Slashdot Mirror


Review: Showtime

Do they think we're so stupid that we are going to take media/celebrity ethics lectures from a movie made and owned by AOL/Time-Warner? (Of course they do.) Add Showtime to that long list of movies that could have so easily been better. This film is confused: On the one hand, it wants to be a movie about media obsession with celebrity and violence, and also a spoof of vigilante and cop movies and a dis on reality shows. It also wants to rag on its two stars, Robert DeNiro and Eddie Murphy. And then, inexplicably, it wants to be a cop movie, crammed with chases, fistfights, machine-gun blasts, car crack-ups, spent shells, fires and explosions. You can't have it every which way, guys. The end result is a mish-mash film that is sometimes funny -- especially when Murphy and DeNiro are going at one another -- but is mostly boring and lame. It always comes down to the writing, doesn't it?

The best way to describe this movie is good-natured. Murpy, DeNiro, Rene Russo, William Shatner and Mos Def all know what they're doing, but the script doesn't really give them much worth doing. The rather tired premise is the pairing of a tough-guy detective (DeNiro, obviously) with the wise-ass, media savvy urban black cop (Murphy), both enthusiastically manipulated by the stop-at-nothing, no-holds barred and exploitive producer (Russo). The LAPD, seeking better publicity than it's been getting the last couple of years, orders the two to participate in a cop-reality-show called Showtime. Murphy's character, who is dying to be in the movies, is thrilled, hamming it up for the cameras. He essentially plays his character in Beverly Hills Cop, which is funny enough, but a bit tired. DeNiro, a hard-ass from the old school, is ethical, horrified and reluctant to participate. While Murphy's character sees him as a dinosaur, DeNiro's sees his young partner as an incompetent hotdog.

In fact, DeNiro seems to have made a career (Analyze This, and most recently Meet the Parents), out of laughing at his own tough-guy persona, which is really a shame. He hasn't had a serious role in a few years, and this spoofing of spoofs of spoofs is getting old. In the movie, the two don't like one another, at least at first, but -- shock of shocks -- learn to deal with it, as the bad guys (a drug dealer and his gang) get their hands on shockingly lethal hand-tooled shotguns with uranium-tipped shells that can level whole buildings in just a few seconds. The movie is meant to be a satire -- Johnnie Cochran's appearance is a hoot, and so are the Jackie-Chan style outtakes at the end -- but for a satire to work, the story has to be funny and/or biting. This movie, on the whole, is neither. The plot is too stupid to carry any freight, even these talented actors. And the film says nothing about our media or celebrity culture that hasn't been said a zillion times, usually better.

The movie does have its entertaining moments, most of them clustered at the beginning and end, around all of the car chases and explosions, but you may leave Showtime thinking it's time for Eddie Murphy to find a role where he can be funnier, and for DeNiro to stop laughing at himself and start being himself again. And enough media/celebrity narcissism. We get it.

150 comments

  1. Down to the writing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sometimes I think Katz enjoys the ragging... bringing up the topic of boring/lame writing is just asking for it...

    1. Re:Down to the writing by Captain+Pedantic · · Score: 1

      Do they think we're so stupid that we are going to take open source ethics lectures from a website run and owned by VA Software? (Of course they do.) Add Slashdot to that long list of websites that could have so easily been better. This site is confused: On the one hand, it wants to be a site about media promotion of free and open software, and also a bastion of free speech and anti-censorship and a dis on corporate policies. It also wants to rag on its two stars, Rob 'CmdrTaco' Malda and Whatever 'Cowboy' Neal. And then, inexplicably, it wants to be a subscription site, spoiled by trolls, mod wars, page widening, first posting, crap +5 jokes, losers and whiners. You can't have it every which way, guys. The end result is a mish-mash site that is sometimes funny -- especially when Jamie and Sllort are going at one another -- but is mostly boring and lame. It always comes down to the writing, doesn't it?

      --

      None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
  2. Movies. by ralian · · Score: 1, Redundant
    This is "News for Nerds"?

    Le sigh.

    --

    -raph

    1. Re:Movies. by killmenow · · Score: 2

      This is news for nerds because it helps them decide whether they want to go ahead and d/l it from usenet or not.

    2. Re:Movies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      usenet?!?!?!?! u need better hookups.

    3. Re:Movies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      usenet is the perfect hookup.

      resident evil, centropy telesync, same day as the movies release, its posted.

      no waiting in irc dcc lines, no slow ftps..no ratios..

  3. films by 56ker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well if this is the best Hollywood can come up with I'll stay at home. Mind you it's been months since any new film seemed good enough to actually go and see. I suppose these are the sorts of films we get outside of the holiday season - when most people have other things to do with their time.

    1. Re:films by broohaha · · Score: 0

      There are a lot of good films out there. We just don't hear about them.

      Here's a good flick, Monster's Ball. Perhaps you've heard of this one. There was much ballyhoo about the film last year from news that there's a naked Halle Berry scene, but that aside, it's filled with excellent acting (especially from Berry).

      Oddly enough I really haven't heard much of the film since then. Just rave reviews via word of mouth from friends who've seen it and, of course, the above-referenced column by Roger Ebert.

  4. news for nerds.... by 56ker · · Score: 0, Redundant

    But is this stuff that matters? Is it?

    1. Re:news for nerds.... by keflex · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but does it matter any less that yet *another* case-mod submission? Yeah, thought so...

      --


      My karma is -1 because I don't use AC posting. LOL.
  5. crazy iMac placement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the computers in movies for several years have been Macintoshes, maybe because the Mac is the only computer that doesn't look like every other computer and therefore benefits from product placement. But this is the first movie in which an entire iMac commercial runs on TV in the background of a shot.

    1. Re:crazy iMac placement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      --Roger Ebert

    2. Re:crazy iMac placement by rbruels · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Good points, though, it was actually a commercial for a PowerBook G4 Titanium... and, the head of the TV studio was using a G4 Cube. There were a good number of other Apple product placements in the movie, which is good, because Apple's systems are actually visually appealing, which on the whole I have yet to see from any other computer manufacturer. I still have not figured out why 99% of computer manufacturers think computing should be *ugly.*

      Sony comes close to looking good, until you realize the MX model (shown) starts at $2700. The other Sony computers are just the standard "beige-with-color-tints" which are popular with PC manufacturers now -- their half-effort imitation of Apple's first iMac.

      I did find it a little strange in Showtime that they looped the PowerBook G4 ad on that TV set about three or four times, though. ;)

      --

      "All your base are belong to this file I send in order to have your advice."
    3. Re:crazy iMac placement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Becuase a computer isn't supposed to be flashy. Beige is the least noticable color. People don't want a cool hip in your face extreme computer they just want to stuff it in the corner and not notice it.

