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iPod on Windows
niola writes "A story on Yahoo mentions the XPlay -- a cool software package that allows a Windows box with a FireWire port to mount the iPod as if it were a drive (gives it a letter too) so that you can upload songs to it. Looks really cool and has the ability to integrate with Windows Media Player." Will Apple sue over this? I guess it'll depend on whether or not they stand to lose money in lost Mac sales or gain money in extra iPod sales.
Apple has reviewed their software, and has (sorta) blessed it. It even has the same copywrite controls that the mac software has, preventing you from copying the audio tracks from the iPod.
That's NOT to say that you can't use it as a hard drive. You CAN copy stuff to and from it, in hard drive mode, but if you copied mp3's to it in hard drive mode, then you can't listen to them, and if you can listen to the music, then it's not in hard drive mode.
In fact, from their site, other then asking them to change the name from XPod, they don't seem to care, and they've known about it for a while:
December 10, 2001
Mediafour commits to demonstrating both XPlay and MacDrive in booth 4021 at Macworld Expo; exhibit runs January 8-11 at Moscone Center in San Francisco
November 30, 2001
Product name is changed to XPlay at urging of Apple
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Hmmm, this reminds me of the two stories Wired did on Ipod-related piracy.
So far as I can tell, it's basically just using the iPod in FireWire target mode, where the device is basically just a harddrive.
I would guess that XPlay doesn't allow you to update the iPod playlists in the same manner that you do on the Mac, which means that anything you do only works so long as the iPod is attached to the PC.
I think most people are assuming this will work identically to the integration between iTunes and iPod, which doesn't sound likely.
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Yes. Apple Stores began to see an increase in sales after the iPod was released. You an probably find more detail on Apple's site or by calling your local Apple Store. I believe 125k were sold in the first two months. Many of those were sole with new macs to former PC users.
I am not 100% sure of Wine's capabilities, but it needs to support windows' Firewire driver interfaces. The iPod is just a glamorized Firewire hardrive, and all that xPlay does is extend windows firewire support to include the proprietary mp3 storage format found on the iPod's disk. It also integrates with indows media player to ease use for normal users who don't want to drag and drop from explorer.
Bye!
I actually just received my 10 gig iPod today. I had ordered the 5 gig and returned it when I heard of the 10. At one point of time during the few times I called the customer representitives, I mentioned that I was debating whether to wait for Apple to perhaps release a windows version of the iPod or simply get this one.
The rep quickly told me about XPlay (which I had known about before anyway).
From what I read on some iPod websites, it's fairly common for them to refer PC customers to MediaFour and I believe they have had agreements with MediaFour in the past.
I also find it interesting that the iPod (or at least Apple media) has it's own section now.
Namely EphPod in conjunction with either MacDrive or MacOpener. The links can be found in this comment I posted for another iPod story, but it applies more to this one.
/. post for the URL. He got it to work with v1.1 within a day or two of its release.. pretty sweet.
EphPod has really come a long way in a short period of time. The listserv runs pretty strong and there is a growing group of people helping this 1 developer find bugs and suggest improvements.
There's also a guy trying to get it to work on Linux... help him out.
I have had my iPod working great since February, and it has never touched a Mac.
BTW: There's also a Windows firmware updater. Check the link to my other
The iPod does not allow you to copy mp3s off of it, because they're in a hidden directory that you can't easily see, therefore you can't use it to copy music.
However, there are a ton of freeware apps that allow you to copy the mp3s off it, because they can read the hidden directory, and therefore it is Joe Shmoe's freeware app "stealing" the music, not the iPod.
Apparently, it's sufficient to outsmart the RIAA goons. Cool.
I predict that Apple will not buy XPlay. Why should they? They're already selling iPods faster than they can make 'em, so there's no benefit to Apple to release and support iPod software for Windows. Apple is really good at writing Mac software, either from scratch or acquired from somebody else. iTunes and Final Cut Pro were acquired; as far as I know, iPhoto was written from scratch.
Right now, Apple's in the best possible situation. While they don't sell XPlay, or officially support it, they don't discourage it in any way, either. Those people who would buy an iPod but won't buy a Mac have an option, albeit not a great one. And all the while Apple gets to point at the iTunes/iPod combo, with all of its functionality, and say, "Only on Mac."
