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Copyright [CBDTPA] Bill Universally Rejected

smcavoy writes " Globe Technology is carrying a article about the CBDTPA. "We haven't received one e-mail in support of the Hollings bill," said Judiciary Committee spokeswoman Mimi Devlin. "It seems like there's a groundswell of support from regular users." I wonder if the technology industry was pro CBDTPA, would we be hearing as many bad things about it, in the press?"

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  1. Information by BrianGa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Information on the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act itself is available here.

  2. Woohoo! by 11thangel · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess all those people from my CS classes that were mailbombing congress with "SCREW THE CBDTPA" weren't JUST trolls...

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  3. Press control overstated by clarkgoble · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The control that media conglomerates have on the press is vastly overstated. Generally I think the press does an adequate job. The superficiality of the press' reporting is due more to the time constraints we, the readers, put them under. You try to gather a huge amount of interviews and information in a few hours. I'm not saying the press is fully accurate, but the problem is that accuracy takes time. By the time that thoughtful analysis can be done, most people no longer care. Further if the press tends towards sensationalism (including in these copyright issues) it is because we the readers tend to go for that angle more.

    i.e. quit the gripping about the press only reporting what MS or so forth want.

    1. Re:Press control overstated by Sheetrock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't recall the media covering the DMCA, and that was pretty damn sensational. I know that they dumb it down quite a bit because they think we're all stupid in America, and toss in lots of news about the music and movie industries and hype issues for the same reason, but they've definitely dropped the ball rather conveniently on issues at times that would paint their owners in a bad light.

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    2. Re:Press control overstated by Sarcasmooo! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would tend to disagree.

      The press has always been responsible for it's own failure or success. You can't expect people to regulate it, or steer it in the right direction, when people can only possibly learn of it's misdeeds and mistakes through *gasp*, THE PRESS! The media dips into sensationalism because it allows itself to be driven by profit and whatever it's ratings are, they're NEVER enough. Not ALL people are going to care about what's on the news, it's as simple as that. You can't ruin the news trying to cater to idiots who don't care what's going on outside their small world, and yet, that's exactly what's happened. Sept. 11th should've been a wake up call for the media, as well. I don't know how people could stand for that kind of coverage. Anyone who's watched serious news like the BBC might agree. It was no less than 20 minutes after the planes hit, that NBC had created a 'music video' for the tragedy, with slides of fire, explosions, and people covered in ash flying across the screen as corny, dramatic music played in the background. Despite everything that was happening, it still made me want to turn off the television.

      And I think a lot of people are sick and jaded by the nature of our news media, but it's hard to say if anyone will ever know how big this problem is because, again, they'd have to hear about it from the news media.

    3. Re:Press control overstated by jafac · · Score: 4, Interesting

      IIRC, NBC was just copying off of the VERY successful model CNN pioneered for the Gulf War. Don't you remember the Gulf War? The event that propelled CNN to it's skyrocketing success? They had their own Gulf War logo, their own Gulf War theme song - da works. Prior to the Gulf War, CNN was really not taken very seriously as a news organization at all. But the fact that people could turn to them 24 hours a day for the latest coverage, and the fact that they had guys IN Baghdad the night the bombing started, I think were the real reasons CNN became so popular. But I guess when copying success, they'd rather focus on the logos and theme songs. Quite pathetic, really.

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  4. Never give up by tenman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is a great day in the US. Not that our technology legislation is that much to be proud of, but today is a great day.

  5. As much as I'd like the CBDTPA go down in flames.. by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd much more like to see Hollings' career go down in flames. Can concerned citizens still buy those mud-slinging political commercials right before an election? Or did they ban that in the last campaign finance reform package? I think the people of South Carolina need to be told that their guy is trying to make sure they'll never be able to tape another TV show or burn another mix CD for their car.

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  6. Just Remember - they'll keep on coming. by vkg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember the Clipper Chip? Encryption export restrictions? The DCMA? The SSSCA?

    The drive to regulate the internet and new technology in general, to force it back into the old way of doing things, isn't going away.

    Even if we beat this one, there will always be another. Don't get complacent.

    1. Re:Just Remember - they'll keep on coming. by Picass0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if we beat this one, there will always be another. Don't get complacent.

      I can't help but notice the hammer keeps getting bigger.

      I keep feeling like there's a party and it's about to end.

    2. Re:Just Remember - they'll keep on coming. by curunir · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe we should push for new laws that explicitly allow certain things. It's harder to overturn an existing law than to pass a new one.

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    3. Re:Just Remember - they'll keep on coming. by pagsz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is difficult on a couple of fronts. First, a law that has specific allotments would likely have trouble as technology evolveds, and as new technologies are introduced. Second, the media companies are looking for a law that blocks circumvention tools, not the actual act itself (as I understand it, I could be wrong). The media cartel and puppets (like Hollings) would surely find a way to slip it by existing laws.

      In my opinion, no new law is needed in the first place. Piracy is already illegal, why do we need a law that bans the tools? It's like banning guns or cars because they could be used to kill.

      What the media companies really need to do to protect their profit margins is offer the public something that pirated media canot . . . selection, quality, security (in relation to viruses, etc), preferably all three. Unfortunately, this is not likely. As is the case with MS, the media companies are better at litigation than innovation. It's also cheaper to buy legislation to protect your profit margin than it is to develop better quality.

      Now, for the more optmistic part of the rant . . .
      Thankfully, the American public (and technology industry) aren't stupid enough to allow a crap bill like this to pass. People aren't generally willig to give up their rights so some lawyer can fill his pocket. And as the bill puts the tech indusry's profit margin in danger, they naturally moved to kill it. Thankfully, the interest of the big tech companies is similar to the average consume r. . . to allow general-purpose computing to continue uninterupted by the idiocy of the media companies

      Now, back to pessimism . . .
      What we need to watch out for now are the seemingly "safer" bills that will follow. Having been defeated (or so it would seem) in the attempt to get it all at once, the media companies (and said puppets) will try again in increments.