      When will vcr companies stop making these black box vcrs, vcrs would be so much better if they where neon green with flourescent pink highlights!

    4. Re:crazy iMac placement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok there was supposed to be sarcasm tags around the last line but the LAMEness filter stripped them out. Yes that shoddy filter really makes me want to subscribe so much!

    5. Re:crazy iMac placement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geez... someone tell thinkgeek that, will they? They've been selling all these case mods to make your case flashy, and no one wants to make their case flashy!

      Face it, there is a market for 'flashy', don't look like they came out of the 80's computer cases, sure, you may not want them, but there's also people who don't mind if their case puts out more than 60 dB's with the CPU fan alone.

      By your reasoning, there shouldn't be luxury cars, after all, a car isn't supposed to be comfortable, it's supposed to be a device that gets you from point A to point B, which means the Model T is the pinnacle of success...

    6. Re:crazy iMac placement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh the difference between a luxury car and a peice of shit is whats under the hood and in the cockpit, not how obnoxious of a paintjob you can slap on it.

      If you just go by looks you might actually think a hyandai is good...until you actually drive it.

      And oh yes thinkgeek is such a massive success that's why their parent company is in such good shape...

  6. Yeah... by Cyph · · Score: 5, Funny

    "It always comes down to the writing, doesn't it?"

    I guess that's why you're not working for Wired anymore, Jon. *grin*

    1. Re:Yeah... by ralian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Funny how all these people that hate Katz so much still keep coming back to his columns anyway. A true nerd loves a flame war, I guess.

      --

      -raph

    2. Re:Yeah... by Cyph · · Score: 1

      Actually, I don't hate Katz, I just find most of his
      "reviews" to be stupid, but I gotta admit, he writes some good stuff from time to time. Unfortunately, this is not one of those times.

    3. Re:Yeah... by Accipiter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's like someone once said:

      Reading Katz is like passing a really bad auto accident. You know you're going to be horrified if you look, but you look anyway.

      I think that says it all.

      --

      -- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?
      (If you can't figure out how to E-Mail me, Don't. :P)

    4. Re:Yeah... by furchin · · Score: 1

      Wired has actual articles?

    5. Re:Yeah... by jeffehobbs · · Score: 1
      Murpy ?

      Katz, do you even read through your own stuff once ? ~jeff

    6. Re:Yeah... by MisterBlister · · Score: 2

      Sometimes its fun to watch someone make an ass of himself. I used to watch Rush Limbaugh once in a while even though I never agreed with anything he said and thought he was a huge fat jackass.

    7. Re:Yeah... by kko · · Score: 1

      Well, life has been better for me since I blocked Katz's articles... I suggest all those who dislike his writings do the same....

      --
      No, seriously, I just come here for the articles.
  7. Trademark problems? by yerricde · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Showtime is the name of a premium movie channel owned by Viacom.

    Showtime is also a film directed by Tom Dey produced by AOL Time Warner, who owns HBO, which competes with Showtime the channel.

    Wait till Showtime the movie hits cable. Watch the legal sparks fly.

    --
    Will I retire or break 10K?
    1. Re:Trademark problems? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Apple Computer - Apple Records

      You can have the same name for two commercial ventures if they operate in different businesses.

      Showtime - a movie
      Showtime - a softcore porn channel

  8. De Niro's roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


    Methinks that his part in The Score was no spoof. Or in that movie (I forget the title) in which he plays a homophobic guy felled by a stroke. They are both recent movies.

  9. DeNero in Taxi Driver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Taxi Driver is my favorite DeNero movie. He plays a character named Travis who drives a taxi. Travis is disgusted with the urban life and the scum that surrounds him. He's going to clean things up, and that he does, including what he refers to as "skunk pussy". He becomes a hero after he takes out the pimps and drug dealers in a shooting rampage.

    Taxi Driver - four stars and two thumbs up.

  10. sometimes a chair is just a chair by RN · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Jon, not every movie is intended as message or a lecture about some issue. seems you like to think every movie contains one, but it's more like you're reading into something that's just not there.

    btw, please stop harping on ethics when you still haven't answered your "message from kabul" hoax.

  11. Hah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A "hard-ass from the old school," Jon? Do you ever wonder why you're writing for someone's weblog now, rather than Wired? If not, try running your articles past an English professor sometime, I'm sure they'd be glad to point out to you the reasons you don't deserve employment.

  12. The writing matters... by hyrdra · · Score: 4, Funny

    It always comes down to the writing, doesn't it?
    Somehow this phrase is even more evident when reading a Jon Katz editorial, not always in the context of what he's reviewing.

    --


    "I'll just chip in a bit for RedHat: I actually have that installed on my university machine." - Linus, '95
  13. Everything would be better if.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    JonKatz was the sole creator. JonKatz would write the greatest books, the best screenplays, and be the most 31337 h4x0r in z w0rld.


    In JonKatz we trust.

  14. DeNiro not serious? by Pope · · Score: 3, Informative

    Heat + Casino, 1995
    Ronin, 1998
    Men Of Honor, 2000
    15 Minutes + The Score, 2001

    I think he's trying to not be sterotyped by doing more comic roles. They may not always succeed, but at least he's not stuck playing "Mob Boss #2" for the rest of his life.

    --
    It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
    1. Re:DeNiro not serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what about Bringing out the Dead? Was that a fuckin' satire?

    2. Re:DeNiro not serious? by Purple_Walrus · · Score: 1

      Men of Honour was a serious movie?

      --
      ------
      Sig
  15. For the writer's-eye-view by Scareduck · · Score: 5, Insightful
    go here. The problem with this movie is the usual story -- too many cooks in the kitchen. But that's not unusual; a friend who works for a major studio once told me that, on one feature he was working, the filming process looked something like
    • Film five minutes of material, six different ways.
    • Record test audience's reaction to all six sequences.
    • Discard lowest-rated pieces.
    • Lather, rinse, repeat until you have 120 minutes of material.
    There are a lot of people in the "industry", especially the non-acting union-represented trades, who are worried about production flight, and rightfully so. A lot of shooting has migrated to Canada over the last few years because of tax subsidies film and TV production receives in the Great White North. The real reason Hollywood is exporting jobs to Canada is that the producers can make big, expensive mistakes for far less. (However, this is changing, I'm to understand: in the first place, Canadians are sick of paying gazigabucks for film subsidy; and in the second place, California's state legislature has passed special tax cuts for film industry types so they can fuck up more cheaply in state. I love how everyone in Hollywood is a liberal until it comes time to pay the rent.) Nobody in Hollywood knows how to make a movie. Everybody wants to be seen having a part -- hence the proliferation of credited producer and assistant producer roles. The bureaucracy beggars the lexicon. As a result, only "safe" movies ever get made, "safe" being defined as "will a teen-age boy go see it?" The consistent exceptions, unsurprisingly, seem to be coming from Pixar, which is far away from Hollywood's stinking tarpits.
    --

    Dog is my co-pilot.

