of the bed, lie back, and give you plenty of access while you kneel/sit in front of her sex.

    GEOGRAPHY:

    Woman are very different in some respects of their genitalia, but the major parts are the same. A woman's sex from the oral sex point of view consists of two sets of lips (outer and inner) that meet just below the vaginal opening and some variable distance above the clitoris; the vaginal opening (immediately above the nether meeting of above-mentioned lips), a smooth section of skin between the vaginal opening and the clitoris (I have no clue as to its technical name, hereafter it will be refered to as the "scav") and the clitoris and its surrounding folds.

    If you get the chance, explore your partner in a location with decent lighting. Use your hand to spread her sex and explore her, find out what's where and what's what. Like I said earlier, women are different. Especially the location and shape of the clitoris. It can be buried, protruding, surrounded by many folds of flesh, or hanging out it the open. The best method I have found for finding your partner's clitoris (If all else fails, ask!), is to place a finger at the very base of her sex and gently run it up her scav until you feel a slight bump. That's it.

    OK, ENOUGH OF THE DETAILS, NOW THE NITTY-GRITTY:

    So your partner is showered, excited and feeling sexy. It's the big moment, what to do? Don't simply dive in. Take your time, excite her. In my opinion, I can usually tell how good my partner is at oral sex by how she "goes down" on me. By "going down" I mean the process by which she goes from kising my lips to sucking oh-so-wonderfully on my sex.

    Depending on your partner, different methods of going down will work more effectively. If you've gotten to this point with your partner, you should have a fair idea of what she likes. Take advantage of that knowledge. One thing that I highly recommend however, is a sexy look. Sexy looks can make all the difference, and the best place to throw one in is as you're licking, sucking and kissing your way down her stomach stop, look up and smile devilishly.

    Unbutton your partners jean's, pull the tabs back and kiss her newly exposed flesh. Unzip her pants, pull the tabs back as far as they can go and place light, tender kisses on her abdomen and around the top of her panties. Watch it, some women are very ticklish here!

    (Note the above doesn't work so well if she doesn't have jeans on but you're all smart enough to figure it out...) Once you've removed everything but her panties, stop. You have a unique opportunity for further arousal. Kiss her legs and inner thighs with gentle kisses. Work your way up each leg and make a point of stopping at the line of her underwear. Kiss again along the top of her underwear, and along the other two borders.

    Now move to her cotton (silk? lace? latex?) covered sex. Plant firm, dry kisses through her underwear on her sex, low and right around the vaginal entrance works best for me. If your partner is really excited, often her underwear will be damp and will smell (pleasantly) of her sex.

    Removing the underwear is again a matter of choice. You know your partner best, I prefer either gently sliding it all the way off with my fingers, or pulling it part way down with my teeth first.

    DIRECT KISSING:

    It is not unusual for your partner's lips to be closed together. A very excited woman's lips may be slightly spread allready ("pouting"). Again, building tension can be accomplished by light kisses on either side of her sex as well as light blowing. (Do not inflate your partner! This can be very dangerous!!) Spreading her lips can be accomplished by placing your tongue first at the base of her sex, and then firmly running your tongue all the way up. Continue with a few long licks from the base of her sex all the way to the top past her clitoris. Vary the firmness of your tongue from hard and pointed to broad and soft.

    THE BIG "O":

    The best and most proven method of making your partner cum through oral sex is by repeated, rythmic stroking of her clitoris with your tongue. The tongue is uniquely suited for this purpose because of it's texture, versatility, and pliability. It is difficult (and tiring) to apply too much pressure to your partner's clitoris. Some women are much more sensitive than others however. Be receptive to any sharp gasps, you could be being too affectionate. If this is the case, move away from direct contact or adopt a gentler technique.

    Repeated, rythmic stroking can be accomplished in a variety of ways. I prefer either rapid, repeated verticle licks with a firm, pointed tongue, or planting your tongue firmly against your partner's clitoris and vigorously shaking your head back and forth. (Tiring, maybe. But it's worth it!) If you are having trouble finding the correct angle or method for rhythmically lingually carresing her clitoris, or if you want to try something fun and new:

    Toungue the abc's. No seriously! This is a great oral excercise on any part of the body. Toungue the abc's starting with lower case, and moving though upper case. (Heck, you could do the whole ANSI ASCII set if you'd like!) Be especially perceptive while you do this, vary your speed and watch for sharp intakes of breath - chances are you've hit the right angle. The abc's give a large variety of different strokes, so come back to this excersize as often as you'd like.