      If this comment makes sense in any way, I apologize. It was not my intention,

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    4. Re:Just Remember - they'll keep on coming. by budgenator · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think that in a sense we are protected by the media companies' refusal to settle for anything less than absolute control These companies are dominated by laywers and if there is anything that lawyers had better be able to do well it's negotiate. They'll give you a minor point here and there, stall it wear you down then take back what they gave you a while ago. This ain't no fat lady singing here it's just a warm-up, this hasn't got anything to do with piracy, it's about controlling All of the distribution channels

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  7. Wow. I feel like lobbying actually worked. by petree · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I always have wondered about the actual effect that talking/writing to your representitives has had. It seems like, at least in this case, the decision against it was based almost entirely around citizen outrage. Although there was not the support from the technology sector that would be needed, it feels good to know that there is some balance of power that is not in favor entirely of the RIAA/MPAA. Mmmm...makes me feel all fuzzy inside to know that -all- my rights are not determined by corporate interests.

    1. Re:Wow. I feel like lobbying actually worked. by blibbleblobble · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A great victory for consumers. Congress held an inquiry, got swamped by all of our* emails opposing it, and figured that Mickey Mouse Hollings was nuts.

      Fair enough, we could have told them that for free. Oh wait, we did! Well done.

      Best part, Hollings can't understand why the tecchie companies won't cooperate with him. "please write me a DRM system for free" he asks, and all he gets back in return are attempted beatings with a clue-stick.

      *Your emails, not mine. Pity non-americans can't bug congressmen for this stuff that'll be applied worldwide, but we can go through the EFF.

    2. Re:Wow. I feel like lobbying actually worked. by interiot · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Perhaps not. If you look at the history of the Children's Internet Protection Act... it or variants of it were submited to Congress at least 9 times over the course of 2.5 years, until it was finally passed as a rider on an appropriations bill.

      Also, there's the tactic of submitting a really extreme bill, which gets rejected, and then submitting a bill that's only moderately extreme, so senators are swayed by thinking "this one isn't so bad".

      This will be back. Mark my words.

  8. Campaign Donations vs. Votes by spookysuicide · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At the end of the day, Campaign Donations from media companies like Disney and Universal only go so far. If enough voters are against something, elected representatives tend to vote against it as well. I would urge people to keep writing letters in protest of the bill, as they do seem to make a difference.

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  9. This is just a heads up. . . by czardonic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    . . .to Hollywood to step up the "donations".

    Seriously. Since when do politicians listen to their constituents over deep pocketed industry types? I declare rumors of this bill's demise to be greatly exagerated.

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    1. Re:This is just a heads up. . . by letxa2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Seriously. Since when do politicians listen to their constituents over deep pocketed industry types? I declare rumors of this bill's demise to be greatly exagerated.

      You need to understand that politicians listen to deep-pocketed industry types because they give them lots of money so they can fund their reelection campaign. All the industry blood money in the world isn't going to help their campaign one single bit if 50% (+1) of their constituents is pissed off at them.

      So politicians will only be swayed by the almighty buck as long as they can get away with it without perceiving a threat from the voting public. When the public speaks loudly, it speaks much louder than all the campaign contributions that could possibly be forthcoming.

      Don't give up. We, the people, have power. The problem is that we often don't excercise it and, in that void, corporate interests take over. If it's the Corporate States of America it's because we the people are not doing OUR job.

    2. Re:This is just a heads up. . . by letxa2000 · · Score: 3, Informative
      And you need to understand that collecting that money is the primary goal of these politicians. They will always follow the money. History has shown that politicians rarely get punished for this kind of behavior.

      Right, because we the people rarely care enough. When they see a "groundswell" of response from the public they get worried that this is not one of those cases and that they will get punished.

      And why be a politician in the first place if you can't cash in your influence? To serve the people? Don't make me laugh.

      Most politicians, from what I have seen, are more interested in power than money. They'd rather "be there" for another term than cash in on a few million now. They like being wined and dined and feeling important. Not that they don't cash in, but I think most of them are in it for the long haul and aren't going to do something that nets them a few dollars today and costs them the election next time around.

      In monetary terms, the "future value" of the office is worth more than the "present value" of the RIAA's campaign contributions.

      Bottom line: it is worth the risk to take the money and screw the voters. If the only way to stay in office is to defend the interests of voters over the interests of deep pocketed contributors (and sacrifice those contributions) what's the point of being in office? If it comes to that, they'll just call in their favors and get a cushy consulting or lobbyist job.

      This, and many other examples, refutes that. You may be cynical enough to believe all they want to do is line their pockets. And I'm not saying that doesn't happen. But I strongly believe that what most of them want is another term. If they can do that AND get rich at the same time, they're even happier. But given the choice between campaign dollars and a pissed off public that'll get them evicted next election, they'll try to keep the public happy.

      Even if what they're after is money, they can't achieve that goal if we vote them out of office.

  10. Whew! by return+42 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Well, that's a relief. Won't have to worry about it now. Nosirree, it's dead, dead, dead. We can all relax.

    I hope no one here is dumb enough to hold this attitude until it really is dead...

  11. My Faith restored in Democracy by Matey-O · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For all the huffing and puffing I hear about Special Interest Groups, money changing hands, corruption, and the like, occasionally something Really Important comes up that renews my faith in our Government of Checks and Balances.

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    1. Re:My Faith restored in Democracy by gwernol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For all the huffing and puffing I hear about Special Interest Groups, money changing hands, corruption, and the like, occasionally something Really Important comes up that renews my faith in our Government of Checks and Balances.

      What exactly do you think a Special Interest Group is? Its a group of people who see an issue that they consider Really Important and come together to lobby hard about it. What exactly do you think the geek community (for want of a better term) has done over the Hollings Bill? Mass lobbying is a well used and effective form of Special Interest Group organization.

      Special Interest Groups are an inevitable and proper part of any democratic system. The systems without Special Interest Groups are those where most people have no say over how they are governed.

