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Fruit Flies Making Inroads on Autonomous Computing

Jucius Maximus writes "The configuration of base stations in cell phone networks has always been problematic because you can never predict how many phones will connect to which base station. And sometimes adjacent antennas will use the same frequency leading to dropped calls. Such configuration challenges may have solutions in autonomous computing. An article on C|NET describes how British Telecom is examining the development of fruit flies, hoping that nature has already found the solution to this problem. This technology could also be applied to 'threat-sensing' on computer networks."

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  1. well the fruit flies have already... by 56ker · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    come up with the noise the phone makes when it rings. :)

  2. FruitFlies by NickisGod.com · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dead Fruit == Beowoulf cluster

    *Ducks

  3. Offtopic (sorta) Humor by dbarron · · Score: 3, Funny

    The solution is to just train fruit flies (instead of carrier pigeon) to carry the messages. Forget the radiation causing cell phones and switches, use Drosophila, nature has the solution.
    Only things is...your message recepient must be in the same room with you...and have a banana in his pocket.

    1. Re:Offtopic (sorta) Humor by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 2, Funny

      train fruit flies (instead of carrier pigeon) to carry the messages

      I don't know of an RFC on ICMP packets via fruit flies. Perhaps one needs to be written.

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  4. huh? by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 4, Funny

    'British Telecom is examining the development of fruit flies, hoping that nature has already found the solution to this problem.'

    AT&T has also joined the fray, though it has chosen the hippopotamus as it's bringer of change, and Verizon is leaning toward the studying Brazilians due to their high amounts of energy.

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    1. Re:huh? by carm$y$ · · Score: 2

      You're right to be sarcastic: I'd rather skip the fly-brained tests and jump directly to the hare-brained ones.

      Not to say the whole article can be summarised as "decentralisation and more autonomy, combined with local feed-back". Why do they have to resort to flies?
      Oh wait, isn't this the same company that realized a week ago something that was generally known for years?

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  5. Autonomous Systems by hs81 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is another interresting idea on making systems that can self-adapt and grow/repair without intervention from engineers.
    This is fine but if we take the 'nature' analogy that this science is following what happens when disease or illness strikes? For example a computer virus or trojan.
    We will be dependent on crucial systems that, at some stage in the future, we will not understand how they work or how to repair them quickly.
    This maybe acceptable for cell phone networks but what would happen if this was an air traffic control system?
    I'm all for following the route in the Cnet article but we need to ensure that we build in processes to control and understand the changes that the system is implementing.

  6. threat sensing... by buzban · · Score: 2, Funny

    if this is threat-sensing technology, then i want an Africanized Bee-owulf...oh, forget it...

  7. Captain Obvious! by PhoenxHwk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This article should really win the Captain Obvious award. I mean, really, it's not too hard to come up with the idea of "tell your neighbors which frequencies you're using". I could have saved them a bunch of money if they had asked me instead of some dumb flies! Yeesh.

  8. *scratches head* by Akardam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This... would seem somewhat obvions to anyone who's had to deal with overlapping systems sharing a rather small resource, I'd think. As soon as I read the description of the problem, my first reaction was, "build an auto-negotiating, ad-hoc type system that'd figure it out for itself". As an example, don't networks of SMB clients (with no servers present) already hold "elections" to see who should be the Browse Master?

    On the other hand, the article wasn't to clear on whether BT was using the general idea from the fruit fly, or was using some algorythm derived directly from those cells.

    Let's just hope they don't try and patent it.

  9. For the curious, this is how the fly works by DrJay · · Score: 4, Informative

    They were a bit vague on what goes on in the fly, so here's a short synopsis:

    The entire back of the fly has the potential to become either a sensory organ or cuticle (the fly's skin). Things get narrowed down by the expression of some sensory-promoting proteins in clusters of cells at specific locations. The process they're intrigued by is how a single cell within this cluster becomes sensory.

    All of these cells begin expressing a signal and a receptor for that signal. When the signal is received, a cell will turn down the expression of both the signal and the sensory promoting genes. Cells that aren't receiving the signal will turn down the expression of the receptor and turn up the expression of the signal. Thus, when a cell isn't seeing a lot of signal, it both reduces its ability to see any more, and increases its signaling to surrounding cells.

    In the end, it all becomes a balancing act between signaling and seeing signaling from neighboring cells. The thought is that the initiation of the process is somewhat stochastic - some cells may turn on the signal earlier than others or start of expressing it at a higher level. The result of the signaling reinforcing itself is that this initial small advantage is greatly amplified, and becomes an all-or-nothing decision.

    I hope that is more coherent than i think it is...

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  10. BT seems to have a thing about insects by flossie · · Score: 3, Funny
    Remember how BT used smart ants to solve the travelling salesman problem?

    There seems to be a trend here.

  11. It has to be said... by distributed.karma · · Score: 2, Funny
    Fruit flies like a banana.
    Time flies like an arrow.

    Since frequency is the inverse of time, the solution is obviously with fruit flies!

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  12. Fly with Implanted Web Server by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Sadly, this (the fly wed server) is no longer online, but the photos are interesting:

    http://www.conceptlab.com/fly/

    And yes, there is a video (2.2meg QT) and extended wiring diagrams

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    1. Re: Fly with Implanted Web Server by quantaman · · Score: 2

      Sadly, this (the fly wed server) is no longer online

      And if it was online that fly would have probably exploded within about 3 seconds of the story being posted!

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  13. How is this news? by jackb_guppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it because some egghead "thought up" a great idea that been around for a while? Or is it that mega company need some stupid press?

    Self adjusting / Self modifing routines have been around "forever". The Fuzzy logic used in some Japnesse clothes washer and air-condioning systems show the way.

