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Google's Pageranking Explained

bluegreenone writes "Google has a new page up about some of their proprietary search technology. Looks like Teoma's bid to outdo Google may be harder than they initially thought." It's an interesting technique, and definitely a lot harder for competitors to duplicate than I would have originally thought.

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  1. Gives new meaning to ... by WilliamsDA · · Score: 5, Funny

    hunt and peck

  2. Pigeons by Stone+Rhino · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wonder if they also use the pigeons to carry data on their internal network?

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    1. Re:Pigeons by WinterSolstice · · Score: 3, Funny
      Yes, they do.

      The new Pigeon Packets (RFC 999421-B) use a new form of CRC to help ensure accurate package delivery. Unlike Ethernet and Token-Ring however, these packages are left in the area after mistaken delivery, and must be periodically cleaned.

      The biggest problem stems from packet storms...

      -WS

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    2. Re:Pigeons by daviddennis · · Score: 2
      This has all been covered in detail in RFC 1149.

      Also see the World's First RFC 1149 implementation

      D

  3. Teoma's Technology by citroidSD · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually, I just came back from Teoma, talked to an engineer there, and he told me that using Pigeon Clusters is so outdated. He showed me Teoma's technology. It was a room full of monkeys sitting in front of PC's (running Linux of course). Sure it was a smelly room, but those primates were busy pounding away on the keyboard...

    Primate Clusters are the way to go baby.

    1. Re:Teoma's Technology by NMerriam · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem with using primates is that they are so busy writing the complete works of Shakespeare, they rarely have time to work on the web search rankings...

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  4. Pigeons? they are just trying to confuse you by Emugamer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow they have you all going. This is an April Fool's day joke if I ever saw it. I've been to Google's secret underground lair and as anyone who has survived their Mission Impossible style defenses can tell you.... its Squirrels, this is just a lame attempt to throw off their competitors.

    hmmm what happened to the post as Anonymous Coward box? oh well, Google Doesn't know where I live, do they? ......

    1. Re:Pigeons? they are just trying to confuse you by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 2

      Wow. For a minute, I thought this was serious.
      Ha ha ha ha I can't help but laugh.

    2. Re:Pigeons? they are just trying to confuse you by Emugamer · · Score: 2

      Moderation Totals: Redundant=1, Funny=4, Overrated=2, Total=7.

      Yikes... seems that my humor is only found funny by a few :)

  5. New home for India's unwanted pigeons by Reziac · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, you read it here first, those retired carrier pigeons from India are being shipped to Google as we speak. Of course Google will have to take steps to ensure that no pigeons escape back to India carrying precious webpage rankings -- imagine the disaster if every web page in the world suddenly pointed at India!! Why, there'd barely be enough to go round!

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  6. And this is why.. by baptiste · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I like Google so much. Yes, their search engine rocks - nobody can compare.

    But in the end they still haven't forgotten their roots and can still have fun - it reminds me when other Internet companies didn't take themsleves so serious all the time.

    Don't look out your window! There's Temoa engineers scraping up pigeon droppings off the street to do a little reverse engineering!

    1. Re:And this is why.. by Saeger · · Score: 2
      Reminds me of a line that a boss of mine used to say, which went like: "Professionals are supposed to wear frowns." As if being human and having a lightheart is unproductive somewhow. We need more people on the cluetrain.

      This is somewhat offtopic, but you ever notice how some people's brows are permanently furrowed--especially news anchors? They've etched the "looking busy" or "I'm a serious mofo" expression onto their face and probably consider it an asset... but all I can think is, "lighten up man!"

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  7. impressive by bareminimum · · Score: 3, Funny

    But the term Pigeon Prank (tm) patented process would be more appropriate.

  8. Posted by an Anonymous Coward. by bihoy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah, I've heard it thru the grapevine that the RIAA plans to target Google next. Teoma is hoping to do an endrun around them with a wholly different set of technology. It only stand to reason that Google is trying to put a good front on the whole issue in hope that they can instantiaite a new buisnes model that involves a micropayment system arrangment with paypal.

    Personally I think this is getting way outta control.

    1. Re:Posted by an Anonymous Coward. by Cowculator · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, the DMCA might be kinda useless here - Google caches sites on the bottom of the pigeons' cages, so the copyrighted works certainly aren't in their original form anymore.