    1. Re:For the writer's-eye-view by Jboy_24 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Its funny how you say that Hollywood's direction towards safe, predictable formula films is a result of the flight of films from Hollywood to areas such as Vancouver, Toronto or Montreal.

      First, the prime reason Canada is atractive is that you can pay someone in Vancouver $40,000/yr Canadian, and they'll have a killer apartment downtown and live large on the town. Most likley a salary like that means you are into the realm of owning a condo.
      Thus, you are getting cheap, highly skilled labour at a fraction (63%) of the cost of the same american labour.

      But then what about the stars and higher paid folk? Well, up to last year, in British Columbia the top tax bracket (55%) started at $75,000/yr Canadian. (Thats around $40k us). Plus the numerous other taxes, 13% sales tax for example, in order to get the american talent to work up in canada, the government gives producers tax breaks and low interest loans.

      All in all it works out. At first all of the production came from US companys, but quite a few Canadian production company's are starting to produce content that is doing well in the US market. You have to ask yourself, why in this global economy does all prodcution of film/video have to be centered in one small area (LA)? Why is it 'bad' that other areas in the world are starting to produce?

      And as this pertains to the quality of entertainment. Alot of producers have used the lower cost to produce in Canada as an oppurtunity to try riskier more independant films. The more that something costs, the less likely people are going to take a risk.

      As far as Canadians getting sick of the gazigabucks tax subsidy. Given the outcry over XFiles leaving Vancouver, the fact that the Liberal party won all but 3 seats (over the labour party NDP) on a promise to lower taxes and bring in more business, I don't know for whom you are speaking.

    2. Re:For the writer's-eye-view by Scareduck · · Score: 1
      Its funny how you say that Hollywood's direction towards safe, predictable formula films is a result of the flight of films from Hollywood to areas such as Vancouver, Toronto or Montreal.
      No, I never said that. What I did say is that Canadian film subsidy allows US producers to dither and make films by committee for less than it would cost in Hollywood. The fact is that the people greenlighting scripts, hiring stars, and doing all the other things involved with actually producing the movie all still act exactly the way they do when they're making a movie in Hollywood, but the costs are lower because of Canadian content subsidies. The real issue is that if these idiots knew what they were doing, they wouldn't need to have an army of assistant executive producers (read: Tom Cruise's agent, the guy who swung the financing deal from an Asian bank, the lawyer who weaseled the contracts to prevent any meaning to the words "profit participation") -- and they wouldn't shoot in Canada.
      --

      Dog is my co-pilot.

    3. Re:For the writer's-eye-view by Jboy_24 · · Score: 1

      If I hadn't posted, I think I would have used my moderation points to rate this as a troll.

      What is inheriantly wrong about shooting in Canada? (I am canadian btw) I think many people would say Xfiles changed for the worse when it moved from Vancouver, and a lot of good films are made. I would put "The Sweet Hereafter" as one of the most powerful films made.

      Again, the 'subsidies' you mention are primarily the lower canadian dollar and the lower cost of living in Vancouver compared major american cities. And a government that encourages development by giving Movie Production a level tax field with the US, compared to the incredibly restrictive ones put on other industries.

      And at its core, I still think your basic logic is still flawed. The more money that is put on the line, the more likely that investors will demand some gaurantees as to their investment. These can be given by frequent test audiences to 'gaurantee' that the public will like the show.

    4. Re:For the writer's-eye-view by nickynicky9doors · · Score: 2

      Wow real writer type people! I'll bet with all the debate about tax breaks and job flow, it's horribly (big word) arduous to write up to one's true standards. What was it J. Joyce said of 'Finnegan's Wake' (sp) "It took me seventeen years to write it. It can take them seventeen years to read it." Whoa extreme d00d! But then he was just some crazy who didn't write for a pay check or work for some mega corporation and beef about others stealing their market share.

      cheers

      The movie business is an adventure in trade. It's a manufacturing concern and it produces what sells. To write for Hollywood you have to be a '...poor dumb son of a bitch.' Leave the art of crafting one phoneme to another out of the picture. Go grab a drink pool side at the Polo Club and bitch about how much money you didn't make and leave the writting to those in garrets (yea they still live in small bed sitting rooms) who go hungry and slightly mad to learn their craft.

      Since I'll probably get modded down for this... Katz is just a fine fit for /. and spelling and grammar do not a writer make. I believe it was old man papa Hemmingway who said if he had to choose between the erudite writtings of T.S. Eliot and Conrad then he'd be on the way to England to grind Eliot to pepper flakes

      --

      heuristic algorithm seeks stochastic relationship
    5. Re: For the writer's-eye-view by Scareduck · · Score: 1

      Thank you for that, but I don't think Jboy is a troll; more likely, he's another overly-sensitive Canadian who takes offense at the suggestion that people from El Lay wouldn't want to shoot in Canada given the opportunity. Well, y'know, it's the weather, eh? And BTW, the reason X-Files left Canada was because its stars couldn't stand the damn cold, so it's not like I'm making this up.

      --

      Dog is my co-pilot.

    6. Re:For the writer's-eye-view by Scareduck · · Score: 1

      Don't think anyone in "the industry" has any illusions about filmmaking as art. I was last night at the home of a fairly successful screenwriter, who told me how he was in story development for an animated feature for the Mouse. They spent several million (something like $15k/week per writer over a number of months, and this was a team of five or more) on the story, which bubbled up past several layers of junior executives. But the writing team all along was saying to themselves, "this is so not Disney" (A key scene in a bar with a hooker??? But, hey, these guys asked for it...) "This project is gonna die." And sure enough, once it got high enough -- poof. Did somebody lose a job over that? Well, all the writers, of course. But I imagine, given the bloodletting at Feature Animation, so did the exec who greenlighted the story in the first place.

      --

      Dog is my co-pilot.

  16. comes down to story, not writing by Infonaut · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I just saw Showtime yesterday, and I enjoyed it for what it was: a matinee movie devoid of any real meaning. It took easy shots at reality TV and cop movies, but then slid back into standard Hollywood fare when there were no more shots to take.

    The screenplay followed the plan of the movie - at least, the plan as envisioned by the studio. Do you honestly think that the studio said, "Hmm.. we need to make a movie that will use satire and comedy to blow the doors on the wicked exploitation and stupidity of cop movies and reality TV?"