    A general rule of thumb (tongue?) is to start slow and pick up the pace as you go along. This is definately a general rule though, feel free to break it by varying your rhythm, both slowly and predictably as well as quickly and startlingly.

    OTHER FUN THINGS TO DO:

    Lick between the inner and outer lips; penetrate the vagina deeply (a much stronger, iron-like taste here); "tease" the entrance to her vagina with rapid pokes of your toungue at varying depths; don't forget your hands, often a woman will feel a need or ache for something inside of her while very aroused, oblige her with a finger or two. Both kissing and manually manipulating your partner is tough, anyone with succesful methods is welcome to pipe in.

    Talk to your partner, ask her what she likes. Experiment (if you can) with many different partners. What excites one woman a lot may not excite another as much, but may still be well worth trying. On the other hand, you may not notice a subtle pleasurable technique on one woman that can be easily learned on another. The better you know your parnter, the more effectively you can please her. Have fun!

    A FINAL NOTE:

    I tried to be a lot less pretentious than the male version of this article for a few reasons. The major one is that women are very different, the above suggestions may work wonderfully with one woman and so-so with another. Some women simply aren't responsive to oral sex due to strong moral constraints. Secondly, I am not an expert, though I love oral sex and have had the joy of pleasuring 10-20 women. Third, I am still young (18) and have a lot to learn.

    So feel free to comment on what you've read (men and women) and reply either over the net or to me personally. Thanks. Hope you found this helpfull and enjoy!

    Q. What is cunnilingus?

    Cunnilingus is the fine art of making love to a vagina with your mouth and tongue. It is a delicate skill, requiring patience, practice, and dedication to get it right, but any woman you learn to do it right for will appreciate you all the more for it.

    What applies to the penis applies to the vulva-- every one is different, requiring a different touch to make its owner happy. But few tools can equal the tongue for the amount of pleasure it can deliver to a happy vagina.

    This article assumes that you know what a vulva looks like and can identify with some precision the mons veneris, labia majora, clitoral hood, clitoris, labia minora, urethra, vagina, and perineum, to name them (approximately) from top to bottom.

    Q. How fast should I go?

    This isn't an attack. Don't go after the clitoris like a fireman attacking a fire. Quite often at first, the clitoris is far too sensitive for direct stimulation. Lick around it, stimulating the hood, teasing her inner labia, tasting her. Take your time and listen to her. Some women make noise, and some do not. It will be a while before you learn exactly what your lover prefers as far as oral sex is concerned.

    Some women may like additional stimulation-- a finger or two into the vagina, or perhaps even the anus. She may want your hands to reach up and play with her breasts, or she may want your fingers to hold her labia apart so that your tongue can get at her vulva more directly.

    Q. I've heard cunnilingus doesn't taste good.

    If the taste or smell bothers you or is a concern, ask her to wash first. Most people who enjoy cunnilingus agree that a clean vagina is a good, if acquired, taste.

    As a woman nears her climax, she may want more direct stimulation. In general, fast, rhythmic stimulation is most effective at causing climax-- but there shouldn't be a rush to get there. Take your time and learn to appreciate what you can do for her.

    Q. What about cunnilingus during menstruation?

    Some people are particularly turned off at the suggestion of cunnilingus during menstruation. If it is a concern to you, then wait. A tampon may well hold the blood back, as will a diaphragm, but some men can't stand the taste anyway. If your partner is healthy, however, there is no particular danger in menstrual blood, and some women find that orgasms during their periods allievate cramps.

    In my experience, when you try to explain to a man "in the moment" that he is doing oral sex (or sometimes anything) wrong, often the result is a disaster. You aren't into it, because you are trying to direct, and I guess for many guys it comes off as simply insulting. It isn't a very "supportive process," to borrow a friend's phraseology.

    Example: "No, not there,...there..." (Quizzical looks, no change in behavior.)

    Now, if you go looking for diagrams of women's vaginas, you will find yourself either looking at medical textbooks or special references, such as Our Bodies, Ourselves --- which, is presented as a "for women only" sort of thing. The original edition even gave this little rap to men about not buying it "for" women. Yeesh! Good book, but talk about "attitude." The new edition has thankfully dropped this negative proscription.