Buying and releasing XPlay would be a waste of effort.
I got the iPod and have been using it with my Dell Inspiron laptop for a while now. Very easy to use interface, and the software has improved a lot since the early preview releases. I simply drag and drop entire directories to the xplay songs directory in the iPod Drive and it copies them without a hitch. Way way faster than usb too. A few annoyances are that It doesn't copy them with the directory structure. Simply copies all the mp3s into one gigantic directory. It works through WMP well with a copy to portable device option and I believe that it supports playlists through WMP (I'm not sure since I use winamp). Another annoyance is that I believe the firmware for the system is updateable through the mac clients and xplay doesn't support that.
The initial preview releases of XPlay were very basic and somewhat flaky, and could do little more than copy mp3s to the iPod. You couldn't even delete anything, let alone manage any playlists.
But Mediafour have been gradually adding functionality over the last few months, and the last release (preview 5) is easily the best yet - it's the first release that actually delivers most of the functionality you'd have on a Mac, albeit with a "Windows" spin.
I suspect the biggest problem currently delaying the full release of XPlay is the dreaded "write behind" error rather than any legal wranglings by Apple.
Basically there appears to be a bug in some (but not all) IEEE 1394 chipsets commonly used in notebook PCs/firewire cards which occasionally causes the trashing of the database containing the mp3 data. The upshot used to be that your iPod was rendered useless until a reformat - wiping all data from the device and requiring you to retransfer your music (hoping another "write behind" didn't happen again in the process).
Preview 5 handles these "write behinds" by providing a facility to rebuild the database, so you don't have to re-transfer your music. It's not pretty but hey, it works 8).
But overall, the product is shaping up to be pretty good. Whilst it's not quite as easy to use as iTunes (well, it *is* PC software!), it certainly fulfills its purpose when it comes to accessing the device under Windows, and I'll definitely be buying the release version when it arrives.
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The HFS+ filesystem code in Darwin is open. Linux also reads (but
does not write) HFS+. I doubt there'd be an issue.
Apple has given MediaFour their blessings to work on the application. Apple merely requested that they not call it XPod as they had intended, MediaFour complied and now calls it XPlay.
I have a website. It's about Macs.
That truly does sound like a lame move on the part of Sony et al, but there is some solace: The iPod includes a tiny little adaptor that attaches to the Firewire cable and allows you to charge it from a standard outlet. And third parties, such as Dr. Bott sell car-charger adaptors for around $25, as well as kits that allow you to play your iPod (and presumably, other music devices) through your car stereo. Cool!
There ain't no rules here; we're trying to accomplish something.
You can't run Apache on NT, and it's not the Apache group's fault.
You're some retarded Macintosh shill, then, aren't you?
Of course you can run Apache on NT.
Please stick to a topic you know something about. The various colours of enclosures available for your Macintosh, and the color of the silk screening on the carton are examples of something you know about.
Not a hell of a lot else, it seems.
This is totally old news. I bought an iPod right when it was first released, and have used it on my PC with xplay (beta) since day one.
Apple knows about Xplay, and has since that time. People freely discuss it on the apple support page... not likely that anyone will be sued.
http://www.apple.com/firewire
Apple invented FireWire in the mid-90s and shepherded it to become the established cross-platform industry standard IEEE 1394. FireWire is a high-speed serial input/output technology for connecting digital devices such as digital camcorders and cameras to desktop and portable computers. Widely adopted by digital peripheral companies such as Sony, Canon, JVC and Kodak, FireWire has become the established industry standard for both consumers and professionals.
The FireWire advantage can be summed up in three words: speed, speed, and more speed--at 400Mbps, it has more than 30 times the bandwidth of USB, which makes it the perfect choice for high-speed storage and serious video capture. Here are some other benefits:
Supports up to 63 devices using cable lengths up to 14 feet.
Hot-pluggable--you don't have to turn off a scanner or CD drive to connect or disconnect it, and you don't need to restart your computer.
FireWire cables are a snap to connect--you don't need device IDs, jumpers, DIP switches, screws, latches or terminators.
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