I'm sorry, I've been incredible busy the last few days and still is, but go to reddit and try doing some searches for "israel", "israeli" and "gaza" from articles within the last month, and set sort to "top" -- you'll find the articles I talked about and many others. Or search specifically for the ones I talked about.
I am afraid that you are the one to have fallen for propaganda, moreso than I.
Of course he saw the word all. But what are those brackets supposed to mean? The stuff you are writing doesn't make any sense! I'm close to considering you a troll, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here... explain yourself!
Could it be argued that Python, due to it's style, is the best language for writing code in hand on paper? I hope so, because that would add a funny additional meaning to your last sentence.
Yeah, because firing two rockets and killing ten people is obviously far worse than bombing a huge area and killing a thousand.
Sorry for the sarcasm, but seriously:
I'm half Danish and I live in Denmark. The Danes tend to be rather proud of the resistance movement that they had during the nazi occupation in the 1940's -- and I can totally understand why. Even though killing people is generally not a nice thing, I certainly cannot say that it was wrong of them to resist the nazi occupation, including by killing Germans. Likewise, I cannot say that it is wrong of the Palestinians to resist the zionist occupation, including by killing Israelis. What Israel is doing to the Palestinians amounts to an ethnical cleansing strikingly similar to what happened in Europe in the second world war.
I assume that you don't agree, but then how do you explain all the reports about Israeli soldiers shooting children up close in cold blood? Or herding large number of civilians into a building and then bombing it? What about the graffiti the soldiers had written in Gaza with statements like "Death to all arabs"? I can look up the links for you if you want me to.
At first glance it might seem odd that a people who only 65 years ago were victims of such horrible acts would turn around and do the same thing to others, but it's really not that strange; it's a common pattern -- just think of how people who were abused as children tend to be the ones who themselves abuse children later in their lifes! It really comes down to not being able to forgive the terrible things that have been done to you, and therefore hanging on to the suffering, and then, unintentionally, ending up perpetuating the same kind of actions. I have observed that kind of pattern in my own life, where I have treated people who were close to me badly, and later thought "Why in the world did I act like that", and then realized that I had been similarly treated badly earlier in my life and had not fully recovered from it, and that was what was causing my behavior. What we're seeing in Israel's behaviour is just the same thing as the bullied kid who then goes on to bully other kids -- just on a far larger scale. It's what happens when you cannot *let go* of what was done to you.
I'm sorry to have to tell you the unpleasant truth that you seem to be unaware of, but Israel's policies and military actions are inherently racist. You and everybody reading this ought to, for starters, watch this 9-minute clip from 2006, during that wave of the Israel-Lebanon war. It's an interview with a British politician who talks about the background of the conflict, and it is simply one of the clearest, well put things I have ever heard anyone say about this whole subject.
Of course it was, it's the GPL, nothing more, nothing less.
No, the Gnu compiler collection does not require that every application compiled with it be licensed under the GPL, that would be absurd.
Huh?? True, it doesn't, and the GIMP doesn't require every image edited with it to be GPL-licensed, and orange juice doesn't require anyone drinking it to first dance a happy little dance while singing a song about the underpant gnomes from south park! But what in the world does ANY of those facts have to do with this discussion? Nobody here suggested that the GNU compiler collection required that! I know Obama promised change, but if he's already changed the fundamental laws of debate such that any point can now be refuted by saying the word "No" followed by stating a completely unrelated fact, then that's more than I had expected!
No, as I mentioned before, I am referring to the restrictions on the Free edition.
Ah, but now you're talking about the QPL -- an entirely different license. In you original post you consistently referred to the GPL-licensed Qt.
This is about building GNOME applications with JavaScript, and GNOME runs on many different platforms, of which Linux is one, so why in the world is the headline Building Linux Applications With JavaScript?
Qt was already Open Source, of course, under the GPL.
That is not entirely accurate.
Sorry, but that _is_ entirely accurate. Qt _was_ already very much free software and open source, under the GPL.
You could not use the "Free" version of Qt to develop a closed source application.
That is the case with ANY GPL licensed library!
The GPL version of Qt was intended by Trolltech to only be used for educational, non-commercial, and personal use.
It is not true that the GPL'd version of Qt couldn't be used for commercial software development -- any GPL'd software can be used in creating any other piece of software, whether commercial or not. Maybe you meant to say proprietary rather than commercial?
It was certainly not a traditional GPL software development toolkit in the sense of the restrictions placed on the developer.
It WAS a "traditional GPL software development toolkit" in the sense of the rules you had to follow when using it, yes. EVERY other GPL'd library comes with the same restrictions.
I don't know of any other open-source development environments, or widget toolkits that carry these same type of restrictions.
Again, see every other GPL'd library.