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  12. The CE Industry by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hey the Consumer Electronics industry and the software industry isn't against DRM and copy protection per se. They just don't want to have the method dictated by the government.

    Remember MS received a patent on a DRM OS. They will use that to court everybody who wants to restrict information access, and use it internally to sell/control their own software.

  13. Yes, but... by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Public opinion doesn't stop autocrats from making repugnant decisions (look at Nixon-Reagan's drug policies for historical perspective). These politicians have already been paid by their investors (RIAA, etc...) to manufacture their product (:%s/SSSCA/nom de jour/), so this bill will become law soon and a majority of Americans--the majority whose opinions match the opinions of their favorite television news personality--will come to believe it is a Good Thing®.

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  14. Trying to make it work... by Binky+The+Oracle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:

    "They seem satisfied to try to attack it in the press rather than trying to make it work," said Sen. Hollings spokesman Andy Davis.

    Of course they didn't "try to make it work." Why would any tech company risk being associated with stripping the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens. I think the tech companies have recognized that the media conglomerates are going to get their way no matter what. Why lend credibility to the "solution" by participating in a sham process?

    Media companies did learn a valuable lesson with DiVX: don't trust your interests to consumer pressures - it's far more effective to buy legislation instead.

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    1. Re:Trying to make it work... by JordanH · · Score: 3, Insightful
      • Why would any tech company risk being associated with stripping the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens.

      I don't think that tech companies are so terribly concerned with stripping the constitutional rights of US citizens as they are with stripping their products of functionality.

      That's why Intel was so down on this. They're smart enough to see that this bill would turn PCs into fancy DVD/CD players. They're not in that business, they're in the computer business and want to sell general purpose computers, which implies all those nasty things like editing, copying, transferring, communicating and other functionality that would be lobotomized by the provisions of this bill.

      It's not just the groundswell of public opinion against this that saves the day, but the opposition of the whole tech industry (I guess maybe Sony might be the exception), which is far larger than the entertainment industry, that (hopefully) spells doom for this bill.

  15. Do something by MxTxL · · Score: 4, Informative

    Be sure to check out the site referenced in the article. They helped the effort, and apparently want to do more.

  16. No idea on our rights!?!?! by Arethan · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Until you have a positive assertion of what consumers' rights are, that debate is left in the hands of media companies' lawyers," said Mr. Krauss, who founded Excite, the now-defunct on-line portal.

    Excuse me, but last time I checked, my rights were inalienable and included everything that I didn't willingly give up for the good of society. It has nothing to do with what lawyers have deemed acceptable for me to have. If your business sense is as acute as your legal sense, it's no wonder your portal is now "defunct".
  17. Interesting... by DickPhallus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I found this blurb interesting

    Media firms could also take a page from the antipiracy playbook of software companies, who concentrate on shutting down large, commercial piracy operations rather than trying to control individual users, he said.

    I would wager that it would be easier to buy a bill than it would be stop some companies like Kaaza or Morpheus...

    Or an even better idea... make digital music cheaper and more usuable.

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  18. This is amusing. by MongooseCN · · Score: 5, Funny

    "They seem satisfied to try to attack it in the press rather than trying to make it work," said Sen. Hollings spokesman Andy Davis.

    What did they expect?

    Hollings: I'd like to pass a bill that will take away all your rights to using digital media.
    Consumers: Hmm how about just some of our rights?
    Hollings: Will taking a way 2/3 of your civil rights be good?
    Consumers: Ok that works for us.

  19. Re:Don't stop the lobbying! by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sen. Leahy, chair of the Judiciary Committee, came down with an attack of good sense, and said that he won't let it out of committee.

    It's dead... for this session at least, but you're right, we need to stay vigilant.

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  20. He is just determined to not get it by drew_kime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Technology firms did not want to testify in the hearing, did not offer input while the bill was being drafted, and have offered plenty of criticism but little helpful suggestions since, a Hollings aide said.

    "They seem satisfied to try to attack it in the press rather than trying to make it work," said Sen. Hollings spokesman Andy Davis.


    How much evidence does he need that we don't want it to work? It is a law designed to prevent people from engaging in legal activities, at the sole discretion of corporate interests with no oversight. That's why no, we're most definitely not trying to make it work.

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  21. Re:As much as I'd like the CBDTPA go down in flame by JordanH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is Hollings up for reelection in November? If so, then the CFR that just passed is not an issue. The congressmen conveniently exempted the upcoming election from the provisions of the bill.

    If he's up in a subsequent election, you can still give to Hollings' opponent, that's "hard money" which had the contribution limits raised by CFR, who may or may not run mud-slinging political commercials.

    Unfortunately, you won't be able to run issue ads, with or without mud-slinging, about how absurd this bill is right before the election. No, that particular type of free speech has been elminitated by CFR. You can't speak your own mind on issues with media ads right before an election, no, you have to give to a candidate to do it for you.

    There's hope that CFR won't stand Judicial review.

    Hmmm... I wonder if I don't see a loophole. You could run as a third party candidate, on the ballet or not, and run ads that were essentially issue ads slinging all the mud you wanted. All done with "hard money".

    These silly soft money/hard money rules are not going to get the money out of politics, it's just going to move it around.

  22. Quote of the Day: by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    "[Tech firms] seem satisfied to try to attack it in the press rather than trying to make it [CBDTPA] work," said Sen. Hollings spokesman Andy Davis.

    <FLASHBACK>

    Imaginary interview with Hollings and Davis:

    Hollings: It's like the time we tried to legislate that pi=3, and these stupid tech forms didn't want to make it work! They kept doggedly insisting that it was this long number, like 3.14159something, and that it couldn't be expressed as a rational number!

    Davis: Yeah, I mean, they wouldn't even compromise on the issue - during Congressional testimony, we had Andy Grove of Intel on the stand, and we offered him "3.14?" He said, "no, it's pi" "22/7?" "No, pi is a transcendental number." Utterly ridiculous. As if good Christians should have to put up with this sort of new age Transcendentalist movement. Maybe in California, but not in South Carolina, by gum!