    You will sometimes NOT even find a clear picture of a woman's vagina in a general sex reference, such as the original The Joy of Sex. And you won't find a discussion of the parts of the vulva in most places. Now, go look for a picture of a man's penis that is reasonably edifying, and you'll find them all over. I only discovered this when I tried to look it up, and since I had never purchased Our Bodies, Ourselves, I was SOL (corrected that, recently). I however, and all women, have a ready-made "reference manual," provided we have gotten over the idea, or never had it, that looking at it will somehow be a "bad thing." Men don't have this reference manual readily "at hand," at least if their partner, if they have one, is not immediately available and cooperative.

    I have also read, and just reread, the Cunnilingus FAQ. Though it seemed excellent in terms of mood, style of approach, all the "beginning" stuff, I found when I applied her technique suggestions to me and my experience as a recipient, or my experience as a giver, it was a bit short on specifics. I am sure the described approach works very well for the woman who wrote it :), but I have a few things that seem unsaid.

    So, you have gone through all the beginning motions, taking a reasonable amount of time, and you are starting to "get down to business." First, PLEASE turn on the lights. Working in the dark is for experts at best. I am assuming you are sitting between her legs, facing her, or some variation on this. Now really LOOK at what is there. Where her hair is (or was, some people shave) is the mons veneris, the pubic mound. If she is not aroused, everything is likely, but not guaranteed, to be enclosed within the outer lips or labia majora, the edges of the pubic mound that comes together to enclose her vulva.

    As you spread this apart (she can bring her knees up and out, and/or you can use your hands), you will now see the inner folds of skin of the vulva, the inner lips or labia minora. These (usually) go all around the vaginal opening, and come in a variety of interesting and pleasing shapes and textures.

    As you observe that this encircles the vaginal opening, at the top of this you will find what might look like a button or might look like a very tiny penis, covered by an additional flap of skin. The flap of skin is the "hood" of the clitoris, and is very sensitive, as is the clitoris. This is the female equivalent of the male foreskin, though it is much looser than that corresponding organ.

    If you see what looks like a button underneath the hood, then what you are seeing is the glans of the clitoris, exactly equivalent to your own penis glans, or head of the penis. If you see a bit more than that, then there is probably some of the shaft of the clitoris extending in your partner. I stress this since most men would not be particularly enthused by a blow job that only gave attention to their penis head and extended not a centimeter below there. Many might find it annoying or even painful, depending on how rough their partner is with them and how sensitive they are to pain in that area. However, told "give attention to the clitoris," by fable and book, many brave soldiers run to do battle on the field of their woman's desires with their tongue, only to find their partner is telling them to please stop, it hurts, or it doesn't do anything for me. This may or may not be a comment on your technique, some women don't like oral sex. I would just like to suggest an approach that probably has a higher average success rate.

    The shaft of the clitoris is attached internally, back into the body of the woman. Pressure on the spot above the glans and underneath the hood will generally give you access to the part of the shaft equivalent to the part of your penis that is towards your body, whereas underneath the glans will give you access to the part of the shaft that is equivalent to the part of your penis that is away from your body. It is likely that the skin directly below the glans will be functionally equivalent to what is for most men the most sensitive and pleasurable part of the penis for play, and the inner vaginal lips are also usually quite sensitive "in a good way." Going down/in/back, you may or may not see the urethra, if you do this is the location of the grafenberg spot (g-spot), which we have all heard on this newsgroup is quite varied in response, some women love stimulation there, others do not. Try licking your tongue around there, if it is visible, and see, in the course of your "investigations."

    O.K., so now you have the picture. You did trim/file your nails first, didn't you? Play with your hands, play with your mouth, go all over, gently at first, increasing stimulation and focus as her body responds, and coming in "closer on" the clitoral area as she becomes more aroused. Lick, suck, point your tongue and apply pressure, use it like a "miniature penis" under the glans, penetrating her as you go, make little circles with your tongue, lick up and down along the skin in front of the clitoris, up and down the inner vaginal lips, etc. These are ideas, find some others, listen to her responses and comments. Remember to GO SLOW --- I believe impatience and expectations of quick response are "generally recognized as" the most common error in sexual encounters. Eventually the clitoris will become probably become erect, and stimulation that is "more direct" (like enclosing your mouth on the area and gently sucking) will stimulate a sufficient amount of the organ in question to be interesting. Watch what you are doing, and what happens, the entire area will become "engorged" and swollen if things are proceeding closer to orgasm.

