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Tonight, the updates and addenda continue apace, with more on the Anti-Unix Unix server, the possible future of Blender, Steve Mann's treatment at the hands of Air Canada, and an interesting consequence of Linux's popularity in Russia. Read below to enjoy.

Is your Blender still under warranty? Myriad writes: "NaN, the publishers of the free cross-platform 3D modeling and rendering package Blender, may not be as dead as was previously reported here on Slashdot. While Blender remains unavailable for download, some of the websites functionality has returned along with the notice "NaN is currently undergoing a re-organization of the company...and are working to restore wider operations as soon as possible." Hopefully they will manage to bring back Blender!"

"I only read Computerra for the pictures." Natalie Shahova writes: "As the translator of Just for Fun, I had to contact Linus by email in order to clarify some issues. This way we got virtually acquainted, and Linus agreed to give me an interview. Its Russian version was published in Computerra on March 26, but the original is - as you might guess - in English. As far as I know, Linus Torvalds has never given an interview to a Russian journalist before. Knowing from Just for Fun that Linus is tired of questions about Linux and open source, I chose some other subjects that interest me as a professional translator: languages, emigration, fiction, etc." A fun interview, with some amusing pictures, too (only in the Russian version). Thanks, Natalie!

Wasn't Windows NT 'More UNIX than UNIX'? thelizman writes: "C|Net is reporting that the joint Microsoft and Unisys website attacking Unix has been experiencing problems all day. Now, normally I would venture an evil laugh, but in light of yesterdays revelation here on /. about the site being FreeBSD powered, could this merely reinforce Microsoft's point? Not likely, since it was quickly switched over to IIS running on Windows 2000, and that's when the problem seems to have started."

What time is it when an elephant dances on your computer? Tom Veil writes: "Minor editorial changes have been made on the article "When Elephants Dance" (referenced earlier by Slashdot). The most interesting change adds one more step to the solution, suggesting that the DMCA must be repealed. A comment is also made as to how fair use is already protected, and thus 'there is no need for additional action in this area.'"

And thanks for flying Air Canada -- Have a nice day. steveha writes: "Linux Journal has more on cyborg Steve Mann's troubles with Air Canada. Over $100,000 in equipment damage, and possible... brain damage?!? Not good."

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  1. A "reorganistation" of the company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From the article:
    "NaN is currently undergoing a re-organization of the company...and are working to restore wider operations as soon as possible."
    Didn't Loki say the same thing after they filed for Chapter 11? Look how that turned out...
    1. Re:A "reorganistation" of the company? by AntiNorm · · Score: 2

      Didn't Loki say the same thing after they filed for Chapter 11? Look how that turned out...

      NaN is Matlab-speak for "not a number." Are you suggesting that NaN has NaNs in their financial records?

      --

      I pledge allegiance to the flag...
      of the Corporate States of America...
  2. Anti-Unix site running IIS now? by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can we be really sure that they are really running IIS on Win* now? They could be a bunch of 31337 h4x0rz running IIS over Wine. I bet Bill would be upset if he found out that was what was really going on...

    --
    "What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
    1. Re:Anti-Unix site running IIS now? by thrillbert · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can we be really sure that they are really running IIS on Win* now?

      It's down.. what more proof do you need that it truly is an IIS server on Win?

    2. Re:Anti-Unix site running IIS now? by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Funny

      "It's down.. what more proof do you need that it truly is an IIS server on Win?"

      No no, if it's down, it could simply be Slashdot affecting it. For proof that it's IIS, go to that site again and see if it tries to send you a virus.

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    3. Re:Anti-Unix site running IIS now? by beebware · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hmm...I can't do finger printing at the moment, but here's the results of a port scan:
      www.wehavethewayout.com=130.94.214.143
      Open ports: 21 (FTP Control:Microsoft FTP Service version 5.0), 25 (SMTP: Relay not authorized error), 80 (WWW: Microsoft IIS5.0/403 Access Forbidden), 110 (POP3), 389 (LDAP), 443 (HTTPS), 1433 (Microsoft SQL Server), 1755 (MS-Streaming), 1801 (Microsoft Message Queue), 2103 (Zephyr serv-hm connection), 2105 (MiniPay) AND (to round off all the nice open ports): 5900 (VNC!!!: no Terminal Services eh Microsoft?).
      Talk about leaving the doors unlocked... Now if I could be bothered trying standard passwords we can see if they actually bothered closing the doors as well!
      It's mainly Unisys to blame (according to the DNS records), but that is becoming a laugh a minute anyway!

    4. Re:Anti-Unix site running IIS now? by dimator · · Score: 2

      Jeez, the poor bastards running that site... every other /. poster, thinking he's cool, has posted a portscan. For proof, there's 2 just in this thread (maybe more now). I don't even want to count how many there were when the story broke yesterday.

      --
      python -c "x='python -c %sx=%s; print x%%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))%s'; print x%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))"
    5. Re:Anti-Unix site running IIS now? by MsGeek · · Score: 2
      "password", "microsoft" and "billgates" don't work on their VNC session.

      I guess none of the guys running this IIS server took MCSE courses...ha ha ha....

      --
      Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
    6. Re:Anti-Unix site running IIS now? by sharkey · · Score: 2

      I guess none of the guys running this IIS server took MCSE courses

      So, "solitaire" and "minesweeper" probably won't work then, either?

      --

      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
    7. Re:Anti-Unix site running IIS now? by markmoss · · Score: 2

      No no, if it's down, it could simply be Slashdot affecting it. But notice that slashdot itself must be getting at least one hit for every hit on a slashdotted site, so it's certainly possible to handle the traffic -- with the right setup. Do you mean to say that M$/Unisys didn't provide for their site becoming "popular"? Or that you just can't make use Windoze servers take the traffic?

    8. Re:Anti-Unix site running IIS now? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      I've used IIS before and never had any traffic related problems. As a matter of fact, we only needed to reboot once. I don't think we got enough traffic to find out what it's limits were. We never thought we needed to upgrade, though.

      The reason I'm not defending IIS is that we got that stupid Nimda virus. I was *mad* when I did rooting around the computer and figured out what happened. Turns out that Nimda took advantage of a few things that happened to be on that server, including Outlook Express, Media Player, and one other non-Webserver related program that I can't remember right now.

      That was when I realized a couple of things:

      1.) A webserver should only be a webserver, it should not be equipped to do things such as email. Damn Microsoft for that. It is for that reason alone that I'd be more than happy to climb the Linux learning curve to set up a websever.

      2.) The best security is not obscurity or encryption, but uniqueness. The reason that the kiddie scripter was able to do damage to my machine was because he knew what would be on it and where. Well we won't have any luck this time around. CMD.exe has been renamed, Outlook has been configured to just not work anymore.

      Could somebody get in afterwords? Well, nobody managed to that I know of. We're running Apache now so that's a moot point. IIS was a breeze to set up and get running. Heck, even tweaking it was super easy. Too bad I paid for that by being vulnerable to a general purpose attack.

      If you scan back through my previous posts, you'll hear inklings along the lines of 'MS is no for servers', now you know why.

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    9. Re:Anti-Unix site running IIS now? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      Heh no point. We're running Apache now.

      --
      "Derp de derp."
  3. Only Microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    We have the way (404: Forbidden)

  4. not quite by vectus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the site still allows you to download the /bin/ls program, which indicates it is running *nix or bsd (on an improperly configured server).

    Someone pointed this out in a previous discussion on the matter.

    1. Re:not quite by molo · · Score: 2

      Wow, cool. I just grabbed it:

      $ file ls
      ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), statically linked, stripped

      So I guess they still are running FreeBSD.

      --
      Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
    2. Re:not quite by Carlos+Laviola · · Score: 3, Informative
      I believe it is a decoy. Running nmap, you'll get this:

      Host www.wehavethewayout.com (130.94.214.143) appears to be up ... good.
      Initiating SYN Stealth Scan against www.wehavethewayout.com (130.94.214.143)
      (...)
      Remote OS guesses: Windows Me or Windows 2000 RC1 through final release, MS Windows2000 Professional RC1/W2K Advance Server Beta3, Windows Millenium Edition v4.90.3000</pre>
    3. Re:not quite by normiep · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe there was a bin a directory (with ls in it) on the original server and they just zipped the whole web html directory and unpacked on the new server.