    Of course not - just like most comedy, they took some of the more ludicrous aspects of our society and poked fun at them, while advancing a story built around two likeable characters.

    That's it. No message. Jon, you went in with the expectation that the movie would be something deeper, but I have to scratch my head - what in the previews or in your previous experience with Hollywood movies made you think you'd be seeing a ringing expose of The Truth?

    --
    Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
    1. Re:comes down to story, not writing by cybermage · · Score: 2
      what in the previews or in your previous experience with Hollywood movies made you think you'd be seeing a ringing expose of The Truth?

      I think the same could be said for most media. In fact, you're last sentence reminded me of being suckered by The X-Files a couple of times with their "truth revealing" episodes. The second time reminded me of the following saying:
      Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

      If you plan to watch a movie or television show expecting something more than mindless entertainment, prepare to be disappointed. Then, you can be happily surprised when you get more. I think Hollywood looks much better through pessimistic lenses.
  17. Research Katz, Research by 0xA · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Okay guys this is my very first bash Katz post so forgive me if I'm not quite as polished as I could be.

    In fact, DeNiro seems to have made a career (Analyze This, and most recently Meet the Parents), out of laughing at his own tough-guy persona, which is really a shame. He hasn't had a serious role in a few years, and this spoofing of spoofs of spoofs is getting old.

    Katz you Jackass. You do realize that after Meet the Parents De Niro made two not funny films, 15 Minutes (not so good) and The Score (excellent). Just before Analyze This he was in Ronin, Great Expectations and Jackie Brown.

    Every time he was playing a variant of the tough guy he's famous for. He hasn't had a serious role in a while? Go rent The Score you idiot. Yeah the spoofing is a little silly and predictable, but it isn't all the man is doing with his career.

    I like most of your articles, I think you contribute to this site in many ways and are an important part of it. Your tendency to make sweeping asinine statements with no factual basis is starting to annoying. It is devaluing your contribution by undermining your credibility. Try researching things occasionally.

    1. Re:Research Katz, Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post was informational and I would have modded you up. But the Katz criticism put me off.

    2. Re:Research Katz, Research by Da+Masta · · Score: 1

      I think you make contribute to this site in many ways and are an important part of it.

      I must strongly disagree. I think the only role Katz plays at Slashdot is in being the cash cow per se. Especially with the recent explosion of Salon.com style advertising on Slashdot, I think Katz articles are only there to generate massive hits. Genuine interest and genuine hatred results in numerous messages, flames or otherwise, all which generate quite a bit of money.

      As far as Katz' writing style goes, I think it is absolutely horrible. It must be a massive ego trip for Katz being the only editor on Slashdot who can write a semi-coherent paragraph without major spelling and grammar mistakes. The problem there is Katz thinks he's extremely smart or something, searching for deep meanings in the most meaningless movies, and attempting to write eloquently but always coming up short.

      I really don't know what it is about Katz' writing that really makes me think he tries to pretend to be well educated, but next time I see something, I'll point it out.

  18. A different perspective by swillden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My wife and I went to Showtime on Friday and walked out giggling.

    On the one hand, it wants to be a movie about [blah, blah, blah] and also a [blah, blah, blah]. It also wants to [blah, blah, blah]. And then, inexplicably, it wants to [blah, blah, blah]. [...] And the film says nothing about our media or celebrity culture that [blah, blah, blah].

    Who cares what the movie "wants" to be or say? I didn't go expecting an insightful deconstruction of the Hollywood ethos, I went for a couple of hours of chuckles, a few serious belly laughs and, overall, a bit of light-hearted entertainment. While I never had to worry about spewing Coke on the woman in front of me, I was quite satisfied with the experience and counted it as an evening and $14 well spent.

    --
    Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
    1. Re:A different perspective by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      On the one hand, Katz wants to be a writer that appeals to the masses and also a deep philosopher. He also wants to save his dying career. And then, inexplicably, he wants to write about technology. [...] And Katz says nothing about our media or celebrity culture that hasn't been said a million times before.

      --
      I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
    2. Re:A different perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Omygod. You're stupid.

  19. I saw this in a screening a couple weeks ago in LA by Dirtside · · Score: 2

    First, let me just say... where all da white people at? 90% of the audience was black, and this was in Hollywood, a half block from the Chinese Theatre, which seemed odd -- not that I'm complaining, mind you (I'm white) but I thought Murphy and De Niro were bigger draws among whites. Or maybe the distributor just handed out lots of screening passes in black neighborhoods?

    [ Warning: Minor spoilers ahead ]

    Anyway, this movie is strange. It's about two cops who end up working on a reality TV cop show together -- one a serious, real cop who's forced into it, and the other a lousy cop who really wants to be an actor. In the context of their TV show, they mock all the buddy-cop TV show/movie clichés... but then the movie's framework (about some illegal gunrunning) is ITSELF full of all the SAME clichés, done in such a way that you can't possibly believe they did it on purpose. It was very bizarre.

    William Shatner kicks ass, though.

    --
    "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
  20. Christ... by Jennifer+Ever · · Score: 0, Troll

    Katz, get a real job already.

  21. just got back from ice age by pHaze · · Score: 1

    What a cooohooool movie. How soon till CGI animation makes real life actors redundant, and voice over crew become celebs. It's interesting to watch the convergence between 3d gaming, CGI animation and computer modelling.

    ~mark

    1. Re:just got back from ice age by ZxCv · · Score: 2

      ...or until all the celebs simply become voice-over crews. Ice Age had quite a number of big names in it, IIRC.

      --

      Perl - $Just @when->$you ${thought} s/yn/tax/ &couldn\'t %get $worse;
    2. Re:just got back from ice age by Pope · · Score: 1

      If the results are anything "Final Fantasy" I will personally go destroy every CGI house on the planet.

      CGI will NEVER make actors redundant, in the same sense that cel animation didn't make actors redundant. There's a time and place for each.

      --
      It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
    3. Re:just got back from ice age by SirSlud · · Score: 2

      >cel animation didn't make actors redundant

      .. except that CGI's ultimate goal (or one of them at least) is to look exactly like real actors.

      --
      "Old man yells at systemd"
    4. Re:just got back from ice age by jgerman · · Score: 2

      Ice Age, bleh. Same campy prehistoric cartoon plot. Animated animals find human baby and either a) raise it or b) try and return it to humans. It amazes we'll bitch until we're blue in the face about the need for story line in our games, but are willing to look past horrible plots in CG movies simply because they're CG. I'm no exception, I love to see the well done computer animation, but for christ's sake, how about adding a real plot as well.