    Some women may not, or may prefer not, to orgasm this way. Most will probably, however, enjoy the experience a great deal. Hopefully this "explanation and comparison" to the corresponding male body parts will allow you to not be (still) in the dark with the lights on.
  19. $50 linux pda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What if somebody sold a $50 linux based pda. What is the minimum you want the device to have? Understand, not everything can be done at a $50 retail, yes five-zero, not five-zero-zero.

    What is too small, to slow, etc.

    Do you really need 200mhz and no battery life?

    1. Re:$50 linux pda by l33t+j03 · · Score: -1

      I would want it to run PocketPC.

    2. Re:$50 linux pda by k2r · · Score: 2, Interesting

      O.K. lets see what we need:

      Display:
      - since we won't get a decent Color display
      I'd like to have a B&W display with excellent
      contrast in any situation. Contrast is more important to me than greyscales, resolution is more important than greyscales.

      Speed:
      - I don't think that we can get mp3-support
      for 50$, so the speed of my Handspring Visor would
      be okay. Maybe a little faster.

      Interfaces:
      - It definitely would have to have a serial or
      USB port. I'd prefer USB.
      - It would have to connect to a mobile phone, so
      it would have to have IR, too.
      - Blutooh would be great for this, too, but might
      be too expensive

      Memory:
      4 MB RAM, 3 MMC-Slots.

      Input:
      I don't think that we'll get a decent HWR
      for this price - and I'm used to the
      HWR of the Newton MP2000.
      So give me an on-screen-keyboard and it'd
      be fine.

      Size/Proportions
      I want a pure big screen on the front and some buttons on the side, maybe a dial.
      Please no buttons on the front.

      Where do I have to sign?

      k2r

    3. Re:$50 linux pda by whitegold · · Score: 1

      I'm not much for linux myself, so I'll ignore that part of it, but one suggestion I'd make here is make it sort of "modular".

      For example, assuming it can do mp3 playback (powerwise) you need somewhere to put them. Lots of ram would up the cost too much so support for CF cards or something would be necessary. That would also give you the option to add extra functionality,like blootueth, etc : ) without upping the cost of the base unit.

      I suppose that's my main point. Hack down the main box so it's mostly featureless, and let people add what they want.

      Hell, isn't that what linux is all about?!

  20. This page is too narrow by by+FortKnox+on · · Score: -1

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  21. Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can't *one* of these PocketPC-driven PDAs have a decent sized screen at 480@320? Or does the PocketPC spec require 320@240? Anyone know?

    You can still have a small-enough device with a slightly bigger screen. But with one, you can potentially raise the usefulness of it. Am I the only one that uses a PDA for more than a datebook? Am I the only one who reads a lot of text, or takes a substantial amount of actual notes (not just quick jots)?

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    1. Re:Why the small screen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The Windows CE (Pocket PC) OS supports up to 640x480 standard, and I believe it could be custom linked to even larger res libraries if you have the platform builder. It also is not limited to the 16 bit (65535 color) screens currently popular with handheld makers, and can go up to 32 bit color easily. Hopefully more large res units will come out.

    2. Re:Why the small screen? by brogdon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Erm no, you can't. With technology where it is today in terms of miniaturization, there is no "extra" space for a bigger screen. Have you ever taken apart an iPaq? There's not exactly a ton of room in there.

      Most people want a PDA form factor that will either a) fit into a pants pocket or b) fit into a sport coat's pocket easily. There's just no room in devices of that size for a bigger screen right now.

      The tech's only going to get better, though, and the Sony units that have a clamshell design are a step in the right direction. In the meantime, if you're dying for a bigger screen, just get a true palmtop like the Libretto that Toshiba used to put out. Several ocmpanies still make comparable units, and they all have nice big screens.

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    3. Re:Why the small screen? by szcx · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Can't *one* of these PocketPC-driven PDAs have a decent sized screen at 480@320?
      How about 1024x768. It's kind of neat running a Jornada 565 at that resolution, but not very practical.
    4. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Informative

      Erm no, you can't. With technology where it is today in terms of miniaturization, there is no "extra" space for a bigger screen. Have you ever taken apart an iPaq? There's not exactly a ton of room in there.

      Erm, yes. I'm not talking about putting an extra screen *inside* an iPAQ. When LCDs get bigger, they don't generally get deeper, they get longer and wider. An iPAQ with a bigger screen would be taller and wider, but only by a couple inches or so. Not everyone would want to carry around a PDA that's that big, but I'm better that there are others who would find it to be a suitable trade off for having a screen that's twice as big.

      In the meantime, if you're dying for a bigger screen, just get a true palmtop like the Libretto that Toshiba used to put out.

