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Fujitsu Announces XScale PDA

Andrew Slough writes: "Fujitsu has announced the world's first PDA based on Intel's XScale architecture, making this the fastest ARM PDA in the world! Stories also at at Infosync and The Register. Pictures at PocketNow."

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  1. The fastest ARM PDA? by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What does that mean in the real world, versus say a 200Mhz Hitachi SH4? It just sounds weird seeing it called the fastest ARM PDA : Sort of like when pickup trucks have the best fuel economy in their category (which could mean that single model of pickup truck...). Will this be a super fast PDA? (And yes, to those who ask it does matter. With GPRS and other high speed connectivity issues real time compression/decompression, etc., matters more, and begs for increased power).

    1. Re:The fastest ARM PDA? by eples · · Score: 2


      What does that mean in the real world, versus say a 200Mhz Hitachi SH4?

      Well, since this one runs @ 300MHz, chances are good it can outperform the Hitachi. Plus, the PXA250 can run as high as 400MHz - I wonder if you can overclock this sucker since it only comes out of the box at 300MHz?

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    2. Re:The fastest ARM PDA? by Guignol · · Score: 2, Funny

      They mean for free fall
      The batteries are at the bottom of the device putting its mass center at its feet
      Also, it has a much better aerodynamic design taking advantage of it, so that air resistance is futile :)

    3. Re:The fastest ARM PDA? by martin-k · · Score: 2

      A 100 MHz SH3 or MIPS feels *worlds* slower than a 206 MHz StrongARM. So if Hitachi hasn't worked in any miracles in the SH4, any StrongARM/Xscale should be much zippier than SHx even at the same MHz.

      -Martin

  2. What a PDA is meant to be by nakhla · · Score: 2

    Nice. Very nice. Sleek, stylish, powerful. This is what a PDA is MEANT to be in order to succeed in the commercial world. It might not be styled for business use, but this one will definitely turn some heads in the commercial realm.

    I've often thought that Linux-on-the-desktop is a loosing battle. But, Linux-on-the-palmtop is definitely a battle that the Linux community could win. The biggest hurdle that needs to be overcome, however, is the "geek factor". Many of us techies design devices that WE would use. Here is a perfect example of a device that the typical consumer would find attractive. Build a stylish-looking device, design a pretty GUI, write intuitive applications, adhere to standards (such as vCard, vCal, etc.) so data can be shared across device platforms, and provide the ability to sync with existing software (i.e. Outlook on both Win and Mac, Netscape, Evolution, etc.) and a Linux-based PDA could DEFINITELY make some big inroads.

    The Zaurus is a nice little machine, but it won't make a splash. No one is going to buy it outside of the Linux community. But, if Sharp were to go all out and do something like this, Linux would definitely become more mainstream in the handheld market.

    1. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      What makes this PDA special over any of the other PocketPCs? It's not, except to number counting geeks like those of us on /..

      If numbers are any indication, Palm OS devices are what the business world wants. Not what I want, mind you, but that seems to be what the business world wants. A PocketPC with a faster processor won't make them all turn.

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    2. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If numbers are any indication, Palm OS devices are what the business world wants.

      I know that's what the numbers indicate, but I don't think the Palm is what the business world wants either. It just gets closer than the other offerings. What most of the business people that I know want is a device like the Pocket PC that has the battery life, price and reliability of a Palm. They also want better wireless connectivity and more memory. I've never heard anybody complain about the Palm crashing and losing its memory contents. However, my iPaq does that regularly. I know that my peers have had similar problems on other Pocket PC platforms. I always hesitate to press that little reset button because you never know if it will reboot with memory intact or not. Note that I do NOT have Pocket PC 2000 on my device, so maybe that's better.

      I firmly believe that when a company releases a very reliable, fast, powerful device with good battery life and a low price, you'll see all of the numbers change.

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    3. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by costas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Since I am in the market to replace my Vx, here's what I like about the Loox: SD and CF card slots (instead of just CF like HP, or just SD like Palm/Compaq or MemoryStick like Sony), jog dial (only Sony and Handspring), Color QVGA screen (only PocketPC), integrated Bluetooth (only Compaq).

      However, the most serious spec is missing: size. I like the iPaq, but it's too big for carrying around everywhere. If this thing is close to the T- or N- series Clie in size, I'll be first in line to get one.

    4. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Really? Now you're making me paranoid. I reset my iPAQ 3150 a lot, and have never had a problem. I'm using PPC2000. That blows. I've only had a loss of memory due to running completely out of battery (went unused for a few weeks).