      --
      I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
    5. Re:just got back from ice age by mgblst · · Score: 2

      "Hollywood is scared shitless of believing in anything. That's why they spend so
      much fucking money asking test audiences to write their endings for
      them. So, what we get are technologically perfect movies with no soul.
      That's Ice Age: millions of dollars of computers thrown at a
      bland script full of pooping and animals getting bonked on the head.
      It looks great, but where its heart should be is a hack screenwriter
      doing exactly what a bunch of play-it-safe executives and focus groups
      ask for. It's like having a CD of a shitty album when it's way better
      to have a vinyl copy of a great one."

      ...and for an even more accurate look at "Ice Age", go to http://bigempire.com/filthy/

  22. multi genre films by nhavar · · Score: 2

    I'd have to disagree that you can't have it all. I think the problem with mixing ideas and genres of film is that the majority of times the execution is just horrible. I have seen a few multi-genre films that pull this off quite well, the most recent was 'Brotherhood of the Wolf' which I heard referred to as the 'best kung fu, horror, fantasy, western, mystery, romance, period peice out of France' ever. (believe it or not that wasn't someone being an ass, the rest of the review was gushing about the movie). Point is I think you can cross multiple genres of film if the underlying premise of the film will hold together throughout. If the writing, or characters are weak then it will show through somewhere in the genre hopping. On the other hand if the characters are strong and well written then as the movie transitions then the characters will also and you'll end up having a good fluid experience.

    --
    "Do not be swept up in the momentum of mediocrity." - anon
  23. Why does Katz write reviews? by eison · · Score: 0, Troll

    I mean, don't we already know he doesn't like anything, thus making his expressing this opinion unnecessary? Seriously, I could have written this Katz review, although I would have added a chapter digressing into the future of technology and how actors didn't grok technology enough to be worthy of respect or something.

    --
    is competition good, or is duplication of effort bad?
  24. Ha! by billybob · · Score: 1

    Good one. :)

    --
    Joseph?
    1. Re:Ha! by sporkulum · · Score: 0

      Do they think we're so stupid that we are going to take media/celebrity ethics lectures from a movie made and owned by AOL/Time-Warner? Would that be any stupider than reading Katz feature?

      --
      semper ubi sub ubi
  25. what a bunch of semi-literate lamers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's dorks like you that keep Hollywood cranking out stupid, low-quality movies. You morons keep buying tickets to every piece of dreck they shovel out the door, then whine when someone points out it is dreck. you have terrible taste and because of you good movies are not made anymore. Bastards.

  26. Shut the fuck up, Katz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are a fucking moron.

  27. You gotta understand how publishing works by satch89450 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Funny how all these people that hate Katz so much still keep coming back to his columns anyway. A true nerd loves a flame war, I guess.

    Columnists. You see them everywhere, and the quality of the writing goes from absolutely fabulous to completely clueless. Some of the columnists writing today (with upgrades in IQ) could well have been the source of the idea for the lead character in the movie Legally Blonde. (I lump movie and restaurant reviewers in with columnists, because most of them are written in the first person and therefore qualify as columns.)

    Frankly, a columnist is doing his/her job when there is a lot of reaction by the readership to what they write. It can be right or wrong, insightful or flamebait, intelligent or dumb as dishwater -- as long as the readers react, the editor feels the columnist earns the pay.

    And YOU help make Katz successful in the eyes of the OSDN bosses.

    Tough and stupid as it may sound, we need columnists. Clueful people [you may disagree] like Katz and Dvorak and Cringley. (And Noonan and Buckley and Safire.) Clueless people like the ones gracing the magazine pages of many national and international IT publications and big-name IT-oriented Web sites. (And non-IT sources, too.)

    Their purpose is to make you, the reader, THINK, and more importantly to express your thoughts out where others can hear. This is the basic exercise of Speech. Further, the cure (in other countries, not just the United States) for bad speech, insipid speech, just-plain-wrong-facts speech is... more speech. Speech from the clueful. Speech from people who are rarely heard.

    One way to get you, the reader, to do that is to goad you into telling people like Katz what a knothead they are.

    (I don't work for OSDN or SlashDot in any way. Opinion not necessarily that of the owner of this website, its editors, or its moderators. Or Katz, for that matter.)

    1. Re:You gotta understand how publishing works by Accipiter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Their purpose is to make you, the reader, THINK

      I can agree with that, to a point. However, the argument doesn't apply to Katz articles.

      The problem with Katz, is that his writing is middle-school quality. Actually, I've written better quality work during my years in middle-school than Katz has produced during his entire tenure with Slashdot.

      Katz was quiet until around the point of Columbine. That's when he write his Hellmouth series, which was the first (and last) thought-provoking Katz article. Since then, he figures "Hey, I'm going to ride the coattails of the Columbine articles, and work the same edge on everything that I write." Hence, he looks for deep, meaningful issues in movies like Showtime and Tomb Raider.

      It doesn't work.

      Plus, people who read Katz's writing are constantly tripping over sophomoric writing, bad grammar, and worse spelling. There is no excuse for a (supposed) professional writer to consistantly make glaring mistakes in his or her writing the way Katz does in his articles. Simple mistakes that would be caught by a goddamned spell checker go uncorrected, and submitted to Slashdot's front page.

      And now Slashdot is asking for money? For what? The same badly-written slop, just without the ads?

      Sorry. Sure, editorials are supposed to make you THINK, but that kind of thing usually has to appeal to your level of intelligence.

      So why am I reading this article? I wanted to see Showtime. However, I don't rely on Katz to determine the movie's worth, because he's a damaged scale. I quickly skim through his writing to get a grip on the movie's base, then I read the comments to see how my peers (other Slashdot readers) liked it.

      If I relied on Katz to tell me what movies to see, I'd be staying home a lot.

      --

      -- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?
      (If you can't figure out how to E-Mail me, Don't. :P)

  28. Wow.. by ApheX · · Score: 4, Funny

    Jon,

    This is a movie, not a prostate exam. You look WAY too deeply into a simple slapstick comedy. Take some valium and write an auto-biography .. on second thoughts, Don't.

    Jon Katz: Still on Slashdot because we love to hate him.

    --

    -
    aphex
    I Steal Music!
  29. Important Quote by ChaosMt · · Score: 1

    "When direction is taken by committee, art ceases to be art and instead it becomes propaganda."

  30. Showtime was our big FX film for the year by Thagg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This post will try to make Showtime qualify for the 'News for Nerds' motto of Slashdot.