  9. Every time you GoogleWhack... by Warped-Reality · · Score: 2, Funny

    A pigeon gets it's wings

    :)

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  10. Evolution of Search Engines by mikosullivan · · Score: 2
    First, CUI was My Search Engine of Choice. Then WebCrawler was My Search Engine of Choice. Then AltaVista came along and became My Search Engine of Choice. Now Google is My Search Engine of Choice. Why shouldn't something else come along?

    I love Google, and I do have a hard time imagining someone else doing a better job, but I'll drop them like a bad habit if something better comes along.

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  11. Google Rocks! by hillct · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not only have they survived while other .com era companies have faltered, they have ratained the good humor and playfullness that was a hallmark of that era.

    Go GOOGLE!

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  12. pigeons monkeys by Gary+Yngve · · Score: 2

    All these reports indicate one thing: while it may take millions of monkeys hammering away at keyboards to get what you want, use only a few thousand pigeons and get it faster and better.

  13. Ah-hah! by PinkStainlessTail · · Score: 4, Funny
    parrots posing seductively in resplendent plumage

    No wonder the first 100 hits for "monitors" are from the Viewsonic site...

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  14. More Importantly by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are they able to carry coconuts?

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    1. Re:More Importantly by Buran · · Score: 2

      "Are you saying coconuts migrate?"

      "A swallow could grip it by the husk!"

    2. Re:More Importantly by Geek+In+Training · · Score: 2

      Are they able to carry coconuts?

      Only two birds at a time, with a good tailwind.

      (Wakka wakka wakka! Don't you just love April Fool's Day? Or Poisson d'Avril, if you prefer. Something about the frenchies sticking fish on peoples' backs just sounds unsettling, though. But all of this is definitely much better than trying to figure out the terrorism in Israel. As Dave Barry said, in fifty million years, when all the humans have died out, there will be cockroaches in the middle east who still hate a different group of cockroaches in the middle east; they're just never going to have peace.)

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  15. off topic - April Fool's Day @ TheOnion by jvj24601 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know, with all of the news sites carrying bogus stories in the spirit of April Fool's Day, I was wondering what the ONION would do about this. Turns out that they didn't change a thing.
    actual news stories up there. It would have been great to read real news about the latest bombings in the Middle East, or GW's plans to fight terrorism, right on the front page and see if anyone would believe (or not believe, as the case may be) those stories.

    Missed opportunities abound...

  16. Imagine... by darkov · · Score: 2, Funny

    a beowolf cluser of these! And then imagine the smell.

  17. Makes you wonder by mocm · · Score: 5, Funny

    what's behind the carnivore program.

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    1. Re:Makes you wonder by hex1848 · · Score: 2

      what's behind the carnivore program.

      rats.. big, hairy, carnivorous rats with scraggly teeth.

  18. Re:Pigeon Jokes got old long ago by Nighttime · · Score: 2, Funny

    All your pigeon are belong to us

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  19. Ummm...Not funny? by SwellJoe · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I've so far been disappointed by all of the April Fools stuff I've seen except the MaraDNS version 0.9.90 announcement this morning. Very satisfying and very subtle, that one. This other stuff? Bleh!

    Pigeons searching the web? Where's the subtlety in that? Where's the surprise? The Slashdot bit was mildly entertaining, Freshmeat was just a groaner. There has to be surprise to really get a good laugh going, and I just wasn't surprised by these things. Maybe I'm jaded from reading them for too long and knowing what to expect from them.

    Oh, well, I'll quit griping now. Maybe I'll go read the MaraDNS release announcement again. That'll put me in a better mood, I reckon.

  20. Interesting... by grnbrg · · Score: 5, Funny

    It might take an infinite number of monkeys to produce the internet, but apparently it only takes a finite number of pigeons to rank it...

    :)

    grnbrg

    1. Re:Interesting... by markmoss · · Score: 2

      It might take an infinite number of monkeys to produce the internet, but apparently it only takes a finite number of pigeons to rank it...
      Or to fly over and make it rank.

    2. Re:Interesting... by StandardDeviant · · Score: 2

      It's always easier to be a critic than a creator. ;-)

  21. This just proves Teoma is doomed. . . by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The point of using pigeons instead of monkeys is that pigeons are commodity birdware that can be found in any public park or on any statue. Using monkeys means all sorts of hassles. Simians not being native to the US, reliance on monkeys puts us at the mercy of tin pot dictators from monkeyed countries.