      Frankly, I've always been appalled by the way PocketPCs and Palm OS devices handled the power thing. Has it changed on newer Palms, or do you still only have a couple seconds to replace the batteries before the tiny capacitor runs out, and all your memory is gone?

      On my Newton MP2100u, I've never had such a problem. Why, just the other day, I plugged it in to charge. However, I didn't push the battery pack in at all- absent mindedness. Unpluged it after a couple hours, and it sat overnight with no power whatsoever. The next morning, nothing is gone. Nothing is lost. All it takes is a little non-brain dead design, a little watch battery. Oi.

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    5. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by clare-ents · · Score: 2

      My m100 went for about a month without batteries and didn't lose any data.

      That might just be because I had a full up to date backup though.

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    6. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Ah, good. At least one of the current PDA manufacturers aren't retarded.

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    7. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      I was referring to all PalmOS devices regarding what has marketshare. At this point, all PalmOS devices are just nice little toys, but ones a lot of people like to play with. :)

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    8. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Really? Now you're making me paranoid. I reset my iPAQ 3150 a lot, and have never had a problem.

      I'm not really trying to make you paranoid. It's fresh in my mind because it happened to me AGAIN last week. This time, I was browsing the web through wireless LAN, when I received a message telling me that I needed to allocate more memory to storage space. Rather than transfer memory from system, I decided to clear my cache on the browser. When I did so, it gave me the cute little spinner. After watching the spinner and getting dizzy for about ten minutes, I finally gave up and presset the reset button. The device happily came up and asked me to start configuring it for first time use. It had lost EVERYTHING. I've had this happen before when I reset while a program was busy. I've also had it crash when installing / removing the PCMCIA jacket, and when inserting or removing cards. And the most frustrating is the crash that occurs by simply turning the device on. All of these hard crashes I've encountered could not be fixed by pressing the reset button. I was required to actually do a hard reset (with the switch) to make the device usable again.

      This wouldn't matter nearly as much if it didn't take close to an hour to do a backup or restore over ActiveSync. I probably just need to bite the bullet and get a flash card. But in my mind, if the device is THIS unreliable, it should have been provided WITH a flash card.

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    9. Re:What a PDA is meant to be by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      god man, that blows. Perhaps yet another reason not to upgrade to PPC2002? In testing my PDA environment, I've had to do my share of resetting during a busy-cursor, but never had that problem.

      Even having it come with a flash card is simply inexcusable. It should *not* be anywhere near that unreliable, it's just disgusting.

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  3. Re:Battery Life by Subliminal+Fusion · · Score: 2, Informative

    Then you must not have read the post at pocketnow. It's got a lithium-polymer battery that lets it run for 14 hours.

  4. /.'ed by flipflapflopflup · · Score: 2, Funny

    Warning: Too many connections in /home/httpd/pocketnow.com/htdocs/forums/admin/db_m ysql.php on line 32

    There seems to have been a slight problem with the database.

    Understated, I like it ;o)

  5. Some info about the XScale processors here by eples · · Score: 5, Informative


    Fujitsu's press release just said the chip was "high-performance", and after some digging I turned up this article which tells us that the Intel PXA250 can run at speeds as high as 400MHz. An excerpt:

    Designed for advanced PDAs, the PXA250 is available at speeds of 200MHz, 300MHz, and 400MHz. While designed for low power, the PXA250 offers a Turbo Mode for application acceleration and multimedia acceleration with Intel Media Processing technology. USB, 920Kbps Bluetooth wireless, and a 1.84MHz baseband interface are offered as communication interfaces, and an enhanced memory support 2.5 volt or 3.3 volt 16-bit or 32-bit memory.

    I feel so Dirty.

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    1. Re:Some info about the XScale processors here by geirt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why not go directly to the source:

      http://developer.intel.com/design/intelxscale/

      Here is the info on the PXA250 CPU .

      You will find specs, datasheets and all the goodies.

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  6. Old news... by brogdon · · Score: 4, Informative

    The LOOX was announced weeks ago. Brighthand already had a forum up for it in February. Toshiba also announced their next PocketPC (XScale processor and embedded 802.11b included) last month.

    A month behind the times? That's just shameful guys.

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  7. Re:arg! by pslam · · Score: 4, Informative
    XScale is *not* StrongARM, StrongARM is *not* ARM. So, calling this the fastest ARM PDA in the world is *incorrect* !

    While the core is very different to current "ARM" cores, the instruction set and patents are licensed from ARM. It runs ARM instructions natively. Saying it's not an ARM is like saying an Athlon isn't an x86 processor.