    You might not think of this as a big FX movie, after all, it's just a cop buddy movie, right? Well, it turns out that my little company did over 140 digital FX shots for this film. This demonstrates among other things that computer graphics effects are a big part of almost any film these days -- it gives the director and writers freedom to shoot things more effectively, and allows the director and writer the freedom to improve the film in the post-production phase.

    I'll try not to reveal too many plot points to those of you who haven't seen the film -- but if you don't want to know anything about the film you can stop reading right here.

    Ok. The biggest thing that we did was build the environment outside the penthouse -- buildings, reflections, and helicopters. The challenge was to keep that environment alive (without the cliche flocks of pigeons.) We did this mostly by observing that windows in skyscrapers flex somewhat in the wind, so that the distortions of the reflections in the windows are always changing. There are a few places that you can see near the ground, and we added little sparkles of light from car windshields, things like that.

    We also added a bunch of lasers to the guns, and a bunch of sparks in the gun show sequence. Finally, we did all the 'videoization' and changed the license plate of Eddie Murphy's car for some shots. There were a few dozen other little things here and there, but that's the majority of the shots. By the way, in reality there is a heliport on the roof of the Westin Bonaventure in downtown
    Los Angeles.

    All of this work was done by a team of 10 or so people over about six months. We used a combination of SGI and Linux boxes to do the animation design, and our render garden (it's too small to be a proper render farm) of Linux boxes to do all of the batch rendering.

    thad

    --
    I love Mondays. On a Monday, anything is possible.
  31. Yup by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Jon Katz is a moron who couldn't be bothered to go to imdb.com before spouting off with his malformed biasies...

    --
    autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
  32. A bit late, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, come on, I've had Showtime off and on for at least 15 years now.

  33. This is a good thing. by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    I remember reading a while ago, a comment from some sci-fi author saying that most of what was passed off as "sci-fi" these days was not, but rather fiction set in a familiar world pioneered by the sci-fi greats. Not any different then fiction set in the Wild West or whatever. The author singled out star wars as an example. No real science, but rather a story that drew on the readers understanding of the 'sci fi world'

    I do have a point

    If this movie can be made without the pretense of needing to explain how reality shows and the media are exploitive and cynical, it means that we as a people are 'familiar' with the thing. They don't need to be told it, they know it already.

    --
    autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
  34. Stuff that doesn't matter by miletus · · Score: 1

    The other day I submitted a link to an article about the long-term problems of Internet-based "distance learning". Needless to say, that was ignored, but the latest dreck from Hollywood is newsworthy? Anyone know any better forums about new technology and society?

    1. Re:Stuff that doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.kuro5hin.org

  35. The Jury Was Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Playing Tux Racer would be a better use of JohnKatz's time.

    Showtime was a good movie, full of laughs.

    By this point, if something Katz says keeps you from seeing a movie you would have went to otherwise, you might want to visit a doctor for your head problems.

    John, people go to the movies to WATCH movies. They don't go in order to try and pick apart scenes and out-guess the intentions of the writer.

  36. cops 'n robbers stuff by DABANSHEE · · Score: 2

    Heat, Ronin, etc are not serious movies.

    Action movies are action movies, ie you arn't meant to take them seriously.

    If you were to take either of the above movies seriously you'd keep wondering why the automatic firearms don't run out of bullets after 3 seconds.

    600 rounds per minute = 100 rounds per 10 seconds = magazine load of bullets last 3 seconds on average automatic with 30 round mag.

    So people blasting away with automatic firearms for heaven knows how long = equals movie that aint serious.

    1. Re:cops 'n robbers stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Did you watch the same Heat I did?

      Ronin, I'll give you that. But Heat was more a drama than anything. The 'action' was limited to a few jobs.

    2. Re:cops 'n robbers stuff by Sunda666 · · Score: 1

      Haha

      our comment about firearms remembered be the best firearm scene I ever saw in the movies.

      It's from "saving private ryan". The dude is stuck up a tower and kept shooting soldiers coming at him with a scope-bolt-action rifle. That's shooting, not that never-end faggish automatics ;-)

      --


      ``If a program can't rewrite its own code, what good is it?'' - Mel
  37. Who cares about Showtime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A funny cop movie staring Eddie Murphy? I fail to see the slashdot relevance. I think Katz couldn't bring himself to review Resident Evil. Now there's a movie!

    1. Re:Who cares about Showtime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heh
      katz review of resident evil:

      This movie is bad because there are female body parts that get Shown. Then there are no way u can belivng this movie k thx. - Katz.

  38. Apple lost the 1999 lawsuit by yerricde · · Score: 1

    You can have the same name for two commercial ventures if they operate in different businesses: Showtime - a movie vs. Showtime - a softcore porn channel

    Showtime also shows feature films. So we have Showtime - a movie from one studio vs. Showtime - a movie channel owned by another studio. Now they're both in the movie business; does this complicate your analysis?

    Apple Computer - Apple Records

    That was true for ten years, but in 1999, Apple Computer got sued and lost after the company "entered the recording industry" by introducing high-end audio functionality into the Power Macintosh line.

    --
    Will I retire or break 10K?
    1. Re:Apple lost the 1999 lawsuit by mgblst · · Score: 2

      Perhaps it was all done on purpose. One company makes a really bad movie called showtime, therefore creating a negative image in the minds of consumers, detracting from the services provided by another company.

      I wonder if they can sue them for slander???

  39. Mr. Katz: by Mr.+Neutron · · Score: 2

    What you've just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this site is now dumber for having read to it.

    --
    dinner: it's what's for beer
    1. Re:Mr. Katz: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't read it, so looks like i'm the smartest guy around the joint...

    2. Re:Mr. Katz: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think that more aptly describes your post.


      If you want to be a Katz hater, atleast don't use trite pointless non-argument insults....

      ... Fucking moron.

  40. Katz? This matters how? by Bubba · · Score: 0

    Since when did you guys let Katz do movie reviews? Not only is this not stuff that matters, but it was reviewed by someone who doesn't matter. I thought that Katz skill (or lack there of) was reserved for techno-buzzword crap where he can ramble mindlessly for 8 paragraphs about stuff he has no clue about. It's clearly obvious he did not watch this movie as his review was limited to only 4 paragraphs.

  41. Resident Evil? by fmaxwell · · Score: 3, Funny

    Most of Slashdot thinks "Resident Evil" refers to the installations of Windows and Office on their home computers.

  42. Speaking of Ethics... by FFFish · · Score: 2

    ...aren't we boycotting the Hollywood movie industry because jackasses like Valenti are trying to get the government to pass draconian anti-freedom laws?

    Fuck sakes, people, only one thing is going to shake up the industry, and that's you having the integrity to stand up for your beliefs and hit 'em where it hurts: their bottom line, by not purchasing their product.