      I don't want a palmtop PC. I want a PDA, sans keyboard, that has a screen of a decent size to use HWR for taking notes. I still use my Newton, and will do so until I find a PDA with a screen that's big enough. I don't want to use some piddly little keyboard either, I've found HWR is faster.

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    5. Re:Why the small screen? by Snowfox · · Score: 2
      Can't *one* of these PocketPC-driven PDAs have a decent sized screen at 480@320? Or does the PocketPC spec require 320@240? Anyone know?
      Would be nice. Bigger won't sell though. Most of the current crop are only borderline pocketable for mid-sided humans.

      Better resolution would be nice too, but LCD costs go up exponentially in the small sizes.

    6. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Yes, but without special support, most PocketPC apps would look downright goofy. PPC apps seem to rigidly expect portrait 240@320 for the most part, and look like hell in anything else. I imagine that the PPC specification requires a 320@240 screen, even though it would run on something more capable.

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    7. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I've played with something similar (Nyditot's Virtual Display) on my iPAQ. It's handy to rotate the display, so there's at least a decent width for writing notes. :)

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    8. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Oi. I know. No one bought the Newton because it was too damn big, among other things. Way to ruin my day. :P Incidentally, my pants (Carharts, if it matters, not huge baggy cargo pants) have no problem fitting one Newton MP2100 or two iPAQs with CF sleeves in one pocket. Perhaps everyone else is wearing skin-tight jeans?

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    9. Re:Why the small screen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not have the same size screen, but higher DPI ?

      Just as for desktop monitors, higher DPI would translate to better readibility.

      As an aside, I *hate* it when application coders don't realise that different displays have different DPIs. Hint to coders: If you code is working with lengths expressed in directly in pixels, you're usually doing something wrong!

      I *hate* it when X applications don't honour the fact my X server _knows_ it's serving a 120 DPI 1280x1024 15" display, not a crummy 75 dpi display...

    10. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Having the same size screen with a higher resolution and DPI wouldn't cut it either. It still doesn't increase the area on which I have to write on the screen, for real HWR. If anything else, I'd rather have a lower DPI screen at the same (320@240) resolution.

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    11. Re:Why the small screen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony is already doing this! See there latest new palm os based pda at:

      http://www.cliesource.com/cgi-bin/news.cgi?thread= 000056

      So shame on the pocket pc makers! Those lazy bastards. Reward sony, their new pda looks mega cool!

    12. Re:Why the small screen? by junkgui · · Score: 1

      Actualy most programs work on larger screens just fine including PocketIE, PocketWord, PocketExcel, I know this becuase www.jimmysoftware.com has put out drivers that create a large screen in software and shrink it before actually drawing it to the screen... It slows things down a little but increases the usability of PocketIE a lot, and gives everything a nice antialiased look.

    13. Re:Why the small screen? by brogdon · · Score: 2

      It sounds like you want to do away with the buttons and D-pad on PDA's completely, and just have one big screen. I can understand that, as I've often wanted the same thing.

      The only problem with this is that a lot of PDAs have hardware that takes up the entire depth of the unit in the same area as the buttons. The iPaqs, for example, have their speaker integrated with the directional button. It you extend the screen over the entire face of the device, you'll either have to kill the speaker or find some way to shrink it, which they have as yet to do. There are other components besides the speaker with the same issue, of course, that's just the first one that sprang to mind.

      As for increasing the size of the device, I think you'd be surprised how much difference an inch or two makes. It'll no longer fit in a pocket at that point, so you'd be relegated to carrying it solely in a briefcase or backpack which is a huge hassle, IMO.

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    14. Re:Why the small screen? by Chris+Frost · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fwiw, the Newton 2000/2100 had a 480x320 16-shade greyscale screen. (What did the eMate have, the same?) Internally it ran at 8bit color as well (there were video out cards which took advantage of this).

    15. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      I've used Nyditot Virtual Display, which does the same thing as JS Landscape. And there are a lot of programs that don't work in a different resolution very well. PocketIE and Word, and some other apps that have one big control that takes up most of the screen work fine... but plenty of other apps look like hell.

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    16. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Not quite. I'm OK with having the d-pad and buttons, but they're superfilous. For games, they're good though. Playing Tetris on the Newton blows, because of the lack of hardware buttons.

