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Red Hat Explains ArsDigita Purchase

hezron writes "Red Hat VP, Howard Jacobson, sent a mass email explaining their acquisition of ArsDigita's assets. Here is the press release concerning the acquisition." The press release is actually a quick FAQ about the purchase - Howard does a good job of explaining the purchase and the reasons for it. Howard's a smart guy, and I hope that the purchase of AD will mean a longer life then how AD's past management was handling it.

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  1. "Quick FAQ" is right! by sharp-bang · · Score: 5, Funny

    The is the first press release I've ever seen from a publicly traded comapny that consisted entirely of bullet points...

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    1. Re:"Quick FAQ" is right! by baptiste · · Score: 4, Funny
      The is the first press release I've ever seen from a publicly traded comapny that consisted entirely of bullet points...

      Which is nice, but I think they got a BIT repetitive. If I read "Red Hat will" or "Open Source (roots|software)" one more time. All I kept thinking was 'Bob Dole thinks he...' He always spoke in the 3rd person :)

      Should be interesting to see where ACSJ goes from here!

  2. this is good for arsDigita by ChenLing · · Score: 4, Interesting

    arsDigita has great engineers, and pretty good technology (a few bugs, but mostly worked out now). The really bad part (and what drove aD into the ground) was bad management. As the only (AFAIK) profitable open source based company, Redhat should know a thing or two about running a business well. Hopefully they'll be able to restructure the aD assets and personnel, and really add to the community.

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    1. Re:this is good for arsDigita by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Arsdigita had great engineers. Not to belittle those who are left, several of whom I have great respect for, but the majority of the developers were laid off in the acquisition.

  3. Article expanded my vocabulary! by acordes · · Score: 5, Funny

    I believe that's the first time I've ever seen the word "fetishistically" used. I will definitely have to work that into my everyday speech.

    1. Re:Article expanded my vocabulary! by dhamsaic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Every once in a while I like to masturbate a new word into my vocabulary, even if I don't know what it means.

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  4. Will this press release bore the hell out of all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    * RedHat recognizes that press releases are boring.
    * RedHat has long been a proponent of boring press releases.
    * In light of this historic relationship, this press release will bore the hell out of everyone who reads it.

  5. Re:From the FAQ by reaper20 · · Score: 3, Informative

    * Red Hat has been a strong contributor to creation and enhancement of Open Source software.

    Ummm, let's see, Alan Cox on the kernel, Chris Blizzard on Mozilla, Havoc on Gnome, bero does KDE packages

    Those are the ones on the top of my head. I probably forgot a few, but GNOME, gcc, and certainly Mozilla on Linux wouldn't be as far as they are today without the Red Hat guys.

  6. Re:I like RedHat but... by StudMuffin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The reason is simple...

    Greylock was the VC firm behind both RedHat and Ars Digita. RedHat's 'purchase' of Ars Digita allows Greylock to bury the aD losses in the RH books, as well as give a glimmer of hope to the ACS product making the light of day again.

    About the Ars Digita staff going to RedHat - the total number appears to be about 10 to 15 people, so it's hardly the flood of engineers. RedHat got ACS for a song. And to think that two years ago when aD approached RedHat about putting ACS into the standard distro, they laughed in our faces.

    (Yes, I was an aD wonk)

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  7. Looks to me... by banky · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It looks ot me like Red Hat wanted some Java programmers in its payroll. Since Sun is now starting to talk Linux more, and a lot of people think that there is a 'showdown' brewing between Java/J2EE and .NET, Red Hat is afraid of being marginalized between the two. Now they have a Java toolkit and the programmers to use it.

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    1. Re:Looks to me... by bonius_rex · · Score: 3, Interesting
      This "showdown" is a Big_Fucking_Deal(TM).

      Sun's refusal to open Java to a standards body is making it really hard for me (a card-carrying Open-Source-Looney) to figure out what is better long term. I'm all for open standards, and (on the surface, at least) it looks like .NET is more open than J2EE. (Microsoft, has at least submitted some of .NET to ECMA)

      Is this a correct analysis? Something the back of my mind tells me I've just been tricked...

      I have always been of the mind that the trio of Sun/Netscape/Oracle was the One_True_Religion, but now I'm not so sure.

  8. Background by Futurepower(tm) · · Score: 3, Informative


    See this for background about ArsDigita:

    ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up by Philip Greenspun

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  9. No subscription for me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I hope that the purchase of AD will mean a longer life then how AD's past management was handling it."
    Ouch, so close! Only a few more hours and Slashdot would have had my $120! I guess you just can't lose a bet against Slashdot grammar. This time it was Hemos, not Taco. The illiteracy twins are at work again.

  10. Well, this ought to please cheapbytes! by abe+ferlman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Compare this short notice:

    Note: Sun's trademark prevents us from calling the software "ACS Java", though "ACS for the Java Platform" is OK. Hence the abbreviation "ACSJ".