      --

      -- Point? None! Cob.

    4. Re:not quite by cpeterso · · Score: 2


      is /bin/ls normally world readable? why would their FreeBSD web server process be able to read files in /bin?

    5. Re:not quite by naasking · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They probably just copied the whole httpd directory to the new machine without changing anything. If the original httpd on freebsd chroot'd, /bin/ls would have been there. That way they're running IIS on Win*, but they still have /bin/ls, et al. because they didn't bother to get rid of the directory contents that IIS didn't need.

    6. Re:not quite by B1 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Interesting... Reportedly, they changed the DNS records for their web site to point it at a Win2K box instead of their FreeBSD box. Maybe DNS the change hasn't replicated itself yet, so if you got an error, maybe your DNS hasn't been updated yet?

      I went to their site and I got the following standard IIS 404 error:

      The page cannot be found The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

      Please try the following:
      • If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is spelled correctly.
      • Open the www.wehavethewayout.com home page, and then look for links to the information you want.
      • Click the Back button to try another link.
      HTTP 404 - File not found
      Internet Information Services

      Even from the IIS site, I *can* download /bin/ls. It's about 285K, and is apparently an ELF binary from a FreeBSD box (based on a couple of strings I found in it).

      I can't figure out why you'd want to have /bin/ls anywhere on your web site. Maybe some 31337 h4x0r cracked their site and tried to upload a trojaned 'ls' command?
    7. Re:not quite by spoonist · · Score: 2, Funny

      sure, you can download /bin/ls but have you tried http://www.wehavethewayout.com/etc/passwd yet?

      note: i didn't try :-)

    8. Re:not quite by JAVAC+THE+GREAT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And the more important question: why is ls 285K?

    9. Re:not quite by GoRK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe they're packet filtering or proxying through a Windows machine "Routing and Remote Access" or Microsoft Proxy service, thus allowing the site to remain hosted on the FreeBSD. All the problems that are occuring could be the result of this

    10. Re:not quite by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is likely a copy or hard-link of the system /bin/ls in the chroot environment in which ftpd runs. It needs that copy/hard-link to provide directory listings since it cannot access anything outside the chroot environment (this is done for security).

      The /bin you see then isn't /bin on the system it is /path_to_ftpd_chroot_directory/bin

      --
      Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
    11. Re:not quite by benedict · · Score: 2

      Many ftp daemons chroot to ftp's home directory
      when an anonymous user logs in. Subdirectories of
      ~ftp are then pub/, incoming/, etc/, bin/, etc.
      bin/ and bin/ls are there so that the server can
      run ls when the user asks for a directory listing.
      etc/passwd is there so that ls can translate
      numeric UIDs into usernames.

      --
      Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems."
    12. Re:not quite by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 2

      Most ls implementations are ridiculously overengineered. Consider that it must be compatible with practically every other implementation of ls out there, so as not to break shell scripts written long ago. Thus, it contains a whole lot of legacy code that no one even wants to consider touching, for fear of hurting backwards compatability. As I understand, xterm is like this also: the older code is more or less marked: "Here be dragons and all manner of foul beasts."

      --

      That's it. I'm no longer part of Team Sanity.
    13. Re:not quite by WasterDave · · Score: 2

      Yeah, they just copied it. I did a traceroute on the two servers earlier and (from memory) one is *ca.verio.net and the other *va.verio.net. So unless they have a Windows box in California acting as a proxy for a FreeBSD box in Vaginia, they just copied the contents over.

      Dave

      --
      I write a blog now, you should be afraid.
    14. Re:not quite by BusterB · · Score: 2
      Most ls implementations are ridiculously overengineered. Consider that it must be compatible with practically every other implementation of ls out there, so as not to break shell scripts written long ago. Thus, it contains a whole lot of legacy code that no one even wants to consider touching, for fear of hurting backwards compatability.

      Perhaps it is just statically linked, so that if the libc is damaged, a core set of utilities still functions? This seems more likely than a lot of extra code. This is from my /usr/src/bin/ls directory:

      ozma:/usr/src/bin/ls$ wc *.c *.h
      101 450 3116 cmp.c
      751 2785 19142 ls.c
      598 1881 13568 print.c
      166 645 4587 util.c
      62 409 2763 extern.h
      82 518 3249 ls.h
      1760 6688 46425 total

      1760 lines of code to provide all of the features that ls provides sounds about right.

    15. Re:not quite by GoRK · · Score: 2

      The proxy service runs *inside* of IIS, so it's possible to configure a virtual directory to proxy to a webserver on another machine. Hence, if this kind of configuration was upset in some fashon, you would get a virtual directory error from the IIS server running the proxy rather than an error message returned from the webserver which was holding the actual content.

      ~GoRK

  5. wehavethewayout.com down? by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I click on the link, I get:
    Directory Listing Denied
    This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.
    ?!?!?!?!
    I guess they must have hired some MCSEM's (Microsoft Certified System Engineer Monkeys) to set up their site.

    I also tried /index.htm,html,asp and nothing worked.

    Should have stuck with the leaders, I guess, instead of following Microsoft.

    1. Re:wehavethewayout.com down? by dimator · · Score: 2

      I also tried /index.htm,html,asp and nothing worked

      Except that in the MS world* it's default.htm,html,asp. They're not there either, though.

      * This has always pissed me off. There seems to be no reason to switch from the time-honored index.html to default.htm, except MS having their way. And why is the official extension .htm? What happened to long filenames? I'm nauseous at the sight of 8.3 filenames (and MS still uses 8.3 for damn near everything).

      --
      python -c "x='python -c %sx=%s; print x%%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))%s'; print x%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))"
    2. Re:wehavethewayout.com down? by flacco · · Score: 2
      There seems to be no reason to switch from the time-honored index.html to default.htm, except MS having their way.

      As much as I despise Microsoft, I have to admit that "default" makes a lot more sense than "index". When I access a website without supplying a specific page, I expect the default page in that directory. "index" seems to carry with it some meanings that don't really apply.

      --
      pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
  6. The Way Out by rjamestaylor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds like "Final Exit" - someone call Dr Kervorkian!

    --
    -- @rjamestaylor on Ello
  7. Cyborg? by jhaberman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm confused. Now, what the airline did to this guy sounds awful. Pretty much the worst nightmare for anyone. However, I guess I just don't understand his situation if his brain can be damaged by rebooting this system he's attached to. Truly bizzare. Is he a "cyborg" for medical reasons? Is he like that kook in the UK who sees himself as half machine?

    What a strange and wonderful and horrible time we live in...

    --
    He's totally creeping out the Great One, eh...
    1. Re:Cyborg? by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because he's been living with these enhancements for so long, they've become a neccesary part of him for functioning normally. He's basically handicapped without them.

      As far as brain damage is concerned, maybe that has to do with the improper handling of the equipment while it was hooked up to him. It says he was bleeding from where they ripped electrodes from his skin. If they were that careless, they could easily have done something that would give him an electrical shock or something somewhere sensitive to that sort of thing.

      The airlines have really gone too far. The last time I tried to board a plane, there was a man putting his hands down my pants and up my shirt TOUCHING CERTAIN SENTSITIVE AREAS OF MY BODY. I did nothing to provoke this (in fact, I had already passed through a security checkpoint a few minutes earlier where I was frisked), other than having steel toed boots that set off the metal detector.

      It's one thing to increase security, but most of the things they're hassling people about really make no sense. What about Dr. Mann's gear gave any sort of indication that it could have been a bomb? I think they're just harassing people so it looks to everyone else like they're doing a good job.

      --

      Money I owe, money-iy-ay
    2. Re:Cyborg? by Patman · · Score: 2

      Pacemakers, defibrilators, hearing aids, etc, are all inspected and classified for use on airplanes. I'd be willing to bet that Dr. Mann's gear hasn't undergone half the scrutiny.