    It's basically an ARM9 core with the pipeline extended a bit and a DSP MAC unit bolted on the side. This equates to slightly faster than StrongARM speeds (per MHz) on most code, and maybe double on DSP.

  8. Re:arg! by RevAaron · · Score: 2

    Does not XScale implement a modified ARM instruction set? Not equivalent to the ARM, but a derivative, and there for "an" ARM.

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  9. Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can't *one* of these PocketPC-driven PDAs have a decent sized screen at 480@320? Or does the PocketPC spec require 320@240? Anyone know?

    You can still have a small-enough device with a slightly bigger screen. But with one, you can potentially raise the usefulness of it. Am I the only one that uses a PDA for more than a datebook? Am I the only one who reads a lot of text, or takes a substantial amount of actual notes (not just quick jots)?

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    1. Re:Why the small screen? by brogdon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Erm no, you can't. With technology where it is today in terms of miniaturization, there is no "extra" space for a bigger screen. Have you ever taken apart an iPaq? There's not exactly a ton of room in there.

      Most people want a PDA form factor that will either a) fit into a pants pocket or b) fit into a sport coat's pocket easily. There's just no room in devices of that size for a bigger screen right now.

      The tech's only going to get better, though, and the Sony units that have a clamshell design are a step in the right direction. In the meantime, if you're dying for a bigger screen, just get a true palmtop like the Libretto that Toshiba used to put out. Several ocmpanies still make comparable units, and they all have nice big screens.

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    2. Re:Why the small screen? by szcx · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Can't *one* of these PocketPC-driven PDAs have a decent sized screen at 480@320?
      How about 1024x768. It's kind of neat running a Jornada 565 at that resolution, but not very practical.
    3. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Informative

      Erm no, you can't. With technology where it is today in terms of miniaturization, there is no "extra" space for a bigger screen. Have you ever taken apart an iPaq? There's not exactly a ton of room in there.

      Erm, yes. I'm not talking about putting an extra screen *inside* an iPAQ. When LCDs get bigger, they don't generally get deeper, they get longer and wider. An iPAQ with a bigger screen would be taller and wider, but only by a couple inches or so. Not everyone would want to carry around a PDA that's that big, but I'm better that there are others who would find it to be a suitable trade off for having a screen that's twice as big.

      In the meantime, if you're dying for a bigger screen, just get a true palmtop like the Libretto that Toshiba used to put out.

      I don't want a palmtop PC. I want a PDA, sans keyboard, that has a screen of a decent size to use HWR for taking notes. I still use my Newton, and will do so until I find a PDA with a screen that's big enough. I don't want to use some piddly little keyboard either, I've found HWR is faster.

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    4. Re:Why the small screen? by Snowfox · · Score: 2
      Can't *one* of these PocketPC-driven PDAs have a decent sized screen at 480@320? Or does the PocketPC spec require 320@240? Anyone know?
      Would be nice. Bigger won't sell though. Most of the current crop are only borderline pocketable for mid-sided humans.

      Better resolution would be nice too, but LCD costs go up exponentially in the small sizes.

    5. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Yes, but without special support, most PocketPC apps would look downright goofy. PPC apps seem to rigidly expect portrait 240@320 for the most part, and look like hell in anything else. I imagine that the PPC specification requires a 320@240 screen, even though it would run on something more capable.

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    6. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I've played with something similar (Nyditot's Virtual Display) on my iPAQ. It's handy to rotate the display, so there's at least a decent width for writing notes. :)

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    7. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Oi. I know. No one bought the Newton because it was too damn big, among other things. Way to ruin my day. :P Incidentally, my pants (Carharts, if it matters, not huge baggy cargo pants) have no problem fitting one Newton MP2100 or two iPAQs with CF sleeves in one pocket. Perhaps everyone else is wearing skin-tight jeans?

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    8. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Having the same size screen with a higher resolution and DPI wouldn't cut it either. It still doesn't increase the area on which I have to write on the screen, for real HWR. If anything else, I'd rather have a lower DPI screen at the same (320@240) resolution.

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    9. Re:Why the small screen? by brogdon · · Score: 2

      It sounds like you want to do away with the buttons and D-pad on PDA's completely, and just have one big screen. I can understand that, as I've often wanted the same thing.

      The only problem with this is that a lot of PDAs have hardware that takes up the entire depth of the unit in the same area as the buttons. The iPaqs, for example, have their speaker integrated with the directional button. It you extend the screen over the entire face of the device, you'll either have to kill the speaker or find some way to shrink it, which they have as yet to do. There are other components besides the speaker with the same issue, of course, that's just the first one that sprang to mind.