    Hollings: And the engineers were worse than the mathematicians. We got letters from all these so-called rational thinkers tryin' to convince us that simple things like the wheel and the suspension bridge weren't based on rational numbers! Can't they see that they're the ones being irrational about this?

    Davis: There's just no negotiating with technology people. They don't want to make it work, they don't even want to try to make it work. Why won't they even try to see things from our point of view? Hollings: So we're moving ahead with the legislation. They kept trying to get us to move from 3 to 3.14whatever? We subtracted double than their beloved 0.14159265whatever, and came up with 2.718281828. They can have pi=2.718 or nothing at all!

    Davis: They're bluffing when they say math won't work with our proposal. Maybe it'll just make a few things harder for them in the short term, but when the law makes pi=2.718, they'll have to innovate in order to build anything!

    Hollings: Yeah! Now we'll see who really knows how to promote engineering and mathematical innovation our children's schools!

    </FLASHBACK>

    1. Re:Quote of the Day: by alcmena · · Score: 3, Funny

      Looks like Alabama and Indiana beat you to it. :)

    2. Re:Quote of the Day: by connorbd · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't remember a few of the particulars, but the short form of the story goes something like this: Late 19th or early 20th century, a mathematical crank gets a bill introduced into the Indiana state legislature setting pi to 3 with the idea that it's being offered "for the good of the Indiana educational system". Not too many people are really paying attention to the bill, which gets routed in some fairly random directions (IIRC a subcommittee on canal construction was involved for no particularly good reason) and the bill was ultimately either tabled or simply abandoned because nobody really cared.

      Like I said, I'm a little hazy on the details (especially the exact date) but the bill never actually became law.

      /Brian

  23. We should go on the offensive by dcavanaugh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now that our complaining has killed SSSCA and scored a direct hit on CBDTPA, we should go after Hollings by encouraging the geeks of South Carolina to hold him accountable for these bills in every public forum they can find. If he is voted out of the Senate, then other potential Disney appointees will realize that acting as an errand boy for the entertainment industry is not without risk. Turning him into a national laughingstock is amusing, but the only people who can make him go away are the people who put him there: the voters of South Carolina.

    According to opensecrets.org he was elected in 1998, which means the next election is 2004. Is it mere coincidence or is the midpoint of a Senate term the ideal time to deal with the sleaziest bills that PAC money can buy?

    I find it really odd that this guy is a Democrat. I'm a Republican, and it's usually my guys who specialize in catering to anti-consumer interests like this. The Democrats ususally waste money on social programs and tax the hell out of the middle class to pay for it. He really should make up his mind: either be sleazy or counterproductive; it's not good to be both.

  24. Text of the CBDTPA (S.2048) by 0nion · · Score: 3, Informative
  25. Obviously support should matter... by SmileyBen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think things really have gone out of perspective. The thing that really needs to be remembered in all of this, is the fact that these bills really shouldn't be allowed to happen without support. The thing about copyright is that we have it because, believe it or not, people supposedly want it.

    Essentially, copyright is there to protect society from freeloaders - of course people that /really/ like some pop group / film maker / etc. will pay in an attempt to make sure they make more of their product, but society has agreed that it shouldn't fall to the obsessed few, but instead anyone who gains enjoyment from this sort of thing should contribute - in just the same way everyone should have to pay for trains, not just those that /really/ believe in mass-transport.

    The thing that is forgotten, however, is that this happens because society wants it. The moment the population decides that the cost / benefit proposition isn't good enough, they should be able to get rid of these laws. Hence, if people /really/ want to download music for free, and nobody is willing to pay for it, society should stop forcing people to. Perhaps some people will stop making music, but, as I say, there isn't some God-given right for them to do this for a living if society doesn't value it enough.

    So basically, whilst many things obviously aren't put to the vote, since copyright can only be defended on the basis that if people really think about it they support it, if people really don't it can't be defended. So if people are really against this sort of bill, it would be ridiculous to pass it.

    1. Re:Obviously support should matter... by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, copyright exists to ultimately enrich the public domain. Strange quasi-religous notions about the sinfulness of "getting something for nothing" really have nothing do with it.

      The government granted monopoly is only a means to achieve that end. No one is entitled to make money off of "intellecutal property".

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  26. It's a digital world by jafac · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And who jumped on the bandwagon in a big way before any other industry? The music industry. When they converted everything from LP to CD. They had consumers throw out all their old equipment and music collections - and what the consumers got in return was, higher quality audio (of course, some audiophiles debate that. For the sake of argument, fuck them).
    What did the music industry get out of "going digital"? Remarkably lower production and manufacturing and shipping costs. Cheap digital sound processing equipment. Cheap razzle-dazzle digital effects processing. High quality mastering equipment, cheap. Easy to use production tools (cheaper studio labor). Cha Ching! this went right into the record companies' profits.

    However, they squeezed out the digital toothpaste, and once they realized that this allows people to make infinite perfect digital copies, they decided they maybe didn't want digital technology after all.

    RIAA-
    I'll tell you what. Switch back to vinyl. 'k? Really. It'll kill off the music pirates once and for all (shhhh! don't TELL them!!). I know that you lose all those nice benefits that the computer industry gave you with the commoditization of digital technology - but it will also save you from the ugly side effects of the commoditization of digital technology! Gasp! Everyone now has tools on their desktops to make infinite perfect digital copies at no cost!!

    Methinks you guys should have gone and taken a few computer classes before you bought into this whole "digital technology" thing.

    *snicker*

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  27. Those Wacky Corporate Sectors! by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Technology firms did not want to testify in the hearing, did not offer input while the bill was being drafted, and have offered plenty of criticism but little helpful suggestions since, a Hollings aide said.

    Can you blame them? The CBDTPA is really just like a gigantic unfunded mandate laid at the doorstep of the tech community with a note tied around it reading "Fix this for us and we'll let you live."

