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Palm Bluetooth SDIO Card Available

Posted by michael on from the sufficiently-advanced-technology dept.

boredadmin writes "It looks like Palm have finally released (a few weeks ago) their Bluetooth SDIO card to allow SD-Slot equipped Palms communicate with cellphones, PC's, access-points, etc. Now if only I could find somewhere in this sad little corner of the world that I'm stuck in that actually stocks them."

82 comments

  1. Where are you? by Paul+Bristow · · Score: 4, Informative

    Try http://www.expansys.com ,who seem to have them in stock in the UK and will ship everywhere.

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  2. Re:Where are you? - I'm very happy with Expansys by @madeus · · Score: 1

    Yep I got mine a month ago from Expansys in the UK.

    Next day delivery, ordered on the day they were announced. They were even cheaper than the high street price (now that's its in the high street), despite them being amoung first to market.

    Congrats to them!

  3. What's the point of Blue tooth? by red5 · · Score: 0

    I mean if the range is that small why not just plug the damn thing in and do it in 1/10 of the time?

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    1. Re:What's the point of Blue tooth? by squidinkcalligraphy · · Score: 1

      Bluetooth is also a channel-hog; it uses a _lot_ of the available channels in the 2.4GHz spectrum, and jumps around between them like nothing else. Good luck trying to run bluetooth and 802.11b in the same room.

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    2. Re:What's the point of Blue tooth? by nick-less · · Score: 1

      I mean if the range is that small why not just plug the damn thing in and do it in 1/10 of the time?

      No more unplugging/plugging and no "where's the damned cable?" anymore? And because it works ;-)

    3. Re:What's the point of Blue tooth? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      because A) most mac users don't have a serial port to connect to (or too cheap to buy a usb connector) their palm b) wireless is handy if you have a laptop in general c) wires suck, especially dongles. d) bluetooth is i think 7 megabits, which is faster than serial/paralell's 116500 bps. most likely it'll be faster.

      and hell, wireless is just so much cooler :)

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    4. Re:What's the point of Blue tooth? by Emil+Brink · · Score: 2

      d) bluetooth is i think 7 megabits, which is faster than serial/paralell's 116500 bps
      Bzzzt. I'm too lazy to actually download the specs right now, but from prior reading I'm fairly confident in saying that the theoretical max bandwidth is more like one megabit per second. In practice I think it maxes out around 720 kbps, which should still be able to at least beat the serial port, so at least you're correct in that respect. Just wanted to point this out.

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    5. Re:What's the point of Blue tooth? by Bud · · Score: 2
      Bluetooth is also a channel-hog; it uses a _lot_ of the available channels in the 2.4GHz spectrum, and jumps around between them like nothing else. Good luck trying to run bluetooth and 802.11b in the same room.

      If you were speaking out of your own experience, you would know that BT and WLAN can coexist fairly peacefully. The BT protocol is more robust compared to WLAN, but WLAN uses 10 times more power.

      The only thing to watch out for is heavy BT traffic close to a WLAN base station, but that's about it.

      --Bud

    6. Re:What's the point of Blue tooth? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      ah. sorry. i've never been particularly clear on what exactly is a megabit - recently i read that 1 megabit = 100kbps, of course, that's probably, kiloBYTEs, but yeah. 7 somthing. thanks again, you've helped clear up alot of things. although now i'm not so impressed by my "3 megabit" cable broadband connection ;-)

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    7. Re:What's the point of Blue tooth? by dannywyatt · · Score: 1

      Correct. Gross bandwidth is about 1 megabit/sec. But of course, there's overhead for the protocol which leaves you with about 720 kbit/sec theoretical max on an asynchronous link, or 432 kpbs (each way) on a synchronous link.

      And why use Bluetooth? Because I can get an internet connection on my handheld, via my cell phone, without my phone ever leaving my pocket.

    8. Re:What's the point of Blue tooth? by Dorf_of_Eleven · · Score: 1

      I *have* run Bluetooth and 802.11b in the same room. No problems, but I'm one guy, and can barely walk and chew gum. :)

      But by the same argument, good luck trying to run 802.11b and a microwave.

