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Apple Cuts Off Under-18 Darwin Developer

Crispyking writes "Finlay Dobbie has been a leading contributor to the Darwin project, most notably helping track down the infamous PPP-hang bug. He's been nominated to become a Darwin contributor (which comes with limited check-in privileges) but when going through the process, Apple found out he's under 18 years old, and not only refused to let him be a contributor to this 'open source' project, but canceled his Apple Developer Connection membership (which gives him download access to the source code) on the grounds that because he's under 18, he can't be legally bound to the small-print agreement." Update: 03/26 00:26 GMT by P : Finlay wrote in email that he wasn't getting the Darwin source through his ADC account, but through a third party development project, which he resigned from as a result of all the red tape and the ADC account being disabled.

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  1. Re:So . . by cbodine · · Score: 2, Funny

    They should.

    Welcome to the Open Source Movement , we will take anyone?

    As long as you are a single white male over the age of 18 and under the age of 40
    and have a love for the corporate giants that do stupid stuff like this.

    Iam joking about the above , but it does bring up a point how open is open source.

    I see where Apple is heading but it is just plain dumb.

    --
    Dr. Suess: 'Gandalf, Gandalf! Take the ring! I am too small to carry this thing!' 'I can not, will not hold the One.
  2. Re:So . . by mmaddox · · Score: 3, Funny

    What's a house-elf to do!?

    --

    What'dya mean there's no BLINK tag!?

  3. New Web Site by pgpckt · · Score: 5, Funny

    BEGIN MOCKING TONE

    Welcome to the new Apple Teen Coder Site! Watch our barely legal teens respond to your commands! These young teens can code in PERL, Java, and even go down and dirty with all the C varients. Watch Our barely 18 teens sign NDAs on GPLed software. Download the movies to your Apple and IPod. Watch them as they help evolve Darwin!

    --
    Lawrence Lessig is my personal hero.
  4. Re:What about EULAs? by AintTooProudToBeg · · Score: 2, Funny


    Does this mean that minors
    - cannot be prosecuted for violating NDAs
    - can be prosecuting for using software they weren't granted rights to use under the EULA

    On another note, has anyone ever tried returning their just opened copy of WindowsXP to CompUSA claiming that they don't agree to the EULA?

  5. Re:What about EULAs? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Funny

    Show me some food that has a license agreement.

    Monsanto Roundup.

    You Eat that stuff?

    --
    "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  6. Tom Waits Said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "The large print giveth, the small print taketh away." -- From /Step Right Up/

  7. The Apple sweatshop by fmaxwell · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Here with a News 7 exclusive is Senior Technology Reporter Jim Wright."

    "Thank you Tom. It has just been revealed that Apple Computer, the corporate giant that manufactures the Macintosh computer line, has been using unpaid child labor to create the "operating system" that powers their successful computers. For those not familiar with the term, an operating system is a computer file that contains computer program instructions. These computer program instructions allow the computer system to operate -- hence the name "operating system."

    According to sources close to the case, young Finlay Dobbie, has worked for hundreds of hours for Apple computer yet never received any pay. Apple, instead, has formed a cult-like group that refer to themselves as the "Open Source Movement." This group convinced Finlay and many others to spend countless hours writing and improving computer programs for Apple's operating system -- which Apple then sells at a tremendous profit.

    When Finlay was released from the group, he staggered outside, pale, gaunt, and squinting his young eyes that have not seen sunlight in many months. I had trouble understanding what he was muttering exept for "pee, pee, pee" leaving this reporter wondering if Finlay's keepers have even been denying him the right to use a restroom.

    Sources at Apple computer refused to return questions, stating that it was a matter being handled by their legal department.

    Tom, back to you.
  8. Re:Gotta Love Teenagers by 0xbaadf00d · · Score: 2, Funny

    What are the parents of these kids lacing their children's Cheerios with that turns them into computer geniuses by the age of 6? Can you buy it at your local health food store? I'm 31, is it too late for it to work on me?

  9. Re:Apple is just stupid and clever at the same tim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Eugenia--

    Have you ever taken a step back and looked at your life? Taken a calming deep breath, cleared your head, and assessed the situation? Looked around at what you have made for yourself, what you've done and how it's affected you? If you had, it wouldn't be hard to see that things aren't as rosy as most people would be comfortable with; furthermore, it seems as if you're not comfortable with you or your situation either. It's no large feat to realize that things in your life are falling apart, and have been for quite a while. In fact, you don't really seem to have a life now and all that you own or have is going to go away eventually because it's not yours. Yes, Eugenia, here's the simple, terrible truth: your life is in shambles and it's only getting worse.

    Let's take a look at the swill and depravity that you live in.

    Your Slashdot journal entry from Saturday, March 02, 2002 encapsulates your attitude toward hygiene (or lack thereof) in one sordid little pill:

    there is only ONE thing I can't stand: The upstairs people. They do things with the water at 6:30 in the morning, every morning

    Eugenia, this is known as bathing. The concept may be foreign to your rancid Greek arse but it's a fact of life to millions of Americans everyday. Oops! I forgot you're not an American citizen. Well, we'll touch on that later...

    Here are a few quotes out of your Slashdot journal, taken from Sunday, March 03 through Thursday, March 14, 2002 that do well to exemplify your lack of will-power and discipline.

    Today, I started a "real" diet. And yes, this time, the diet IS HERE TO STAY [...] my diet goes well [...] Diet goes ok, I suppose. I mean, I feel that I do a more balanced diet now, as opposing of losing weight right here, right now. I hope it continues well [...] I feel a bit weak, but it is not too bad [...] Argh, I got a terrible headache now [...] I am roasting some pork and oven potatoes

    Within just a short eleven-day period we see a rapid downward spiral into fleshly indulgence and lack of self-control, hastened by physical sickness and ailments resulting from simply eating properly. Your body has attuned itself so finely to your horrid eating habits that it actually grows ill over these eleven days to the point that finally, in desperation over a migraine, you cook up a grease-laden meal to satiate your thirst for all things fat.

    Have you no self control? Look at yourself! You have a gut that just won't go away-- you look like an ugly, stinky, fat little troll even on your wedding day for Christ's sake! Have you no pride or respect for yourself? Not even just enough to make you stave off those pork and potatoes? Gluttony will destroy your life, Eugenia. It's already destroyed your body.

    Eugenia, it's clear to me (and everyone else) that you're mentally unbalanced and delusional. Please, seek help immediately. You are in dire need of counseling and/or therapy for a myriad of issues, among which are hygeine, self-discipline, and proper English grammar. We're behind you all the way, Eugenia, you can do it.


  10. Sadly, no we can't... by Art+Tatum · · Score: 2, Funny

    Love teenagers, go to jail. That's the law, unfortunately.

  11. the infamous PPP-hang bug by zaqattack911 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ppp bug? Who cares about that?!
    Could someone please track down the Infamous "aqua won't run on x86" bug.

    thanks.