      But I never argued for getting rid of these. You can have hardware buttons and a bigger screen, they're not mutually exclusive, so I'm not sure why you're addresing it. :)

      Having a slightly larger device doesn't mean you have to have a dedicated case! I carry around a Newton MP2100 with no problems. In my pocket. And that's quite a bit bigger and heavier than an iPAQ with a larger screen. So no, I wouldn't be surprised. :P

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    17. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      I know. I have one. And the larger screen is precisely the reason I still carry it around and leave my iPAQ at home. The eMate had the same resolution and bit depth, but had a larger and lower DPI screen. By the reference to video cards, I assume you mean the PPT PCMCIA presenter and the like?

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    18. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      It looks cool, but the screen is still physically about the same size as the current PocketPC offerings- 3.5" diagnal on an iPAQ, 3.8" on the new Sony. Higher DPI though, so it'd look prettier, but still not be better for handwriting recognition. And besides, it's still running that toy OS, Palm OS. And no real HWR, still primitive character recognition! And a gimpy processor. But aside the short commings that make it almost useless to me, it looks like a cool toy. Perhaps when PalmOS moves to *ARM, has enough power to run Squeak and CalliGrapher it'll be worth checking out.

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    19. Re:Why the small screen? by Chris+Frost · · Score: 2

      Re the PPT PCMCIA Presenter, exactly.
      The Newton 2000/2001 and eMate's hardware was designed to allow for some awesome improvements. Too bad Apple wasn't able to exploit them.

    20. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      So very true. And the OS/NewtonScript system also allowed for some incredible extensions by users and developers. It's a shame that it was supplanted by the inferior excuses for PDAs we have today.

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    21. Re:Why the small screen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The screen can't be much larger for this to be a *handheld* computer. And don't be jealous that a PalmOS device just obsoleted all the PocketPC's out there...

    22. Re:Why the small screen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure that the real problem is that your silly Palm is still light years behind technology released in 1996?

    23. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Not quite, AC #2. Palm OS devices don't do anything more that the Newtons available in 1994, with new, specific technologies excepted. And when you move into the era of NewtonOS 2.0 in early 1996, that's when the Newton started doing a lot more than the current Palm OS units do now. Except color, something the Newton never had.

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    24. Re:Why the small screen? by jakew · · Score: 1

      Yeah, working for a WinCE 'systems integrator' I know.

      Microsoft place a huge number of requirements on specific WinCE platforms (eg PocketPC). This includes display size. They also have a large number of tests that devices have to pass.

      In addition, the shell is apparently hard-coded for that screen size.

  22. and it runs..... by crazney · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "Microsoft Pocket Pc2002 Software"...

    err yeah, I wont be buying that one.. but thanks!

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    1. Re:and it runs..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      way to make your own decisions and not just follow the crowd bucko.

  23. Cant install Mozilla.9.9 GRR by cb0y · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    On RH7.2:
    Downloaded Moz.9.9
    WTF , damn rpm needs mozilla-nspr, wtf is that and why isnt it part of the main rpm.

    rpmfind is broken too

  24. yes what we need by IAgreeWithThisPost · · Score: -1

    are more PDA's

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  25. the new sony is 320x480 by gonar · · Score: 2

    about the best so far in a pda...

    so, any bets on how long until this puppy is running linux?

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    1. Re:the new sony is 320x480 by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      The new Sony is 480@320, yeah. But it runs Palm OS. Why bother running Linux? I'd just be running the gimped out uClinux anyway.

      And even if it ran "real" Linux like on the Zaurus, it's still just a toy with no real HWR and inconsistent apps, as far as I'm concerned. And some people don't expect more that that, and that's fine. But I do. On neither Palm OS nor PDA Linux, there's no real handwriting recocgnition, and until one of those platform gets it (hopefully by the porting of CalliGrapher), they won't be of much use to me for anything more than an organizer and game boy.

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    2. Re:the new sony is 320x480 by Sc00ter · · Score: 2
      Ever run Linux on an iPaq? It's great.. With an IBM Microdrive you could get a whole dist. on the thing.. Load up some wireless network drivers and you can IRC, play MP3s, run Kword, Konquer, ssh to your server.. whatever you want. The handwriting is almost like the palms, or you can get one of those small keyboard things.

    3. Re:the new sony is 320x480 by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've never run it myself for an extended period of time, but played with it on my own and other iPAQs. I wasn't impressed. I could get an entire distro, sure, but what does that get me? It was designed for running on a PDA, and it shows. It does do the extra things that software running on a PDA should, to make the experience more coherent. It's an expensive toy. A fun one for many people, I do not doubt it. Because of this, I'm working on my own PDA environment (Dynapad) this summer. If may not be what you want, but it's what I want. out of a PDA. A software system that is personal and dynamic for a PDA, not just a port from the desktop, with the addition of a floating soft-keyboard.

