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No-click Mouse?

TheRealZappa writes "For quite a while now I have been looking for a mouse that would not make any "clicking" sound when the buttons are pressed... Does it even exist? So to all you quiet-pc amateurs and hardware hackers... Can it be hacked? Can it be bought somewhere?" Sure it exists, I think they call it a "trackball" or "touchpad". Seriously, I've never had a non-broken mouse that didn't click.

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  1. Touchscreen mouse? by bscott · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why not use the stuff they put on touchscreens? It works via the capacitance-change caused by contact with your skin, as I recall. Wouldn't click unless you failed to trim your fingernails...

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  2. I don't know what brand you've been using... by Daniel+Wood · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Sure it exists, I think they call it a "trackball" or "touchpad". Seriously, I've never had a non-broken mouse that didn't click.

    I have yet to see a trackball that doesn't use "mouse buttons."

    1. Re:I don't know what brand you've been using... by addaon · · Score: 2

      I have yet to see a trackball that doesn't use "mouse buttons."

      I agree with you, Michael is a bit strange. But just to be contrary, they do use buttonless trackballs quite often in kiosks, for example in museum displays, because they're simply much harder for us damn customers to break. Normally, they use 'dwell' instead of a click; that is, if you hover over a button for a moment or so, it reacts as if a click occured. There are software packages to allow you to do this with a mouse/trackball on a PC; they're nice if you really can't click a button (they're usually part of a disability suite), but you'll go crazy with irritation, waiting around for a click to magically occur, if you have the ability to click normally.

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  3. Silicon etc? by NWT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps you could inject some silicon under the buttons, i guess that would stop the clickdown sound. Anyway, I just listened carefully to my mouse and it makes 2 clicking sounds, one when the button is pressed and one when it is released. Try to examine an old mouse, rip it into pieces and see where the sound comes from ... Another solution is to waer headphones while sitting in front of your computer ...

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    1. Re:Silicon etc? by Webmoth · · Score: 2

      I'd recommend silicone instead. Silicon has to be extremely hot to be injected, and would probably melt your mouse.

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    2. Re:Silicon etc? by Webmoth · · Score: 2

      bah. Forgot to close a tag, dingit! Shoulda been 'silicone instead.' Now it's not as funny. Oh well, when you're at karma cap, who cares?

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  4. just break the clicker by vipw · · Score: 3, Informative

    just break the catch that clicks under the mouse buttons, i've done that a few times on accident, pulling up the buttons(nervous habit). you lose some tactile response, but i don't see how to get around that, smooth motion is usually what is quiet.

  5. No-click mice? by zangdesign · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wouldn't that seriously impair your ability to click on link?

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!

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  6. Laptop mouse buttons? by Eye+of+the+Frog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm using a Thinkpad T20, and the mouse buutons are very quiet. Maybe the buttons could be modified for a regular mouse?

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  7. Cirque by Liquor · · Score: 4, Informative

    You may still be able to get a Cirque 'glide-pad' touchpad for a mouse - while it has buttons, you can use a tap on the pad as a click, and re-assign the buttons to different actions (such as cut and paste). Under Windows, the drivers provide the 'click' throught the PC squeaker - but this can be turned off.

    I haven't seen any for sale for a few years now, though. (On the other hand, I have several, and NONE of them have failed in years of every day use - though the touch surfaces are all well polished and slightly concave now. They're the most reliable mouse I've ever encountered.)

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  8. replace the switches by Perdo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mouses use momentary on click plunger switches soldered onto a circuit board. Replace the switches with quiet momentary on plungers and cut them to proper height. Probably best to use plungers with stiffer springs to keep a tactile feel of on/off. Spray the moving parts with silicone grease and enjoy your silent mouse. Then put a fan in it to cool your sweaty palm

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    1. Re:replace the switches by dattaway · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If your mouse uses those cheap shiny disks directly soldered onto a circuit board, you can replace those disks with those soft, graphite contacts found in some of those cheap soft touch keyboards.

      Well, you don't actually replace the disk as it is needed to hold the graphite composite button in place. Pry that disk up, place a thin slice of the graphite pad underneath it. Make sure the graphite composite surface facing the board is carved into a concave shape. This will allow pressure to turn it on-off. Presto--no more click! Just soft pressure!

  9. Re:Apple makes one.. by TheTomcat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wrong.

    There's one of those beside me right now, and it still makes the clicking noise. They do have movable parts, and I've used one on a PC before (it was headless, and I needed a mouse for 5 minutes, so I grabbed the closest USB mouse).

    How it works is pretty simple: the whole top is a button and it is hinged slightly lower than the middle, so you can rest your hand on it, and when you apply pressure, it "clicks".

    They're kinda cool, and they glow all pretty (transparent), but the cord is like 6" long and they only have 1 button.