    3. Re:Cyborg? by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have become extremely accustomed to my sense of sight. Am I brain-damaged in the dark? Would I be brain-damage if I were permanently blinded?

      I really sympathize for the guy (there was no reason for the airline to do what they did) but as an ignorant outsider, I find the whole brain damage thing to be implausible.

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      As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
    4. Re:Cyborg? by tntt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Steve Mann could see perfectly well with no glasses of any kind when I met him. Sounds like a stunt to promote his book. Perhaps he should lean to unplug his toys for a while and learn to enjoy not being on a electronic leash.

      Just because he is a mad visionary doesn't mean we need to tolerate his stupidity. He can't be the one deciding when he should or should not be following the rules the rest of us have to follow. He basically chopped up a laptop in such a way as to make it wearable. If the pieces are hiding in various parts of his clothing then that is his problem not that of the security staff. In fact his home made jury-rigged devices are likely far more dangerous in terms of radio interference than a laptop that follows standards.

      His mind may operate at a visionary level but that doesn't excuse the fact that he is lying about being handicapped and that he knew perfectly well that his gear should be treated as a laptop. Guess he wants to re-define society in his image. Fine line between being a visionary and being insane.

      What? I will not remove my 'Wearable Gun' it is attached to my heart monitoring device! I'm handicapped, as I suffer from a fear complex. I need the cold blue steel against my chest in order to feel comfortable and have self-esteem.

    5. Re:Cyborg? by Com2Kid · · Score: 2

      Pacemakers, defibrilators, hearing aids, etc, are all inspected and classified for use on airplanes. I'd be willing to bet that Dr. Mann's gear hasn't undergone half the scrutiny.

      Oh yes, why, that LCD screen he has and the little antenna are just SO dangerous. . . .
      (don't forget the video camera!)
      -_-

      Honestly now, what the hell do you think his electronics are going to do? Take over the steering wheel via remote and crash the airplane? Hardly.

      And the fact that he HAD CLEARANCE FROM THE AIRLINE TO BOARD should also tell you something.

      It was the AIRPORT that was being a bitch about things, he had already flown INTO the airport without turning the plane into a UFO or any other such weirdity, and being a professor I am quite a bit more likely to trust HIS judgement then the judgement of whatever GED committee decides on what is or is not safe for use on airplanes.

    6. Re:Cyborg? by Jerf · · Score: 2

      I have become extremely accustomed to my sense of sight. Am I brain-damaged in the dark? Would I be brain-damage if I were permanently blinded?

      If you were to stay in total darkness for an extended period of time, conservatively, three or four days, yes, you would experience what could be called brain damage.

      Like muscles, nerves atrophy. (pedants note: I am oversimplifying immensely; at least I know it.) Normally we think of that in terms of skills like "playing the guitar" and we'd never call someone who has forgotten how to play the guitar through lack of practice "brain damaged".

      However, it is quite plausible that we'd call someone who hasn't seen in several years "brain damaged"; we would certainly prescribe "therapy" to correct the damage. Literally, your brain forgets how to see. Blind people do have increased sensitivity to the other senses, especially hearing; with a series of MRI scans, you can literally watch as the parts of the brain formerly dedicated to seeing slowly reconfigure themselves to work on sound. (Neurons like to work.) Obviously, once that happens, those parts of the brain can't be used for seeing, until they are reconfigured again, which can only happen if sight is restored. Look up case histories if you don't believe me. This does sometimes happen.

      That said, is this a little overblown? Probably at the present time. However, in the forseeable future, no, it's probably not. Extended disconnection from the cybernetics could cause many problems, even if they seem noncritical. This is something to seriously consider beofre getting implants yourself. (I'm quite serious about this; while I like the idea in general, I can assure you I will not be the first person to be implanted.)

    7. Re:Cyborg? by jheinen · · Score: 2

      As someone who has worked extensively with patients who actually *are* brain damaged, I can assure you that the brain is very adept at compensating for radical changes. People who suffer traumatic brain injury (I'm not talking about losing a pair of fancy glasses here, I mean things like bullets in the head), can literally rewire their brains to compensate for the damage. Other parts of the brain take over from the nonfunctioning parts.

      Now for something as relatively benign as the modification of sensory inputs, people are able to readily adapt to these changes. Others have mentioned the image-flipping glasses, and there have been many other experiments showing the same type of results. Blindfold someone for an extended period of time and their hearing will become more sensitive to compensate. Remove the blindfold and their hearing will return to normal. The brain is a remarkably adaptable organ.

      --
      -Vercingetorix
      "Necessitas non habet legem." -St. Augustine
    8. Re:Cyborg? by Artifex · · Score: 3, Insightful
      In fact his home made jury-rigged devices are likely far more dangerous in terms of radio interference than a laptop that follows standards.


      This is a good point. And even conforming laptops are supposed to remain off during portions of the flight. I wonder if Mr. Mann follows regulations then, and what kind of "disorientation" he gets, then? Or does he blithely put all of his fellow passengers at potential risk by not following FCC regulations?
      --
      Get off my launchpad!
    9. Re:Cyborg? by Grab · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But Mann's electronics have no medical purpose. Furthermore, many witnesses who've worked with Mann over the last few years say that he doesn't wear his gadgets all the time (even for serious stuff like teaching), so he's perfectly capable of operating normally without them. This is not the case for Hawking.

      Grab.

  8. Brain Damage by meggito · · Score: 4, Informative

    It doesn't seem as though his 'brain damage' was exactly what we think of. The first thing that pops into my head is ratardation and the lack of ability to think. It seems, however, that the abilities were more related to his brain being able to control his body. For example, if you damaged part of your brain you would no longer be able to see, or move your arm, or feel your pinky toe. It appears that the brain damage was more realted to his ability to interact with his devices, most specifically the vision items, then his ability to formulate thought.

    Either way, AirCanada really fucked this guy over. What they did was simply wrong, and they deserve what they get, and then some. This is some fucked up shit, and though the part about the knives is fairly irrelevant, it does throw their safety procedure excuse out the window.

    1. Re:Brain Damage by Alien54 · · Score: 2
      as spotted elsewhere:

      The only way that it would be brain damage is if any and all stressful activity causes brain damage.

      which it doesn't. This is called learning.

      You do not have to be an expert nuerologist to have a firm grasp of the basics. Brian damage is not caused by external events. The may be emotional trauma, but that is another issue.

      Otherwise we get into the issues of a person giving themselves brain damage merely be the thoughts they think alone. Now if you are talking about someone like bill gates or george bush, opr bill clinton, i would have to think about it.

      --
      "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
    2. Re:Brain Damage by kwishot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, since he has worked with this equipment for 20+ years, his actual train of thought might be screwed up. I remember something from when the original story was posted that talked about how, without his vision equipment, he was disillusioned and had a hard time using his natural senses.
      His dependency on the equipment makes him a true cyborg, I suppose..
      -kwishot

    3. Re:Brain Damage by kwishot · · Score: 2

      Turning it off is one thing. Ripping it out is another. The article cites bleeding where they ripped electrodes out.
      Imagine the airport security pulling off your body parts (because hey, thats what they really are for this guy). Fingernails, for example. Sure, you can still function without fingernails, but the initial shock of having them ripped off is definitely going to mess up your sense of touch (on your fingers anyways). This guy has every reason to be pissed....

      -kwishot

    4. Re:Brain Damage by jheinen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I recall experiments from many years ago where the people were wearing glases that flipped everything upside down. At some point the people completely adjusted."

      Just so. There have been a number of experiments that have shown the human body is remarkably adept at adjusting to changes in primary sensory input. The flipped vision thing you metioned is just one of them. Subjects wearing glasses with prisms that flip everything upside down eventually begin to see everything as normal. Take them off and the recovery period is even quicker. Same with auditory senses. Expose people to a constant background noise and people eventually filter it out until, for them, it's no longer there.

      I am highly skeptical of Dr. Mann's claims in this case. Certainly he may have been a little disoriented without his gear, but it shouldn't be anything that he wouldn't recover from in a few hours at most. As for the "implants," I think that's pure bull. My understanding was he had some electrodes taped to his skin and he suffered some skin damage when the tape was removed. Certainly nothing like the image of invasive torture the original article conjures up. Of course the airlines shouldn't have forcibly removed anything from his person (and were probably committing assault in doing so), but nothing was ripped out of his body.