      Having character recognition like on Palm OS isn't *real* HWR. Graffiti and xscribble are *character (or glyph) recognition* schemes not handwriting recognition.

      Real HWR is the HWR that can be found on the Newton, or WinCE devices using Transcriber or CalliGrapher. That is, I write on the screen in my real handwriting and it translates it to text. It's quite a bit faster and more natural than using a CR scheme like Graffiti. And Linux doesn't have it, making it a waste of time for a PDA platform for me.

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    4. Re:the new sony is 320x480 by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Oh, I almost forgot:

      A PDA shouldn't have to need a 300+MB microdrive just to be able to get some stuff done. That's what we call bloat. The system I'm working on fits a web browser, an email client, an ftp client, a telnet client, a webserver (for syncing), text editors, a 3D modeler and renderer, a high quality IDE (as in, more functionality than KDevelop) with GUI builder, and a full compiler and virtual machine in around 13 MB. Plus a lot of crap I can't remember ATM because I don't use it as often. :)

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  26. well... by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 1

    I still can't justify buying a PDA. Of course I don't work in the high tech IT industry where you need to keep 6,000 phone numbers, Shorthand notes not even you can read, and tetris handy.All for only $300! Now with unbearable web access! No thanks, I'll wait. When we get to PADD level technology, then I'll be seriously tempted...

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  27. When can we have the best of both worlds? by GuNgA-DiN · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I want a high-end PDA like this but I don't want to run a Microsoft OS or MS Software. I refuse to use "Pocket" anything. When is someone going to offer a good alternative? Or has Microsoft already won the high-end, color, PDA market?

    1. Re:When can we have the best of both worlds? by Geeky · · Score: 1

      How high do you want it? Top of the range PalmOS PDAs are pretty powerful, and with the Sony Clie you can get a decent 320x320 colour screen.

      The processor isn't that fast, but the OS is designed for it, so the PDA stays pretty responsive.

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    2. Re:When can we have the best of both worlds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out the Sharp Zaurus at www.sharpelectronics.com This baby runs on Linux and uses the ARM processor. I can't wait.

  28. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  29. If it doesn't run Linux, it's crap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Microsoft had their day, they abused their power, and now its time for them to die. No PDAs,.NET, gaming consoles, or whatever else they desperately reach for will save them. Access to our pockets DENIED.
    </troll>

  30. More XScale Info by Kaypro · · Score: 1

    Check it out here:

    Not sure if this is the one they used for the LOOX but it's worth a .... come on you know you want me to say it: LOOX

    OK I'm done now :(

  31. Noooo!!! by zulux · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Fisrt there were Japanese girls with semen on them! Bukake!

    Now their are Japanese PDAs with Semens on them!
    LOOX!

    (read the artical before modding)

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  32. ARM technology by apsio · · Score: 1

    I went looking for more info on ARM, found it is used everywhere. Here's the address:

    http://www.arm.com/sitearchitek/armwww.ns4/html/ ar m_powered?OpenDocument

    Hope someone finds it informative.

  33. Nice device, pity the software is screwed up by njdj · · Score: 1

    I want a PDA with good communications, but I'm not going to buy one that forces me to buy Micros**t software along with it.

  34. I prefer my Newton. by generic-man · · Score: 0, Troll
    Although I'm sure this PDA is highly "advanced" for a "Windows" "Operating System," it still can't hold a candle to my trusty old Apple Newton MessagePad 2000. Allow me to summarize the advantages of my *real* handheld over this so-called "Fujitsu" "PDA".
    • My Apple Newton MessagePad 2000 has real handwriting recognition, whereas Micro$oft Winblows CE (note clever use of subliminal imagery) does not. Learn a new handwriting scheme? No thanks, Billy-Bob. (That's a reference to Bill Gates, Chairman of Micro$oft (not "Microsoft."))
    • My Apple Newton MessagePad 2000 has a PCMCIA (Personal Computer Memory Card International Association) slot for easy expansion, whereas those dolts at "Fu" "jitsu" didn't put one in to their so-called "innovative" "PDA." Nice try, guys. While you're listening to "digital music", I'll be surfing the Internet using a real web browser and getting e-mail on a large screen.
    • I am boycotting Micro$oft, but I am not boycotting Apple. Another plus for me!
    In short, please do not support these so-called "advancements" in "technology." My Newton is all the PDA that any user could ever need. If you think otherwise, I should LART you with my clue stick!
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    1. Re:I prefer my Newton. by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My Apple Newton MessagePad 2000 has real handwriting recognition, whereas Micro$oft Winblows CE (note clever use of subliminal imagery) does not.