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    9. Re:What's the point of Blue tooth? by Gryff · · Score: 1

      The example of a Palm syncing to a desktop is not a great use of Bluetooth - in most cases, a USB connection would be faster and there is often a cradle attached to the machine so there's no hunt for a cable.

      That said, imagine walking down the street with bluetooth headphones on, receiving audio from your bluetooth laptop snug in its bag, which is streaming the audio from your 3G bluetooth cellphone in your pocket. The true promise of Bluetooth is the Personal Area Network - PAN - in which you exist in a cloud of interconnected devices.

      Is anyone else starting to feel vaguely concerned about how many 'clouds' we now live in?

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    10. Re:What's the point of Blue tooth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But can everybody else in the surrounding crowd?

  4. Where to buy... by gmanske · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here with a link to sales info outside the US here.

    1. Re:Where to buy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks for your information. it was COMPLETELY FUCKING USELESS to me but i am sure someone found it helpful so i am thanking you on the cocksucker's behalf.

      THANK YOU

  5. next.... by nostromo_42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    they need to start working on wireless recharging. has anyone seen a palm accessory that recharges the battery from kinetic energy of being carried around, like those watches? would this be feasible?

    1. Re:next.... by Hadlock · · Score: 2

      my electric shaver, which is touted as 100% waterproof, has a "wireless" charging feature :) - what it does (to the best of my knoweldge) is the "base" modulates an electromagnetic field of some sort, which pushes a small piece of iron (or the likes) up and down, and somehow creating an electric charge from that, and charges the battery. of course, the charger and shaver have to be w/in 2 or 3 mm, but it's been doing the trick for about 3 years now. it's a panasonic, i think. standard feature. my friend looked into doing a "wireless power" for a science fair experiment - turns out the amount of radiation it would cause (he was thinking tesla-coil archs between components) would kill the user of either a) radiation poisioning in a week, or b) kill the user of radiation through cancer in a year or so. not exactly healthy.

      kinetic recharge would be interesting. very doable, except that people are particularly gentle with PDA's, and are "worn" in the shirt pocket, or belt, which don't go "upside down" very often, if ever, unlike the wrist.

      what i'd like to see is a hack job of a 3.0 v solar panel from radio shack (~$3) and letting it run off that. I don't know if it has enough amperage, though.

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    2. Re:next.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've the got the Golden Arches. We've got the Golden Arcs.

    3. Re:next.... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

      wireless recharging has been around for at least 30 years.
      I had a electric toothbrush that used a field coil (example: take a transformer and cut it in half put 1/2 in the device the other 1/2 in the base. when they are close enough the circuit is coupled.) and you had to only set it near the base in any position.

      I was working on making my webpad recaharge in the same way except for that it only needed to be placed on one certian end table in the living room. The problem I had with that was you had to be sure NOT to leave metal objects (or floppy discs) on that table. as they would heat up.

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    4. Re:next.... by radish · · Score: 2


      The word you're looking for is "induction". Two coils, one in each part, no moving bits of metal. An AC current in the base station's coil induces a current in the other coil, by adjusting the ratio of winds in each coil you can also get a step up or step down effect. Works well, but high currents are hard and the coils have to be very close. Good for toothbrushes, not so great for PDSs (mine draws 3A when charging!).

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  6. Bluetooth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    For when the people you chat with are sitting 6 feet away.®

    1. Re:Bluetooth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "you are dumb. please don't ever do that again"

      -jimmy hoffa

    2. Re:Bluetooth by plumby · · Score: 1

      Or, of course, your phone is.