    Bear in mind how much effort it would take to DRM-safe all the computer equipment sold in the country, if not world. Proposed DRM standards would spring up from the ground like swarms of rabid fruitbats, and whenever equipment designed for these DRM systems barfed on legally purchased media, it would be the *tech* sector that gets stuck with the blame, not the *media* sector.

    The media sector tried to save itself money by drafting a bill to prevent piracy and whatnot, and save their income. No surprise there.

    Faced with the expense of all of this new DRM R&D, implementation, and fielding of complaints, the tech sector chose to fight it rather than allow it to pass, and save their income.

    This is probably one of the *few* things that defeated the bill: that all large corporations, not just the media hegemony, are typically greedy and lazy, in that order; I don't believe that grassroots action had anything to do with it.

    The bill will come back. It was the SSS-whatever, it became the CBDTPA, and it will metamorph into something else as long as the Senator From Disney is in office. In the meantime, the best thing we can do to the media companies' war chests is not fill them.

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  28. It's *not* dead, Jim! by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's great that Congress is getting all these comments against the CBDTPA, but anyone who thinks it's dead is terribly naive. It won't be officially dead until the end of the Congressional term, and it can and probably will be reintorduced next year. The absolute worst thing we can do is to stop now. If we do, our opposition will soon be forgotten, and the bill will get pushed through.

    The best way to put this into perspective is to realize that we do have the power to raise awareness and get people's attention. This doesn't mean we've won. Far from it. It just means that the big media companies and their allies in Congress know we're here, and they'll now have to counter that. Does anyone honestly think that Jack Valenti will call up his buddy Fritz Hollings and say, "Fritz, we honestly didn't know that people would get so riled up over this. Look, we don't want to irritate our customers, so let's just pull this bill." Hell no! If they're talking about anything, they're discussing ways to put a positive spin on this monstrosity.

    Now is not the time to get complacent. That will doom us more than anything else. Keep sending those letters, making those phone calls, and talking with friends and colleagues. If we can get their attention by doing what we've done so far, we can do much more if we take this to the next level.

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  29. Dont let down your guard by Monkelectric · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Thats what they want! They *never ever* expected this bill to pass. This is merely mis-direction so they can get what they want when no one is looking. Now we have to start all over -- find out what new bill is evil -- get the word out again. This is classic strategic manuvering. *Don't fall for it*

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  30. Hollings must go. by Rev+Snow · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The only way a special interest group gets respect in Washington is to make a difference in elections. It's not enough to stop this bill. We must now defeat Hollings in his next election, making it clear that the SSSCA is the reason why. There need to be press stories in November 2004 about the important "geek lobby" that defeated Hollings, and how important it is that politicians consider their interests.

    That means become single-issue voters and supporters. Who here will pledge $2000 of hard money contributions to any candidate who opposes Hollings? Or the max you can afford? Cause that's what it will really take to change things. And it needs to be done even if that candidate has other positions you disagree with.

  31. A new ally...and exposure for our side by SomeoneYouDontKnow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to this NEWS.COM article, Gateway is going to be voicing its opposition to the CBDTPA. The best part is that they're going to begin airing a national TV spot on the topic of downloading and burning music. Doesn't look like it's going to directly reference the bill, but people will doubtless see it, and it will prime them for exposure to information about what's going on. I'd recommend that everyone here watch for the ad and see if it can be used as a reference when writing letters to newspapers or your Congressional reps.

    Definitely a good thing here.

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  32. Enumerated rights is the wrong approach by jp93023 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I think the DigitalConsumer.org movement is generally a good thing, but this:
    "For example, the group has called for a law that would specifically spell out consumers' "fair use" rights, such as the right to record TV shows for later viewing, or transfer a CD to a portable MP3 player."
    is the wrong approach. Asking for a law that enumerates specific rights leads to the those being the only rights. We should follow the pattern of the constitution and enumerate a specific, restrictive set of rights for content holders, then specifically state that all rights not enumerated for the copyright holders belong to the people.
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  33. We Did Try to Work with Hollings by llywrch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He received numerous phone calls, emails & letters from informed computer users & professionals stating in careful detail why this was a bad bill.

    And how did the esteemed senator respond? ``You're not one of my constituents, so I won't listen to you."

    BTW, why would someone moderate the parent comment ``Flamebait"? Sheesh!

    Geoff

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  34. Re:MP3 Revolution is Still Vulnerable by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    >> this may not be a popular view here,
    >> but i dont believe that it is anyones
    >> right to download copyrighted material for free

    You do precisely that anytime you tune into a commercially supported television or radio signal.

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  35. Boxer and Feinstein are 0wned. by MsGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting
    (I also haven't heard anything really bad about Senator Boxer. Again, the correlation isn't perfect.)

    And I will vote for Pigasus before I'll vote for Feinstein again.

    Senator Boxer is thoroughly 0wned by Hollywood. She's just as bad as Feinstein.

    Much as I don't like Republicans and much as I do like women in the Capitol I'm going to vote Libertarian next Senatorial elections. Throw these sellouts to the MPAA and RIAA out the fsckin' door. See ya...

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  36. But who will laugh last? by Roland+Walter+Dutton · · Score: 5, Informative

    That is apparently uncomfortably close to the truth. Apparently the CBDTPA is mainly intended as a stalking horse. Its proponents don't seriously hope it to pass in anything like its current form, much as they would love if it did. It seems that what they're really aiming for at present is legislation specifically to enforce their plans for digital TV; after their opening demands have been rejected, they'll barter down to that. The resulting legislation will then be praised as the product of compromise and consensus. Both sides will claim a partial victory. And the studios will have exactly what they were hoping to get. Whenever they want some more, they'll simply repeat the process. Eventually it will become politically feasible to pass something like the current CBDTPA, since it will be possible to plausibly claim that it would only tidy up all the piecemeal copy-protection acts and amendments that by then will already be law.