      Except for the fact that there is free software available from Microsoft called Transcriber (or Calligrapher) that does give you true handwriting recognition on the Pocket PC

      My Apple Newton MessagePad 2000 has a PCMCIA (Personal Computer Memory Card International Association) slot for easy expansion, whereas those dolts at "Fu" "jitsu" didn't put one in to their so-called "innovative" "PDA." Nice try, guys. While you're listening to "digital music", I'll be surfing the Internet using a real web browser and getting e-mail on a large screen.

      Most Pocket PCs include a Compact Flash Type I/II slot which means that we can add wireless NICs, modems, digital cameras, micro-drives, etc., just in a slightly different (smaller) format that what you use.

      I am boycotting Micro$oft, but I am not boycotting Apple. Another plus for me!

      Well good for you...

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    2. Re:I prefer my Newton. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the fact that there is free software available from Microsoft called Transcriber (or Calligrapher) that does give you true handwriting recognition on the Pocket PC

      Excuse me. "True" handwriting recognition? I'm sorry, but that just isn't true. I tried using a Pocket PC device with its "true" "handwriting" "recognition" about three years ago in a Circuit City, and I laughed so hard that the sales droids had to restrain me.

      Most Pocket PCs include a Compact Flash Type I/II slot which means that we can add wireless NICs, modems, digital cameras, micro-drives, etc., just in a slightly different (smaller) format that what you use.

      Yes, but with a PCMCIA slot I can use all of those CompactCrash devices with an adapter, plus the hundreds of PCMCIA devices already on the market. Just because you're locked into an inferior standard doesn't mean that you should drag the rest of us down with you.

      By the way, I'm boycotting you too.

    3. Re:I prefer my Newton. by grapeape · · Score: 1

      Umm you do realize of course that the PocketPC os wasnt even available 3 years ago...

  35. The real strength of the XScale is not the speed.. by waytoomuchcoffee · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...that's gravy. It's strength is its power consumption.

    The Xscale at 200Mhz will be using about 50mW, about the same as a Palm processor runs at now. Compare to the current StrongARM, which at 233Mhz (a slightly overclocked Ipaq) sucks down 900mw. The Xscale will be 15x or so less power-hungry than the StrongARM at 200.

    Or in other words, for the same power you get 5.4 mips with a 33 MHz Palm vs. over 300 mips for a Xscale.

    It also has an advantage as it "scales" what it needs depending on the app, hence the name. So if you are running a memopad type function, it will need less power, and if you are running Quake or something, it will go full-bore. Think of it as intelligent underclocking when needed.

    So in summary, the Xscale can have the computing power of a current Ipaq (more actually, they tweaked the core), at the same power consumption as a Palm (or much less depending on what types of apps you run). At 400Mhz, it will use about 3x the power of a Palm processor, but this will still be 5-6x less power than the StrongARM running at half the speed.

  36. Fastest arm? by scorcherer · · Score: 2

    Bah! Who needs those geek toys anyway? I'm off to do some karate. Brush up, brush down, Daniel-San, that's the way to get the fastest arms.

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  37. Re:The fastest ARM PDA --SH4 by CharlezManning · · Score: 1
    An SH4 is nothing like the poxy little SH3. A 128MHz SH4 will eat a 200MHz XScale. Maybe even eat a 300MHz XScale - depending on what you're doing.

    To get this speed with an SH4 you need a 64-bit data bus (big). It gets hot (ie needs very good cooling and chews up batteries).

    Thus,I doubt though you'll see any SH4-based PDAs (or if they are ever made I don't see them running anywhere near top performance)

  38. see here's my 2cents by aztektum · · Score: 1

    instead of higher res.. why not just use a lil bigger screen say.. four or five inch diagonal viewable size. i hate handhelds, they're so piddly.

    there's this crapy Disney movie that was on late like called Zenon or something and they had these all in one pda's (it did take place in the future and yes i realize its just movie magic) but they looked like they were about 5 inches across diagonally. so yeah.. my 2 cents

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