      Also, if he wears this stuff constantly, I have to ask why the latest picture from his continuously updated "eyecam" is dated August 14, 2001?

      He may be suffering from depression at the thought of having his equipment damaged (I can only imagine the state I'd be in if someone broke into my house and trashed all of my computers), and may even be having symptoms of withdrawl, assuming his attachment to his equipment was something like an addiction. However that's a pathological condition that could be argued is not very healthy in the first place.

      I also have to question the quoted figure of >$100,000 in damage. I simply can't believe he was wearing half a million dollars worth of equipment. In fact I strongly doubt you would have to pay more than a few grand to put together an identical system. If you look through his site, all the documentation seems to indicate that his sytems are made out of easily available off the shelf components. I see nothing referencing any piece of exotic or outrageously expensive equipment.

      Finally, let's not forget that Dr. Mann is the same guy who came up with the "shooting Back" project wherein people take cameras into places that have video surveillance and "shoot back" by filming the filmers. Principles notwithstanding, this is designed from the outset to elicit confrontational situations.

      So ultimately I'd have to chalk this up as a fine publicity stunt that perhaps went a little too far.

      --
      -Vercingetorix
      "Necessitas non habet legem." -St. Augustine
    5. Re:Brain Damage by Grab · · Score: 2

      They're not body parts, because he functions without them in normal life. Many ppl have posted who say they've worked with him, and say that he doesn't actually wear all this kit for much of the time. So if he's already proved he can operate normally without the kit, then his claim that it's "damaging" him to be without it is just bullshit.

      They didn't rip electrodes "out", they took off skin-contact electrodes held on by tape. So he's sueing over having some hair pulled off with the tape. Big fucking deal.

      Sure, he has a right to get pissed over the airline changing its mind repeatedly over the conditions for allowing him on the plane. Sure, he has a right to be pissed at being strip-searched. Sure, he has a right to be pissed at the airline losing/damaging his equipment. But as for brain-damage or damage to his body - get real.

      Grab.

  9. I don't understand Mann's changes..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't get what changes Dr. Mann had. We've got people in the technology/medical field for whom implanting a tiny little chip into their skin is major international news yet this guy his stuff wired into his brain and eyeballs and vital organs and stuff to the extent that removing it would cause brain damage and possibly death?

    Or is this all blown out of proportion and the "health risk" and "damage" we're talking about is nothing more than his "shock" at no longer looking at images with a little targeter on a pair of glasses and no longer knowing what his pulse rate is, from little patches on his chest? And what's this about a hard drive? In his brain? Recording what?! Jesus, think people - think.

    And no i'm not trying to troll. His website is really sparse and I dont' see any "hey here's what I've done to myself - check it out!" page or anything.

    1. Re:I don't understand Mann's changes..? by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 2

      Hitting his head on the fire extingushers (see the NY Times article) sounds like a more likely cause of brain damage than having his "cyborg" systems shut down and damaged.

      If he was dependent on the technology to the point where it would be injurious to be removed from it - I would say that is an over-dependence on technology he should have NEVER let himself get into.

      --
      Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
  10. Two things: by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
    First:

    Microsoft putting up an Anti-Unix site is like going to Sturgis on your Vespa Scooter, poking a Hell's Angel in the chest, and saying, "Hey, Fatass! My Vespa totally kicks ass over your American-Made pile of crap."

    Second:

    Exactly how much crap did Steve Mann have embedded in him? Come on, did he have a wire going into the center of his brain, or what? I'm certainly not a fan of 'go to the airport - forfeit your rights', but last time I checked his site (before Air Canaduh), he just had some VR gear and some wireless network thing. Not a pacemaker or anything. (Idea: send Dick Cheney to Canada via Air Canada)

    1. Re:Two things: by FatRatBastard · · Score: 2

      Except the Reliant Robin at least gave us a laugh with Only Fools and Horses.

      "Rodney, you're such a plonker..."

      Trotter's Independent Trading 'New York, Paris, Peckham'

    2. Re:Two things: by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2, Funny
      "Microsoft putting up an Anti-Unix site is like going to Sturgis on your Vespa Scooter, poking a Hell's Angel in the chest, and saying, "Hey, Fatass! My Vespa totally kicks ass over your American-Made pile of crap.""

      OK so you're saying that UNIX users are the equivalent of Hell's Angels? ;-)

    3. Re:Two things: by Leven+Valera · · Score: 2
      OK so you're saying that UNIX users are the equivalent of Hell's Angels? ;-)

      If you consider hygiene, maybe. :)

      LV
      --
      Woot w00t w007.
  11. Re:Pfff Canada ... by red5 · · Score: 2

    Just balme it on the beer and the liberals.
    Thats what I do.

    Now the fact that a man with THAT much hardware got on the plain without a special permit is just wrong.
    I guess it's the biggest weakness with a bureaucracy anything out of that ordanary and everything goes to hell.

    --
    I know I'm going to hell, I'm just trying to get good seats.
  12. TCP Fingerprint/Port Scan Results by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 4, Informative

    As you wish: (Modified for Lameness)

    root:~$ nmap -O -P0 wehavethewayout.com

    Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA30 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ )
    Interesting ports on www.wehavethewayout.com (130.94.214.143):
    (The 1158 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: filtered or closed)
    Port State Service
    21/tcp open ftp
    25/tcp open smtp
    80/tcp open http
    110/tcp open pop-3
    443/tcp open https
    1433/tcp open ms-sql-s
    2105/tcp open eklogin
    3306/tcp open mysql
    5900/tcp open vnc

    Remote OS guesses: FreeBSD 2.2.1 - 4.1, Windows Me or Windows 2000 RC1 through final release

    Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 155 seconds
    root:~$

  13. Let me get this straight... by zurab · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. Unisys and MS start a $25+ mil PR campaign against Unix and set up a web site as a part of this wehavethewayout.com.

    2. The website is running on Apache and FreeBSD and the campaign receives criticism.

    3. Next day they move the hosting of the above to MS' domain and the server's IP address changes and software seems to be Win2k/IIS 5.

    4. In no time after this move, the Win2k server gets cracked and started serving an empty HTML page and then getting 403 errors, campaign gets more bad PR.


    Just a curious question. How in the hell are they spending this $25+ mil that has so far not gotten any positive coverage and only generated bad PR? Funny that the FreeBSD site seems to be still up and running at http://198.63.57.204/

    1. Re:Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is funny stuff!

      http://198.63.57.204/etc/passwd

    2. Re:Let me get this straight... by CoolVibe · · Score: 2

      Uh, on FreeBSD it's master.passwd with all the passwd hashes :)

  14. Why they have the FreeBSD /bin/ls by Vic · · Score: 2

    As some people have pointed out, the web server has http://www.wehavethewayout.com/bin/ls available, and it's the FreeBSD version.

    My guess for this is that they had copied a complete directory structure over from the FreeBSD box, including the web server's /bin/ directory.

    -vic

  15. Brain Damage by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Since the Brain is self rewiring, etc. I actually doubt physical brain damage.

    But I can believe disorientation. Similar to losing hearing or some other input channel.

    I recall experiments from many years ago where the people were wearing glases that flipped everything upside down. At some point the people completely adjusted.

    in a similar fashion, space shuttle jockeys take about two weeks to get used to weightlessness, especially for tasks like throwing balls, etc. both throwing and catching are pretty hard wired.

    Loss of an electronic input should not be any more damaging than any of these things.

    Unless he is counting electronics as part of his brain.

    Which I disagree with.

    Now the reality check might be an issue as far dealing with non-electronic reality goes.

    --
    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
  16. That poor webserver by carpe_noctem · · Score: 4, Funny

    Regardless of what wehavethewayout.com is running, that webserver has probably had a hell of a day. Besides being slashdotted, I would speculate that hundreds of curious slashdotters have portscanned, banner-scanned, and run all sorts of scripts against this server. No wonder it's offline right now. :)

    --
    "Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
    1. Re:That poor webserver by Alsee · · Score: 2

      I ran a neutrino scan that came up some interesting results, but I'll know more when I complete the graviton scan I have running in the background. I plan to start a tachyon scan some time yesterday.