  37. digitalconsumer.org by Cardhore · · Score: 3, Informative

    DigitalConsumer.org is doing something about it. We are advocating a Consumer Technology Bill of Rights that will positively assert a consumer's rights to fair use. The Bill of Rights will guarantee your ability to use your own digital media in the way that you choose. With the support of consumers, we are working to have the Bill of Rights passed into law. Our proposed Bill has already gained support from numerous consumers as well as prominent executives and venture capitalists, but there's a lot more that we need to do in order to let Washington know that this is important.

  38. Beefed-up Right of First Sale the first step... by MsGeek · · Score: 3, Insightful
    We need some sort of nice definte laws stating that certain rights may not be restricted. This was the idea behind the Bill of Rights; define certain rights that must not be restricted, and that gives the Judical system a way to keep the congress in check, basically, the judges say, "Nope, that's unconstitutional" and suddenly a new law is absolutly dead. It would be nice to have some sort of law that could define what rights a person has to digital/media content, which cannot be restricted. That way, the judges have a real easy yard stick to measure new laws by. The judges would be able to say, "nope, that violates the digital bill of rights" And no matter how much money had gone into congress to pass the law it would be taken out and shot.

    I think that codifying the concept of "Right of First Sale" into law would be a good start. Note that the Authors Guild is raising a stink over Amazon's sale of used books. However, they are legally standing on quicksand because US law states that once you buy a book you are free to do whatever you want with it. That's the law, folks! Stomp your feet and whine all you want, you can't do anything about it.

    A universal Right of First Sale would invalidate EULAs. In the state of California, you are now free to sell software that came bundled with your PC thanks to a sensible appelate judge who applied the Right of First Sale to software. The RIAA and MPAA would probably love to stop you from selling your used CDs and used DVDs, but there again is that pesky Right of First Sale. It is (still last I checked) legal to buy and sell used DVDs and CDs.

    Universalizing Right of First Sale would also put a monkey wrench into attempts to criminalize the use of DeCSS to play DVDs on Linux. Hey, you bought that DVD...you have a right to play it on any OS you choose.

    Same with region coding. You bought a DVD from a European or Japanese store over the Internet? Bought it fair and square? You didn't steal it? Good. You have the right to do with it what you will. Including hacking your DVD player to accommodate it.

    I have no illusions that this will ever happen. But this is one way of preserving the rights we already have. The doctrine is already on the books. Let's encourage its application to new technology.

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  39. Re:In other news... by RadioheadKid · · Score: 3, Funny

    "We haven't received one e-mail in support of the Hollings bill,...
    ...well except for this one from this guy named Three-one-three-three-t-three h-four-x-zero-r saying that we have been r-zero-zero-three-d, not sure what he meant by that" said Judiciary Committee spokeswoman Mimi Devlin.

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  40. Release: Copyright Protection Law by Elias+Israel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
    2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
    Washington DC 20037

    World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org

    For release: April 10, 2002
    For additional information:
    George Getz, Press Secretary
    Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222
    E-Mail: pressreleases@hq.LP.org

    New copyright protection bill would turn government into entertainment 'rent-a-cop'

    WASHINGTON, DC -- The Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act (CBDTPA), a bill that would supposedly reduce digital piracy, should be rejected by Congress because it would turn the government into a "rent-a-cop" for the entertainment industry, the Libertarian Party said today.

    "The Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act will not only inconvenience consumers and throw roadblocks in the way of new technology, it will vastly expand the power of the government," warned the party's executive director, Steve Dasbach.

    "While the federal government may have a legitimate role in protecting copyrighted material, that role does not extend to acting as a technology rent-a-cop to protect the profits of huge entertainment corporations like Disney, Sony, and DreamWorks."

    Last week, Senator Ernest F. Hollings (D-SC) filed S-2048, the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act.

    The bill would make it a federal crime -- punishable by five years in jail and a $500,000 fine -- to sell software or hardware that does not contain shielding measures that make it impossible to play or copy protected materials like songs, movies, or TV shows.

    The bill's provisions would apply to computers, video-editing software, CD players, VCRs, MP3 players and software, DVD players, and televisions, among others. The copyright-protection technology would be determined either by manufacturers and entertainment companies, or mandated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).

    The CBDTPA is allegedly designed to stop digital piracy, which has become an increasing problem now that everything from songs to movies are in digital form, and downloadable from the Internet.

    But the CBDTPA goes far beyond any reasonable role the government might have in protecting copyrighted works, said Dasbach.

    "According to the Constitution, the federal government has the power to 'promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive rights to their respective writings and discoveries,'" he noted. "In other words, Congress can grant exclusive copyrights, which entertainers can defend, as necessary, by filing copyright infringement lawsuits.

    "The CBDTPA, by contrast, gets the federal government involved in the production of everything from televisions to computers, and software programs to operating systems. And, instead of just targeting criminals who illegally steal copyrighted materials, it treats every consumer as a potential digital pirate -- while turning federal bureaucrats into the Digital Police."

    Further, said Dasbach, the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act would:

    • Inconvenience consumers who want to use copyrighted materials they legitimately purchased.

      "The bill would make it impossible for you to turn a CD you purchased into MP3 songs to play on your computer," he said. "It guts the traditional notion of 'fair use,' which allows consumers non-commercial reproduction rights."

    • Act as an expensive form of "corporate welfare."

      "Federally mandated copyright-protection technology will not only drive up the cost of computers, DVD players, and VCRs, it may force consumers to purchase multiple copies of movies and albums -- pouring billions of extra dollars into the pockets of wealthy conglomerates," he said.

    • Make "open-access" operating systems like Linux illegal. Linux's source code is freely available, making it impossible to guarantee the secrecy of the copy-protection scheme, as required by the CBDTPA.

      "The bill is a dream come true for Bill Gates, because it could make it illegal to own one of the most successful operating system competitors to Microsoft Windows," he said. "The result would be to stifle competition in the computer industry."

    In short, the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act is an overly broad, overly rigid, and overly intrusive response to the problem of digital piracy, said Dasbach.