    3. Re:Bluetooth by StenD · · Score: 1
      For when the people you chat with are sitting 6 feet away.®
      As they might be when you're trapped in a mind-numbing company meeting. It can look like you're diligently taking notes, when in reality you're playing Buzzword Bingo against your friends.
  7. of course by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Informative

    heaven forbid that you're an existing palm user, with, say, a m100, or a IIIex (the cheap model), that were the last models to come out before the SDIO slot was standard. i guess this is the "killer hardware" to get people to upgrade. I'd still like to see a bluetooth "chip" that i can plug into the serial port of my m100.

    there's a serial -> USB adaptor.... i'm sure that + a bluetooth card from Apple + lots of time and effort = a usable solution. of course; it won't work with any of palm's new spiffy bluetooth apps, such as "bluechat" (aim over bluetooth, essentially), and blueboard (networked "whiteboard" app)

    personally what i'd like to see is a USB bluetooth adaptor like apple's d-link one, that has the driver software on it (linux, mac, windows) on 64k of flash memory, + java aim/jabber chat, lynx web browser, and dhcp built in. plug it into your ipaq, laptop, or school computer.

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    1. Re:of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      D'you see the graphic that accompanies this story - that's a Palm Professional. That's what I've got. What do you think the chances are of Palm developing an adapter for this??

    2. Re:of course by Drownedrat · · Score: 1

      You can get one for the V/Vx http://www.red-m.com/products/Blade/Default.asp dunno about the M10X series tho D

    3. Re:of course by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      the palm professional, palm III, palm VII, and m10x series all share the same "syncing" serial port. the palm V, Vx, m40x, 50x and palm 70x share a seperate, slimmer connector, but the same pinout. you could hack together a bluetooth connector for a palm V and wire it to your palm prof./III/m 10x

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  8. Finally, bluetooth is starting to take shape by Vegeta99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    and there are some cool applications. For instance, Nokia is planning a Bluetooth headset piece so there will be no wires connecting cell phone to headset. I can't wait to see that in action.

    1. Re:Finally, bluetooth is starting to take shape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can already get them! Ericsson make them.

    2. Re:Finally, bluetooth is starting to take shape by davros74 · · Score: 1

      I've been really interested in using a bluetooth enabled Palm m505/m515 with my cellphone, but unfortunately, I can't find a bluetooth enabled GSM phone! Does anyone know of ANY GSM bluetooth enabled phones available in the US?

    3. Re:Finally, bluetooth is starting to take shape by IronChef · · Score: 2


      ATT wireless offers the teeny Ericsson, the one with the color screen... T68? It's got bluetooth for sure and it's GSM. I recently shopped cell phones so I saw all this stuff. Head to an ATT Wireless shop.

      (of course, ATT's GSM phones won't work outside the US, which stinks... at least, that's what they told me when I asked.)

    4. Re:Finally, bluetooth is starting to take shape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an Ericsson T39(GSM) with HBH-15 BT headset. Both work great together. I also just noticed the other day that they are showing this phone as available in the US now. A couple of months ago when
      I got mine, it wasn't released in the US.
      I just ordered the SD BT card from Palm off the web last week. I can't wait to see how it works with
      the phone and internet connection.

    5. Re:Finally, bluetooth is starting to take shape by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      Their World phones will. GSM1900 is only used in the USA (It's EGSM elsewhere). Too bad they don't have GSM here!

  9. Re:What's the point of Blue tooth? FUD! by @madeus · · Score: 1

    Yes, they theoretically interfere. But every person who's actually tried it with real devices in the real world knows it's not actually a problem.

    I wish people who've never tried it would stop making such a big deal out of the fact that they happen to cross frequencies - it's REALLY such a /non issue/. It's just FUD putting people off for no good reason and it's very disappointing to see - BlueTooth in the US is lagging as it is - it's a great technology and I'm very happy with it (I'm just glad I'm in Europe and can take advantage of greater BlueTooth product avalibility!).

    Bluetooth (on my Palm to T39) works very happly with my G4 PowerBook w/ Airport on my lap - neither experience any noticeable problems or cut out.

    Both protocals are designed to cope with interference. It's not as if you 'suddenly lose a connection' or 'your bandiwidth suddenly drops' - nothing noticeable happens (network activity is fine and the PDA->Phone interaction is flawless).