      As soon as I finish my analysis I'll submit it as a Slashdot article.

      -

      --
      - - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
  17. the russian "translation" is very different! by dunkelfalke · · Score: 5, Interesting
    i don't know how nataliya translated the text but sometime linus' sentences are given a different meaning. the best example is imho the last sentence.

    the english one:
    I don't think I have any special messages at all. I think the only "message" in my book was the tongue-in-cheek "Party on, Dude!"

    and here is the russian one:
    I definitely don't want to give a message to anybody. The most important thing in my book is its cool ending: "Let's rock, pal?"

    this is just one of many examples.
    A small info: i am a native russian speaker although i live in germany since 1993.

    --
    "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
    1. Re:the russian "translation" is very different! by glwtta · · Score: 4, Informative
      The question which you quote the response to is literally translated as "do you have something to say to your russian readers" which is a common enough expression in interviews, akin to the english "Do you have something to add?" when the interviewer gives the interviewee a chance to speak about something that's not necessarily on the "agenda"

      Of course it's presented to Linus as this "special message" which he ovbiously takes as "messages" in his book. But then the russian translation of his response, can once again be taken (especially in view of the question) simply as "I don't want to say anything to anyone at all" which I found rather odd when I read it.

      I am curious though, why you translated "Saegraem, paren'?" as "Let's rock, pal?" It's an idiom that literally means "Shall we play, you man?" (for lack of a better word), but I'd say that it has the same general meaning as "Party on, dude"

      But then again, I haven't lived in a russian speaking country for some time, either; and yeah the translation is not exactly stellar.

      --
      sic transit gloria mundi
    2. Re:the russian "translation" is very different! by achurch · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The important question is whether the Russian text imparts the same meaning and nuances to a native Russian reader as the English text does to an English reader--not whether the words happen to match up. I don't know any Russian, so I can't speak for this particular case, but I do speak fluent Japanese, and I have seen far too many "translations" that rely too heavily on dictionaries and end up missing critical points because of it. (Those who have played console games, particularly in the 8/16-bit era, will probably remember the frequency of unnatural English text in those games; one good example is "it's dangerous", which is a literal--and incorrect--translation of the Japanese word used to mean "look out!".) The better translation is not the one with the most word-for-word matches, but the one that causes readers in both languages to think the same thing. And with all due respect, I think it's difficult to judge that without a fluent knowledge of both languages involved.

      It's also worth noting that it simply isn't possible to express some concepts in some languages, because the culture/society the language is used in simply doesn't have the concept in the first place. For example, Japanese has numerous words for expressing interpersonal relationships (such as nearly a dozen first-person singular pronouns, each with a different connotation); while you can approximate the meaning of those in English by playing games with sentence structure and the like, you can't get exactly the same nuance because English simply doesn't use the same concept set as Japanese does. So there will always be some inaccuracies in any translation, especially with colloquialisms like "party on, dude!"; the object is to keep them as few and as small as possible--again. in terms of the effect on the reader.

      Of course, translating a Russian translation back into English is going to result in even more inaccuracies, like converting an MP3 file to Ogg Vorbis and then back to MP3 again; just because the final result sounds bad doesn't necessarily mean that the original or intermediate result are also bad.

    3. Re:the russian "translation" is very different! by CoolVibe · · Score: 2

      Case in point: Japanese Engrish.

    4. Re:the russian "translation" is very different! by Fjord · · Score: 2

      Actually, thought, "Party on, dude" as a whole phrase is likely a reference to Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. To know the proper translation, you'd have to watch that movie in russian, because there's more meaning to the phrase than just telling people to continue to party.

      --
      -no broken link
  18. Re:Who wants to bet Microsoft just changed the hea by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, because Microsoft and Unisys can't afford to buy two servers.

    - A.P.

    --
    "Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
  19. Hmm by bonch · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.linu x64.com

  20. "Brain Damage" is melodramatic, but effect real by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 3, Informative
    Calling it "brain damage" is not really accurate, but the effect is real. Think of what happened in this way:

    Imagine you wear special, expensive, contact lens. You wear them all day, every day, for a long time. Then an airline security guard decides the contact lens might be the next thing in terms of smuggled terrorist weapons (after all, given a bomb hidden in shoes, and plastic explosives, well, better safe than sorry). So security rips the contact lenses out of your eyes (scratching your corneas in doing so), and ruins your lens with their grubby fingers in the process of examining them.

    Suddenly, you're back to pre-contact lens vision, with some "damage" (not dramatic in the overall scale of things, but still painful) to your eyes.

    Now imagine you can't get easily get new contact lenses, or even replacement glasses, because they're specially-made.

    Stripped of the cyborgness, this is the sort of experience we're talking about. It's clear it's not a pleasant one.

    Sig: What Happened To The Censorware Project (censorware.org)

  21. "Brain damage" is Prof. Mann playing the media. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 5, Informative

    See the previous article re. Prof. Mann for testimony from myself and other students who have worked with him.

    As far as any of us have been able to tell, he has absolutely no medical requirement for any of his equipment, or any actual physical or psychological dependence on his equipment. He has been observed working fine without it on several occasions.

    This is a publicity stunt, plain and simple. Prof. Mann has an agenda to push and is pushing it as hard as he can.

    1. Re:"Brain damage" is Prof. Mann playing the media. by Artifex · · Score: 2
      As far as any of us have been able to tell, he has absolutely no medical requirement for any of his equipment, or any actual physical or psychological dependence on his equipment. He has been observed working fine without it on several occasions.


      Thanks for sharing some closer insight to the guy... Judging from his website, he seems to have been more than a bit eccentric to begin with, and also has done previous publicity stunts which seem to focus more on him than on his "cause."

      I can't believe he didn't prepare himself for the possibility that all of the equipment might have to be removed - especially in light of the "standard" security precautions. And again, you're right - none of it was medically necessary. However, I could see him possibily being psychologically distraught over its forcible removal - though more from the shock of being questioned and examined and refused than from a real dependence on the equipment as a crutch (your comments leave little room for that, assuming you are telling the truth, which we also can't verify). So I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that his original account of being disoriented, etc., was not embellished. That doesn't take away from the fact that he caused the confrontation himself.
      --
      Get off my launchpad!
  22. He should THANK them for the brain damage by splorf · · Score: 5, Insightful
    if it's real, though I think it's bullshit.

    The only way he could be damaged is if his VR stuff caused some kind of permanent change to his brain by replacing part of its normal function, sort of like (imagine) if you lived in a weightless environment for long enough, you might lose your ability to walk in normal gravity. That change of course would be a very slow, gradual process that came from wearing the electronics for years.

    The electronics are bound to fail sooner or later. If they were really causing some physical change in him, then if they ran for a few more years before failing, the change would have progressed that much further and the damage would have been worse. So if removing the stuff caused damage, it's good that he found out about it now while the effects aren't as bad.

    But I agree with the Linuxjournal comment from the guy claiming to be a doctor, saying Mann is probably just looking for an excuse to sue. If that VR removal really caused brain damage, two things should happen:

    1. Medical researchers should be swarming all over Mann, examining him to figure out exactly what happened.
    2. The VR stuff should be regulated by the FDA, installed only under medical supervision, and nobody should be allowed to wear it for such extended periods.
    1. Re:He should THANK them for the brain damage by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 2
      There have been experiments where people were given 'prism glasses' that reversed the image. After some weeks (?) of great awkwardness, their brains ALTERED to see in reverse too, and they saw out of the glasses as normal.

      Then when the experiment ended and the glasses came off...

      That's right. ANOTHER couple weeks of helplessness, this time to re-adapt to the natural condition.

      This guy may be exaggerating but it's not totally ludicrous. Perhaps his techie stuff really did remap his visual fields and brain functioning to a significant extent. We only have his opinion on that, and it might not be honest.

      The question then becomes- do you allow people to do harm to their brains to adapt to cybernetic enhancements?