    To this unfortunate obfuscation at cheapbytes.com:

    Looking for CDs containing the downloadable
    version of the XXX XXX Linux distribution?

    Hint: The name has to do with an article of clothing
    to keep your head warm.

    We can't call it by it's real name due to trademark law.
    Our president will be providing a statement and information at
    a later time regarding this subject. Please be informed about
    this matter prior to jumping to any erroneous conclusions.


    Cheapbytes, IANAL and this is not legal advice, but if the statement above is good enough for redhat, I wonder what could prevent you from saying something like

    Note: Red Hat's trademark prevents us from calling the software "Red Hat", though "XXX XXX" is OK. Hence the abbreviation "XXX XXX".

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  11. Re:Let's define what a CMS is... by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Funny

    CMS is a proactive collaboration toolkit based on fundamental shifts in paradigm in the sector of flattening orginizations. This will allow for B2B and B2C relationships in cyberspace, thus increasing flow of information and ideas, in an interactive way.

    BINGO!

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  12. Moving to compete with VA? by nzkoz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Looking at the press release, I noticed the following bullets:

    • Red Hat has been a strong contributor to creation and enhancement of Open Source software
    • Collaborative process is at the heart of Open Source software development
    • The collaborative Open Source process allows widely distributed contributors to participate

    Perhaps RedHat is moving to provide a collaborative development platform ..... ala SourceForge Enterprise edition. Could VA's SourceForge business be about to get another competitor. Of course, if you believe what their CEO had to say on their last conference call, they don't have competitors.

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  13. Re:But... by __past__ · · Score: 4, Interesting
    All of those are much slower than the equivalent C code.

    Proof? Of course, there cannot be one, but if you like benchmarks, compare the Great Computer Language Shootout. Though C "wins", I wouldn't exactly call it "much slower".

    They all use byte-code or generate C code, then compile the C code.

    Wrong. For all languages I mentioned there are native compilers available. For all (AFAIK, not sure about Standard ML), there are also bytecode compilers available, for some also compilers to C.

    BTW, nobody would ever be so stupid to first generate bytecode, then C out of this (At least I hope so). Oh, and assembly isn't what you compile to in the end, thats why there are assemblers.

    None that I know of generate assembly language directly.

    If you talk of generating native binaries directly, you surely should try to get to know more. Here are a few:

    I'm sure you'll find more.
  14. Re:Let's define what a CMS is... by denshi · · Score: 5, Informative
    The other poster's cynical point are correct, but not technically useful. I'll handle that.

    CMS is software to define rules to manage content production and publication. So if you were to download and install the aD CMS, you would get all of the above, except integrated. So you post content as with the publishing system like Slash, but you can collaboratively author and manage said content a la SourceForge. The previous four are part of the basic ACS system; they are necessary but not sufficient to describe CMS. Additionally, the focus of CMS is to manage content -- so the CMS software also allows you to write the control flow of content and integrate it with all the above. So rather than being limited to the rules for posting on /. or Scoop, you can define the rules for "such and such must review, approve here, loop and edit, comment, publish, email, repeat" or whatever you come up with on-site.

    Of course, unless you have a penchant for Java-flavoured pain, it might be easier to use the CMS with OpenACS 4.5beta1 than the packages from a defunct company that fired most of their programmers. Still, it's nicer than what Vignette will charge you 6 figures for.

  15. Hah! A face saving move... by aquarian · · Score: 3, Insightful
    RedHat's 'purchase' of Ars Digita allows Greylock to bury the aD losses in the RH books

    You're being way too polite... this was nothing but a face-saving move by the vulture capitalists... better than just saying the company tanked and shut its doors (which is the real truth).

  16. Nomenclature by flacco · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've always thought that "ArsDigita" would be a great name for a proctologist's practice.

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  17. Re:But will ACS/Java be truly open? by dhogaza · · Score: 5, Informative
    Learn Tcl and join the OpenACS effort.

    We've got one thing aD never had - a truly community-based and community-supported development effort.

    aD shut their "luser" community out (pronounce it out loud and you'll understand their attitude, starting with Philip Greenspun and never modified thereafter, no matter what disputes he and the VCs might've had), refusing bug fix patches, design input, etc from the large set of folks interested in the fruit's of Philip's efforts to start a company devoted to providing an open source toolkit for web development (but based on Oracle because that's how you Get Rich Quick!)

    Well ... the OpenACS community is certainly weaker in numbers and in hours (we all work for a living doing something else, typically custom client development).

    But ... we stumble along and have a few coups of our own, such as an OpenACS application winning a prestigous mobile computing award in the UK recently.

    I think it is great that RedHat intends to continue forth with ACSJ, if true.

    But ... our little project won't care. We have a half-dozen or so companies making a living off our cooperative efforts (a socialist-capitalist mind-meld, if you will, as we have our separate businesses, compete, yet cooperate on the shared toolkit). So we're motivated to suceed.