      As for increasing the size of the device, I think you'd be surprised how much difference an inch or two makes. It'll no longer fit in a pocket at that point, so you'd be relegated to carrying it solely in a briefcase or backpack which is a huge hassle, IMO.

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    10. Re:Why the small screen? by Chris+Frost · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fwiw, the Newton 2000/2100 had a 480x320 16-shade greyscale screen. (What did the eMate have, the same?) Internally it ran at 8bit color as well (there were video out cards which took advantage of this).

    11. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      I've used Nyditot Virtual Display, which does the same thing as JS Landscape. And there are a lot of programs that don't work in a different resolution very well. PocketIE and Word, and some other apps that have one big control that takes up most of the screen work fine... but plenty of other apps look like hell.

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    12. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Not quite. I'm OK with having the d-pad and buttons, but they're superfilous. For games, they're good though. Playing Tetris on the Newton blows, because of the lack of hardware buttons.

      But I never argued for getting rid of these. You can have hardware buttons and a bigger screen, they're not mutually exclusive, so I'm not sure why you're addresing it. :)

      Having a slightly larger device doesn't mean you have to have a dedicated case! I carry around a Newton MP2100 with no problems. In my pocket. And that's quite a bit bigger and heavier than an iPAQ with a larger screen. So no, I wouldn't be surprised. :P

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    13. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      I know. I have one. And the larger screen is precisely the reason I still carry it around and leave my iPAQ at home. The eMate had the same resolution and bit depth, but had a larger and lower DPI screen. By the reference to video cards, I assume you mean the PPT PCMCIA presenter and the like?

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    14. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      It looks cool, but the screen is still physically about the same size as the current PocketPC offerings- 3.5" diagnal on an iPAQ, 3.8" on the new Sony. Higher DPI though, so it'd look prettier, but still not be better for handwriting recognition. And besides, it's still running that toy OS, Palm OS. And no real HWR, still primitive character recognition! And a gimpy processor. But aside the short commings that make it almost useless to me, it looks like a cool toy. Perhaps when PalmOS moves to *ARM, has enough power to run Squeak and CalliGrapher it'll be worth checking out.

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    15. Re:Why the small screen? by Chris+Frost · · Score: 2

      Re the PPT PCMCIA Presenter, exactly.
      The Newton 2000/2001 and eMate's hardware was designed to allow for some awesome improvements. Too bad Apple wasn't able to exploit them.

    16. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      So very true. And the OS/NewtonScript system also allowed for some incredible extensions by users and developers. It's a shame that it was supplanted by the inferior excuses for PDAs we have today.

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    17. Re:Why the small screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Not quite, AC #2. Palm OS devices don't do anything more that the Newtons available in 1994, with new, specific technologies excepted. And when you move into the era of NewtonOS 2.0 in early 1996, that's when the Newton started doing a lot more than the current Palm OS units do now. Except color, something the Newton never had.

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  10. the new sony is 320x480 by gonar · · Score: 2

    about the best so far in a pda...

    so, any bets on how long until this puppy is running linux?

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    1. Re:the new sony is 320x480 by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      The new Sony is 480@320, yeah. But it runs Palm OS. Why bother running Linux? I'd just be running the gimped out uClinux anyway.

      And even if it ran "real" Linux like on the Zaurus, it's still just a toy with no real HWR and inconsistent apps, as far as I'm concerned. And some people don't expect more that that, and that's fine. But I do. On neither Palm OS nor PDA Linux, there's no real handwriting recocgnition, and until one of those platform gets it (hopefully by the porting of CalliGrapher), they won't be of much use to me for anything more than an organizer and game boy.

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    2. Re:the new sony is 320x480 by Sc00ter · · Score: 2
      Ever run Linux on an iPaq? It's great.. With an IBM Microdrive you could get a whole dist. on the thing.. Load up some wireless network drivers and you can IRC, play MP3s, run Kword, Konquer, ssh to your server.. whatever you want. The handwriting is almost like the palms, or you can get one of those small keyboard things.

    3. Re:the new sony is 320x480 by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've never run it myself for an extended period of time, but played with it on my own and other iPAQs. I wasn't impressed. I could get an entire distro, sure, but what does that get me? It was designed for running on a PDA, and it shows. It does do the extra things that software running on a PDA should, to make the experience more coherent. It's an expensive toy. A fun one for many people, I do not doubt it. Because of this, I'm working on my own PDA environment (Dynapad) this summer. If may not be what you want, but it's what I want. out of a PDA. A software system that is personal and dynamic for a PDA, not just a port from the desktop, with the addition of a floating soft-keyboard.