    "Digital piracy is a real dilemma, and the entertainment industry has a real challenge ahead of it -- to figure out how to make a profit and protect artists in a digital age," he said. "But the solution is not to pass the CBDTPA, which would turn the federal government into the omnipresent technology police, and treat every consumer like a criminal."

  41. What Does He Mean "No Helpful Suggestions"? by Steve+B · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Technology firms did not want to testify in the hearing, did not offer input while the bill was being drafted, and have offered plenty of criticism but little helpful suggestions since, a Hollings aide said.

    Why, I offered several helpful suggestions in my letters to my senators:

    I suggested that protections for fair use rights be written into the bill (appending a copy of the Digital Consumer Bill of Rights as a proposed model), and that the penalties for infringing those rights be made equivalent to those for copyright violation.

    I suggested that, to insure that the new standard did not unduly impair independent publishing, the requirements for the final standard would have to include a complete lack of patent, copyright, or trade secret encumbrances.

    I think I forgot to suggest that CPR teams be dispatched to watch Jack Valenti, Hilary Rosen, and Bill Gates before the new version of the bill was released for public comment. I can only hope that one of the staffers realized this necessity in time.

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  42. Re: Elections this year? by Stephen+VanDahm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hollings was last relected in 1998, which means that he won't be up for reelection again until 2004. I think the other Senate seat is up for grabs in the upcoming election, since Thurmond is retiring.

    Steve

  43. Regular Users!?!? by jackal! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "It seems like there's a groundswell of support from regular users."

    WTF? We're not taxpayers, we're not citizens, we're not people, we're 'users'!?!?! That's like one step from dropping all pretense and calling us 'consumers'. Even though this is good news, that one phrase sends shivers of terror down my spine.

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  44. From the What-you-do-can-actually-matter dept: by QuietRiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > I always have wondered about the actual effect that talking/writing to your representitives has had. It seems like, at least in this case, the decision against it was based almost entirely around citizen outrage. ... [petree:#3319491]

    This is a real demonstration of the power that large group of people, living in a democratic society, can actually impart on their government. We all know it doesn't happen that often. We've all seen scary bills come up - and pass, again and again. Just like that. Done. New law. More restrictions. Your life is now different. More words in the books to prevent what you can do - as a citizen - legally. Forced into submission. Why these new laws? Here's your answer: Lobbyists.

    We just sit there an let it happen. The lobbyists are paid to sweet-talk out lawmakers. Tell them it's 'A good idea for the people', 'it's the right thing to do' or that 'this will protect the good people; the god-fearing, law abiding, tax-paying citizens, from the scum of the earth - the good ones are the people you're working for sir.'

    These lawmakers listen to them - the lobbyists - BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES SPEAKING!!!

    People - if there's a law out there you don't like - do something people have been doing for hundreds of years. Do something very simple. Tell that person that makes the laws that you don't like what they are doing. Be honest with your lawmaker (in writing - handwritten) and tell them what you think. Just express your opinion. Takes 10 minutes (or longer - if you'd like). Get out a piece of paper and a pen. Blank page - but don't be scared. You can do this - even if you never have before.

    This is what our government is really about, remember? They are called "Representatives." Remember that word? You learned it in 4th grade - when Mrs. Crabapple told you about the various branches of government, and the checks and balances, and the lifecycle of something called a "bill." Ok think back to that. These people are representatives - that we elect - to us in the house of government. They represennt us - but they need to know how we feel!

    Forget the government you know of today. The one where things just happen and it feels like you have no control. These people are supposed to be representing you..... No - not the YOUr city, or the YOUr county, or YOUr voting district.... You as in YOU [insert your name here] - an individual. A person with thoughts and feelings, with bills to pay, with kids to take to soccer practice, with laws to abide by. You are the ones that matter. You are the ones that pay the bills - pay their salary! They better listen to you.

    >Now is not the time to get complacent. That will doom us more than anything else. Keep sending those letters, making those phone calls, and talking with friends and colleagues. If we can get their attention by doing what we've done so far, we can do much more if we take this to the next level.[SomeoneYouDontKnow:#3319793]

    Who makes these laws?

    Lobbyists make these laws and they think they are protecting you. Often they are. But more than often - they have NO IDEA ABOUT THE LAWS THEY ARE INTRODUCING. And who's the expert? - you. You're obviously concerned about it? Right?............. Well then.....<nudgeNudge> go ahead. Tell him. (or her) Do it in writing and encourage others to do the same!

    Ok - now. Remember that paper and pen you got out? Right. Now set them down in front of you - ok... Now write on the paper - in nice, neat letters: "Dear <insert your representative's name here>,"

    Good start. Now - tell him (or her - please rinse/repeat ther "her" thing throughout) which bill he has recently introduced that you will be refering to, why, or what parts of his decision you may support, OR would support his decision IF <insert modified clause here>, then tell him the things you don't like about it. Continue with how such a bill, if introduced, would change the way you live, would limit your freedoms, or would cause you undue stress or unfair setbacks. Plead with them to reconsider the bill in it's current state and to either drop it alltogether or modify certain clauses to cause you less distress or potential problems. What we all need to do is share our views with our representatives when we hear about a bill we don't want passed. I have alway thought that I wouldn't have much of an impact on my government decision-makers because I am only one person - one voice - on letter of angst. But obviously, as we've seen tonight, the common man can make a difference - IF HE SPEAKS LOUDLY ENOUGH. Raise a hussy. Tell them you don't like it! Be honest - it's your governement too!

    Heck - even if they end up passing the law - too much big money pressure - you can at least make them feel guilty about it. I know - the torture we put these guys through :) Just remember - they are supposed to be working for us - not JUST big money. Remind them of that. Give them your sob story. --AND DO IT IN HANDWRITING--

    Yes --DO IT IN HANDWRITING--

    Tell them you don't like their law. Tell them you know lots of other people in your comunity, or at work, or at PTA meetings, that feel the same way (if such a thing is true). Just be honest and put down what you'd like to say to them. Dont' be rude. Be civil and professional and express yourself in writing your feelings about their bill. (or about someone elses bill they will be voting on).