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  10. the geeky thing to do by Hadlock · · Score: 2, Funny

    the geeky thing to do would be to use your standard mouse, or maybe a serial mouse, plug it into a set of driving-game pedals (1 gas, 1 brake). Epoxy your mouse buttons in the up position, and don't use the click function until you hack together a driver that lets you do variable-force clicking. :)

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  11. Why no click? by rubinson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to troll, but why do you want a no-click mouse in the first place? The clicking sound is audio feedback that improves usability. Same reason that keyboards click. More feedback (tactile, visual, audio) is more useful.

    It's one thing if you're asking out of curiosity or just to see if you can do it. But if you think that there's a real, measurable benefit to a silent-click, I think that you might want to spend some time reconsidering.

    I guess the general question would be: "Under what circumstances would having a silent-click be beneficial?"

    1. Re:Why no click? by polymath69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe the clicking sound late at night keeps his SO awake? It's a good idea not to annoy the SO.

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    2. Re:Why no click? by red_dragon · · Score: 2
      The clicking sound is audio feedback that improves usability. ... More feedback (tactile, visual, audio) is more useful.

      Oh, if only keyboard manufacturers took this to heart. I really miss having an IBM buckling-spring keyboard (*snif*).

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    3. Re:Why no click? by GTRacer · · Score: 3, Funny
      Funny, I asked around a year or so ago on this very topic. Why? Well, first off, I have a silent keyboard. You know what I mean, a non-clicker...

      Secondly, I wanted a no-click mouse so that repeated clicks on record nav or field property buttons wouldn't be confused by my co-workers as me playing FreeCell.

      Yeah, that's it!

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    4. Re:Why no click? by epsalon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      headphones and being connected - the solution:

      When I have to use headphones, I usually connect a mic with some mixing level and play it on the headphones as well. As a result, I'm still connected to the enironment can can hear people around me and key clicks. Lets you enjoy the best of both worlds.

    5. Re:Why no click? by neitzsche · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My SO does hear the mouse clicking and complains about it. It's even woken our two kids during particulary fierce xpilot battles. Keyboards can have the "keyclick" feature turned off, why not mice also?

      The the discussion of *why* is irrelevant. It is a mistake for *any* engineer to think that there needs to be a reason. You should always include an on/off switch no matter what the feature.

      Electronic devices (such as printers) that can potentially kill someone (i.e. necktie stuck) if not turned off need to have on/off switches that actually work, and work immediately.

      Computers themselves (i.e. identification badge on a metal-bead neclace hitting a power supply) ought to have a better method than yanking the power cord too.

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    6. Re:Why no click? by divbyzero · · Score: 2

      For me, at least, the tactile feedback is the important thing, and the audio feedback is an annoying side effect. Has anyone ever built a keyboard which felt like an IBM Model M, but didn't make any noise? (I'm more sensitive about keyboards than mice, but the same principle applies.)

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    7. Re:Why no click? by GTRacer · · Score: 2
      Ummm, this one came with my IBM. We have a whole shelf of cheap-o generics which are also non-clickers.

      You can't find non-clickers where you live? Best Buy? Circuit City? Rat Shack?

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    8. Re:Why no click? by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

      I'm a bit late to the discussion, but thought I should point out that you can get IBM Model M keyboards off eBay for anywhere from $5 to $20.

      Incidentally, the greater pressure required on the keys is guaranteed to give you wrist pain within 15 minutes if you try to play Q3 on it.

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    9. Re:Why no click? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

      Well, mice are used to control computers in a lot of situations, right? So how about controlling computers where you need to be very quiet?

      Quite a while ago now I could hear this regular "click-click" sound while I was driving my car, listening to the radio. It really started to bug me. Eventually, I realised it wasn't some wierd problem with the car (I originally thought it was a worn suspension bush), but the presenter on the radio programme clicking through lists of phone calls, news items, etc...

    10. Re:Why no click? by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      I don't see how you can describe the sound those Ricoh copiers make as a 'hum'... More like impending-aircraft-take-off-noise of the ricoh copier...

      Kintanon

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  12. I've seen it before by red_dragon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've seen a mouse like this before. It's the StupidaMouse, the mouse with no buttons ("so users will stop clicking on things and crashing their computers"). [HTML]

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  13. Make the clicking stop! by qurob · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd pay a hundred dollars for a mouse like this.

    I'd give it to my roomate, and then I would be free of the 'click click click click click' of Diablo!

  14. One-Click by The+Madpostal+Worker · · Score: 2

    The question is if you use a no-click mouse do things like one-click shopping still apply?

    "Your honor, since my mouse made no noise it was one tap shopping."

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  15. touch pads by mmusn · · Score: 2

    While touch pads are pretty awful as pointing devices, if you want absolute quiet, they may be your best bet. Many of them can be configured so that when you gently tap on them, it counts as a click.