    --

    --
    Don't like it? Respond with words, not karma.
  43. "It always comes down to the writing..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    It always comes down to the writing, doesn't it?

    Yes Katz.

    Now perhaps you are one step closer to realising why we HATE YOUR FUCKING GUTS YOU STUPID WAFFLING PRAT.

    Ta.

  44. Skeptic by ahde · · Score: 2

    I don't think JonKatz wrote this review, or else there's a new JonKatz.

    1. Re:Skeptic by *xpenguin* · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that?

  45. Based on this review... by GMontag · · Score: 3, Funny

    Based on this review, I am definatly taking my so to see Showtime as soon as he gets to Northern VA for his spring break.

    I was undecided before, but we like real guy movies and if Jon hates it we will LOVE it!

    Thanks Jon!

  46. Crappy Movies by Tremul · · Score: 1

    Everytime I start to feel bad about downloading a movie over the web, I think of all of the terrible movies that I wasted money on and then I feel better.

    --

    "Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me"
  47. Movies like this. by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 1

    Who needs legislation like the DMCA or the SSSCA when you have movies like this to kill piracy?

    --
    ~~ Behold the flying cow with a rail gun! ~~
  48. "will a teen-age boy go see it?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    only "safe" movies ever get made, "safe" being definted as "will a teen-age boy go see it?"

    I don't know if I can agree with that. I've been praying to god for sequels to Showgirls and Basic Instinct!

    1. Re:"will a teen-age boy go see it?" by sinserve · · Score: 2

      are you a teenage boy?

  49. Screw SHOWTIME! by Tranvisor · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Go see Resident Evil!

    Help support Gamer Theater ;)

    1. Re:Screw SHOWTIME! by jgerman · · Score: 2

      RE was ok, maybe a 6 or 7 out of 10, but there were some ridiculous plot points not to mention the completely overused loud sound + suddenly appearing something in a lame attempt to make people jump. Note to the director of RE: That trick only works a few times and when not expected, doing it every five minutes does NOT make your movie any scarier.

      --
      I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
  50. Keep the ebonics in Harlem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep the ebonics in Harlem:

    "...and a dis on reality..."

  51. Nitpick. by sinserve · · Score: 1

    I don't know who Mr. Ruso or Mr. Deniro, or any other italian
    guy is -- I haven't seen the sun light for days.

    But I know the correct spelling of LAPD is LDAP.

  52. Errant soul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Katz is like the man who finds a potato shaped like Jezus and thinks he has found a Macintosh... or something like that

    1. Re:Errant soul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats exactly what i was thinking

  53. Wow a review that sums up the reviewer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but is mostly boring and lame. It always comes down to the writing, doesn't it? Well Jon that pretty much sums you up, scary.

  54. Yet it still won't affect actors. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not even if they can make a photorealistic human being.

    The mobs want stars, not pixels. They want real human beings that might someday answer a letter to them. They want to fantasize about being married to a big time movie star (Divorce statistics of Hollywood notwithstanding), even though, in their hearts, they know it will never happen. They want to dream of being stars themselves, of living 'the good life', staying in high class hotels.

    Take a few minutes and hit Google. Look at how many fans blindly worship stars. Look at them writhe in pleasure when an actor tosses them a bone and agrees to an interview.

    This is what will make sure actors are never hurting for work. There's a difference between, "Wow! It's a photorealistic human!" and, "Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, I just saw Sean Connery in McDonald's!!!!!"

    1. Re:Yet it still won't affect actors. by SirSlud · · Score: 2

      And yet, in Japan, CG superstars have been around for awhile.

      --
      "Old man yells at systemd"
  55. I finally rented AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God it was awful. I wonder if Kubrick would have done a better job, or if it was doomed from the beginning? I think they should have gotten Coppola to finish it instead of Spielberg.

  56. from now on we want proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I figured out everything Jon said from watching the previews. This seems to be a running thread in Jon's movie reviews.

    Jon, from now on we would like to see a digital scan of your movie ticket as proof you at least paid for the movie (we still have no proof you watched it).

  57. X-Files "truth" by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Your mention of the X-Files reminds me of an episode in which the intrepid FBI agents found a bunch of cloned humans floating in big fishtanks in some underground secret lab at DARPA - the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.

    Having formerly been a DARPA contractor, I thought their interpretation of DARPA was hilarious. Instead of the well-lit hallways populated with contractors jockeying for project funds and project manager doors festooned with Dilbert cartoons and spiffy project logos printed with color laser printers, the X-Files version of DARPA was dark and sinister, with M-16-toting security guards (rather than the more passive and more effective security measures DARPA actually uses) and humorless dark-suit types everywhere.

    It makes me think of that strange fuzzy line between pure fantasy, well-researched "believable" fiction, and mundane truth. So much of our entertainment these days is meticulously researched and realistically rendered on screen - witness "Saving Private Ryan" and "Blackhawk Down", but with most pseudo-realistic entertainment, it's very difficult to know whether the b.s. factor is small, medium, or large.

    No wonder so many people believe the Earth is flat, and there was no moon landing.

    --
    Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
    1. Re:X-Files "truth" by cybermage · · Score: 2

      Having formerly been a DARPA contractor, I thought their interpretation of DARPA was hilarious.

      Oh, man! Are you telling me that was fake? How do I know that your post isn't part of a wider conspiracy to hide the Real Truth(tm) about cloning? Just to be sure, I'm gonna keep my tin-foil hat on for a bit longer.

    2. Re:X-Files "truth" by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Funny
      heh heh..

      sorry, it's too late. The very fact that you responded to my post puts you in the secret RealTruth(tm) database. A representative from Area51/Microsoft will be ringing your doorbell shortly. If you want to live, you'll do as he tells you...

      --
      Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
    3. Re:X-Files "truth" by cybermage · · Score: 3, Funny

      A representative from Area51/Microsoft will be ringing your doorbell shortly. If you want to live, you'll do as he tells you...

      Rats. I should have realized when you mentioned DARPA that they'd have a way to track me down, it being, originally, their network. Hang on, got to answer the door. BRB ...

      NO CARRIER

  58. Filtering Katz by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2

    I've never really played with the slash code or any of the filtering things, but is there a way to just filter out anything he writes?

    Or do you have to pay for the subscription to get rid of Katz?

    It's not that I don't care for people going deep into films, it's just painful when they are so off base and out of touch.

    What's next? A Katz review of 'SuperTroopers' where he thinks it's a serious examination of police corruption?

    --
    The Internet is generally stupid
    1. Re:Filtering Katz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just go to your preferences and choose not to read the moron...