    If you've got somthing to say - fscking say it. Express your disapproval. Write your representatives. 10 minutes and a stamp. Take a night off of watching one TV show. (It's empowering to do something useful - for you and your country/county/state/whatever instead of watching advertisements and listening to laugh tracks).

    If you think that just one person can't have a big impact, try going to bed with a mosquito.

  45. Re:You poor sap by maxpublic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is that voting, even if presented with a decent candidate (which I haven't had in years), rarely changes anything. Why? Because the underlying bureaucracy is fundamentally invested in making sure that things work just the way they do right now, leaving the real power in the hands of unelected officials.

    I'm not speaking as a typical slashdot ranter here (I do that elsewhere), but one who (unfortunately) has worked for government at various levels in the past. The administration - meaning the bureaucracy the politicians are supposed to direct and control - is actually in charge of the system. They can, and often do, ignore the directives of elected officials, convincing said officials that they actually are doing as they're told to the best of their ability. At every level of government I worked in upper, non-elected management had nothing but contempt for elected officials and openly plotted (yes, I use the word 'plotted') ways to get around directives or ignore them altogether. And, since 99% of the information available to politicians *comes from these very same departments* they were able to present a convincing case that 'thing x' couldn't be done, or could be done only by 'process y', while at the same time deriding public opposition as being from cranks for folks who 'just didn't understand the realities of the situation'. Elected officials, who generally aren't the brightest bulbs by any standards, are just as easily snowed by 500-page reports full of tables and statistics as anyone else is, no matter how bogus the numbers might be.

    This situation is exacerbated by the fact that these bureaucracies - at all levels, check your city code if you think otherwise - have the unconstitutional power to pass laws without the permission of elected officials (they're called 'administrative rules', but they have the same force as any law) and to raise taxes as well (these are called 'administrative fees'). The ability to legislate and tax at the whim of unelected bureaucrats without having to answer to whatever legislature is in charge at that level of government allows the system to do as it pleases while paying lip-service to the politicians.

    So what do these management-types occupy themselves with? Primarily in contesting with other management-types to increase their own power while diminishing that of rivals. This is done mostly through trying to get the biggest cut of the budget pie and through employing as many people in that division as possible. It's a rather 20th century version of feudal dukedoms hashing it out for the most 'territory' and 'serfs'. There is no 'ultimate end' to this contest; only the contest itself, and the self-worth it generates for these management folks if they score a 'win' at the expense of someone else's 'loss', counts.

    You'd think that the whole damn system was run by a bunch of overgrown frat boys.

    This also explains why government is so bloody wasteful (apart from people taking every opportunity to pad their own pockets, or those of relatives and friends). Enormous resources are thrown towards improving one's place in the contest, without regard as to whether or not it's a wise use of tax dollars. Not that this presents a moral problem; the 'fuck the taxpayer' attitude is also common in management, especially when the taxpayer dares to question the decisions of said management.

    The end result is that you not only have elections where the race boils down to 'six of one, half a dozen of the other' corporate sluts, but a bureaucracy which will do anything in it's power to emasculate a candidate who actually seems interested in serving the common citizen and isn't snowed by internal reports. So even when an election doesn't present you with two versions of the same corporate whore, the system is sure to sabotage the honest guy you vote into office.

    At all levels, the system is fundamentally broken. What to do about it is something I haven't settled on, but I do know that just voting in a decent candidate here or there won't make a damn bit of difference. If you have a decent candidate, that is.

    Max

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  46. Not one in support? Bullshit! by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Funny
    "We haven't received one e-mail in support of the Hollings bill," said Judiciary Committee spokeswoman Mimi Devlin.
    Bullshit!
    Here is what I sent them:

    Gentlemen,

    I am a computer professionnal, being active in the field of software development and IT administration since 1979. Although I am not an American citizen, I would like to comment on the CBDPTA being studied by your committee.

    This innovative bill, by crippling the ability of the U.S. computer industry to freely introduce innovative technology, will tremenduously favourize the (rest of the) world computer industry. Imposing limits on computer systems that would be illegal in many countries is a sure way to insure that the rest of the world computer industry will finally catch-up and leave in the dust the U.S. computer industry.

    The other 95% of the world will be eternally grateful to the (comparatively) minuscule Hollywood movie industry for having the much bigger U.S. computer industry ground to a halt by having to spend a significant portion of their ressources just to comply with the CBDPTA.

    Most other industries (those who use computers) will also benefit, as their U.S. counterparts will be hindered by less performing computers that are hobbled both in cost and performance by their expensive content monitoring "features", thus making them less efficient than their unencumbered foreign counterparts.

    Another foreign industry that shall benefit will undoubtely the illegal drug industry, as it will be easier to ship illegal drugs to the United States as the U.S. Customs service will undoubtely be very busy searching for illegal computer contraband.

    Please do consider the passage of this Act, as the world's computer industry needs a reprieve from the very innovative U.S. computer industry.

    Thank-you.

  47. Re:Microsoft produce a secure DRM OS? Yeah right. by Znork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It probably wont be airtight. It would likely include automatic patching tho, so... well, if you disable the DRM system, again, the BIOS wont boot the OS. You might be able to bypass it through bugs, but the next time you connect to the internet you'll be patched, so such a hole will be temporary. And, again, if you try to disable the autopatching, your OS will stop booting.

    It will probably never be completely airtight, but it will get painful enough that almost nobody will hack it. Digital satellite recievers and the newer game consoles are a precursor to what you are going to see, and while it's still possible to modify those, fewer and fewer people are even trying to for every generation. Once you get to the point where you have to make shady deals with a friend-of-a-friend and buy your own $1000 soldering equipment to replace the chips that form the foundation of the DRM tech, most people give up.

    Nobody but the RIAA/MPAA wants systems like this. It will easily hike the price of a PC by several hundred dollars, if not more, and turn it into a glorified digital decoding device for media playing rather than what it is today. Which is why they try to push it legally, because neither the consumers or the IT industry wants it.