      What is NOT up for debate is that this adaptation happens- to more or less of an extent. If you can remap the visual cortex to reverse images, that tells you a lot about what's possible for unceasing exposure to an unnatural situation- just like this guy's been inflicting on himself.

    2. Re:He should THANK them for the brain damage by jheinen · · Score: 2

      Actually, the recovery time once the sensory-altering apparatus is removed is much faster than the the time it took to adjust to the change in the first place. Here's an interesting article that talks about a number of these types of experiments.

      --
      -Vercingetorix
      "Necessitas non habet legem." -St. Augustine
  23. yes..it is! by ghack · · Score: 2, Insightful


    >is /bin/ls normally world readable? why would
    >their FreeBSD web server process be able to read
    >files in /bin?

    Yes! /bin/ls is used to list the contents of directories! having a world readable /bin/ls is something that ftp sites have been doing for, well, ever.

  24. Re:We have the way out, but we're not telling.. by TandyMasterControl · · Score: 5, Funny
    There's been a mixup. You're supposed to point your browser to www.wecantfindthewayout.com

    The site is mirrored at
    www.pleabargainingisthewayout.com
    and
    www.when weshutoureyestheworldvanishes.com

    Speaking of sleepytime, Bill has asked me to say
    "Will the last person to leave wecantfindthewayout.com please shut off the lights?"

    Thank You.

    --
    Johnny Quest has two Daddies.
  25. He was wearing some pretty odd gear. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why should this guy have to go through any trouble at all? He wasn't wearing anything that could be construed as a bomb or a weapon of any kind.

    Unless he's changed it very recently, his gear looks like a fanny pack filled with gutted computer parts, with misc. cables going out to various peripherals, many with visible PCBs and so forth.

    He may have cleaned it up a bit, but take this and add a reasonable-sized battery, and you have a rig that looks a lot like your "ACME Personal Bomb" from any action movie from the past decade or two.

    Add to this the fact that Prof. Mann is a bit on the eccentric side and that he would very likely have gotten pushy with the guards when they challenged him (trust me on this one), and what you have is a recipe for a really bad day (and a really golden publicity opportunity, which was probably the plan).

  26. Re:Pfff Canada ... by nickynicky9doors · · Score: 2

    The bureaucracy comes from the refs. The rest is just any pickup game on any sheet of ice anywhere in the country. Could it be you don't *play hockey? Canajen you say eh? I wonder...quick which NHL goalie was the first to wear a mask?

    --

    heuristic algorithm seeks stochastic relationship
  27. Give it up for Moms by nickynicky9doors · · Score: 2

    "...the following words from your mother: "I still don't think Linus has any 'special' talent and certainly not 'for computers' - if it weren't that, it would be something else. In another day and age he would focus on some different challenge, and I think he will. (What I mean is, I hope he won't be stuck in Linux maintenance forever)."

    No matter how big, how bad, how high your IQ your mom will always be there to ground you.

    "MOM! I've just won 5 Noble prizes and been elected president of Earth for Life!"

    "That's nice dear. Take out the garbage and then don't forget to wash your hands."

    --

    heuristic algorithm seeks stochastic relationship
  28. Re:Pfff Canada ... by nickynicky9doors · · Score: 2

    I'm on the west coast and man I miss Montreal. There's no poutaine anywhere unless you go for cheddar cheese instead of cheese curd. Yuck!

    --

    heuristic algorithm seeks stochastic relationship
  29. airline security by Alien54 · · Score: 2
    I just talked to a bunch of friends about their experiences with the new and not-so-improved airport security so maybe I'm a little more wound up about than I should be. It seems that the new procedure at the airport is to hassle enough people that nobody wants to fly anymore, that'll sure help with air security.

    The whole point of airline security is that They do not know how to screen out little old ladies and average citizens from the pool of potential terrorists.

    This may be because they know that they have already have everyone riled with the government to begin with. Of course, one way to make an enemy is to treat everyone as they were the enemy already.

    This becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

    --
    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
  30. We Have the Way Out by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    I bet some expensive UNIX system administrators could get a web page installed on a UNIX box in less than a day and a half. Something to think about next time you're in the market to buy some trained monkeys to run your Windows network.

    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  31. Let's see... by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2

    Let's see someone yank out an eyeball, cause bleeding, and then shut down your other eye with an iron brand, and see if you can imagine yourself complaining of brain damage.

    To be fair, we'll administer anesthetic, as I'm sure yanking an electrode and power cycling is nowhere near as painful as pulling an eyeball or burning your cornea.

    He didn't say there *was* brain damage, if you read the report, only that it was *possible* if he didn't reconnect quickly/soon.

    Not necessarily brain damage in the mental retardation sense, but brain damange in the 'neural stimulus has been removed, neurons and neural connections will die and wither due to lack of use/stimulus/feedback' damage, which is still damage.

    Another analogy, a better analogy:

    You have become very accustomed to your normal eyesight. Imagine someone giving you very powerful glasses to wear for years (akin to his implants), and then Canadian airport security ripping them from your face, tearing the skin off your noise and brow.

    Will you suffer brain damage? You will certainly suffer visual problems, and until your brain becomes accustomed to not wearing glasses (if possible) or if you regain your glasses, your brain, body, coordination, and vision will most certainly be affected.

    1. Re:Let's see... by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2

      I read the article, he didn't say he *had* brain damage, only that he feared it (I thought)

      I mean, as I said before, if you experience nausea, confusion, mental and physical impairment, dizzyness, etc, why shouldn't you worry about damage?

      Melodrama or not, he claims to require the equipment and has the medical release for it. How can you counter that claim without like experience?

      Again, I don't know if it was *simply* a HUD, or more, but I can't question his claims based on my experience, anymore than I can question your claims; it's just outside my ken.

  32. What the HTTP server says: by Kymermosst · · Score: 2, Redundant

    $ lynx -mime-header http://www.wehavethewayout.com/
    HTTP/1.1 403 Access Forbidden
    Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
    Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 02:22:14 GMT
    Content-Type: text/html
    Content-Length: 172

    <html><head><title>Directory Listing Denied</title></head>
    <body><h1>Directory Listing Denied</h1>This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.</body></html>

    --
    "Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
    1. Re:What the HTTP server says: by webcrafter · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Directory Listing Denied
      This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.

      No website is configured at this address
      Those seem the typical messages of a misconfigured IIS virtual server...
    2. Re:What the HTTP server says: by Kymermosst · · Score: 2

      Yeah, you'd think M$ could configure their own servers. If the creators can't do it, who can?

      And they think they have the way out? At least I know I can configure Apache.

      --
      "Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
  33. Air Canada Responds by sharkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    A spokesman for Air Canada issued a statement concerning Steve Mann's latest claims, "Take off, eh? We didn't cause no brain damage! He was brain damaged before, eh? Why else would he got on our plane to start with? Now, let's go get a beer and a jelly donut, eh?"

    --

    --
    "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  34. It's all a Fiendish Plot!!! by plaidfishes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given M$ recently delared push to fix the security of their OS, this makes a fiendishly clever move. The single most valuable resource for fixing security problems is to know EVERY exploit currently in use.

    Try this for a plan... So they get the security problems fixed, kinda sorta they think. The truly evil plan would be to TROLL the entire net. With some sort of nasty unfounded lie about UNIX. It would generate millions of hits, and have every cracker, script kiddie and real Security Geek on the planet spend the next few days trying to take down that system. Log it. M$ would now have a comprehensive database of every known method for breaking windows because thousands of enemies just showed them their favorite exploits!

    From now on, we can assume that M$ actually has the most knowledge about methods of cracking windoze. Here is the ultimate panic point. Now that M$ has this information, it is quite possible that they WILL soon have the most secure system. With this quality of information about holes, and legions of code drones spending ALL of their time fixing them, they just might actually fix them ALL. What happens to *NIX if M$ really does end up with the most secure system?