(I posted this a minute ago and it showed up as posted by an AC! This is the second time very recently I've had a comment show up as AC even though I swear I hadn't checked that box. A bug in the new discussion system? Has anyone else experienced the same?)
So in other words they are NOT seriously consider basing ubuntu mobile on qt or kde in the future? Just so I'm sure I understand right what you're saying... if that is in fact what you're saying. (If it is, it would be somewhat of a relief.)
I don't usually reply to people's sigs, but since this is a politics discussion already it's not that OT, but it just struck me that it might be easier for arabs to love their children if Israel would, like, you know, stop killing their children, if you see what I mean.
You should check out Codeweavers Crossover Games. It works better than Cedega from my experience, and it's a friendly commercial version of Wine (similar to what StarOffice is for OpenOffice), rather than a hostile fork like Cedega.
I strongly disagree with you about the Microsoft deal. And I'm not particularly fond of Mono either -- and I don't understand Miguel de Icaza's absurd obsession with anything that comes out of Redmond (see: Moonlight, for example).
Secondly, I just checked, and you can download a free copy of Mandriva.
Okay. I didn't know that.
Guess what you cannot get for free from Canonical? Support that does not involve an IRC channel or message board.
Neither can you from Red Hat or Novell, I would suspect...
Canonical also charges more for a single support license than Red Hat or Novell.
I don't care what Canonical charges! I'm not interested in buying any support contracts. I merely replied to your point about why Ubuntu was getting so much attention, and now it feels like I'm expected to defend Canonical's business desicions all of a sudden:-)
Fedora is Red Hat's declared desktop strategy, and the latest edition (Fedora 10) is excessively easy to install and use, and *just works,* under the same definition of "just works" that the Ubuntu fans use. Fedora is as suitable for "regular users" as Ubuntu is
(And I thought "just works" was a GNOME motto that Ubuntu adopted? Maybe I remember incorrectly.)
So your argument basically amounts to this: Novell and anything they sponsor is bad, because they have a deal with Microsoft,
Something like that:-)
except when you need something they put a lot of work into like Mono, in which case it is OK,
I don't care about Mono. Mono could die tomorrow and it wouldn't concern me.
Mandriva is bad because they used to charge for some packages,
I didn't know it was free of charge now. I still wouldn't choose to run it, though. But I didn't say it was "bad", I just replied to your question about why Ubuntu was getting so much attention.
and Fedora is not suitable for end users because you said so.
No, because Red Hat said so! Big difference.
But Ubuntu is OK because it is free, not involved in a Microsoft deal
I'd throw in "and Debian-based", which I happen to like a lot, but yeah:-)
, and never mind the fact that they just rebrand the work of everyone else.
Why all the Ubuntu-hating? It's a nice distro. You're making it sound like I hate Fedora or Red Hat! I don't! I'm fully aware of their MASSIVE contribution to the GNU/Linux desktop! I support them! I'd own shares in Red Hat if I could afford to buy any! All I'm saying is that Ubuntu is the distribution I choose to install on the machines of my family/girlfriend/friends/etc., because it's nice and neat and polished and just works.
Slashdot Mirror
Surely it was supposed to be 5 cents a month, but they didn't grasp the difference?
It was a beta, not an alpha.
Had a little time. Googled a bit for you. Please explain these:
Israeli forces moved about 110 Palestinians into a house, told them to stay inside, and later shelled it repeatedly
"The evidence we've gathered in two of the cases so far is exceedingly strong," said Fred Abrahams, a senior researcher with Human Rights Watch working in the Gaza Strip. "All the research so far suggests they shot civilians that were leaving their homes with white flags." Along with the white flag incidents, Human Rights Watch is calling for an international investigation into widespread charges that Israel prevented medical teams from helping wounded Palestinians trapped in their homes and needlessly demolished hundreds of houses, including dozens in Ezbt Abed Rabbo. "This was not a rogue unit," said Abrahams. "The needless civilian deaths resulted from concrete decisions made by the military."
Israeli soldiers entering the village: attempted to bulldoze houses with civilians inside; killed civilians trying to escape under the protection of white flags; opened fire on an ambulance attempting to reach the wounded; used indiscriminate force in a civilian area and fired white phosphorus shells.
At least 40 people were killed and 55 injured when Israeli artillery shells landed outside a United Nations-run school in Gaza, UN officials have said. [...] The UN says there were no militants in the compound
Yay, a school!
About 500 people including patients were huddled in a Gaza City hospital that suffered a "direct hit" in an Israeli air strike Thursday, the international Red Cross said, condemning the incident as unacceptable.
And a hospital. It just keeps getting better, doesn't it?