    Everyone who's actually used them outside of a lab says the same thing. If you had 100 bluetooth devices in the same room, all broadcasting at once, then I wouldn't be too suprised to see a little network slowdown, but even at that extreme, life would be bearable.

  10. Will it work for the Zaurus? by Dominic · · Score: 1

    I've got a Sharp Zaurus and this would suit me fine (much less power drain than wireless Ethernet, and it could talk to my T38 'phone). Does anyone know any technical reason why this card wouldn't work on the Zaurus apart from lack of software (which can be fixed)? I take it that the Palm SD slot is the same as the Zaurus...

    1. Re:Will it work for the Zaurus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The unfortunate thing about the Zaurus is that the SD slot is on the side, and the tab (antenna?) that sticks out on this card will get in the way while holding the thing.

  11. Re: Ericsson had had a BT handsfree for a while no by @madeus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ericsson have had a BlueTooth hands free for months (maybe even a year now).

    They have 3 different models, the first one had technical probs, there is a new one which looks identical but fixes the bugs :)

    There is a third one which looks like a set of stereo headphones, but it attaches to a battery back around your waist (so you may as well just get a normal hands free and stick your phone in your pocket). This one is lame :)

    My boss has one of the new, good kind (and I will two just as soon as my flat mate and my tenant both pay me the rent the are owe :). Steep at 150 UKP though!

  12. Way too expensive by znu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone else think that $129 is an absurd price for this? I thought the entire idea of Bluetooth was that it was going to be so cheap it could just be integrated into everything. Looks like we're still going to have to wait a while for that.

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    1. Re:Way too expensive by Tyrell+Hawthorne · · Score: 1

      Well, life's tough if you're an early adopter... Hold on, the recent lowering of prices of the chips probably haven't reflected on these products yet. Economies of scale...

  13. Re:Simputer Ready to Sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, thats wonderful, another linux toy with no apps...

  14. Works wonderfully on Mac OS X by d0n+quix0te · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just download the Bluetooth software from Apple and viola! Palm Desktop will automagically sync with your Palm!

    Apple's done a wonderful job with their software, I even got it to pair with my SonyEricsson! No third party drivers required! Cool stuff...

    1. Re:Works wonderfully on Mac OS X by dannywyatt · · Score: 1

      Apple's done a wonderful job with their software, I even got it to pair with my SonyEricsson!

      There are very rigorous interoperability tests that a device (plus it's software) must undergo in order to carry the Bluetooth name. So the fact that these work together just means they've been certified, which you can already see from the fact that they're both called Bluetooth.

      This is why the Bluetooth name is trademarked, and this is why Bluetooth seems to have been so long in coming. Imagine if USB wasn't allowed to market until after the first few years during which its initial bugs were worked out...

    2. Re:Works wonderfully on Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Downloading from a viola? This must be one of those strange new electric violas.

    3. Re:Works wonderfully on Mac OS X by pacc · · Score: 2

      I don't know the state of the standard for hotsynching, but I guess the subject is complex enough to be left out of what's Bluetooth.

      If it's emulating a serial link that's one thing since there is already an application synching to palm on the mac - but to get two "stupid" bluetooth devices to work together based on standards would be in a different league.
      But that's what Bluetooth is aiming for.

    4. Re:Works wonderfully on Mac OS X by dannywyatt · · Score: 1

      Not at all: synchronization is one of the standardized Bluetooth profiles. If both devices are certified for that profile, that's all there is to it. Granted, the Palm-to-Palm-Desktop link is probably just using serial emulation and using the old Palm hotsync protocol over it.

      But if he's putting his calendar and contacts on his Sony Ericsson phone, using only Apple's software, then it's definitely using a Bluetooth profile.

    5. Re:Works wonderfully on Mac OS X by British · · Score: 2

      Imagine if USB wasn't allowed to market until after the first few years during which its initial bugs were worked out...

      I think it was called the serial port.

    6. Re:Works wonderfully on Mac OS X by rjrjr · · Score: 1

      Do you use 802.11b? Are they coexisting nicely?