    1. Re:It's all a Fiendish Plot!!! by plaidfishes · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, since the strategy is to TROLL the net, hosting on BSD first would be the right tactic. This story would have died immediately if they had hosted it on IIS. Sure a few script kiddies would have attacked but that happens every day beyond a doubt. This TROLL specifically attacked the worth of Unix Professionals. Then, it gave them something to scream about by hosting on BSD. Only at this point, when the immediate anger of the various Unix communities are at the peak would the great big target be put right in front of them. Ever seen a bull fight? When the bull is incredibly pissed off, it goes after that red cape allowing the matador to dance around and stick knifes into it.

      Perfect execution of a devious strategy by a master strategist. He got a priceless resource at no significant cost and only angered the same groups he has aready targeted for destruction. Or is the Unix community not willing to admit it got hacked by elegant social engineering?

      Bill Gates is evil AND a genius at strategy.

  35. Re:Pfff Canada ... by nickynicky9doors · · Score: 2

    Still, this Steve Mann thing sounds more like it should be coming from the South - is our security overcompensating, or is it just me?

    Simply put, I don't know. I've had but one similar experience when returning via Seattle from Tokyo. Suffering from jet lag I approached an American security guard thinking him a clerk and offered him my documentation. My mistake took me to a small room for a half-hour quiz which went well and no farther than explaining to me that I had mistakenly approached security guard whose sole job was to cull suspicious characters. No strip search, just clarification and a polite explanation. Accordingly I have to think Mr. Mann had much to do with the length and details of his detainment. Excluding cases of mistaken identity I have to think it takes two to tango. Trained in statistics I try not to draw too much, if any, inferrence from any one instance.

    cheers

    P.S. I didn't know NY Fries sold poutaine... thnx for the tip although the one time I dined at one of their fine establishments I didn't think all that much of their chips.

    --

    heuristic algorithm seeks stochastic relationship
  36. He could have just drove by smartin · · Score: 2

    This whole air canada story sounds like a nightmare, but the simple fact is that that guy could have rented a car and drove home, he was in no way trapped into taking a flight, the fact that he submitted to the airlines demands seems very suspicious to me. It takes about a day or two to drive from St. John to T.O. and would probably have cost a couple of hundred dollars, much cheaper and easier than having you implants ripped out if you ask me.

    --
    The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
    1. Re:He could have just drove by Levitate · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well someone hasn't been to the rock recently ;)

      It's 3 days of hard driving from St. John's to TO (I'm talking 12 hours per day here) plus your choice of a 6 or 14 hour ferry ride (depending on where you get it from) through Newfoundland waters.... in the middle of march ...

      On a windy day that kinda punishment can make an air canada strip search look pretty attractive in comparison.

      As to cost ... the difference is probably less than 200$... well worth it to avoid the inevitable holdups when dealing with the weather, marine atlantic and newfoundland driving in March.

      Canadians, particularly those of us down east where Air Canada is pretty much the only game in town, are very well aware of the problems at that airline. However, it seems to me that Mr. Mann must not have been completely co-operative with security personnel in St. John's. I find it hard to believe that they would have gone to these lengths without some kind of a reason.

    2. Re:He could have just drove by jheinen · · Score: 2

      Oh yeah, just what we need. Some guy behind the wheel of a car with his vision filtered through a camera strapped to his head.

      -Jeff

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  37. Re:The Microsoft servers by farrellj · · Score: 2

    Netcraft now shows that they are using Win2K now and IIS 5.0

    ttyl
    Farrell

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  38. Re:Pfff Canada ... by nickynicky9doors · · Score: 2

    Did your daddy make you eat your puke after you threw up from eating yucky stuff? Anyway, don't try to gross me out d00d; yesterday for the first time in my short second life as a /. poster I was modded a Troll. Now I'm bad.

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  39. Experts by peterdaly · · Score: 2

    Hey, at least they didn't have to hire expensive experts to run their simple static one page web site.

    -Pete

  40. Steve Mann... Huh? by PhotoGuy · · Score: 2

    What is *up* with this guy, anyway? Does he have a suite of disabilities or something, or is he just a nut? (From what little I could piece together of him from various sources, the "nut" theory seems more plausible.)

    Does anyone really believe he had half a million bucks of wearable computers on him that he really needed? And that he suffered brain damage from having them rebooted? Was this supposed to be posted on April 1st or something?

    Anybody who is trying to board a plane in this day and age with a whack of unnecessary electrodes and hardware placed all over his body, is just looking for trouble (or more likely, publicity).

    I've travelled many Airlines, and Air Canada is luxurious and incredibly careful as compared to any of the others I've used (never lost a bag, never damaged anything, for me). And any increased level of security (for a rather suspicious whack of hardware) is solely due to attempts to protect Canada's neighbor to the south from terrorist activities.

    Getting this guy any press at all for his supposed problems is just ludicrous.

    -me

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  41. Re:Dr. Mann, what's up with that? by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He's been doing this for 20 years, it's his lifes research, he's a professor now, he's been interestesd in this field since he was a student.

    The electrodes as far as I can tell are implanted under the skin, which means to remove them you would have to break them out of the skin, they're not designed to be removed except under clinical conditions I suspect...security gaurds randomly grabbing things is hardly clinical.

    Personaly anyone who believe in their research enough to get this involved with it deserves one hell of a lot of respect, this is the very definition of putting your money where your mouth is.

    If your body constantly uses something then it begins to expect it to be there, if you suddenly rip it all out you will seriously disorientate the body and it will not thankyou for it...think of it akin to someone who looses their sight or hearing during adulthood - it's seriously disorientating to them because it's always been there and they don't know how to function without it.

    The whole fiasco sounds like someone on a powertrip to me...which went to far but by then they couldn't back down.

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  42. Steve Mann... by cr0sh · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can understand how removal of Mann's equipment would cause him something of a form of "brain damage". What we all tend to forget is how long Mann has been doing this sort of thing - his first rig (IIRC) was a TV attached to an Apple IIe back in the 80's!!!

    His latest rigs are much more compact - others here have noted the research done using special glasses that flipped the image - in those researches the volunteers got used to it, but when they were taken away, they were "disoriented" again (if I have it right, the brain starts to reinterpret everything normally, but take away the special glasses, and the user sees things wrong, until the brain readjusts - someone posted that some of the volunteers NEVER readjusted, which is scary).

    Furthermore, you have to realise that Mann's devices were a form of brain/memory augmentation - he literally had a system where he could look at locations/faces and "tag" them with reminders, so that he didn't have to remember names/places/items - he could just look at them again, and if he had tagged them before, the tag would appear - in true augmented reality "magic". Anything from names to reminders about events ("milk on sale", etc).

    So, without the system, one could effectively say he had lost a portion of his memory (and he has been doing this so long, almost two decades now, that one could say his augmentation is normal for him - he seems to be truely a walking experiment). While I am sure some of his antics are publicity stunt type material, I don't really think this was the case here. It would be more akin to someone who had chopped their arm off intentionally to use a "bionic" replacement (custom designed, of course), but had it taken away because it could be a "bomb"...

    As far as the comment about Mann's system being "wires and pc boards" and looking like it could be a bomb - the last version I remember Mann working on (and supposedly had a prototype of) was contained in the "lining" of a large suit sport coat, with the boards spread out among the coat's inner surface, maybe a bit of kit in a fanny pack (batteries likely), and a very small vision/camera system (can't remember the company that was developing it, but it looked like an ordinary set of glasses, with a very small prism mounted on one lens, with the projection system mounted on the earpiece of the frame projecting in from the side) - the whole thing was mostly "invisible". I suppose the camera and such made for a slightly more visible system, but I don't think (if this was the system he was wearing at the time) that it would be a "shocking" looking system. Of course, I could be wrong, and he might have been testing out something more recent...

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    1. Re:Steve Mann... by cr0sh · · Score: 2

      I think his goal with such a system was to make it look more "normal", and less "borglike". At a casual glance, with this system, he appears like a businessman wearing glasses, with perhaps his hand in a pocket manipulating his keys (or possibly, ahem, something else).