  59. Give Katz a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The dude hasn't been the same since that Saving Private Ryan review.

    Sometimes it hurts more to tell the truth that to listen to it.

  60. Re:I saw this in a screening a couple weeks ago in by Boing · · Score: 1

    It is possible to make a movie that is a parody of its own genre. Just look at Scream. It's one of the best horror movies of the last 20 years (I know that's not saying much, but it is a very good movie from an absolute standpoint as well as a relative standpoint), yet it is also a biting (and unsubtle) satire of the horror movie cliches.

    That's not to say that Showtime is either a good cop movie or a good satire. But it could feasibly have been done right with the proper resources.

  61. Katz does it again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another dead on article. Bravo Katz!

    and to katz haters... well if you dont like katz then you are a FAGOT

  62. It Always Comes Down To The Writing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Hollywood, it's NEVER about the writing! Do you honestly think that what you're seeing on the screen is anything like the original screenplay? By the time the producer has said, "More Explosions!", the director has demanded, "More SFX!", and the actors have improv'ed it out the door, there's nothing of the original left for the editor to fuck up in post.
    You're in for one hell of a shock if you ever sell a screenplay, Katz...

  63. Re:Katz? This matters how? by Bubba · · Score: 0

    If I had only stayed logged in I wouldn't have noticed. I'm blocking all Katz written articles. That should be default for all slashdot accounts.

  64. This just confirms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ...what I've been saying for a long time: Katz is /.'s equivalent of Howard Cosell, back in the heyday of Monday Night Football. If he weren't so absurdly annoying once in a while, we'd all ignore him, which is just what the /. editors don't want.

    Personally, I'm going to institute a new policy. Every time I read something this bad on /., whether it's a Katz-ism, CT being totally devoid of composition skills, or whatever, I will boycott the site for two or more days, depending on how bad the offense was. This one deserves a three days. If enough of us do this, it will lower traffic enough to force the /. editors to get their act together.

    And for the record, I saw Showtime, and it was a very enjoyable flick, taken on its own terms. It's not Citizen Kane or Metropolis, but then it's not meant to be. DeNiro and Murphy have some moments of real chemistry, and any movie that teams up those two plus Shatner and Rene Russo (yum) is worth watching.

  65. Re:I saw this in a screening a couple weeks ago in by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2
    William Shatner kicks ass, though.

    Oh give me a break! In this film he couldn't even play himself well. Shatner sucked balls.

    And, BTW, Katz is right. This movie was lame. If Murphey and De Niro want to keep their stardom, they need to figure out that the first step is to make sure they (or their agents) read the script before accepting the part.

    --
    That is all.
  66. Why not Resident Evil? by gizmo_mathboy · · Score: 2

    Why didn't Katz review Resident Evil?

    Showtime has very little pertaining to "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." Resident Evil on the other hand is a movie adaptation of a video game. Whom decides what movie reviews by Katz are greenlighted?

    I say that CmdrTaco and the rest audition other folks for movie reviews. They can at least find someone as adept as Katz at reviewing movies and deciding to review movies that are closer to the /. mob.

    1. Re:Why not Resident Evil? by mgrochmal · · Score: 1

      I wrote a review of Resident Evil this morning, but I found out it was rejected. I don't know why, but it's their decision. I'll keep the review on hand, in case anyone wants to read it.

      --
      This .sig Intentionally Left Blank.
    2. Re:Why not Resident Evil? by gizmo_mathboy · · Score: 1

      That's the kind of shit I'm talking about.

      Why do I bother reading /. anymore? Sound, technical articles (at least in my opinion) have been rejected and we get this Katz' crap instead?

      I thought RE was ok. Good start, decent finish, and a very mediocre middle. I like Mila as an actress but the movie slowed down when she showed up. I don't think it was her, I blame the writer/director (which I think are the same person in this movie).

      For it's genre I would give it a 7 out of 10 (no grade inflation in my world, 7's are decent movies, I think The Matrix would be around 9 or so, just to give you a feel for the scale :-)

      I agree with another's post that the sudden cut/big noise technique to get a jump out of the audience was over-used. Which of course was in the middle of the flick.

      I did like the flashback/memory recall technique though. Nice way to do some quick, visual exposition.

      Like I wrote, an enjoyable movie, not a horrible way to waste a few hours.

    3. Re:Why not Resident Evil? by mgrochmal · · Score: 1

      Okay. This'll teach me not to check my email. My review was accepted. There was an error, and I sent two of it by mistake. I was told it should be posted by tomorrow. Sorry about the confusion.

      --
      This .sig Intentionally Left Blank.
  67. Katz, you ignorant slut by The+Ape+With+No+Name · · Score: 2

    In fact, DeNiro seems to have made a career (Analyze This, and most recently Meet the Parents), out of laughing at his own tough-guy persona, which is really a shame.

    He actually has been doing this for years and did it best in Midnight Run

    --
    Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
  68. Katz, please shut the fuck up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He hasn't had a serious role in a few years, and this spoofing of spoofs of spoofs is getting old.

    http://us.imdb.com/Title?0227445

    Have a look. The Score was from last year! It was a serious role for De Niro. I'm convinced that /. just keeps you around so that their hits per week stay up. Even if people are just coming around to bitch about you, they're still numbers to pitch banners for /.

    You are not a has been. You are a never was nor will ever be.

  69. What I like about Katz by Foundryman · · Score: 1

    I don't always like what Katz has to say, it's the things he gets others to say that I enjoy. His reviews make for some very interesting discussion that I like to read.

  70. Jon Katz's book in development at TW/AOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sucker sell out. Nice try. Jon Katz's book Geeks has been sold to New Line, a division of Time Warner AOL to be turned into a motion picture. How's that stand up to the first line of your "review"?

  71. I see nothing has changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I have had my Katz-troll filter on for so long, and only now see his latest spew because I can't log in now. Doesn't look like I missed much. First 2 sentences say it all. Like a brainless politician that covers it up with fancy words and (what he thinks are) well timed bites of buzz phrases and infamous topics, he thinks he will garner a following. Sort of selling ice-cream cones to Eskimos, yet doing it by trickery from shaping and coloring it as a torch or other heat emitting device.

    The sad... nay the REALLY sad and pathetic thing is that it works...

  72. No serious role in years? by tymesf · · Score: 1

    Try The Score

  73. Speaking of paychecks by jaoswald · · Score: 1

    Is Katz getting paid by Slashdot for these lousy articles?

    Point being: are Slashdot subscribers subsidizing this waste of electrons?

  74. hello katz by gunthnp · · Score: 1

    come what was the movies the score, 15 min and men of honor like action hard nose roles