      Having character recognition like on Palm OS isn't *real* HWR. Graffiti and xscribble are *character (or glyph) recognition* schemes not handwriting recognition.

      Real HWR is the HWR that can be found on the Newton, or WinCE devices using Transcriber or CalliGrapher. That is, I write on the screen in my real handwriting and it translates it to text. It's quite a bit faster and more natural than using a CR scheme like Graffiti. And Linux doesn't have it, making it a waste of time for a PDA platform for me.

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    4. Re:the new sony is 320x480 by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Oh, I almost forgot:

      A PDA shouldn't have to need a 300+MB microdrive just to be able to get some stuff done. That's what we call bloat. The system I'm working on fits a web browser, an email client, an ftp client, a telnet client, a webserver (for syncing), text editors, a 3D modeler and renderer, a high quality IDE (as in, more functionality than KDevelop) with GUI builder, and a full compiler and virtual machine in around 13 MB. Plus a lot of crap I can't remember ATM because I don't use it as often. :)

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  11. When can we have the best of both worlds? by GuNgA-DiN · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I want a high-end PDA like this but I don't want to run a Microsoft OS or MS Software. I refuse to use "Pocket" anything. When is someone going to offer a good alternative? Or has Microsoft already won the high-end, color, PDA market?

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  13. Re:$50 linux pda by k2r · · Score: 2, Interesting

    O.K. lets see what we need:

    Display:
    - since we won't get a decent Color display
    I'd like to have a B&W display with excellent
    contrast in any situation. Contrast is more important to me than greyscales, resolution is more important than greyscales.

    Speed:
    - I don't think that we can get mp3-support
    for 50$, so the speed of my Handspring Visor would
    be okay. Maybe a little faster.

    Interfaces:
    - It definitely would have to have a serial or
    USB port. I'd prefer USB.
    - It would have to connect to a mobile phone, so
    it would have to have IR, too.
    - Blutooh would be great for this, too, but might
    be too expensive

    Memory:
    4 MB RAM, 3 MMC-Slots.

    Input:
    I don't think that we'll get a decent HWR
    for this price - and I'm used to the
    HWR of the Newton MP2000.
    So give me an on-screen-keyboard and it'd
    be fine.

    Size/Proportions
    I want a pure big screen on the front and some buttons on the side, maybe a dial.
    Please no buttons on the front.

    Where do I have to sign?

    k2r

  14. Re:I prefer my Newton. by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My Apple Newton MessagePad 2000 has real handwriting recognition, whereas Micro$oft Winblows CE (note clever use of subliminal imagery) does not.

    Except for the fact that there is free software available from Microsoft called Transcriber (or Calligrapher) that does give you true handwriting recognition on the Pocket PC

    My Apple Newton MessagePad 2000 has a PCMCIA (Personal Computer Memory Card International Association) slot for easy expansion, whereas those dolts at "Fu" "jitsu" didn't put one in to their so-called "innovative" "PDA." Nice try, guys. While you're listening to "digital music", I'll be surfing the Internet using a real web browser and getting e-mail on a large screen.

    Most Pocket PCs include a Compact Flash Type I/II slot which means that we can add wireless NICs, modems, digital cameras, micro-drives, etc., just in a slightly different (smaller) format that what you use.

    I am boycotting Micro$oft, but I am not boycotting Apple. Another plus for me!

    Well good for you...

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  15. The real strength of the XScale is not the speed.. by waytoomuchcoffee · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...that's gravy. It's strength is its power consumption.

    The Xscale at 200Mhz will be using about 50mW, about the same as a Palm processor runs at now. Compare to the current StrongARM, which at 233Mhz (a slightly overclocked Ipaq) sucks down 900mw. The Xscale will be 15x or so less power-hungry than the StrongARM at 200.

    Or in other words, for the same power you get 5.4 mips with a 33 MHz Palm vs. over 300 mips for a Xscale.

    It also has an advantage as it "scales" what it needs depending on the app, hence the name. So if you are running a memopad type function, it will need less power, and if you are running Quake or something, it will go full-bore. Think of it as intelligent underclocking when needed.

    So in summary, the Xscale can have the computing power of a current Ipaq (more actually, they tweaked the core), at the same power consumption as a Palm (or much less depending on what types of apps you run). At 400Mhz, it will use about 3x the power of a Palm processor, but this will still be 5-6x less power than the StrongARM running at half the speed.

  16. Fastest arm? by scorcherer · · Score: 2

    Bah! Who needs those geek toys anyway? I'm off to do some karate. Brush up, brush down, Daniel-San, that's the way to get the fastest arms.

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