  15. Re:Linux Jedi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can tell you

    - Remove Linux
    - Install Windows

    Good to go! P.S. The same instructions work for Dungeon Siege

  16. Re: Ericsson had had a BT handsfree for a while no by radish · · Score: 2


    For you IMDB buffs, the ericsson model was of course featured in the Tomb Raider movie.

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  17. Re:hypocrisy by darien · · Score: 1

    To forcibly try to bring this thread (sort of) back towards the topic, it's interesting to note that in the story, the poster comments that he can't find a BlueTooth SDIO card in "this sad little corner of the world."

    I understand his feelings entirely: but when we're feeling peeved because we have to wait a bit or pay a bit extra for the latest geek innovation, it is always worth considering how hard it must be to get a BlueTooth SDIO card in Baghdad, or Kabul, or Ramallah.

    Of course, this is a tech/science site, and it would be ridiculous if every story had to be approached geopolitically. But we've all had our perceptions shaken up a bit lately. Perhaps the tagline should really be "News for Nerds. Stuff that doesn't matter." Might lend us a little perspective.

    Anyway, sorry if this is a bit off-topic. Just wanted to share. :)

  18. Bluetooth battery charger by fatcow · · Score: 0

    But All I want for my palm is a Bluetooth(TM) charger!

  19. Does this look fragile to anyone else? by Phil+Wherry · · Score: 2

    Is it just me, or does this card look fragile? It sure looks like the antenna will protrude beyond the edge of the device. Given how thin MMC/SD/SDIO cards are, this might afford the user considerable opportunity to damage the card and/or device it's installed in. I haven't seen the cards myself, so it's certainly possible that I'm simply incorrect--but it's worth checking out before spending the $130, I imagine...

    Phil

  20. Where? by KDENCE · · Score: 0

    I don't care so much of finding a product like this, what I care about is surrounding in a place that actually uses this or any other kool technology so that I may actually NEED a product like this. I almost feel like there is so much kool stuff out there, but it is just that, out there. Somebody please point a finger (not the middle one) and show me the way!

    I guess this makes slashdot a love/hate realationship. I get to see all the kool stuff, however I never get to actually use it, I just get to read about people using it!

    Desperate in the Middle of Nowhere

    "Entertain the Brutes"

  21. Bluetooth SD Cards Available Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    They are available and in stock at FranklinCovey of all places!

    http://shopping.franklincovey.com/html/ibeCCtpIt mD spRte.jsp?section=19962&item=8387

    There are 20 available as of this posting.

  22. I cant believe this is news! by nuOpus · · Score: 1

    I cant believe this is even news ... I walked in about two weeks ago to Fry's Electronics for a memory stick, when I saw a MMC BlueTooth card by palm sitting there in front of me. I thought to myself ... WOW Palm finally released it, put it down then went on my business. There were lots of them scattered everywhere and the barcode tape even worn a little like its been there for a while. Did someone just stumble apon it like I have and just decide to share it to the rest of the world? If thats the case .... HEY They just released neat trashcans with foot levers to oopen the lid! Check it out, its in the inventory control system of Fry's Marketplace now.

  23. Red-M Blade Springboard Module for Handspring by floydigus · · Score: 1

    www.widget.co.uk have been shipping a bluetooth module for handspring PDA's for several weeks now.

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    1. Re:Red-M Blade Springboard Module for Handspring by RVley · · Score: 1

      I'm using my RedBlade BT module for the Visor for months now. Think I got it in December!

      Works pretty well, but as with a lot of other stuff: after you get it to work, you don't actually use it anymore. :)

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  24. If you're in the UK by dapprman · · Score: 1

    The Staples in Cambridge had at least one in stock last Friday

  25. syncing address books to cell phones by Broadcatch · · Score: 1

    OK, so there probably are some bluetooth cell phones out there (I sure don't have one) but why don't cell phone manufacturers/distributors and/or wireless carriers offer a service that downloads a simple CSV phone list to your phone?