      I find it interesting that there is a security concern over something like this, but as has been shown repeatedly, that it is easy to make "common" electronic items into destructive devices that would easily pass an inspection (up to and including turning the device on and off). Yet I am certain most passengers easily carry cell phones, pagers, laptops, and other items on board most aircraft to this day (after showing them to security guards that yes, they are real, and turn on and off, and can be used - it isn't like they are completely disassembling the devices before allowing the person to "pass").

      Most of this security posturing (for that is all that it is) is inane - none of it will stop someone from having a device implanted into them, unless full body scanners are suddenly instituted everywhere (and what if that device is a fake, but real looking, to an x-ray machine, pacemaker?) - which isn't likely, at least not until the next incident...

      It is nothing more than a feel good thing - it doesn't work, and never will. Security reasons for stopping photography are more bull as well - what is to stop someone from simply sketching things out on a pad of paper?

      I don't have a problem with them asking Mann to verify the devices much, even having him take them off. I do have a problem with them forcibly making him remove them, denying him things after saying that if he comes back with this or that they will let him through, damaging equipment, then losing it entirely! I have a problem with these things because it show a lack of disregard for an individual who is slightly "different" from the "norm" (by being a form of "cyborg").

      I suppose Mann should count his lucky stars that he wasn't of Middle Eastern decent - he would have been really f'd then (and no, if he was of ME decent that wouldn't make it any more right than if he was black, gay, or jewish for that matter).

      In the end, none of what was done to Mann made the flight safer - while he was detained, and the flight left, there could have easily been a deranged, "sympathetic to radical Islamic causes", white individual on the plane busily setting a certain code or such in a modified Palm Pilot...

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  43. I talked with Unisys folk today by Multics · · Score: 5, Informative
    As luck would have it, Unisys was already scheduled to come talk today. "Our senior management has decided that we'll be an all-Microsoft company."

    So they're migrating all their mainframe customers to Win2k running on their very expensive up-to-32-way Wintel 'mainframe' (caugh).

    me: So there are no plans for Linux then?
    them: No. We don't think it scales and besides Unix is proprietary.
    me: www.osdl.org has it on a 16cpu (4x4) NUMA and it appears to scale just fine.
    them: We don't know. Nearly everyone we talk to asks us what our Linux plan is and we just tell them "senior management has decided we'll run Windows."

    So I finished with the FreeBSD server stuff and they went 'oh yeah, we got some internal mail on that stuff'.

    Unisys is just being their normal closed, proprietary self. They make zillions doing this by being kissy-face with governments all over. I hope this round bites them squarely since Windows does not make an enterprise O/S no matter how much wishful thinking is done on Bill's or Unisys's part.

    -- Multics

  44. Re:Dr. Mann, what's up with that? by jheinen · · Score: 2

    He had a heart monitor. Even in a hospital setting they don't stick wires into you to monitor your heart. They tape them to your skin, which is what I understand Dr. Mann had. The tape being removed may have caused irratation and minor damage to the skin.

    Not that I condone the airlines' actions, but this thing is getting blown way out of proportion.

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  45. Re:Ha Ha! Good old Microsoft..... by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 2

    Now there's nothing there.

    I guess there is no "way out".

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  46. Re:mysql? by Nyarly · · Score: 2
    ...
    5900/tcp open vnc

    mysql?

    mysql nothing. VNC? Woohoo, what fun could be had with that...

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  47. wehavethewayout.com anon FTP open... by shaka · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Both the DOS box (www.wehavethewayout.com) and the FreeBSD box (198.63.57.204) have anonymous FTP open. Both of them contains a file in the root directory, called 10k.html.
    Both of these files are filled with the string "10k" repeated hundreds of times, ended with a </BODY> tag - the size is exactly 10000 bytes.
    Did they put them there just to make /. readers wonder why, or what the heck is this!?

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  48. Mann should've been denied boarding... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2

    since he probably would've refused to turn off all electronic devices during takeoff and landing. I know the article says he agreed to turn his junk off and back on after they'd already started messing with him, but I bet he'd have refused once on the plane. (The article mentioned he agreed to do it reluctantly even though it might cause data loss and brain damage - yeah, right!)

    I don't want some retard geek-boy fiddling around with my safety on the plane - they should have offered to check him as luggage.

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  49. Security Blanket & tool for confrontation by maggard · · Score: 2
    Mann needs his gear like a kid needs his security blanket (plush toy, whatever.) He's perfectly fine without it, indeed lives large parts of his life not wired up. However when he's insecure or wants attention then he dons his armor and makes a show of himself.

    Which leads to his second characteristic which is using his gear as a tool to provoke folks. He deliberately makes himself obtrusive with his "requirements" and pushes folks by blatantly recording them, refusing to cease, indeed almost assaulting them.

    Imagine an adult declaring they *must* have their pet/TV/tinfoil-hat/shotgun/whatever with them and you've got Mann. Now watch them use it as a passive-aggressive tool to deliberately provoke other folks and get attention and you've really got Mann. Now watch after throwing a tantrum the objects of it all get nonchalantly taken off, put down, walked away from. That's what he does.

    Needless to say many folks actively avoid him; consider him with pity but wish no involvement with his little dramas. Indeed there's a running debate as to when someone will finally take exception to his behavior with a pipe and he really will find his gear "integrated" with his body, likely starting with his anterior sphincter. While most will decry the violence few will not have more then a little empathy for the poor sod Mann will have finally managed to push too far.

    That Mann has managed to score points with Air Canada is no surprise. The folks at the gate have little authority and a mandate to prevent suspicious objects from being brought on-board. As has been pointed out there is no "right" in Canada to fly onboard an aircraft and the protestations of Mann's pet Dr. notwithstanding he has no disabled status.

    Furthermore the requirements of turning off electronics during take-off & landing are well & long established, the local folks have no authority to grant exceptions to this Federal policy. His electronics is not certified medical electronics but a nest of boxes and wires doubtlessly radiating RF and precisely the sort of thing that concerns regulators.

    Indeed I expect if any /. reader were to be asked to share an aircraft with some loon "requiring" a mass of electronics & cabling all declaring he *must* have it I expect they'd reconsider their schedule and debark pretty darn quickly. Its easy to sit in front of a keyboard & monitor declaring Mann to be a victim, doubtless a little harder to be some security folk faced with him & the responsibility for a safe aircraft. As to "knowing" he is safe - can you say for sure Mann with all of his dysfunctions doesn't have something nasty tucked in there?

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  50. Mannites by maggard · · Score: 2
    Boy Smoothie you like to take a cause & run with it. Doubtless we'll meet up in a few years at the airport with you trying to push carnations & asking for an offering in return, suggesting I take this really great "Personality Test"...
    1. Mann claims the "total cost to restore the computer vision system is $109,698". If this is line with many of his other claims it's at Radio Shack for $199 - Canadian.
    2. Heart-monitor electrodes don't enter the body. They're simply stuck on with pads like bandages. Pulling them off is only slightly worse them what every child experiences on at least one knee once a week. It could be slightly worse for Mann depending on how hairy his chest is & if he'd shaved the area as he should've first. Any "wound" was doubtless trivial and fine within 20 seconds.
    3. We don't know his intent, the security folks certainly don't, all they know is they've a socially maladjusted person making preposterous claims and wrapped in electronics & who knows what. Their job is to ensure the safety of the aircraft, not cater to whackos.

      As to the intellect & motives of the security staff, glad to see you have such insight into them. Its almost as if you've flown through St. John (which btw I found to have rather decent security staff, certainly better then most other airports.) Doubtless all folks not doing whatever it is you do are "idiots with IQs that combined still don't match the intelligence of a small kitchen appliance trying to believe that they actually had a purpose for living". Remind me to be impressed by you sometime (not.)

      The only thing anyone here has to admit is the security folks were trying to do their job. As has been widely noted in Canadian press there is no "right" to fly. Furthermore Mann didn't have the paperwork that would be expected of medical electronics nor of a disabled person. Finally I'm not aware of his electronics having been certified for use onboard an aircraft and the local folks simply don't have the authority to contravene this Federal policy (nor should they for such a frivolous reason.)

      Glad you've found such a role model in Mann - I wish you the dubious pleasure of spending some time with him sometime and seeing how he operates. You just got sucked into yet another of his little dramas.

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