Outrage as Israel bombs UN HQ, hospital, school and media building
The U.N. suspended food deliveries to Gaza and the Red Cross accused Israel of blocking medical assistance after forces fired on aid workers, killing two
Israel denies Gaza access to clean water
- all that, plus shooting children directly in the head: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/4279102/Bullets-in-the-brain-shrapnel-in-the-spine-the-terrible-injuries-suffered-by-children-of-Gaza.html
Your country is a fascist state committing full scale genocide.
I'm sorry, I've been incredible busy the last few days and still is, but go to reddit and try doing some searches for "israel", "israeli" and "gaza" from articles within the last month, and set sort to "top" -- you'll find the articles I talked about and many others. Or search specifically for the ones I talked about.
I am afraid that you are the one to have fallen for propaganda, moreso than I.
I'm sorry I don't have more time right now.
and on a TV
Never heard of computers with tv-out plugs?
Yeah, I agree, it's merge behaviour can be quite unintelligent in many cases. Prefer Bazaar myself.
Of course he saw the word all. But what are those brackets supposed to mean? The stuff you are writing doesn't make any sense! I'm close to considering you a troll, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here... explain yourself!
How in the world did that rant get modded +5, Insightful? Is bogaboga bribing moderators or what? What's informative about it?
Life is hard and the world is cruel. Always has been, always will be.
Wow... poor you :-/
Could it be argued that Python, due to it's style, is the best language for writing code in hand on paper? I hope so, because that would add a funny additional meaning to your last sentence.
Yeah, because firing two rockets and killing ten people is obviously far worse than bombing a huge area and killing a thousand.
Sorry for the sarcasm, but seriously:
I'm half Danish and I live in Denmark. The Danes tend to be rather proud of the resistance movement that they had during the nazi occupation in the 1940's -- and I can totally understand why. Even though killing people is generally not a nice thing, I certainly cannot say that it was wrong of them to resist the nazi occupation, including by killing Germans. Likewise, I cannot say that it is wrong of the Palestinians to resist the zionist occupation, including by killing Israelis. What Israel is doing to the Palestinians amounts to an ethnical cleansing strikingly similar to what happened in Europe in the second world war.
I assume that you don't agree, but then how do you explain all the reports about Israeli soldiers shooting children up close in cold blood? Or herding large number of civilians into a building and then bombing it? What about the graffiti the soldiers had written in Gaza with statements like "Death to all arabs"? I can look up the links for you if you want me to.
At first glance it might seem odd that a people who only 65 years ago were victims of such horrible acts would turn around and do the same thing to others, but it's really not that strange; it's a common pattern -- just think of how people who were abused as children tend to be the ones who themselves abuse children later in their lifes! It really comes down to not being able to forgive the terrible things that have been done to you, and therefore hanging on to the suffering, and then, unintentionally, ending up perpetuating the same kind of actions. I have observed that kind of pattern in my own life, where I have treated people who were close to me badly, and later thought "Why in the world did I act like that", and then realized that I had been similarly treated badly earlier in my life and had not fully recovered from it, and that was what was causing my behavior. What we're seeing in Israel's behaviour is just the same thing as the bullied kid who then goes on to bully other kids -- just on a far larger scale. It's what happens when you cannot *let go* of what was done to you.
I'm sorry to have to tell you the unpleasant truth that you seem to be unaware of, but Israel's policies and military actions are inherently racist. You and everybody reading this ought to, for starters, watch this 9-minute clip from 2006, during that wave of the Israel-Lebanon war. It's an interview with a British politician who talks about the background of the conflict, and it is simply one of the clearest, well put things I have ever heard anyone say about this whole subject.
...I don't even know why I'm bothering defending (sort of) Qt here - I don't even LIKE Qt (GTKFTW:)). Guess it's just this.
Now that, on the other hand, is a very convincing argument. Oh you poor caffeine addiction sufferers...
Huh?? True, it doesn't, and the GIMP doesn't require every image edited with it to be GPL-licensed, and orange juice doesn't require anyone drinking it to first dance a happy little dance while singing a song about the underpant gnomes from south park! But what in the world does ANY of those facts have to do with this discussion? Nobody here suggested that the GNU compiler collection required that! I know Obama promised change, but if he's already changed the fundamental laws of debate such that any point can now be refuted by saying the word "No" followed by stating a completely unrelated fact, then that's more than I had expected!
No, as I mentioned before, I am referring to the restrictions on the Free edition.
Ah, but now you're talking about the QPL -- an entirely different license. In you original post you consistently referred to the GPL-licensed Qt.
One wikipedia link does not a series of detailed points refute!
Before 2005 Qt was distributed under the license you linked to, and not under the GPL -- the point being?
Thanks for confirming.
Reminds me of http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/14/1245204. Slashdot seems to like spinning it like Ubuntu wants to move to Qt more than is actually the case.