    Heck, I'd pay $10 per shot to email my phone list to some address that would download it to my phone. OK, so there are some privacy implications, so don't download any numbers you don't want someone else to know.

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    The antidote for misuse of freedom of speech is more freedom of speech.
    -- Molly Ivins

    1. Re:syncing address books to cell phones by alch · · Score: 1

      All of the Ericsson phones w/ BlueTooth also support SyncML - and you can go to the Sony Ericsson web site to download sync software. There are also a few other things - you can "Bluetooth" from phone to phone, Beam through IR etc.

      T68 and T39 also have POP3 mail clients.

  26. New way to convert Palm VIIx to always-on wireless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard the other day that a company called Pellico Systems has figured out a way to turn the Palm VII and VIIx into always-on devices. Because of the obvious battery drain problem there weren't many people trying to figure this out but since their product already solves the battery problem it makes sense that they figured this out.

    There's nothing on their site about how to do this but I heard it will be posted soon. There supposed to be some software involved too and I don't see any software by them....

    http://www.pellico.com

    This'll be great considering the price of the Palm VIIx is soooo low these days. Palms wireless service still needs improving but if you have coverage, this might be worth a look. It's gotta be cheaper than the $400+ i705 just because the VIIx goes for around $100 and their product is only $40.

  27. I been using one for a month...this is news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been syncing Outlook on my PeeCee with an AmbiCom BT combo CF/PCCard and my Palm 505 for a month. And just got my Apple Dlink USB BT device so now I sync also with my G4 Powerbook and Plam Desktop under OSX as of Saturday.

    Typical crappy slashdot. Reject real news like the benchmark that shows Althon XPs running at 667Mhz less than the new P4 2+Ghz benchmarks about the same in performance, yet publish someone's discovery of a product that has been out for a month as new. No wonder they want to to start paying for this tripe--they can't give it away.

  28. SD slot and memory cards by jwr · · Score: 1

    A good question to ask yourself is why would you want to
    give up that SD slot just for BlueTooth connectivity.

    I use SD memory cards in my Palm m500 all of the time,
    removing them just to insert a bluetooth module would
    be too much of a hassle for it to be actually useful.

    I think I'll try TDK's BlueM -- it piggybacks on the Palm,
    plugging into the expansion port, leaving the SD slot
    free for memory cards.

    1. Re:SD slot and memory cards by dh5fbr · · Score: 1

      :-) What about the Handera 330, which takes a microdrive into the CF slot for MBs of memory needs and then the Blue Tooth for connectivity.

  29. Pricing by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

    $129 in the US
    $131 in the UK

    Hmmmmmmmm interesting use of an exchange rate there :(

    I know they often swap the $ for a £, which is a shame already, but increasing it as well?

    1. Re:Pricing by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      I did, of course, mean £131 UKP in the UK (not dollars). Fancy putting both symbols right next to each other.

    2. Re:Pricing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But if a can of coke cost $1 USD and 1 GBP, then having something worth $129 USD and 131GBP then there's no problem.


      I learnt this fast when travelling, you can't do the Exchange rate thing when looking at local markets, everything pretty much comes out equal when you take into account the salaries and price of living.

  30. Re: Ericsson had had a BT handsfree for a while no by Kris_J · · Score: 2
    I bought the limited edition Bluetooth kit for my Ericsson T28 about a year ago. It's nice except that it's too easy to knock the butt-plug off the end of the phone if you just, say, toss it in a jeans pocket. I've had to take an old glasses case and cut a hole for the antenna.

    It works well, but it's a lot to carry around compared to any given small mobile phone -- and keeping two devices charged just to use my mobile phone (which can go for days without being used) is a little on the annoying side. I'm sure if I used my mobile more I'd also use the handsfree kit. Also, winter is just about to arrive so I'll be waering a jacket with more carrying capacity.

    It's a shame that I can't use it with my corded MP3 handsfree kit. And it's also a shame that there hasn't been a Bluetooth solution for my TRGpro released yet. At least, not last time I checked.