    The techinology for the computerized camera positioning of Star Wars 4 (was 1)- The New Hope, had self correcting routines built in.

    So some telecom just thought this up!

    Some news.

  14. Natures Contribution? by todhsals · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is nothing new about modeling cellular automata in CS but the natural world could have a lot to contribute in this area. Finding the set of rules that produce a particular equilibrium system can be as much art as it is science. Instead we could look to nature for a pattern that represents our desired outcome. Then look at the rules in the natural system to see how the equilibrium is reached.

    The system would still be fully predictable because the rules can be modeled. If you want to know what will happen if you take a base station off-line just get status info from all the stations, load your model & see how it changes. Need to fix a problem, same solution.

    Perhaps river channel migration can be applied to the problem of network bottlenecks.
    Very cool stuff

  15. Only if the engineer is an idiot by Icepick_ · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm a RF engineer with a major US wireless provider. I do this on a day to day business.

    The configuration of base stations in cell phone networks has always been problematic because you can never predict how many phones will connect to which base station.

    True. However, it doesn't much matter most of the time. We monitor the usage of our sites, and expand those that require it. We also preemtivly expand those that are predicted to require it, and those that we know are going to cover major events, IE concerts, conventions, etc.

    And sometimes adjacent antennas will use the same frequency leading to dropped calls.

    If this is happening, your RF engineer is an idiot. The process of planning what sites use what frequencies is somewhat intensive, but putting the same frequency on two addjacent sites is a complete fsck up. More typical is a site overshooting and interfering with another one several miles away.

    But with dozens of base stations, each broadcasting with six of the 29 available frequencies

    I know that BT has alot more capacity problems than most places here in the US. However, my company uses 3 frequencies per site, from a list of 24. Each site also freqency hops on a list of 18 more freqencies. Hopping really makes all this possible.

  16. that's nice. by ziggles · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's great, but what they really need to do is to find a way to keep the fruit flies away from my monitor!

  17. But, I thought... by zaren · · Score: 3, Funny

    the whole point was to REMOVE bugs from the system...

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  18. Look at elevators? by Openadvocate · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So this is like elevators using Fuzzy logic?. If you everyday work is in a building where the elevators uses Fuzzy Logic, you really notices when you move to a building where they don't. I would have thought that with the rate mobile masts are getting installed everywhere a technology that the article mentions, would already had be created? Now I have no knowledge about how these networks are controlled, but if there is no automated adjustments I can understand why there are so many "dead spots".

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  19. As long as they are careful with the algorithms. by cswiii · · Score: 2

    We all know that fruit flies multiply at an alarming rate. Now consider, in turn, that time flies like an arrow -- if said experiments go awry, it could be discovered that fruit flies like a BANANANANANANANA...

  20. Re:let competitors prioritize requests by man_ls · · Score: 2

    I actually think this is a good idea.

    Except-make it server-side QoS instead of client-side, or maybe locked in the phone's firmware not easily accessible.

    You pay for your QoS on top of the minutes. An "emergency" phone could have say 2K minutes but its calls would be dropped on overloaded circuits, so it would cost less. A standard phone wouldn't do anything other than what they do now-too many circuits? Too bad. Already on and the cell fills up? You stay on it. A high-priority plan could cost maybe $50/month more, and would kill off a low-priority phone when needed. This is like the business exec type plan.

    Course people don't like the idea of paying for more importance, but it's sound in business models.

  21. Prior art by The+Milky+Bar+Kid · · Score: 2

    Let's just hope they don't try and patent it.

    Look at Craig Reynolds' work at www.red3d.com. He developed a similar distributed system for use in computer animation in 1987. Very good for modelling groups of animals such as flocks or herds.

    The general concept at use here - complex, adaptive behaviour resulting from local interactions between agents - is referred to as emergence, and has been a subject of research since the animation work of Reynolds' and the robotic work of Rodney Brooks (from about 1986 on).

    It is good to see big corps showing an interest in it though.

    And yeah, it seems pretty obvious to me too. But some people are married to the top-down, centralized approach I guess...

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    1. Re:Prior art by BlueUnderwear · · Score: 2
      Let's just hope they don't try and patent it.

      But there is plenty of prior art, and they even adminit it: the fruit fly...

      And yeah, it seems pretty obvious to me too. But some people are married to the top-down, centralized approach I guess...

      The naysayers may actually be right... Indeed, stability of such an adaptive system could be an issue. What happens if conditions are such that suddenly the systems decides to oscillate between two meta-stable states, dropping calls at each flip? Could mischievous network users actually deliberately cause such a situation to happen (by gathering enough friens with mobile phones, and driving around the country in certain well-crafted pattern -- remember one of the variables of the system is phones per cell)? Weren't there some problems with similarly adaptive systems in the early ninetys on landline switches in the US, where one switch after the other keeled over like dominos, all triggered by a trivial malfunction on just one switch?

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    2. Re:Prior art by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2

      And yeah, it seems pretty obvious to me too. But some people are married to the top-down, centralized approach I guess...

      Sometimes the reason for top-down, centralized management is regulatory - in the US, the FCC probably requires each cell sites' frequencies to be declared on a license. It'd be kinda hard to allow dynamic configuration when the regulatory body requires fixed freqs/cell. Just my $0.02.

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  22. Re:let competitors prioritize requests by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2

    ...I don't see much need for the prioritizing anyways.

    This issue came up after the Sept 11th WTC and Pentagon attacks. They issued phones to police/fire/rescue that had some sort of priority over normal cell phones. They also claimed that is wouldn't cause normal peoples' phones to drop calls or get fast busy signals (How's that???)

    As for allowing the user to choose the priority of their outbound call, how about having a $1.00/call surcharge for each high priority call made? That'd keep people from leaving the phone of 'high'.

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