This is about building GNOME applications with JavaScript, and GNOME runs on many different platforms, of which Linux is one, so why in the world is the headline Building Linux Applications With JavaScript?
Oh, kdawson. Explains it.
Qt was already Open Source, of course, under the GPL.
That is not entirely accurate.
Sorry, but that _is_ entirely accurate. Qt _was_ already very much free software and open source, under the GPL.
You could not use the "Free" version of Qt to develop a closed source application.
That is the case with ANY GPL licensed library!
The GPL version of Qt was intended by Trolltech to only be used for educational, non-commercial, and personal use.
It is not true that the GPL'd version of Qt couldn't be used for commercial software development -- any GPL'd software can be used in creating any other piece of software, whether commercial or not. Maybe you meant to say proprietary rather than commercial?
It was certainly not a traditional GPL software development toolkit in the sense of the restrictions placed on the developer.
It WAS a "traditional GPL software development toolkit" in the sense of the rules you had to follow when using it, yes. EVERY other GPL'd library comes with the same restrictions.
I don't know of any other open-source development environments, or widget toolkits that carry these same type of restrictions.
Again, see every other GPL'd library.
(I posted this a minute ago and it showed up as posted by an AC! This is the second time very recently I've had a comment show up as AC even though I swear I hadn't checked that box. A bug in the new discussion system? Has anyone else experienced the same?)
So in other words they are NOT seriously consider basing ubuntu mobile on qt or kde in the future? Just so I'm sure I understand right what you're saying... if that is in fact what you're saying. (If it is, it would be somewhat of a relief.)
Just like Debian GNU/Linux couldn't possibly exist without the work of, say, the GNU and Linux developers.
You know, there'd be no need to duck if you'd just say "derived from" instead of "ripped off" :-)
I don't usually reply to people's sigs, but since this is a politics discussion already it's not that OT, but it just struck me that it might be easier for arabs to love their children if Israel would, like, you know, stop killing their children, if you see what I mean.
Blaarrh.... old joke.
Though I wouldn't want to type on him.
You should check out Codeweavers Crossover Games. It works better than Cedega from my experience, and it's a friendly commercial version of Wine (similar to what StarOffice is for OpenOffice), rather than a hostile fork like Cedega.
...or until you want to buy a new laptop, even to run a non-Microsoft OS on.
I strongly disagree with you about the Microsoft deal. And I'm not particularly fond of Mono either -- and I don't understand Miguel de Icaza's absurd obsession with anything that comes out of Redmond (see: Moonlight, for example).
Secondly, I just checked, and you can download a free copy of Mandriva.
Okay. I didn't know that.
Guess what you cannot get for free from Canonical? Support that does not involve an IRC channel or message board.
Neither can you from Red Hat or Novell, I would suspect...
Canonical also charges more for a single support license than Red Hat or Novell.
I don't care what Canonical charges! I'm not interested in buying any support contracts. I merely replied to your point about why Ubuntu was getting so much attention, and now it feels like I'm expected to defend Canonical's business desicions all of a sudden :-)
Fedora is Red Hat's declared desktop strategy, and the latest edition (Fedora 10) is excessively easy to install and use, and *just works,* under the same definition of "just works" that the Ubuntu fans use. Fedora is as suitable for "regular users" as Ubuntu is
On http://www.redhat.com/software/rhelorfedora/, Fedora is described as being something you should use if you are a "Developer or highly technical enthusiast".
(And I thought "just works" was a GNOME motto that Ubuntu adopted? Maybe I remember incorrectly.)
So your argument basically amounts to this: Novell and anything they sponsor is bad, because they have a deal with Microsoft,
Something like that :-)
except when you need something they put a lot of work into like Mono, in which case it is OK,
I don't care about Mono. Mono could die tomorrow and it wouldn't concern me.
Mandriva is bad because they used to charge for some packages,
I didn't know it was free of charge now. I still wouldn't choose to run it, though. But I didn't say it was "bad", I just replied to your question about why Ubuntu was getting so much attention.
and Fedora is not suitable for end users because you said so.
No, because Red Hat said so! Big difference.
But Ubuntu is OK because it is free, not involved in a Microsoft deal
I'd throw in "and Debian-based", which I happen to like a lot, but yeah :-)
, and never mind the fact that they just rebrand the work of everyone else.
Why all the Ubuntu-hating? It's a nice distro. You're making it sound like I hate Fedora or Red Hat! I don't! I'm fully aware of their MASSIVE contribution to the GNU/Linux desktop! I support them! I'd own shares in Red Hat if I could afford to buy any! All I'm saying is that Ubuntu is the distribution I choose to install on the machines of my family/girlfriend/friends/etc., because it's nice and neat and polished and just works.