  16. Sun mice by larien · · Score: 2

    Some of the older Sun mice (usually attached to type 5 keyboards) are pretty quiet, but I don't know if you'd have much luck attaching to a PC. However, it shows the technology is there, probably using strips of metal for contacts rather than microswitches as used in most mice.

  17. Argh! by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sure it exists, I think they call it a "trackball" or "touchpad". Seriously, I've never had a non-broken mouse that didn't click.

    Once again proving Michael is stupidest editor on Slashdot. Michael, it's THE BUTTONS that are clicking, NOT THE MOUSE BALL. Why do you think a trackball or touchpad would not have clicking buttons? Is there some intrinsic property to a very large ball that would cause it not to have clicking buttons?

    Do you actually read what the people are asking before adding your inane comments?

    Yes, this is Flamebait, go ahead and mark me down. But it's worth losing the 3 points to make this point.

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    1. Re:Argh! by Quietust · · Score: 2
      Why do you think a trackball or touchpad would not have clicking buttons?
      This is true; nearly all trackballs/touchpads do have buttons.
      But most touchpads allow 'clicking' without pressing the buttons by simply tapping one's finger on the touchpad; this is probably why michael mentioned the touchpad.
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  18. Laptops are quieter all-round by dstone · · Score: 2

    Laptop keyboards tend to be of the mushy, non-clicking variety. The hard disks and fans tend to be quieter than desktop equivalents. And, to answer your question, the the pointing device (whatever you call it) on my IBM Thinkpad and its 3 buttons are essentially silent. Mushy, but with some physical feedback so you know contact was made. Satisfying to use. Anyways, something to consider.

  19. a plethora of silent mouse buttons by dutky · · Score: 3, Informative
    one poster has pointed out the older Sun mice whose buttons make no sound. These are sun part number 370-1169-01 (for the type-3 version with a modified RJ-11 connector) or 370-1170-01 (for the type-4 with an 8-pin min-DIN connector), and were manufactured by MouseSystems. (Mouse Systems Corp. referred to these as part numbers 401162-529/A and 401162-035/D) Nice little three button optical (old style, requiring a reflective gridded mousing surface) mice. Unless you are using a Sun workstation with a type-3 or type-4 keyboard, you will have damn little hope of using these mice.

    I seem to recall that Mouse Systems made simlar mice for other systems as well, including Macs and PCs, so you may have some luck finding an old Mouse Systems mouse with clickless buttons that will work with a relativly modern computer.

    There are also a couple of PS/2 style mice from IBM that have silent buttons: both the standard wedge shaped PS/2 mouse (Model 6450350) and the Psersonal System/2® Mini-Mouse (Part No. 95F5443) have silent buttons, and can easily be used on any modern PC with a PS/2 mouse port. Both of these mice are simple opto-mechanical two button jobs, so anyone needing a multi-button or scroll-wheel fix is SOL.

    Finally we have the early Microsoft Serial Mouse (FCC ID: C3K7PN 9939) with a 25-pin serial connector and buttons that curved over the front edge of the mouse. This mouse also had clickless buttons. Upon disassembly one finds that the buttons are simple dome microswitches, which must mean that you can get such microswitches in both clickfull and clickless versions. Again, this is a simple opto-mechanical two-button mouse.

  20. Re:Apple makes one.. by zapfie · · Score: 2

    Except when the windowing system is designed primarily for use with 1 button.. UNIX does not inherentnly mean it uses X.

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  21. Re:I mistakenly thought... by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2

    Plenty...if you design an OS whose paradigm isn't precise action but instead precise movement. It would require a bit more training, but could be very useful. I've written some apps for Win CE with a constant tap philosophy -- once the stylus hits the pad, it's movement of the stylus that alters menus and commands, rather than the tap itself. A guy even wrote a keyboard that works this way, and it's pretty quick once you get use to the paradigm...i was faster with that than I am with Fitaly.

    Also, nothing says you can't rely on synnergy between keyboard and mouse to drive commands. I play a lot of FPS like this -- use the moust as a targetting device but control everything else with the other hand. That way the pressure of a finger on the trigger won't mess up motion.

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  22. Finger Conductor by lkaos · · Score: 2

    Just fix the buttons so that they remain in place, and drill out two small holes to the tops of each button. Then, remove the momentary switch from the buttons and run a small piece of metal or wire up so that it is just above the surface of the mouse. That way, when you go to click, your finger completes the circuit and no noise or moving parts are required.

    Best of all, you still get the feedback of a small *zap* so that you know you actually clicked the button :)

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  23. Re:Wrong place by SIGFPE · · Score: 2

    Even better - buy your wife/partner/roommate/neighbour earplus.

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