    Further, pigeons have consistently been shown to outperform humans in search engine environments, and though no direct pigeon/monkey benchmarks have been performed, monkeys suffer from many of the same limitations which bottleneck human performance. They're more expensive to maintain, they crash frequently during mating season, and pigeons are completely immune to the feces-hurling problems found in all monkey clusters (and a few human ones).

    Finally, TCO for a twelve-bird cluster is actually *less* than that for a single monkey. Teoma isn't going to be able to scale their system without a massive influx of cash and bananas.

    Man, doesn't *anybody* read the articles?

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    1. Re:This just proves Teoma is doomed. . . by scumdamn · · Score: 3

      This whole post deserves a +5 for the term "monkeyed countries" alone.
      If more slashdot comments contained the term monkeyed countries the world (or at least the slashdot corner of it) would be a better place.

  22. good lord by BurpingWeezer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good Lord. I forgot today was April 1. I actually started reading the article thinking it was a normal one. I'm thinking "Oh my god, they actually do this?"

    Its only 9 am and time for a beer already!

  23. madness by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 3, Funny

    First they allow patenting math (all software comes from code and all code can be expressed as math) and now they'll patent the use of live animals?! When will this cruelty end!!!

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  24. Re:World Famous Chef by Soko · · Score: 2

    How about Colonel Saunders? ^_^

    Whooops, you meant preparing meals for the pidgeons didn't you, not preparing the pidgeons as meals? My bad. :-P

    Soko

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  25. Google on April Fools Day by bsdparasite · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google has always come up with some very interesting articles on April 1st. This is one is by far the most interesting.

    GO GO GOOOOGLE!!

  26. BoW, BAAH! We got better than that by Em+Emalb · · Score: 2

    Beak over Wing?

    this is a great new technology. My employer has currently started development on a next generation of this amaxing tech: BoW+1C. Beak over Wing + 1 claw is amazingingly fast. Our benchmarks show your page rankings can be done using half the pigeons, with maximum results. In fact, one of our early adopters (Bobs House of Kink and Bubble Gum) has trippled his page hits in 3 hours using this technology. For more information, please browse our website: http://www.pow+1c.com You won't regret it!!!!

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  27. Re:Damn that was fast... by cyclist1200 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good...I was worried all those unemployed pigeons would drag the economy back down!

  28. Analysis of PageRank attack resistance by raph · · Score: 2

    Heh, the PigeonRank page is definitely the best April Fools joke so far.

    As part of my PhD research, I've been doing some analysis of the PageRank algorithm. A few weeks ago, I did some analysis of the attack-resistance properties, and found that it is one of two known instances of an attack resistant trust metric (the other being Advogato. To me, this is pretty exciting, as it would seem to support my belief that trust metrics have much wider use than the PKI-like applications that originally motivated my research.

    The analysis of PageRank is in Chapter 6 of my thesis-in-progress. Also in the chapter is a discussion of how to apply the trust metric to more general metadata, as well as a distributed network model of the trust metric.

    Serious hackers will also be interested in my spiffy research implementation of PageRank.

    I'm very much interested in connecting with others who understand and appreciate these results. Lord knows why I'm posting to Slashdot... oh well, time to go back to feeding my pigeons.

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  29. They patented it! by Micah · · Score: 2

    The b@st@rds! I hereby call for a boycott of Google until they guarantee that all Free Software projects can use this royalty free!

  30. I sent this in hours ago by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2

    I've said it once, and I'll say it again: I sent this story in hours ago and it was rejected! Bah.

  31. In other news by guttentag · · Score: 2

    Teoma sends its Beowulf cluster to devour Google's Pigeon cluster. Teoma still sucks, but it reigns supreme over Google's feather-littered server room.

  32. Try searching for... by jonasj · · Score: 2, Funny

    PigeonRank is real - GoogleWhack!

    (Oh, and notice how the spellchecker suggests that you probably meant "PageRank"... ;-))

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  33. This puts a new meaning by Liquor · · Score: 2

    This puts a whole new meaning on 'pigeonholing' a document.

    But the real problem that this technology has created, is that until now, nobody realized that pigeons were really penguins in disguise... :)

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